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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 11, 2019 19:20:16 GMT
Red herring. Simply pointed out complaints toward Anthem also apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word. Do they tho? Everything he said in that video ended up being in the final game, facial animations and envirionents look pretty much the same, lighting ended up being brighter and combat ended up being less stiff than what was shown in the video. And Mass Effect unlike Anthem was a complete, good game at day 1.
First, let's ignore the "complete, good game at day 1" red herring. - we really going to argue lighting? - map is different - less stiff combat or not, they lied (way you move squad, destructible background) - missing animation of someone sitting on someone's lap, the crunch between Shepards eyebrows wrinkle seems to be missing and other missing scenes - Caleston got reworked into Liara mission and never replaced. - missing renegade interrup
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 11, 2019 19:44:12 GMT
While still looking for this particular footage that better shows the early lighting, stumbled upon some early Mako footage and the full Flux footage;
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 11, 2019 20:18:04 GMT
The argument was the lie and not everything else you're trying to add for deflection. I get that you are a troll and you don’t engage arguments in good faith and just say things like deflection, obfuscation, straw man etc. but at least have a shred of logic while doing it. Is using a strawman logical?
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Post by tatann on Mar 11, 2019 21:31:31 GMT
The argument was the lie and not everything else you're trying to add for deflection. I get that you are a troll and you don’t engage arguments in good faith and just say things like deflection, obfuscation, straw man etc. but at least have a shred of logic while doing it. Just FYI, the forum has an ignore feature ;-) But I'll admit reading Terminator's posts can be fun from time to time, just not when he's stuck in a loop (CRC were implemented in the T-1000 series)
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 11, 2019 21:35:32 GMT
They'd still be advertising a game that doesn't exist, so no, I'm not down with that at all. Do a CGI trailer if you want to generate hype. That’s a no-win situation then, since CGI only trailers, particularly for established PC franchises, get dumped on for not being game engine rendered. There’s just no pleasing everyone, particular amongst the PCMR. Let’s see how CDPR does. They released a detailed gameplay trailer months in advance of their unspecified when it’s ready release date. What’s the chance PCMR will apply the same standards when the final product diverges from the trailer, as it is certain to do? “The game rocks, so let the false advertising slide,” is a pretty lame argument, if the point is moral outrage over false advertising.
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Post by tatann on Mar 11, 2019 21:42:50 GMT
They'd still be advertising a game that doesn't exist, so no, I'm not down with that at all. Do a CGI trailer if you want to generate hype. That’s a no-win situation then, since CGI only trailers, particularly for established PC franchises, get dumped on for not being game engine rendered. There’s just no pleasing everyone, particular amongst the PCMR. Let’s see how CDPR does. They released a detailed gameplay trailer months in advance of their unspecified when it’s ready release date. What’s the chance PCMR will apply the same standards when the final product diverges from the trailer, as it is certain to do? Some will, people happy with the content (story, gameplay, ...) won't I mean, even if Cyberpunk looks like Deus Ex Mankind Divided (but released in 2020), I'll love the game, as long as story/gameplay-wise it's close to the gameplay demo (I'm not sure "trailer" is the right term for a 45 minutes demo)
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Post by smilesja on Mar 11, 2019 21:43:19 GMT
They'd still be advertising a game that doesn't exist, so no, I'm not down with that at all. Do a CGI trailer if you want to generate hype. That’s a no-win situation then, since CGI only trailers, particularly for established PC franchises, get dumped on for not being game engine rendered. There’s just no pleasing everyone, particular amongst the PCMR. Let’s see how CDPR does. They released a detailed gameplay trailer months in advance of their unspecified when it’s ready release date. What’s the chance PCMR will apply the same standards when the final product diverges from the trailer, as it is certain to do? “The game rocks, so let the false advertising slide,” is a pretty lame argument, if the point is moral outrage over false advertising. “It’s okay when my favorite company does it!”
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Post by ahglock on Mar 11, 2019 21:58:20 GMT
I get that you are a troll and you don’t engage arguments in good faith and just say things like deflection, obfuscation, straw man etc. but at least have a shred of logic while doing it. Just FYI, the forum has an ignore feature ;-) But I'll admit reading Terminator's posts can be fun from time to time, just not when he's stuck in a loop (CRC were implemented in the T-1000 series) Yeah I so far only have one person on ignore. Fairly entertaining trolling isn’t at my limit of block. If it was I’d have a massive block list here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:16:42 GMT
They'd still be advertising a game that doesn't exist, so no, I'm not down with that at all. Do a CGI trailer if you want to generate hype. That’s a no-win situation then, since CGI only trailers, particularly for established PC franchises, get dumped on for not being game engine rendered. There’s just no pleasing everyone, particular amongst the PCMR. Let’s see how CDPR does. They released a detailed gameplay trailer months in advance of their unspecified when it’s ready release date. What’s the chance PCMR will apply the same standards when the final product diverges from the trailer, as it is certain to do? “The game rocks, so let the false advertising slide,” is a pretty lame argument, if the point is moral outrage over false advertising. It's not no-win situation. Nobody actually holds any consistent standards on anything. They are pulled out of sleeve, whenever people want to prove or rationalize some other preference they are partial to. Exceptions are and will be made, whenever the greater whole demands it. If the new Cyperpunk game is going to be good enough, nobody except maybe cranks and BW fanboys are going to put an Albatross to CDPR's neck, because of some old trailers. In fact, they'll probably be looked nostalgically, if the game proves to be a masterpiece or even an adequate SP RPG. Anthem is getting shit at, because it didn't live up to its hype, and is overall deemed to be pretty shitty or at best average (which is shitty, when there's very little if at all scarcity, and no limits on market competition, i.e. every product is competing against every other product simultaneously. Thus people tend to go for the best 20 %, which ever is deemed to be the best 20 % at any given time. It's no wonder that almost all media and entertainment market shares follow Pareto distribution). It's not some sub specie aeternitatis that a game cannot live up for its hype. It's merely that it is a lot less costly and easier to create hype rather than live up to it. It's all about all too human tendency for hyperbolic discounting, to trade possible short-term increased buzz and revenue gains to long-term reputation costs. Combined with universal human tendency for optimism, when evaluating themselves, their skills and anything they have invested any time in (it's a very consistent and constant observation in humans, that they are biased for optimism when it comes to estimating themselves, or something relating to themselves. So much so, that we actually consider an opposite of that a pathology called depression). Ofc, a hype alone can change people's perceptions of what is acceptable or good, but if passes some unknown and unknowable threshold of goodness, almost any sin what got them there will be forgiven and forgotten.
Edit: the whole bit about holding consistent standards is a lot more complicated, but basically it comes down to something like that, if you compare some singular standard, and try to apply it broadly. You'll almost always end up in situations, in which sometimes it seems to matter a lot, in some other times very little. It's an ice cold take as a gotcha, and Grug-brain level approach of understanding how human preferences are formed. Like who would've thought; monocausal explanations are false or inadequate in trying to understand humanity!
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Post by river82 on Mar 11, 2019 22:38:14 GMT
They'd still be advertising a game that doesn't exist, so no, I'm not down with that at all. Do a CGI trailer if you want to generate hype. That’s a no-win situation then, since CGI only trailers, particularly for established PC franchises, get dumped on for not being game engine rendered. There’s just no pleasing everyone, particular amongst the PCMR. Let’s see how CDPR does. They released a detailed gameplay trailer months in advance of their unspecified when it’s ready release date. What’s the chance PCMR will apply the same standards when the final product diverges from the trailer, as it is certain to do? “The game rocks, so let the false advertising slide,” is a pretty lame argument, if the point is moral outrage over false advertising. The journalist ONLY showing of the Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay trailer was likely a response to the backlash they received over the downgrade to Witcher 3. Because there's really no other reason to try and keep it from the public xD
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Post by bshep on Mar 11, 2019 23:07:34 GMT
They'd still be advertising a game that doesn't exist, so no, I'm not down with that at all. Do a CGI trailer if you want to generate hype. That’s a no-win situation then, since CGI only trailers, particularly for established PC franchises, get dumped on for not being game engine rendered. There’s just no pleasing everyone, particular amongst the PCMR. Let’s see how CDPR does. They released a detailed gameplay trailer months in advance of their unspecified when it’s ready release date. What’s the chance PCMR will apply the same standards when the final product diverges from the trailer, as it is certain to do? “The game rocks, so let the false advertising slide,” is a pretty lame argument, if the point is moral outrage over false advertising. That is most likely what will happen.
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Post by river82 on Mar 11, 2019 23:17:33 GMT
The backlash over the graphics for Anthem seems to be in proportion, or smaller, than with other games. In fact people are hardly talking about the downgrade, and most critical people I've heard praises the graphics. But when there's a backlash against the loading screens, the lack of content, the loot system, the empty Fort Tarsis, the lack of a stat screen, glitches and bugs, things have a way of seeming bigger than they are.
Likely compounded when criticism of static NPCs hanging around Fort Tarsis might get confused with criticisms of graphical downgrades, because this sort of criticism will use the E3 trailer to compare against (what happened to our bustling Fort Tarsis) which is the same footage people use when talking about graphical downgrades.
But at the end of the day if I wander over to the Reddit page I see a billion topics about loot and none about the graphics because the common consensus is that the graphics are great. There is no giant backlash against Bioware over the graphics atm.
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Post by river82 on Mar 11, 2019 23:20:59 GMT
Oh wait ... I guess criticisms about the lack of a bustling Fort Tarsis could be categorised as a graphical downgrade. I dunno ... I'm not great at the technical side of things
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 12, 2019 0:05:38 GMT
Like who would've thought; monocausal explanations are false or inadequate in trying to understand humanity! Stop it, you are doing BSN wrong! Far too much rational and thoughtful commentary. Everything must divide along simple good/evil lines, or it’s just a delusional conspiracy, like the NASA moon landing.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 12, 2019 0:23:44 GMT
Like who would've thought; monocausal explanations are false or inadequate in trying to understand humanity! Stop it, you are doing BSN wrong! Far too much rational and thoughtful commentary. Everything must divide along simple good/evil lines, or it’s just a delusional conspiracy, like the NASA moon landing. Eh it’s fine to criticize the game but if you’re going to use a trailer to prove graphical downgrade in order to thrash the game, then you’re scrapping at the bottom of the barrel and are holding double standards.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Mar 12, 2019 0:59:18 GMT
They'd still be advertising a game that doesn't exist, so no, I'm not down with that at all. Do a CGI trailer if you want to generate hype. That’s a no-win situation then, since CGI only trailers, particularly for established PC franchises, get dumped on for not being game engine rendered. There’s just no pleasing everyone, particular amongst the PCMR. Let’s see how CDPR does. They released a detailed gameplay trailer months in advance of their unspecified when it’s ready release date. What’s the chance PCMR will apply the same standards when the final product diverges from the trailer, as it is certain to do? “The game rocks, so let the false advertising slide,” is a pretty lame argument, if the point is moral outrage over false advertising. No one gave CDPR a pass on TW3 downgrade, least of all PC gamers. I guess we'll see what Cyberpunk looks like at this E3 but you're comparing a WIP gameplay segment, a fairly rough one at that, to a glorified preview of a game that the team clearly had no intention on delivering. At any rate, I'll continue to put more trust in AAA devs who don't pull shenanigans and you can pretend it's in the better interest of gamers if the industry is dishonest.
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Post by river82 on Mar 12, 2019 2:10:15 GMT
No one gave CDPR a pass on TW3 downgrade, least of all PC gamers. To put things in perspective, if I quickly search the CD Projekt Witcher 3 forums, I quickly come across a topic in 2017 about the downgrade. It's a poll asking "Would you like to see an option probably on pc or even consoles if they can manage it.to be able to download the E3 graphics before the downgrade and use them as a dlc like skyrim did with the free texture dlc." and the poll options are "Yes/No I would/wouldn't like to have my game look like how it did in E3".forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/e3-graphics-before-the-downgrade.7670120/It's like, 2 years after the game released people are still talking about it xD
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Post by tatann on Mar 12, 2019 6:33:08 GMT
No one gave CDPR a pass on TW3 downgrade, least of all PC gamers. To put things in perspective, if I quickly search the CD Projekt Witcher 3 forums, I quickly come across a topic in 2017 about the downgrade. It's a poll asking "Would you like to see an option probably on pc or even consoles if they can manage it.to be able to download the E3 graphics before the downgrade and use them as a dlc like skyrim did with the free texture dlc." and the poll options are "Yes/No I would/wouldn't like to have my game look like how it did in E3".forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/e3-graphics-before-the-downgrade.7670120/It's like, 2 years after the game released people are still talking about it xD On PC though, you can download the HD texture pack for free on NexusMod
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