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Post by Catilina on Dec 23, 2018 0:45:48 GMT
Anders should be more open-minded. For example toward Merrill.
The problem's he's too Andrastian Circle Mage (I know is weird, but true), and has his own prejudices and limitation. But as Hawke said before his personal quest (if cares about him): he has no problem with Justice in the last three years. So: Anders/Justice able to learn to live together, just have to question more and more the Circle's dogmas. It could be hard: he spend almost two decades in the Circle, and his parents were Andrastians too: his father from Andersfels, one of the most faitful country in Thedas. His faith is shaken, but too hard to get rid of everything...
Don't forget FleMyth. We know: Mythal, the Protector is God of Justice – but the legends tell us: she acted as Vengeance as well. I suppose that's right. But still, I don't think what happened to Justice/Anders was "corruption". Just an extension of seeking Justice. Oh, and sorry... I almost forget: Welcome here, Lulupab ! (Good avatar, by the way!) Thanks! The idea of Inquisitor Anders is oddly appealing. Who better to fix Blondie's mess. Justice isn't an easy spirit, his purpose is hard in the mortal world. I also don't think, he twised. Damaged? Yes: nothing that easy here – and a spirit's view totally different. Just look Cole...
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Post by Catilina on Dec 23, 2018 0:48:06 GMT
I really liked what we got with the Avvar in Jaws of Hakkon, though. Made me rethink possession and abominations in the DA universe. I wonder what would happen if Anders spent some time among the Avvar? Someone did a short fic about Hawke and Anders going to the Avvar to help him be more at peace with Justice. I love that idea. They're probably done with the Avvar (sadly), but the Rivaini have a similar approach to talking to spirits and possession, given that it's close to Tevinter, I hope they include that in 4. The issue of abominations was largely dropped in DAI which was rather disappointing... I think Jaws of Hakkkon and some of the stuff Solas said were more like course correction. If Justice was really twisted then he (and Anders) would have transformed physically into a demon (at least when attacked). And Vengeance would not have allowed his host to be killed like that, he would have fought like Grandin's Rage demon. This is my argument too. Anders just waited for the verdict, and accepted that.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 23, 2018 0:54:35 GMT
I think Jaws of Hakkkon and some of the stuff Solas said were more like course correction. If Justice was really twisted then he (and Anders) would have transformed physically into a demon (at least when attacked). And Vengeance would not have allowed his host to be killed like that, he would have fought like Grandin's Rage demon. Oh damn. You are right. Its been a while since I played Jaws of Hakkon. So I think its safe to assume Justice went through what Cole was going through when he first came to the waking world. But maybe he was close to getting twisted as well, due to killing (or almost killing) an innocent mage. That was neither Justice nor Vengeance, but a complete lack of control. Justice enraged, and confused in the heat of the battle. Ella called him a demon. This is Justice's worst nightmare: to become a demon. Anders and Justice in the Awakening: - Anders: Why do spirits seek out mages? I've always wondered.
- Justice: You speak of demons. I am not a demon.
- Anders: Aren't demons simply spirits with unique and sparkling personalities?
- Justice: They have been perverted by their desires.
- Anders: But what do they want from mages?
- Justice: Perhaps they wish the same as I: silence.
- Anders: Are you saying that you could become a demon, Justice?
- Justice: I said no such thing.
- Anders: You said that demons were spirits perverted by their desires.
- Justice: I have no such desires.
- Anders: You must have some desires...
- Justice: I have none! Desist your questions!
Just think about it: the situation is still strange to both of them.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 23, 2018 1:34:06 GMT
I can't remember, this was here or not... (Poor Carver) source
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Post by Catilina on Dec 23, 2018 2:17:30 GMT
One more thing I love about Anders. He's not kneeling.
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Post by Rouccoco on Dec 23, 2018 14:56:42 GMT
Still my favourite BW pair
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Post by Catilina on Dec 23, 2018 15:26:37 GMT
Still my favourite BW pair These curves! That light! Perfect, I love that picture.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 23, 2018 23:29:42 GMT
The issue of abominations was largely dropped in DAI which was rather disappointing... I always thought it was because the Breach made hopping a ride inside people unnecessary for spirits to enter Thedas, but I don't know if the game ever states this specifically.
I was kind of hoping that something like this would be commented on in Inquisition somewhere, that a consequence of closing the Breach and rifts would mean placing mages back in the firing line once more. Or seeing similar situations like Karl's, where the Rifts causing the Fade to spill over into the real world might restore Tranquil to their former selves, leaving us with the moral dilemma of what the "right" thing to do would be.
The song used in this video is very fitting for Anders. Every lyric and every word is perfect. I've always thought this song was very fitting for Anders/Hawke.
(As Hawke's perspective on the Anders/Justice dichotomy and how that duality can negatively impact their relationship at times)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 24, 2018 22:36:13 GMT
why do I feel that this picture sums up the opinions people have about Anders?
(I'm with Hawke on this )
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Post by Catilina on Dec 24, 2018 23:04:59 GMT
why do I feel that this picture sums up the opinions people have about Anders? (I'm with Hawke on this ) Anders with Hawke too, just like Fenris. Depends on what we speak about. And Anders and Fenris able to agree... and these moments aren't always mean peace and happyness. But I can agree about that this is the sums of the opinions of people... Anders' controversial figure in DA. And he was right – of course!
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 24, 2018 23:21:34 GMT
why do I feel that this picture sums up the opinions people have about Anders? (I'm with Hawke on this ) Anders with Hawke too, just like Fenris. Depends on what we speak about. And Anders and Fenris able to agree... and these moments aren't always mean peace and happyness. But I can agree about that this is the sums of the opinions of people... Anders' controversial figure in DA. And he was right – of course! was actually talking about the Dragon Age Fanbase
some people say; Anders can do no wrong, he's a good person, such a sweetheart (Anders' sign)
others say; yeah but he did some things that can't be explained as good things, but on the other hands he also did various good things (Hawke's sign)
and then there are fans who go; omg! Anders is such a bastard, he needs to be killed on sight! I wish I could kill him again (you get the idea) (Fenris' sign)
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Post by Rouccoco on Dec 25, 2018 0:52:50 GMT
ANDERS WAS RIGHT, F THE CHANTRY As you were.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 25, 2018 2:08:53 GMT
ANDERS WAS RIGHT, F THE CHANTRY As you were. Do you believe in magic?
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Post by Lulupab on Dec 25, 2018 16:40:23 GMT
Actually, I'm rather glad they put conversations like this in the game. Really helped with role playing a rebel mage Hawke. In fact it became more than a role play, it was an actual path you could take in the game.
The said conversation is from 7:06 until 7:25.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 25, 2018 18:35:21 GMT
Actually, I'm rather glad they put conversations like this in the game. Really helped with role playing a rebel mage Hawke. In fact it became more than a role play, it was an actual path you could take in the game. The said conversation is from 7:06 until 7:25.
It was not that hard even with a warrior Hawke – whom sister was locked in the Circle. This is a reason to be a rebel with a warrior ( Reinhardt Hawke's background story)
"I swore, I will free Bethany, when they took her into the Circle, and I abide by my oath, no matter what it costs." Hawke family was always pursued, forced to hide, but in his childhood, Reinhardt didn't realize that – his father kept "his" problem far from him. He born as a "normal" child.
The first shock was that evening when he heard: "Leandra, you can't say, I didn't warn you, what burden you take... we will never have a home as others do. I'm sorry my love, I tried. And I'll protect you and our children, I swear." He never heard his father talk so seriously. Malcolm was usually jolly as if everything was easy. It happened when their neighbour's old shed burned – there played Bethany and Carver usually with some other kids. His mother cried, Bethany just fell asleep – Reinhardt didn't know, what actually happened, he was with his friends.
At dawn, they collected their stuff and moved away. They left many things there and he never saw his friends anymore. And he was angry and felt betrayed – but even felt, that his father had a serious reason to do it. He was confused.
Later he realized, that Bethany got the family's "legacy". He was a bit jealous mixed with the feeling of the relief: he's "normal". He swore to his father, he will protect Bethany.
But still not felt the real situation – how could he be so blind?!
After this happened with Bethany, and he realized his family's status, Reinhardt never was able to accept this but didn't blame anything and anyone, just that fucking world. He thought this is "natural", like the dogshit on the streets – they always lived with this, and because Malcolm was able to give them a good life, better than the others in the near neighbourhood (he never knew, what was the cost), he never thought about their real position so much – he was young and careless.
When Malcolm died, he slowly pulled his head out of his ass (as he worded, if told their story to anyone) – and realized Bethany's sadness and loneliness. He tried his best, to understand his sister, but he was not a mage. From a charming, nice guy, he slowly became sarcastic, angry. He less and less tolerated people who made even "innocent" jokes about the mages – and started to avoid people for protecting Bethany from the rudeness of the world.
On one hand, he more and more respected Malcolm, on another hand he felt bitterness and anger that he hid the problems until that was possible. And he was angry at himself, he didn't realize these before.
And in Kirkwall, he lost Bethany – but gained more anger and bitterness. "A fair deal, isn't dear Maker?"
Despite it, inside, he was not able to lose his faith in the people and kept his kindness to his friends, his new family, rarely shows his bitterness – just like his father. He's my only warrior Hawke – I created him for a new perspective, and to see, how different feeling is the romance with Anders. It was great. He's one of my fav Hawkes. True, there are many reason to RP in different ways... (I never tried Anders' rivalry, and never planned that – I just saw it, and found it terrible. Not mentioned: rival Hawke seems a dumb... who like never lived in Kirkwall – in Thedas. Those arguments are very stupid.)
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Post by Rascoth on Dec 27, 2018 11:14:28 GMT
So I think its safe to assume Justice went through what Cole was going through when he first came to the waking world. But maybe he was close to getting twisted as well, due to killing (or almost killing) an innocent mage. That was neither Justice nor Vengeance, but a complete lack of control. Imo the main difference is that Cole was from the beginning just Cole/Spirit of Compassion. Even when he crossed the Veil, even when he took appearance of Cole, he was still just... himself. Justice on the other hand - aside from being dragged here against his will - had to deal with Kristoff's emotions. Cole could learn at his own speed, while Justice had stuff thrown at him. If he had time, learnt at his own pace, I think Justice could easily learn how to embrace his less noble side and don't let it control him. (I'm with Hawke on this ) I'm with Hawke on this as well. I bet Hawke would answer about each companion this way... and then added in small voice "that's what I love about them"
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2019 14:25:31 GMT
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Post by dhalion on Jan 6, 2019 10:28:59 GMT
ANDERS WAS RIGHT, F THE CHANTRY As you were. Bless this thread 🙏
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2019 12:41:36 GMT
ANDERS WAS RIGHT, F THE CHANTRY As you were. Bless this thread 🙏 Welcome here!
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Post by Rascoth on Jan 6, 2019 13:29:28 GMT
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Post by Sokemis on Jan 18, 2019 0:39:15 GMT
for all you Anders lovers I found it and thought it perfect for this thread This is my favorite artwork of Anders (I was actually coming here to post this pic - glad I thought to check first )
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Post by Iddy on Feb 12, 2019 16:05:11 GMT
Is sex with Anders always a threesome?
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Post by Sokemis on Feb 12, 2019 21:42:23 GMT
Is sex with Anders always a threesome? or is Justice a voyeur?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 12, 2019 21:45:26 GMT
Is sex with Anders always a threesome? If it is, since Justice has no desire on such things, is sex with Anders raping Justice?
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Post by Catilina on Feb 12, 2019 23:54:41 GMT
Is sex with Anders always a threesome? If it is, since Justice has no desire on such things, is sex with Anders raping Justice? Do you know, what's Justice's desire, and how he feels? And if not, Justice doesn't want to prevent that? Or never was able to prevent anything? Never wanted to prevent anything? Never wanted to control Anders?
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