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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 23, 2020 10:40:59 GMT
I call this approach "make everyone as miserable as possible while flipping all Orlais off as a bonus" Not the most stable approach, but let's be honest, none of provided options is truly stable. I went with this approach initially partly because I thought they deserved one another and partly because it had been so much effort getting all the halla needed to open the requisite doors to achieve it. (That one in the rafters was particularly annoying) However, next run I role played that my male Lavellan had heard about the massacre of Halamshiral before the ball and so as far as he was concerned Celene had the blood of 10,000 elves on her hands, (there were meant to be that many in the Val Royeaux alienage according to the codex in DAO and Halamshiral's population was meant to be the largest concentration of elves in Orlais), including innocent children because Celene was indiscriminate in her burning of the elven rebels. So he adopted the Vir Banal'ras in her case and since he'd also heard that Gaspard had forced her hand, it seemed poetic justice for him to be placed under the thumb of an elf. Of course, it wouldn't last once the Inquisition was no longer around to back Briala up but perhaps Gaspard would have the good sense not to spark another elven uprising by killing her off, particularly if he was informed that it would play into the Dread Wolf's hands to do so. I must admit, when it comes to talking with Hawke, it does seem as though they partially restored the plot that should have been with regard to the Exalted March DLC. Hawke talks of Templars already taking red lyrium in Kirkwall. That was news to me since I thought Meredith was the only one afflicted. Hawke also says about going into hiding because the Divine was threatening an exalted march on the city and whilst it was mentioned in DA2 by Leliana, there seemed no other reference to it later. Plus Hawke also says that the threat was averted by all the Circles rising up against the Chantry but that didn't happen for another 2 years, so if the Divine had wanted to march on Kirkwal immediately after the events involving Hawke why didn't she? It does seem like they were fudging things concerning Hawke (and Anders if still alive) because the sequence of events just doesn't make sense without the abandoned DLC.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Dec 24, 2020 0:01:37 GMT
1) ... and now I see another reason why they came up with the Elf-bloodedness concept. Can't have Fiona's genes influence that. At least not on the mental level, as Alistair apparently got the skin tone from her, if nothing else. 2) Well, Briala can't have anything directly. Wrong ears. My Lavellan took her as a chance. Adaar was mostly concerned with beating the whole court at their own game and bully them into submission. She was a tad bit more power-focused than Lavellan, I guess. The latter mostly viewed it as a tool. 3) Yeah, that reminds me of that epilogue slide saying he sneaks out and mingles with tavern patrons. Also, his comment about pulling obfuscating stupidity if the Wardens come asking why there's a dead archdemon, but no dead Warden. 1) I still think it's mostly 'we don't want to make another race' then anything else concerning elf-blooded people. Also, most elf-blooded characters we've seen so far have been blond...aside from Slim Couldry...which I find somewhat amusing as well 2) My first Quizzy also did the three-way truce, my second and third did Celene+Briala, and my third and canon one as I said did the three-way truce as well. What can I say, aside from a few characters I don't particularly like Orlais 3) heh, I love how snarky he can be. Especially during the Landsmeet if he isn't hardened yet Alistair: *complaining to himself* stop whining Alistair Warden: I agree with Alistair Alistair: about the whining? Oh, I agree Also, I agree about that comment, I love it if he's the one who did the ritual Alistair: what should I tell them? (the Wardens) Warden: tell them the truth Alistair: That a maleficar saved you and then ran off to have my demon baby? That has a certain ring to it, right?
No, I suppose I'll just keep that one to myself. I can shrug and look stupid, it's a talent 1) Well, they could still have made the elven part have some influence on the children. I ranted about this before, and I'll do it again: They could just have made it so that mixed elf-human offspring is either fully elven or fully human, as opposed to human-only.
Alistair's hair is more like light-brown. But yeah, no raven-black one yet, either. 3) Yep... that's what I was referring to. Now I would want to see Merrill and Alistair trying to troll each other. That said, I take the 'work together or die' approach when concerned about Orlais...aka. I take the three way truce, let them work together if they want the throne so much. And if they should kill each other during this...no sweat of my back. I call this approach "make everyone as miserable as possible while flipping all Orlais off as a bonus" Not the most stable approach, but let's be honest, none of provided options is truly stable. The Lavellan I mentioned above? Did not give a single fig about Orlais' "long-term stability". In sense of that approach, it is more "keep the noble brats content anyway". Besides, was anyone else amused by all the "scandalous secrets" lying around in the open? They really should know better, shouldn't they? My guess: at the second stage of the ball, most of them are too drunk to pay attention. I went with this approach initially partly because I thought they deserved one another and partly because it had been so much effort getting all the halla needed to open the requisite doors to achieve it. (That one in the rafters was particularly annoying)Wouldn't have gone for that one without a guide. It is right up there with the Shards, especially the one in Lady Shanya's Valley.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 22:26:06 GMT
I love the fact that Hawke is by the fire with his mabari whilst Anders is under the tree with his cat. I wonder if the cat is allowed to share the bed. I know mine always have.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 14, 2021 11:46:14 GMT
I love the fact that Hawke is by the fire with his mabari whilst Anders is under the tree with his cat. I wonder if the cat is allowed to share the bed. I know mine always have. Mine(s) too. And I think, my Hawke would allow the cat to share the bed. (He allows the mabari as well.)
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 9, 2021 21:20:19 GMT
Does anyone here know if Anders has a problem romancing a blood mage Hawke? He seems to greatly disapprove of Merrill's use of blood magic but I can't remember if he and Hawke ever have a discussion about it.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 9, 2021 21:34:51 GMT
Does anyone here know if Anders has a problem romancing a blood mage Hawke? He seems to greatly disapprove of Merrill's use of blood magic but I can't remember if he and Hawke ever have a discussion about it. Well...unlike Inquisition, specializations in DA2 aren't addressed...so Anders (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't make any comments on it.
Sometimes certain quests do give small nods toward specializations, for example during Act1's Enemies Among Us, a Templar specialized Hawke can break Idunna's compulsion just like a mage Hawke (or mage companion) can. Another example is in Merrill's Act2 quest, if Hawke is a mage, Merrill will ask their help to safe Pol (she also does this if Anders should be in the party).
But no, Anders doesn't have a problem with a blood mage Hawke...the only way he does have a problem with Hawke, is if they support the Templars
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2021 15:00:24 GMT
Does anyone here know if Anders has a problem romancing a blood mage Hawke? He seems to greatly disapprove of Merrill's use of blood magic but I can't remember if he and Hawke ever have a discussion about it. Does anyone here know if Anders has a problem romancing a blood mage Hawke? He seems to greatly disapprove of Merrill's use of blood magic but I can't remember if he and Hawke ever have a discussion about it. Well...unlike Inquisition, specializations in DA2 aren't addressed...so Anders (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't make any comments on it. Sometimes certain quests do give small nods toward specializations, for example during Act1's Enemies Among Us, a Templar specialized Hawke can break Idunna's compulsion just like a mage Hawke (or mage companion) can. Another example is in Merrill's Act2 quest, if Hawke is a mage, Merrill will ask their help to safe Pol (she also does this if Anders should be in the party).
But no, Anders doesn't have a problem with a blood mage Hawke...the only way he does have a problem with Hawke, is if they support the Templars
I'm SURE it possible, but also that this would be a HARD relationship. Anders has a crush on Hawke, and able to fall for Hawke, even if Hawke supports the Templars – well... not just justice, but love is blind as well... But: The only reason to Anders to break up/not flirting anymore with Hawke, if Hawke accepts the Sloth Demon's offer and helps to them to possess Feynriel – or let Anders think, s/he helped. He's an Andrastian Circle Mage undoubtedly and more deeply than he ever thinks. I imagine passionate debates about it – and only that kind of blood mage Hawke, who never would be able to make such a deal. A Hawke, who uses the blood magic like some Wardens. My blood mage Hawke's goal was the freedom. He realized, he would lose him, if plays with demons, so: he stopped after he tried to trick the sloth, and realized, what he risked. He's overconfident (like many blood mages are), so: he would never not sure, he would not lose Feynriel in his game, but he wouldn't risk again to lose Anders for a stupid challenge... while the challenge was his life and fate. But this is just one conception.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 10, 2021 17:29:28 GMT
The only reason to Anders to break up/not flirting anymore with Hawke, if Hawke accepts the Sloth Demon's offer and helps to them to possess Feynriel – or let Anders think, s/he helped. He's an Andrastian Circle Mage undoubtedly and more deeply than he ever thinks. I imagine passionate debates about it – and only that kind of blood mage Hawke, who never would be able to make such a deal. A Hawke, who uses the blood magic like some Wardens. Yeah, that too...I'd forgotten about that part
Actually, I tend to just do Feynriel's DA2 quest together with Anders/Justice these days, my Hawke's don't do deals with demons...and that way I can do three things 1) safe Feynriel 2) get brownie points with Anders in case I haven't locked in his friendship yet (which I usually already have by the end of Act1) and 3) no one gets tempted by demons so no rivalry or weirdness from the other companions either
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2021 17:39:52 GMT
The only reason to Anders to break up/not flirting anymore with Hawke, if Hawke accepts the Sloth Demon's offer and helps to them to possess Feynriel – or let Anders think, s/he helped. He's an Andrastian Circle Mage undoubtedly and more deeply than he ever thinks. I imagine passionate debates about it – and only that kind of blood mage Hawke, who never would be able to make such a deal. A Hawke, who uses the blood magic like some Wardens. Yeah, that too...I'd forgotten about that part
Actually, I tend to just do Feynriel's DA2 quest together with Anders/Justice these days, my Hawke's don't do deals with demons...and that way I can do three things 1) safe Feynriel 2) get brownie points with Anders in case I haven't locked in his friendship yet (which I usually already have by the end of Act1) and 3) no one gets tempted by demons so no rivalry or weirdness from the other companions either Yes, easy to forget this. "Don't deal with demons" just basic set-up. Poor Ralph: he remained alone with his dog... (Aveline is hard as fuck with the desire.) With my warrior, my intention was different: I played him, like he was almost tricked by the sloth – like the others by the desire and pride... but before it was too late, he woke up, and freed Feynriel – so: Anders didn't break up with him.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Apr 10, 2021 17:52:54 GMT
Actually, I tend to just do Feynriel's DA2 quest together with Anders/Justice these days, Poor Ralph: he remained alone with his dog... That's the team for the scene. Justice AND dog. Oh, and I found Fenris to be the most obnoxious in terms of gameplay. He usually did one Scythe after being turned, and the rest of the party was gone. Unless you do manipulate their AI/tactis, that is. I've read that turning custom tactics off doesn't work (they jump to a default), but giving then an empty custom set just including a condition with "wait" should work.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2021 18:08:09 GMT
Actually, I tend to just do Feynriel's DA2 quest together with Anders/Justice these days, Poor Ralph: he remained alone with his dog... That's the team for the scene. Justice AND dog. Oh, and I found Fenris to be the most obnoxious in terms of gameplay. He usually did one Scythe after being turned, and the rest of the party was gone. Unless you do manipulate their AI/tactis, that is. I've read that turning custom tactics off doesn't work (they jump to a default), but giving then an empty custom set just including a condition with "wait" should work. Yes, Fenris is hard enough too – but when I had him here – Hawke was usually not alone.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 10, 2021 21:42:59 GMT
Yes, easy to forget this. "Don't deal with demons" just basic set-up. Poor Ralph: he remained alone with his dog... (Aveline is hard as fuck with the desire.) With my warrior, my intention was different: I played him, like he was almost tricked by the sloth – like the others by the desire and pride... but before it was too late, he woke up, and freed Feynriel – so: Anders didn't break up with him. That's the team for the scene. Justice AND dog. Oh, and I found Fenris to be the most obnoxious in terms of gameplay. He usually did one Scythe after being turned, and the rest of the party was gone. Unless you do manipulate their AI/tactis, that is. I've read that turning custom tactics off doesn't work (they jump to a default), but giving then an empty custom set just including a condition with "wait" should work. Actually, the funniest advice I tend to read when dealing with these types of situations (character betrayals) is to unequip their weapons and armor in the past my usual suspects for 'betrayal' were Isabela and Fenris (Fenris because I needed to score friendship points before I knew how to manipulate his dialogues) Another tip they tend to give is to pick two companions that are tempted by the same thing, for example if you have a party of Varric, Fenris and Merrill you only loose out on Merrill because she trumps the other two for the desire demon the same is true with a party of Isabela and Aveline, with only Isabela trumping Aveline but as I said above, these days I just do it alongside Anders/Justice
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 13, 2021 11:26:20 GMT
wanted to post this someone made a mod that deletes the line where Hawke implies Anders was a monster even if they supported and/or romanced him
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Post by Catilina on May 14, 2021 0:39:49 GMT
wanted to post this someone made a mod that deletes the line where Hawke implies Anders was a monster even if they supported and/or romanced him
Good to know this exists. Thank you!
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 14, 2021 9:03:27 GMT
wanted to post this someone made a mod that deletes the line where Hawke implies Anders was a monster even if they supported and/or romanced him
Good to know this exists. Thank you! You're quite welcome
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Post by janalilith on May 29, 2021 14:16:28 GMT
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This is so precious! I love that each of them have their pets. Anders looks so happy
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Post by janalilith on Jun 14, 2021 11:58:57 GMT
Sorry for the double post though, it's been about 2 weeks since I posted last lol, I thought it'd be ok.
I'm writing an Anders fic and I recenlty played through DA2, with Hawke romancing Anders. I LOVE him so much as a character. He's so flawed, and apparently that is my jam, but I think he's good at heart and means well, but his cause blinds him and Justice doesn't help. I've never played Hawke as a rival to Anders so I just feel that his feelings for Hawke are strong and genunine. I wonder what playing Hawke as a rival would be like but I can't bring myself to do it. All Anders and Hawke have to do is quip once at each other and I'm hooked.
Sorry for the rambling gushfest. I secretly in my heart of hearts wish they'd bring him back in 4 though I know as a character that can be killed in DA2 it is unlikely but haven't they done that before? Such a squandered plotline. I think there's so much more to his story that can be had.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 14, 2021 19:49:37 GMT
Sorry for the double post though, it's been about 2 weeks since I posted last lol, I thought it'd be ok.
I'm writing an Anders fic and I recenlty played through DA2, with Hawke romancing Anders. I LOVE him so much as a character. He's so flawed, and apparently that is my jam, but I think he's good at heart and means well, but his cause blinds him and Justice doesn't help. I've never played Hawke as a rival to Anders so I just feel that his feelings for Hawke are strong and genunine. I wonder what playing Hawke as a rival would be like but I can't bring myself to do it. All Anders and Hawke have to do is quip once at each other and I'm hooked.
Sorry for the rambling gushfest. I secretly in my heart of hearts wish they'd bring him back in 4 though I know as a character that can be killed in DA2 it is unlikely but haven't they done that before? Such a squandered plotline. I think there's so much more to his story that can be had. I never rivaled him either. His feelings for Hawke obviously strong and honest – but also, that his cause is stronger. He never denies. It's a very good romance. To be honest, while I would like to see him again – with reason, I just rather don't want them to bring him back. I'm afraid, I would be disappointed. He and my Hawke(s) are happy. End of the story. I insist to my rainbow and sunshine. And he got many shitstorm, more than the other characters. No problem with ramblings – not that rare in this topic! And welcome here!
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Post by bierkrug on Jun 17, 2021 9:13:52 GMT
To be honest, while I would like to see him again – with reason, I just rather don't want them to bring him back. I'm afraid, I would be disappointed. He and my Hawke(s) are happy. End of the story. I insist to my rainbow and sunshine I'd have a hard time seeing rainbows and sunshine in the future of these two. Which is why I'd like an update (a letter, codex entry, whatever) in DA4 whether they're trying to get rid of Justice and at least some implications where the story goes.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 17, 2021 10:40:35 GMT
To be honest, while I would like to see him again – with reason, I just rather don't want them to bring him back. I'm afraid, I would be disappointed. He and my Hawke(s) are happy. End of the story. I insist to my rainbow and sunshine I'd have a hard time seeing rainbows and sunshine in the future of these two. Which is why I'd like an update (a letter, codex entry, whatever) in DA4 whether they're trying to get rid of Justice and at least some implications where the story goes. There was a plan to bring him back, as a redeemed Warden. I don't know, how it would be able to handle his love-relationship with Hawke, and what happened to Justice in this wersion. It's obviously better, than Hepler's pet-idea (she's Anders/Justice's writer in DA2 – in Awakening, both was written by Gaider) about that during the game our protagonist meets with Justice – who NEVER merged with Anders: so who possessed him, was a random demon, Anders was fooled. This is like a z category horror film to me, and would just erase Anders and Justice's story – for what? Only to prove a point: look at this: how easily can fall a mage in a demon's trap. Even a trained, talented one! To throw a good story and two good character just to prove that nobody denied. Fortunately, this terrible idea was rejected. And there were a conception, he will appear somewhere at the deserts, in a cave during the DAI, surrounded by templars. At least in a concept art about a poor, old-looking half-armed hermit... Fortunately this also not happened. Seems, they don't want him bring back, and to be honest, I'm glad for it – considered what got in DAI. Anders' love isn't among the easy ones. Sure not after what he did – possible conflicts, nightmares. Possible tragedy... Still: in the Inquisition –while my Hawke didn't speak about him that way, as I would like, and as I imagined, he would do, it was clear, they're still together. He said, they were the part of the rebellion ("[…] But all the Circles were rising up by then. We helped a lot of them take that final step.") – And while some concern in Hawke's voice: "I'm never really happy leaving Anders alone, but once I realized Wardens were acting strangely, I had no choice. I've seen Corypheus affect Anders' mind before." – it's understandable and explainable in different ways – still seems: Anders/Justice didn't do anything – so: seems they're okay, despite the circumstances. And the circumstances (a war, persecution – stressed situations) are hard – especially for a possessed one. But Anders lives – and seems: didn't cause any problem. Looks like Justice's still spirit of justice... or again... Like Cole was able to change – Justice can as well. And seems still love each other. According to Gaider: Justice's presence can slow-down/slowly eliminate the Taint's effects in Anders (or he was Tainted as well: again two different possibility!). But sure, not that easy their symbiosis – perhaps they want the separation. And we know a way. So: it's already our imagination, what will happen. I see a "happy end" – while a hard one. Still possible. (Hawke is a perfect of hard situations.)
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Post by janalilith on Jun 18, 2021 12:44:00 GMT
I definitely don't want to see the tragic ending, like the cave pic we saw before Inquisition came out - that was so upsetting. I want him to find happiness with Hawke, clearly lol. I just feel like with such a pivotol character as he turned out to be, it would be great to get something else, just a bit more to complete that story, disregarding that he could be killed in DA2. With Justice there, it could be that you meant to kill him in DA2 but yet Anders somehow manages to live - and not like Justice had before taken over a dead body. There's so much potential there.
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