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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 5:54:16 GMT
I agree. I admit that in the first few seconds it seemed sudden but it makes a lot of sense. Never mind his horrible living conditions, Anders is asking a lot more than if they can live together. As usual, Anders is saying more than what he speaks. It's just that time-skip beforehand that kills some of the buildup for the relationship because we don't see it. "I spent that last 3 years laying awake every night aching for you." ...Oh my. Did Hawke not notice or what? And I just like the phrase "shacking up." If you pick the sarcastic answer to his love speech, "I'm hungry" (troll face) he actually asks to live with you and explains his whole reasoning for it. It's very much a "I'm sorry to ask this, but it's getting really dangerous at my place." Speech. If yo u just say I love you back, his next line is almost as if he'd said just that, but you didn't get to hear it. This take on it is hilarious.
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Some Anders fluff Link(Not quite fluff?) LinkDon't come across as much fHawke/Anders...
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Post by phoray on Aug 13, 2016 9:20:13 GMT
Some Anders fluff Link(Not quite fluff?) LinkDon't come across as much fHawke/Anders... I noticed this thread mostly had male Hawke Anders. Pondering going looking for more Female Hawke Anders stuff myself.
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Post by Sah291 on Aug 13, 2016 13:40:50 GMT
I noticed this thread mostly had male Hawke Anders. Pondering going looking for more Female Hawke Anders stuff myself. Some Anders & f Hawke
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Post by Catilina on Aug 13, 2016 14:22:47 GMT
Garrett again:
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Post by Sah291 on Aug 13, 2016 14:28:53 GMT
I do think the story is to skimpy so things seem too rushed or not thought out. The fictional reality of Ander's life is that he's living in that room where he treats patients. He's sleeping on one of those treatment tables or the ground. Templars know where he is and he's not safe. Getting to live with Hawke represents some security and safety in his life for the part his day that he is there. Anders has never had a place to be that he "belonged" since he did not want to be in the Circle and he didn't feel like he fit in with the Wardens. So I see Anders moving in with Hawke as less shacking up than more of a place to belong. I agree. I admit that in the first few seconds it seemed sudden but it makes a lot of sense. Never mind his horrible living conditions, Anders is asking a lot more than if they can live together. As usual, Anders is saying more than what he speaks. It's just that time-skip beforehand that kills some of the buildup for the relationship because we don't see it. "I spent that last 3 years laying awake every night aching for you." ...Oh my. Did Hawke not notice or what? And I just like the phrase "shacking up." My first thought was, damn Anders, we've been friends for 3 years and you've been living in a sewer. Why did it take this long to ask me for help with that?! phoray and @spirit vanguard, great posts and analysis. For me, I unfortunately didn't play DA2 until long after it had been released, and I was spoiled. I didn't know how or when it was going to happen, but I knew going in that Anders was going to do something to the Chantry, so I did not get to experience the same element of shock and surprise as a player. I wonder what my reaction would have been in that case. But what really did get to me most was not so much the blackmail or lying part, but what he actually says to a friendmanced Hawke. He says something along the lines of "We were wrong, what I did with Justice was unnatural, it should never have happened..." Really Anders? After all we've gone through, to say a thing like that? That sounds like something a Templar would say. I thought, perhaps he doesn't mean it, and was testing Hawke to see how he/she really feels about Justice. It's quite possible considering how confident he sounds about he and justice "being one" in the aftermath. But at the time, it feels like such a stab in back.
That said, because of all that... I found it more cathartic and satisfying to spare Anders in the end, despite his ridiculous logic, he has himself trapped by his own rigid principles (just as Isabela argues will happen), but that doesn't make him right about everything. Anders (or maybe it was Justice) really doesn't understand love the same way Hawke does, I don't think. When Hawke tell hims love is the most important thing, he appears to assume that means keeping their relationship and staying in Kirkwall at the mansion, etc. But to me, Hawke means it more in the way Leandra did-- that love is more important than money (and selfish concerns like that), and this was the reason Hawke was willing to give up everything to defend the innocent mages in the end. (Finally getting to this.) Yes! I felt the exact same way about that. I had been nothing but supportive the entire time and then he's like "nah, big mistake." I was even still reluctant to agree with him, but I, being ever supportive, agreed to help him anyway. I also hate that he uses "unnatural." It's such a... derisive, repulsive word to me. (There are also some... real life parallels that I don't really want to touch on.) I did wonder if he really thought that, even in some small way, or was just testing Hawke. Given his state I understand why he'd send out some mixed signals because he's not certain of himself either. There's also that line earlier in the game, after Alrik I think, when he can make a kind of throw-away admission of templars being right. There's the obvious manipulation of it, of course. If it sounds like Anders wants to do something that isn't what he's actually doing, then it's and effective lie. At least until Hawke can call him on it. When he said that there were more important things than their love, I argued against it thinking in more of larger scale. "Make love, not war" kind of thing... While he's seeing it as in the grand scheme of everything, their single love is insignificant. I get where he's coming from, but it's a strange thought when his fate will come down to Hawke. When the smaller people are involved in the "bigger picture" that argument doesn't seem to hold much weight? So, yeah. I agree on that too. I think Anders' history with love hasn't given him the brightest or most hopeful view on the subject or it's potential... Yes, to be fair, he is probably feeling very conflicted and guilty at that moment, as he is pretty much going against his own principles at this point. And he wants to know on some level, I think, whether Hawke gets that. He is upset when Hawke doesn't want to help, but almost seems even more defeated when Hawke does. Keeping in mind the whole lie is hinged on the premise that he and Justice should be separated, I think he concludes at that point Hawke really will kill him when it's over, and Hawke is maybe too eager to do it. But at the time, it just ticked me off. Like hell no, you are a terrible liar Anders, I can see right through it.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 13, 2016 15:29:02 GMT
phoray and @spirit vanguard, great posts and analysis. For me, I unfortunately didn't play DA2 until long after it had been released, and I was spoiled. I didn't know how or when it was going to happen, but I knew going in that Anders was going to do something to the Chantry, so I did not get to experience the same element of shock and surprise as a player. I wonder what my reaction would have been in that case. But what really did get to me most was not so much the blackmail or lying part, but what he actually says to a friendmanced Hawke. He says something along the lines of "We were wrong, what I did with Justice was unnatural, it should never have happened..." Really Anders? After all we've gone through, to say a thing like that? That sounds like something a Templar would say. I thought, perhaps he doesn't mean it, and was testing Hawke to see how he/she really feels about Justice. It's quite possible considering how confident he sounds about he and justice "being one" in the aftermath. But at the time, it feels like such a stab in back.
That said, because of all that... I found it more cathartic and satisfying to spare Anders in the end, despite his ridiculous logic, he has himself trapped by his own rigid principles (just as Isabela argues will happen), but that doesn't make him right about everything. Anders (or maybe it was Justice) really doesn't understand love the same way Hawke does, I don't think. When Hawke tell hims love is the most important thing, he appears to assume that means keeping their relationship and staying in Kirkwall at the mansion, etc. But to me, Hawke means it more in the way Leandra did-- that love is more important than money (and selfish concerns like that), and this was the reason Hawke was willing to give up everything to defend the innocent mages in the end. (Finally getting to this.) Yes! I felt the exact same way about that. I had been nothing but supportive the entire time and then he's like "nah, big mistake." I was even still reluctant to agree with him, but I, being ever supportive, agreed to help him anyway. I also hate that he uses "unnatural." It's such a... derisive, repulsive word to me. (There are also some... real life parallels that I don't really want to touch on.) I did wonder if he really thought that, even in some small way, or was just testing Hawke. Given his state I understand why he'd send out some mixed signals because he's not certain of himself either. There's also that line earlier in the game, after Alrik I think, when he can make a kind of throw-away admission of templars being right. There's the obvious manipulation of it, of course. If it sounds like Anders wants to do something that isn't what he's actually doing, then it's and effective lie. At least until Hawke can call him on it. When he said that there were more important things than their love, I argued against it thinking in more of larger scale. "Make love, not war" kind of thing... While he's seeing it as in the grand scheme of everything, their single love is insignificant. I get where he's coming from, but it's a strange thought when his fate will come down to Hawke. When the smaller people are involved in the "bigger picture" that argument doesn't seem to hold much weight? So, yeah. I agree on that too. I think Anders' history with love hasn't given him the brightest or most hopeful view on the subject or it's potential... Sadly, the "Make love, not war" only working good in a peaceful, happy world, where are "no templars to tear them apart"... (There are times when someone's is difficult to turn a blind eye, and just live happily) I can accept than Anders have a bigger goal. Somehow I do not even thought about this. I did not felt disappointment, I absolutely can understand him. He never concealed what it is for the primary for him. Okay, that lie was a bad thing, and can be especially hurtful if Hawke always, in everything support him. However somewhat understandable. Neither he nor Justice does not want to risk anything in their goal, but Anders risk his chance of love, for the war. On the other hand because he knows that what he is doing, how serious, does not want, that Hawke blame him/herself for what he did. This may sound hypocritical, because he asked Hawke's help, but somewhat this also understandable. A lame apology, but honest. My viewpoint.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 13, 2016 16:13:51 GMT
It's no problem, I think. nice stuff.
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Post by Beregond5 on Aug 13, 2016 16:20:10 GMT
It's no problem, I think. nice stuff. Okay then, cool.
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Post by phoray on Aug 13, 2016 17:38:39 GMT
anderfellating.tumblr.com/Literally called the Anders Porn Blog so obviously not safe for work. It's mostly male Hawke but there is some female hawke in there.
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Aug 13, 2016 19:17:56 GMT
Oh my They are great! Thank you for sharing with us!
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 13, 2016 20:43:30 GMT
I actually posted some cosplay from the same person back on BSN! Link
And femHawke is welcome here! I just don't see a lot of it unless I'm actually searching for it. I usually try to post both Hawkes with Anders at the same time, though.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 13, 2016 22:47:34 GMT
Made me think of: Linklol
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 13, 2016 23:15:37 GMT
Some more fan art from BSN
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Post by Beregond5 on Aug 14, 2016 7:48:25 GMT
Oh my They are great! Thank you for sharing with us! Aw, you're welcome.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 16, 2016 2:09:58 GMT
So Fexelea's importing is going over well with DAI and some others already done. It looks like the old Anders thread will be preserved. I plan to spend time on that site too (especially after the redesign, because the current version is a little much for me), but I still think we should come up with a fun title for this thread because science posterity Anders deserves such. Any suggestions? "...It's complicated." -- The Anders Appreciation Thread A Sanctum of Healing -- ^ "I'm special that way." -- ^ ...I don't know, just tossed some stuff out there. I keep thinking of his one-liners, but they're too long for a title. Also, some romance art.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 16, 2016 2:31:45 GMT
"Nobody's perfect." "…and… boom, Justice and I are free."
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 16, 2016 3:45:24 GMT
"Nobody's perfect." "…and… boom, Justice and I are free." Oh! I love "Nobody's perfect." It's not a direct Anders' quote, but I like it. ...Then again, my first suggestion isn't a direct quote either. I wonder if it should be restricted to an Anders' base quote so that it's more easily recognizable? Of course, it doesn't have to be a quote either does it. Renegade Mage, the Anders Thread Or the name of his staff: Freedom's Call: The Anders Appreciation Thread Hm...
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Post by Catilina on Aug 16, 2016 4:02:14 GMT
"Nobody's perfect." "…and… boom, Justice and I are free." Oh! I love "Nobody's perfect." It's not a direct Anders' quote, but I like it. ...Then again, my first suggestion isn't a direct quote either. I wonder if it should be restricted to an Anders' base quote so that it's more easily recognizable? Of course, it doesn't have to be a quote either does it. Renegade Mage, the Anders Thread Or the name of his staff: Freedom's Call: The Anders Appreciation Thread Hm... Need more easily recognisable, than: "…and… boom, Justice and I are free." ?
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 16, 2016 4:11:02 GMT
Oh! I love "Nobody's perfect." It's not a direct Anders' quote, but I like it. ...Then again, my first suggestion isn't a direct quote either. I wonder if it should be restricted to an Anders' base quote so that it's more easily recognizable? Of course, it doesn't have to be a quote either does it. Renegade Mage, the Anders Thread Or the name of his staff: Freedom's Call: The Anders Appreciation Thread Hm... Need more easily recognisable, than: "…and… boom, Justice and I are free." ? That's a little more... "negative" than I'd like? And a little long.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 16, 2016 4:26:42 GMT
Need more easily recognisable, than: "…and… boom, Justice and I are free." ? That's a little more... "negative" than I'd like? And a little long.
(I apologise, I work 20 hours ago, so, I start become brainless, mad zombie, I lost all my creativity I have ever owned.)
I like for example the „ complicated” stuff.
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