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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 14:09:27 GMT
So what? You've basically just confirmed that you're not a fan and you're not about to come back to being a fan Uh, what? You see every option you don't personally agree with as them deliberately making choices to drive fans away I think choices have repercussions. Some choices have more severe repercussions than others. I think certain choices will not sit well with a lot of people. It is not whether I, per se, agree with them, but how well I see a choice sitting with the public it is addressed to. For example, a lot of the things ME3 did, did not sit well with its audience. Doing even less than that, would most likely make people more angry than what they were. I think that is safe to assume at this point. I mean, it's not exactly rocket science. but you're refusing to consider a variety of factors outside what you'd like that influences and limits the choices they can reasonably make. Okay. But that doesn't make you exempt from the consequences. If your product doesn't satisfy your consumer base, expect bad reviews, bad PR, refunds and a general customer dissatisfaction feeling. A lot of things can be made with the best intentions, with time constraints, budget limitations etc. Products can succeed and products can fail. Considering the effects of ME3's performance can be felt even today, you can judge for yourself what it did or did not.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 14:22:57 GMT
Goody for you then. If that was their response to you, I would take it to mean they aren't committing to even doing a ME5 yet. Their future rests on DA4. Most likely. You're negativism and skepticism just shows yet again that you're no longer a fan. You basically disagree with every decision they make and absolutely believe they are only capable of making worse decisions in the future I don't trust the management enough to make the right decisions. Which is apparently true for the people working at Bioware, as well, if Schreier's articles are to be believed. I don't think they will make the absolute worst, but will make the most mediocre one. That just doesn't fit the definition of "a fan (which, according to Merriam Webster is "an enthusiastic devotee" or "an ardent admirer." or, according to Cambridge is "someone who admires and supports a person, sport, sports team, etc." I do believe I am trying to support them and I do admire them for their past work, but I am also not turning a blind eye to the problems they are currently facing. You may not like or agree with the way I go about it, but I wouldn't be here if I wasn't. I wouldn't care this much, if I wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 14:38:03 GMT
Goody for you then. If that was their response to you, I would take it to mean they aren't committing to even doing a ME5 yet. Their future rests on DA4. Most likely. You're negativism and skepticism just shows yet again that you're no longer a fan. You basically disagree with every decision they make and absolutely believe they are only capable of making worse decisions in the future I don't trust the management enough to make the right decisions. Which is apparently true for the people working at Bioware, as well, if Schreier's articles are to be believed. I don't think they will make the absolute worst, but will make the most mediocre one. That just doesn't fit the definition of "a fan (which, according to Merriam Webster is "an enthusiastic devotee" or "an ardent admirer." or, according to Cambridge is "someone who admires and supports a person, sport, sports team, etc." I do believe I am trying to support them and I do admire them for their past work, but I am also not turning a blind eye to the problems they are currently facing. You may not like or agree with the way I go about it, but I wouldn't be here if I wasn't. I wouldn't care this much, if I wasn't. You have categorically stated that you wish ME3 (2012) didn't exist. You have categorically stated that you don't like ME:A or Anthem. You have categorically stated that you hate their parent company (EA) as well). You must love DA:I then for you to say you admire them and suport them then,,, because Bioware from before their sale to EA no longer exists, period. Furthermore, you have categorically stated that you believe them incapable of making any good decisions on their own about their own future.
My question - How many years does it take of a former fan hating a company's work for them to admit they are no longer a fan of that company's work?
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Post by helios969 on Jul 12, 2019 14:44:32 GMT
You two should get a room.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 12, 2019 14:47:26 GMT
Keep in mind that Reaper dont care about what happens to their Husks as long as they do their job. Also Krogan's natural traits of Regeneration and overall Toughness will make them superb more useful for more dangerous Heavy Weapons like the CAIN. Imagine that with Reaper Cybernetics to improve their overall effective on the field. So Making a Known Tank even Tankier. A technorganic being, fused with a CAIN, that has no concern of its own well being, because it can regenerate itself. Would its technorganic nature allow it to regenerate its synth parts as well? Able to completely restore itself from a " dead" state? Would make for a nice survival scenario, as well. Yes is my answer to all of that and yes it will have enough intelligence to be dangerous to be useful for the Reapers to re-use them on many battlefields to break enemy lines and relentless enough to put pressure on the player and dangerous enough to make the player shit themselves.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 12, 2019 14:50:24 GMT
You two should get a room. True they do and the question is that Should they film it and if they do that, should I get the popcorn.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 15:17:59 GMT
You two should get a room. Uhuh... the cage matches are tough enough, not going into a room alone with that one.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 12, 2019 15:20:13 GMT
You two should get a room. Uhuh... the cage matches are tough enough, not going into a room alone with that one. do it for science. and we shall give you and him the results as well. then I will give the test results to my boss....
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 15:32:42 GMT
You have categorically stated that you wish ME3 (2012) didn't exist Not in the form we got it. You have categorically stated that you don't like ME:A or Anthem I found ME:A to be considerably less interesting than its predecessors and predicted Anthem to be too poor in content to tide people over. Many critics agree with me. On both criticisms of both games. And added a fair few more criticisms to that, as well. You must love DA:I then for you to say you admire them and suport tgen,,, because Bioware from before their sale to EA no longer exists, period. Sounds like you are a hater, then. My question - How many years does it take of a former fan hating a company's work for them to admit they are no longer a fan of that company's work? More than seven. Maybe more than twelve. Could be fifty. Closer to one hundred. I'll say a thousand.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 15:34:00 GMT
A technorganic being, fused with a CAIN, that has no concern of its own well being, because it can regenerate itself. Would its technorganic nature allow it to regenerate its synth parts as well? Able to completely restore itself from a " dead" state? Would make for a nice survival scenario, as well. Yes is my answer to all of that and yes it will have enough intelligence to be dangerous to be useful for the Reapers to re-use them on many battlefields to break enemy lines and relentless enough to put pressure on the player and dangerous enough to make the player shit themselves. I'd play that game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 15:34:50 GMT
You two should get a room. I absolutely love arguing with @upagain
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Post by Phantom on Jul 12, 2019 15:42:00 GMT
Yes is my answer to all of that and yes it will have enough intelligence to be dangerous to be useful for the Reapers to re-use them on many battlefields to break enemy lines and relentless enough to put pressure on the player and dangerous enough to make the player shit themselves. I'd play that game. Now imagine a Reaper Husk that is a Vorcha with increase speed and agility and more aggressive with a flame-thrower. Think of a Pissed off Vorcha Soldier build with all abilities max out and supplemented with Reaper Cybernetic implants then you have some idea of what I want. and Krogan CAIN Reaper Husk Variant is leading them and commanding them. And Another Reaper Husk Varient is an Asari/Hanar combination that uses both Biotic attack and Poison to debuff enemies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 15:50:03 GMT
You have categorically stated that you wish ME3 (2012) didn't exist Not in the form we got it. You have categorically stated that you don't like ME:A or Anthem I found ME:A to be considerably less interesting than its predecessors and predicted Anthem to be too poor in content to tide people over. Many critics agree with me. On both criticisms of both games. And added a fair few more criticisms to that, as well. You must love DA:I then for you to say you admire them and suport tgen,,, because Bioware from before their sale to EA no longer exists, period. Sounds like you are a hater, then. My question - How many years does it take of a former fan hating a company's work for them to admit they are no longer a fan of that company's work? More than seven. Maybe more than twelve. Could be fifty. Closer to one hundred. I'll say a thousand. Response only to "Sounds like you are a hater, then." I am not a fan of the DA series itself. I tried it (DA;O) and found that it was not in my personal taste. As a result, I am in no position to assess Bioware's work as it relates to that franchise. However, note that I am fully prepared to admit to not being a fan of that franchise. Still, you don't see me there on those threads criticizing it or making up suggestions as to what they should change in order to make me like it. I'm happy for them that other people like it (that's how I define being supportive).
I do enjoy a lot of what they've put into ME:A, so I do consider myself to still be a fan of Bioware's work and of the company itself. I cannot play Anthem because my internet is insufficient to play online games. Therefore, I really cannot make any assessment about it. Obviously, I wasn't part of the market they were targeting for that particular game. I also have faith that they are capable of making their own decisions about the directions they want to take their company in. I accept that may mean they continue to move away from my being part of their target market. When they cease to produce any games I enjoy, I will not be afraid to say that I would then no longer be a fan of Bioware. It wouldn't be some sort of great insult for anyone to acknowledge that were it the case. As I said, right now, there are things about Bioware's current work that I personally sincerely enjoy... that's not a crime.
If you've pitched your idea to them, then that's all you can reasonably do. Getting into these protracted arguments with little old me and my personal opinions does nothing positive. My only "plan" is to back off and let Bioware decide what they WANT to do. You don't seem to like my doing that, but that's what I'm going to do anyways. We both will just have to wait to see what it is Bioware eventually decides to do (if they even get a chance to do that... since we both seem to agree that their future rests on DA4).
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 15:52:49 GMT
I like the Vorcha idea. They also are very durable with potent regeneration abilities. They can use flamethrowers for crowd control, use the Krogan one for AoE and the Asari/Hanar one for DoTs. Pretty good gameplay mechanics. Well rounded enemy units that would make for some very interesting and stressful combat scenarios.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 15:53:45 GMT
My only "plan" is to back off and let Bioware decide what they WANT to do What if they don't know what to do?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 16:00:33 GMT
My only "plan" is to back off and let Bioware decide what they WANT to do What if they don't know what to do? That you have no faith in that they are even capable of knowing what they WANT to do shows clearly that you are no longer a fan of Bioware. You don't like what they do and you're anticipating not liking what they may want to do. You can't call yourself a "fan" of a company you don't even trust to make their own corporate decisions.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 12, 2019 16:04:51 GMT
I like the Vorcha idea. They also are very durable with potent regeneration abilities. They can use flamethrowers for crowd control, use the Krogan one for AoE and the Asari/Hanar one for DoTs. Pretty good gameplay mechanics. Well rounded enemy units that would make for some very interesting and stressful combat scenarios. Reaper Drell Husks would be Sniper/Melee role; think of a meaner blend of Cerberus Phantom and Nemesis and it will flank the player.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 16:16:54 GMT
I like the Vorcha idea. They also are very durable with potent regeneration abilities. They can use flamethrowers for crowd control, use the Krogan one for AoE and the Asari/Hanar one for DoTs. Pretty good gameplay mechanics. Well rounded enemy units that would make for some very interesting and stressful combat scenarios. Reaper Drell Husks would be Sniper/Melee role; think of a meaner blend of Cerberus Phantom and Nemesis and it will flank the player. No Space Ninjas, though. Please.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 12, 2019 16:20:17 GMT
Reaper Drell Husks would be Sniper/Melee role; think of a meaner blend of Cerberus Phantom and Nemesis and it will flank the player. No Space Ninjas, though. Please. Well we have Space Magic and Lovecraftian horror. and Cybernetic necromancy as well
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 16:32:22 GMT
That you have no faith in that they are even capable of knowing what they WANT to do shows clearly that you are no longer a fan of Bioware. You don't like what they do and you're anticipating not liking what they may want to do. You can't call yourself a "fan" of a company you don't even trust to make their own corporate decisions. Their own employees are doubting their management. They are directly blaming them for the development problems and the critical reception of the games. They also blame EA for their lack of interest in story heavy games. Which is a little funny, considering they bought a company known for making story heavy games. It's all in the Schreier article. So are you saying that the people working at Bioware aren't fans of Bioware or aren't part of Bioware because they don't exactly trust their higher ups? And if they don't trust their management, how am I, from the outside looking in, supposed to?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 16:35:37 GMT
Well we have Space Magic and Lovecraftian horror. and Cybernetic necromancy as well Are we going to play them seriously or ironically?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 16:48:10 GMT
That you have no faith in that they are even capable of knowing what they WANT to do shows clearly that you are no longer a fan of Bioware. You don't like what they do and you're anticipating not liking what they may want to do. You can't call yourself a "fan" of a company you don't even trust to make their own corporate decisions. Their own employees are doubting their management. They are directly blaming them for the development problems and the critical reception of the games. They also blame EA for their lack of interest in story heavy games. Which is a little funny, considering they bought a company known for making story heavy games. It's all in the Schreier article. So are you saying that the people working at Bioware aren't fans of Bioware or aren't part of Bioware because they don't exactly trust their higher ups? And if they don't trust their management, how am I, from the outside looking in, supposed to? Facepalm right back at you. Nothing is requiring you to trust the management of the company... but the consequence of that is that you can no longer say you're a fan of the company. As an outsider, you have no choice at this point but to let them steer their own company. You have no actual say it what their management does or doesn't do. You have no business setting yourself up as representative of the staff either. It's between management and staff to work out their own issues (whatever they are).
If you've pitched your idea ot them, that's all you can reasonably do. Arguing with me does nothing positive.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 12, 2019 16:56:52 GMT
Well we have Space Magic and Lovecraftian horror. and Cybernetic necromancy as well Are we going to play them seriously or ironically? with me, For example, If Bioware takes my Cerberus Phantom idea, He is the type of Phantom that would make fun of Flashier martial artists and he has the skill as a martial artist to lay their asses out. As for my Reaper Drell idea is to a nightmare to the players that camp in the same spot while dealing with the Asari/Hanar Reaper husk, Krogan Reaper Husk and the Vorcha Reaper Husk.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 17:19:06 GMT
Nothing is requiring you to trust the management of the company... but the consequence of that is that you can no longer say you're a fan of the company. That is an utterly ridiculous notion. How about no? How is this even a criteria? As an outsider, you have no choice at this point but to let them steer their own company Well, I mean, it's not like they haven't asked for player feedback before. I'm arguing that together, we can offer better feedback than I can alone. You have no actual say it what their management does or doesn't do. You have no business setting yourself up as representative of the staff either That's not ... I'm not posing as a union representative, or an EA exec. But we've been playing video games for a while now. Surely we can offer a single good idea. It's between management and staff to work out their own issues (whatever they are). Last I heard, Casey was working hard on it. So far been hearing good words, but some people are still pretty reserved. I sincerely hope Casey will turn things around. If you've pitched your idea ot them, that's all you can reasonably do. Arguing with me does nothing positive. But I love arguing with you.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 12, 2019 17:30:36 GMT
For example, If Bioware takes my Cerberus Phantom idea, He is the type of Phantom that would make fun of Flashier martial artists and he has the skill as a martial artist to lay their asses out. Well, Dutch is a cool guy, so I'm okay with that. I am most certainly down of a over the top, memorable characters. Like Konstantin Brayko from Alpha Protocol, but without the cocaine addiction. As for my Reaper Drell idea is to a nightmare to the players that camp in the same spot while dealing with the Asari/Hanar Reaper husk, Krogan Reaper Husk and the Vorcha Reaper Husk. Sneak attacking?
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