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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 8, 2019 1:12:07 GMT
Because despite some people being mad and complaining the game would sell. I complained about the ME3 ending more then a little bit for a long time and I still bought andromeda when it first came out. However if the next game takes place in andromeda noone has a real "connection" to it like they would if it took place in the milky way with some of the same characters. If they brought it back to the milky way and put it ..let's say ten years into the future where we would still see familiar characters I guarantee people would get mad and complain but still buy it brand new. And in the end a game developer makes games to make money. So will they make a game that will sell well or one that will be guarentted to sell well or one that is may or may not sell well.
Does anyone agree.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 8, 2019 17:26:07 GMT
Because despite some people being mad and complaining the game would sell. I complained about the ME3 ending more then a little bit for a long time and I still bought andromeda when it first came out. However if the next game takes place in andromeda noone has a real "connection" to it like they would if it took place in the milky way with some of the same characters. If they brought it back to the milky way and put it ..let's say ten years into the future where we would still see familiar characters I guarantee people would get mad and complain but still buy it brand new. And in the end a game developer makes games to make money. So will they make a game that will sell well or one that will be guarentted to sell well or one that is may or may not sell well.
Does anyone agree.
Objectively false. Myself and many others have that connection to Andromeda. If they made a sequel to ME3 with Shepard as protagonist I would not buy it. Why would I if it’s clear one of the main things I live about BioWare, respecting my choices, is clearly no longer going to be a thing they do?
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Post by Phantom on Mar 8, 2019 17:58:31 GMT
if there was a ME3 Sequel with a New Player Character in the Milk Way, would you buy it?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2019 18:09:17 GMT
if there was a ME3 Sequel with a New Player Character in the Milk Way, would you buy it? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 18:17:04 GMT
If they set a Mass Effect game in 2197 in the Milky Way, I'd potentially buy it IF 1) Canon is that Shepard died on Citadel reaching for the console to activate the Crucible. Since he/she died there, the Crucibile did not fire at all. All of the philosophical ending choices to ME3 are, therefore, completely irrelevant since nothing of what we imagine or believe takes place in the afterlife ever affect events IRL. 2) The Reapers are, therefore, continuing with their harvest of the Milky Way species (which could take centuries to complete). 3) The "reappearances" of familiar characters is limited to only those who could not possibly have died in ME1-ME3 (including the original ME3 endings). That basically leaves Joker and Hackett, plus a few other minor characters for Bioware to work with.
I'd buy it more readily if it takes place in 3500 and the post-harvested state of the galaxy is being discovered by individuals returning to the Milky Way from Andromeda.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 8, 2019 21:19:27 GMT
Because despite some people being mad and complaining the game would sell. I complained about the ME3 ending more then a little bit for a long time and I still bought andromeda when it first came out. However if the next game takes place in andromeda noone has a real "connection" to it like they would if it took place in the milky way with some of the same characters. If they brought it back to the milky way and put it ..let's say ten years into the future where we would still see familiar characters I guarantee people would get mad and complain but still buy it brand new. And in the end a game developer makes games to make money. So will they make a game that will sell well or one that will be guarentted to sell well or one that is may or may not sell well.
Does anyone agree.
Objectively false. Myself and many others have that connection to Andromeda. If they made a sequel to ME3 with Shepard as protagonist I would not buy it. Why would I if it’s clear one of the main things I live about BioWare, respecting my choices, is clearly no longer going to be a thing they do? I never said noone would buy the next mass effect game if it was in andromeda. But I think most people who played the trilogy would buy the next ME game if it took place in the mily way and shepard was in it or at least his crew was
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 8, 2019 21:19:49 GMT
if there was a ME3 Sequel with a New Player Character in the Milk Way, would you buy it? yes
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 21:35:29 GMT
Objectively false. Myself and many others have that connection to Andromeda. If they made a sequel to ME3 with Shepard as protagonist I would not buy it. Why would I if it’s clear one of the main things I live about BioWare, respecting my choices, is clearly no longer going to be a thing they do? I never said noone would buy the next mass effect game if it was in andromeda. But I think most people who played the trilogy would buy the next ME game if it took place in the mily way and shepard was in it or at least his crew was Objectively false as well, since "most" people are not even part of this ongoing debate. In 6 years time, when this next ME game is optimistically going to be released, the gaming fan base in general will have objectively changed significantly. The number of people with such deep-seated emotional attachments to Shepard will have continued to dwindle. Most people will be looking at Bioware's overall reputation at that point and whatever reviews come out about the game on release (just as they do with every other game)... and what, in at least a large part, killed Andromeda before it was even fully released. While we've been arguing over the validity of the "Which Protagonist" poll for months now, it's clear that those who want Shepard specifically are a minority of those who voted.
Bioware has stated in the past that they would not reneg on the choices presented in ME3's endings. While they could conceivably go back on their word and pander to the "destroy, Shepard lives" is canon proponents, they would lose reputation with some (note, I'm saying some, not most) fans... myself included. Deleting those other endings by making one of the a canon is simply not necessary to continue the story either in the Milky Way or in Andromeda.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 8, 2019 21:51:24 GMT
Objectively false. Myself and many others have that connection to Andromeda. If they made a sequel to ME3 with Shepard as protagonist I would not buy it. Why would I if it’s clear one of the main things I live about BioWare, respecting my choices, is clearly no longer going to be a thing they do? I never said noone would buy the next mass effect game if it was in andromeda. But I think most people who played the trilogy would buy the next ME game if it took place in the mily way and shepard was in it or at least his crew was Tou did say nobody had a real connection however, and that is what I was mainly arguing against as being false.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2019 21:57:38 GMT
I would not be surprised if the majority of people who played the trilogy who don't participate on any forum wouldn't have a problem if Shepard were to return especially if the game turns out to be good.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 8, 2019 22:16:53 GMT
I never said noone would buy the next mass effect game if it was in andromeda. But I think most people who played the trilogy would buy the next ME game if it took place in the mily way and shepard was in it or at least his crew was Tou did say nobody had a real connection however, and that is what I was mainly arguing against as being false. Crap I did. I mis spoke...or mistyped I suppose. I meant that ALOT more people have a strong connection to the shepard storyline and such then the andromeda one.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 8, 2019 22:20:10 GMT
I would not be surprised if the majority of people who played the trilogy who don't participate on any forum wouldn't have a problem if Shepard were to return especially if the game turns out to be good. Exactly. Not everyone who played mass effect shows up on a forum. Actually only a very small amount do. Yet Most people loved Shepard or at least the crew and feel they had with the old trilogy and would jump at the chance to revisit it.
And lets be honest the hardest ending to get was high ems destroy and that means "in my opinion" it was the "best" ending in the developers mind.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 8, 2019 23:27:18 GMT
If the story is good, would you still accept Ryder Twins as Player Characters while taking place in Andromeda?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 9, 2019 0:56:07 GMT
If the story is good, would you still accept Ryder Twins as Player Characters while taking place in Andromeda? I would buy it but I would wait until it was lower in price rather then a day one purchase. If a shepard game came out or something that takes place shortly after the reaper wars I would pre order and buy the collectors edition
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 9, 2019 8:03:35 GMT
Tou did say nobody had a real connection however, and that is what I was mainly arguing against as being false. Crap I did. I mis spoke...or mistyped I suppose. I meant that ALOT more people have a strong connection to the shepard storyline and such then the andromeda one. True but the MET was three games over the span of 5 years. MEA is one game. Clearly, people are going to be more attached to a trilogy than to a single game that didn't even get to finish its storyline. ME1 could have ended and been a complete story. MEA left things hanging with the obvious intention of having a followup.
Let's look at it this way. If someone gave me the Lord of the Rings Trilogy to read and also gave me Book One of The Riftwar Saga (Magician: Apprentice - if you haven't read it do so. It's well worth reading.) but left out the last few chapters and never published the books that were to follow, what would you think? Which would you think it better? Would it even be possible to make a true assessment under those conditions? I don't think.
If the Riftwar Saga isn't good enough, try Dune. Very dense text and extremely long but leave out the last few chapters and see if it makes as much sense.
This is what you're working with. You're comparing an entire trilogy and all of its dlc to a single game that BioWare never wrapped up. Of course you're going to prefer the MET because you were never able to get the full story from MEA. Now, you might not like a completed MEA storyline and that's fine. Just be aware that getting the entire story is necessary before you can make a true judgment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 9:03:13 GMT
I would not be surprised if the majority of people who played the trilogy who don't participate on any forum wouldn't have a problem if Shepard were to return especially if the game turns out to be good. If any game "turns out to be good" then it's likely people will like it and buy it. You're still making a broad assumption that they'd be liking it because of Shepard's return and not just because it turned out to be a good game. You've also been making a broad assumption that those same people wouldn't like to see Ryder return in a good game. If a ME:A2 game is good, then ME:A's issues are forgotten because that's what people normally do with an average game that's followed by a sequel to it that's a better game.
Shepard's story was done, finished... with him/her dying in all but one of several ending possibilities. We also watched him/her die even before the choices were made. The imagery in that ending is clear... the choice was made in the Afterlife.... Yet, you're in total denial over that. You go on and on about details changing. The details that change are, really, that Shepard wasn't the hero that history made hiim/her out to be. He/she died before he/she could activate the Crucible. The story is finished. Resurrecting in by re-writing it is a disservice to it. It just tells me that what you really believe is that it wasn't good enough to be finished where Bioware finished it.
A prequel with Shepard is possible... but there is limited material to work with and 3 different backgrounds to account for. If they go this route, they should probably go with the default background story. It sets the story and it's conclusion in stone... since it ultimately has to lead to the point where Shepard is brought aboard the Normandy. It also negates the choice the players had about what Shepard's background was in the same way an canon ending to ME3 negates any other choice made by players. Sure, I'd buy a prequel... IF it's a good game. My goal is to buy good games regardless of their topic because they're good games.. which, I believes, is what MOST gamers do. The good game I'd prefer to buy is one that takes us to Andromeda to finish that story before taking us forward again in time to get us back to the Milky Way... where we find out the actual fate of the galaxy (which I firmly believe was harvested, period).
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Post by themikefest on Mar 9, 2019 12:47:32 GMT
You've also been making a broad assumption Of course its an assumption. Never said it was fact. Really? Is there any proof to what you say?. Or is it your headcanon that Shepard died before making the choice? And you keep taking pot shots at people who don't want what you want. You go on and on about Andromeda and Ryder like its the greatest game ever released. It seems you get weak in the knees over that game.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 9, 2019 14:17:20 GMT
Shepard's story was done, finished... with him/her dying in all but one of several ending possibilities. We also watched him/her die even before the choices were made. The imagery in that ending is clear... the choice was made in the Afterlife.... Yet, you're in total denial over that. You go on and on about details changing. The details that change are, really, that Shepard wasn't the hero that history made hiim/her out to be. He/she died before he/she could activate the Crucible. The story is finished. Resurrecting in by re-writing it is a disservice to it. It just tells me that what you really believe is that it wasn't good enough to be finished where Bioware finished it.
Nah... this interpretation could have been valid before EC. Like indocrination theory. Before EC, the calalyst scene was so strange, unintelligible and mystic that it could also be interpreted as pure symbolism, or as an illusion. With the EC, bioware wanted to clarify that what happens was real, answering to all the main unanswered questions that had been legitimately asked by gamers, and showing the consequences of the choiches. Moreover, the decisive factor is the Leviathan dlc: the existence of the catalyst is openly revealed, its function and its objectives anticipated with great clarity. And in the final we see and know the catalyst just as the leviathan described it. however, bioware may decide that the personal story of shepard is over even without derailing into the mysticism and lore-breaking stuff like visions in the afterlife etc. Set the new ME in 2250-2260: shepard could be dead/gone, you can introduce a brand new story and crew of new characters, but still be able to bring back liara, grunt, wrex, edi&legion, samara, javik? (prothean lifespwan?), a very old grumpy joker, for cameos or for more important roles.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 9, 2019 15:56:13 GMT
I think it's possible to make a next ME game in MW respecting your choices, I've been thinking about it, but it could be hard.
The story I imagined is: Shepard died, regardless of your choice. A group is trying to bring him back and actually recovered his body on excavations on Earth, and are trying a new Lazarus project. Their motivation will depend on the choice you made Destroy synthetics: Synthetics are coming back and they want Shepard to destroy them again Control synthetics: Some synthetics are getting out of control or they think it's immoral to keep controlling them. Synthesis: They want to be a pure race again, with no synthetic parts.
So the big changes would actually be on dialogues on the groups' motivations, and maybe a few quests unique to the world contexts. I think it would be very hard, but doable.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 9, 2019 22:05:19 GMT
I think it's possible to make a next ME game in MW respecting your choices, I've been thinking about it, but it could be hard. The story I imagined is: Shepard died, regardless of your choice. A group is trying to bring him back and actually recovered his body on excavations on Earth, and are trying a new Lazarus project. Their motivation will depend on the choice you made Destroy synthetics: Synthetics are coming back and they want Shepard to destroy them again Control synthetics: Some synthetics are getting out of control or they think it's immoral to keep controlling them. Synthesis: They want to be a pure race again, with no synthetic parts. So the big changes would actually be on dialogues on the groups' motivations, and maybe a few quests unique to the world contexts. I think it would be very hard, but doable. My mind just blew. this would be a great idea but they would have to get over the fact that in control and synthesis shepards body simply fades away so to speak. The biggest problem I forsee if they try to go forward in the milky way and decided to make all the choices valid is that in control you have an unstoppable force roaming the galaxy killing any threat which makes any "big threat" impossible. And if the reapers go back to their original mission then they can't be stopped since we already saw that how the reapers were all but unbeatable in ME3. Still if they went with your idea I would be willing to overlook some problems with it if it worked. You should send this idea to a bioware writer
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Any Milky Way story is just more of the same stuff. Boring...
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2019 3:57:17 GMT
If the story is good, would you still accept Ryder Twins as Player Characters while taking place in Andromeda? I would buy it but I would wait until it was lower in price rather then a day one purchase. If a shepard game came out or something that takes place shortly after the reaper wars I would pre order and buy the collectors edition Not unreasonable. In fact, I think we'd be better off not doing day one purchases in general. It might force developers to put out a bug-free game if they know most people are waiting on reviews.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 10, 2019 5:04:47 GMT
I think it's possible to make a next ME game in MW respecting your choices, I've been thinking about it, but it could be hard. The story I imagined is: Shepard died, regardless of your choice. A group is trying to bring him back and actually recovered his body on excavations on Earth, and are trying a new Lazarus project. Their motivation will depend on the choice you made Destroy synthetics: Synthetics are coming back and they want Shepard to destroy them again Control synthetics: Some synthetics are getting out of control or they think it's immoral to keep controlling them. Synthesis: They want to be a pure race again, with no synthetic parts. So the big changes would actually be on dialogues on the groups' motivations, and maybe a few quests unique to the world contexts. I think it would be very hard, but doable. My mind just blew. this would be a great idea but they would have to get over the fact that in control and synthesis shepards body simply fades away so to speak. The biggest problem I forsee if they try to go forward in the milky way and decided to make all the choices valid is that in control you have an unstoppable force roaming the galaxy killing any threat which makes any "big threat" impossible. And if the reapers go back to their original mission then they can't be stopped since we already saw that how the reapers were all but unbeatable in ME3. Still if they went with your idea I would be willing to overlook some problems with it if it worked. You should send this idea to a bioware writer Yeah, we would have to overlook the fact that his body was "melted" depending on the choice. But surely if they can come with an excuse for why people trust information that is 600 years old in ME:A they can come with an excuse for Shepard's body reappearing. Imagine going through the entire game and then the final boss is actually... Shepard. That would be deep. And well, the reapers might not go back to their original mission all at once, but a few of them might "wake up" and they have to hide because the others reapers are still being controlled and can destroy them, or they are actually destroyed and set the galaxy at alert. It would only be an excuse, the real threat would actually be the cult.
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Post by clips7 on Mar 10, 2019 5:28:28 GMT
I'd be on board if the next game took place in the MW and they brought back Shep. And while i do think it's a bit unfair to compare Andromeda to the trilogy of ME, if Andromeda was just a solid game in general, nobody would be talking about revisiting the MW or Sheperd at all. I would love to see a game with Shep and crew in the aftermath of the Reaper threat.
I like the ideas anarchy65 have come up with, and if structured properly those ideas can work....but i also wouldn't be mad if Bioware just picked a canon ending and stuck with it...there was no way Bioware was going to actually please everybody with the next game and its why they went so far with Andromeda, but we as fans should have or need to be grown up about this aspect as well. Logically everybody knew Bioware kinda backed themselves into a wall in ME3, but everybody should have been just as understanding if Bioware created ME4 with a canon ending of their choosing.
ME3 just could have been your Sheperd's personal journey and whatever ending you choose would have been your choice....even then i don't think it was that serious...in plenty of games back then (and currently) depending on what choices you made the outcome would have been different and everybody was ok with those games as well....people was just being unrealistic and not logically thinking ....
I know Bioware initially sold us on how our choices would affect the entire trilogy, but programming/coding all of those aspects in a real way that makes everybody happy was a bit unrealistic....the entire experience from ME 1-3 was great and i think that is what really matters.
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Post by tatann on Mar 10, 2019 10:39:24 GMT
I think it's possible to make a next ME game in MW respecting your choices, I've been thinking about it, but it could be hard. The story I imagined is: Shepard died, regardless of your choice. A group is trying to bring him back and actually recovered his body on excavations on Earth, and are trying a new Lazarus project. Their motivation will depend on the choice you made Destroy synthetics: Synthetics are coming back and they want Shepard to destroy them again Control synthetics: Some synthetics are getting out of control or they think it's immoral to keep controlling them. Synthesis: They want to be a pure race again, with no synthetic parts. So the big changes would actually be on dialogues on the groups' motivations, and maybe a few quests unique to the world contexts. I think it would be very hard, but doable. My mind just blew. this would be a great idea but they would have to get over the fact that in control and synthesis shepards body simply fades away so to speak. The biggest problem I forsee if they try to go forward in the milky way and decided to make all the choices valid is that in control you have an unstoppable force roaming the galaxy killing any threat which makes any "big threat" impossible. And if the reapers go back to their original mission then they can't be stopped since we already saw that how the reapers were all but unbeatable in ME3. Still if they went with your idea I would be willing to overlook some problems with it if it worked. You should send this idea to a bioware writer If Shepard's body can't be recovered (control, synthesis), they could be trying to "Lazarus/Overlord project" his mind as an AI in a synthetic body (Geth platform or EDI-like android) A big part of Shepard's body is already synthetic since ME2 anyway, and the MET already hinted at Shepard's VI multiple times
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