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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 15:42:56 GMT
The Crucible doesn't use an explosive force to destroy the Reapers though. It can't because if that explosion couldn't kill a single, already seriously injured, human close to its origin, the blast would never ever even remotely be large enough to kill even a single Reaper in orbit. The explosion is completely unrelated to anything the Crucible is about; therefore, EMS should have nothing to do with whether or not Shepard survives. There is no logical reason why the Crucible in each scenario is activated by entirely different means. The thing was built with only one trigger... the one Hackett expected to be able to use remotely once Shepard and Anderson armed it on the station... and last we heard, that trigger wasn't working. mmm nope. With very low ems, the destroy red-wave kills humans and aliens too. It also destroy buildings etc. So it's very related to EMS. The red wave seems to have two effects. Let's take the nuclear bomb as an example: there are many effects, there are raditions, and there is the shock wave (and heath etc). The crucible red wave "radiations" kill the reapers and synth, despite EMS level. The "shock wave" could be devastating or harmless depending on EMS. The radiations cannot kill shepard, because he's no synth. The shock wave? Of course. Except with very HIGH EMS. In this scenario the shock wave is practically a strong breath of wind. This picture is high EMS citadel. As you can see, the presidium is still standing, there are damages to the builiding but nothing devastating. So, if Shepard survived the red-tube simple explosion - and he survived worse -, he could easily have survived the red-wave, in high EMS. The blast that Shepard experiences though is NOT the red wave. It's a standard blast wave from shooting the tubes. It's clearly the same intensity of blast in each scene regardless of EMS. There's no reason why Shepard would survive just because of EMS since EMS is not related to the intensity of that particular blast.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 19, 2019 15:50:54 GMT
mmm nope. With very low ems, the destroy red-wave kills humans and aliens too. It also destroy buildings etc. So it's very related to EMS. The red wave seems to have two effects. Let's take the nuclear bomb as an example: there are many effects, there are raditions, and there is the shock wave (and heath etc). The crucible red wave "radiations" kill the reapers and synth, despite EMS level. The "shock wave" could be devastating or harmless depending on EMS. The radiations cannot kill shepard, because he's no synth. The shock wave? Of course. Except with very HIGH EMS. In this scenario the shock wave is practically a strong breath of wind. This picture is high EMS citadel. As you can see, the presidium is still standing, there are damages to the builiding but nothing devastating. So, if Shepard survived the red-tube simple explosion - and he survived worse -, he could easily have survived the red-wave, in high EMS. The blast that Shepard experiences though is NOT the red wave. It's a standard blast wave from shooting the tubes. It's clearly the same intensity of blast in each scene regardless of EMS. There's no reason why Shepard would survive just because of EMS since EMS is not related to the intensity of that particular blast.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 19, 2019 16:12:37 GMT
mmm nope. With very low ems, the destroy red-wave kills humans and aliens too. It also destroy buildings etc. So it's very related to EMS. The red wave seems to have two effects. Let's take the nuclear bomb as an example: there are many effects, there are raditions, and there is the shock wave (and heath etc). The crucible red wave "radiations" kill the reapers and synth, despite EMS level. The "shock wave" could be devastating or harmless depending on EMS. The radiations cannot kill shepard, because he's no synth. The shock wave? Of course. Except with very HIGH EMS. In this scenario the shock wave is practically a strong breath of wind. This picture is high EMS citadel. As you can see, the presidium is still standing, there are damages to the builiding but nothing devastating. So, if Shepard survived the red-tube simple explosion - and he survived worse -, he could easily have survived the red-wave, in high EMS. The blast that Shepard experiences though is NOT the red wave. It's a standard blast wave from shooting the tubes. It's clearly the same intensity of blast in each scene regardless of EMS. There's no reason why Shepard would survive just because of EMS since EMS is not related to the intensity of that particular blast. Indeed. That's exactly my point. That standard blast doesn't seem particularly devastating. An armored cybernetic ubersoldaten like Shepard could have survived that blast. He survived worse. As for the red-wave of space magic, the rule is clear: the higher is EMS, the less collateral damages it causes, to things and people. So, if: a) Shepard could have survived the standard-blast (wounded, burned) - every destroy scenarioPLUSb ) the red-wave of space magic causes almost no collateral damages to things and people - high EMS scenariothan we can say that in high ems destroy scenario shepard has not suffered fatal damage.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 19, 2019 16:29:10 GMT
I have bought a xbox since they first came out and the last playstation I bought was a PS2. If I can get past my foolish loyalty or stubborness I would buy a PS5 as my next console since Playstation seems to get all the good console exclusives and xbox only gets halo. The main reason I haven't gone console, aside from mods, was Xbox. I got red rings of death. I fought to get it replaced with them paying for shipping. Then it happened again and I was done. The 360's were horrible for that but I never got it with xbox one. One of the things that made me angry is that on the 360 you could play music while you play a game but the xbox one doesn't have that. Makes no sense since it's a step backwards. Also I am just horrible with computers so using a console is more my style. I suspect that with people buying more and more digital games and the consoles getting closer to computers and online capable that mods will come to them. Fallout 4 already had the mods for it on xbox one.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 19, 2019 16:37:55 GMT
Some one straight up asked them during a convention if people on the citadel survived and they were seemingly baffled that we thought people on the citadel died in large numbers. Yeah a section that is destroyed people died on but even partially destroyed sections would have barriers popping up keeping out the vacuum. Even chunks of the citadel that were blown off the people in that section would be alive. See I don't understand this. The reapers would have sent troops in there and unless they somehow decided to spare the people in there and those people didn't fight there would be alot of deaths. I always had assumed they were all dead long before Shepard showed up. Getting processed for the next reaper. The question and answer surprised me.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 19, 2019 16:44:56 GMT
The blast that Shepard experiences though is NOT the red wave. It's a standard blast wave from shooting the tubes. It's clearly the same intensity of blast in each scene regardless of EMS. There's no reason why Shepard would survive just because of EMS since EMS is not related to the intensity of that particular blast. This is a "simple" deflagration. The slide I've posted shows that most of the building are still intact, the presidium is still standing etc. Some people survived nuclear explosions in hiroshima and nagasaki. Even if they were a few dozen meters from ground zero. Some people survived a fall of 10.000 meters. People survived to the most incredible events. The only variable is EMS and the red-wave effects. If the red wave is completely harmless, Shepard lives. Or so it seems. In any case, I've always said that we cannot be sure that Shepard is the one breathing. It seems very likely from an artistic point of view, it is unlikely but possible from a scientific point of view, is compatible with the lore, but... it's unconfirmed. So yes, Shepard could be dead even in high EMS destroy ending, and the breathing guy could be anyone, even a simple N7 soldier. It's a perfecty reasonable and consistent interpretation.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 19, 2019 17:00:08 GMT
This is a "simple" deflagration. The slide I've posted shows that most of the building are still intact, the presidium is still standing etc. Some people survived nuclear explosions in hiroshima and nagasaki. Even if they were a few dozen meters from ground zero. Some people survived a fall of 10.000 meters. People survived to the most incredible events. The only variable is EMS and the red-wave effects. If the red wave is completely harmless, Shepard lives. Or so it seems. In any case, I've always said that we cannot be sure that Shepard is the one breathing. It seems very likely from an artistic point of view, it is unlikely but possible from a scientific point of view, is compatible with the lore, but... it's unconfirmed. So yes, Shepard could be dead even in high EMS destroy ending, and the breathing guy could be anyone, even a simple N7 soldier. It's a perfecty reasonable and consistent interpretation. beyond the fact that it would make no sense to put that their if it wasn't shepard. one of the developers flat out said it meant that shep lived. And no I don't have a link since until recently I hadn't played or talked about mass effect since a month or two after andromeda came out
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2019 17:28:50 GMT
In any case, I've always said that we cannot be sure that Shepard is the one breathing. It seems very likely from an artistic point of view, it is unlikely but possible from a scientific point of view, is compatible with the lore, but... it's unconfirmed. Confirmed by the devs.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2019 17:51:41 GMT
The main reason I haven't gone console, aside from mods, was Xbox. I got red rings of death. I fought to get it replaced with them paying for shipping. Then it happened again and I was done. How long ago was that? The Red Ring of Death hasn't been a thing for like several years now. More than a decade ago. It's colored my perception. Also, I can get more bang for my buck with a PC since it does much more than play games.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2019 17:52:51 GMT
How long ago was that? The Red Ring of Death hasn't been a thing for like several years now. More than a decade ago. It's colored my perception. Also, I can get more bang for my buck with a PC since it does much more than play games. Ah, okay. Early 360 days. Yeah the Xbox has become a lot better since then.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2019 18:33:13 GMT
More than a decade ago. It's colored my perception. Also, I can get more bang for my buck with a PC since it does much more than play games. Ah, okay. Early 360 days. Yeah the Xbox has become a lot better since then. I do know but I have to weigh the cost of a PC alone or a PC and a console.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 7:17:24 GMT
See I don't understand this. The reapers would have sent troops in there and unless they somehow decided to spare the people in there and those people didn't fight there would be alot of deaths. I always had assumed they were all dead long before Shepard showed up. Getting processed for the next reaper. The question and answer surprised me. The game does establish that processing operations typically aren't rushed. The Reapers ere willing to take years on Earth, for instance. And causing a bunch of collateral damage on the Citadel would just be annoying, since if they trash the place they'll have to fix it back up themselves. In the few day between seizing the Citadel and the end of the war they've likely processed some of the residents, but not all. I suppose CDF strength could be used to determine how many, in a more complex implementation.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 13:37:31 GMT
Ah, okay. Early 360 days. Yeah the Xbox has become a lot better since then. I do know but I have to weigh the cost of a PC alone or a PC and a console. Honestly I just use my computer for everyone else. That said I am computer illitarate and end up raging when any thing remotely complicated comes up. I also like to play on a big screen. So I completely understand why someone prefers PC's to consoles. I play real time strategy games on computer.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 23, 2019 4:59:52 GMT
Shepard is gone. The move to Andromeda could have been just fine if they actually gave a shit about that. Also, nobody said Andromeda wasn't liked (well, it really wasn't), there are dozens of you, yes. But people wouldn't really care if they chose to move away from Andromeda or even Ryder, the game wasn't that memorable to begin with. I'll take any new AAA Mass Effect in the future, for sure, wherever that might be be.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 23, 2019 6:03:37 GMT
Shepard is gone. The move to Andromeda could have been just fine if they actually gave a shit about that. Also, nobody said Andromeda wasn't liked (well, it really wasn't), there are dozens of you, yes. But people wouldn't really care if they chose to move away from Andromeda or even Ryder, the game wasn't that memorable to begin with. I'll take any new AAA Mass Effect in the future, for sure, wherever that might be be. Hmm, we moved away from the Milky Way and if we then move away from Andromeda... Mass Effect: Triangulum
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 25, 2019 0:47:47 GMT
Shepard is gone. The move to Andromeda could have been just fine if they actually gave a shit about that. Also, nobody said Andromeda wasn't liked (well, it really wasn't), there are dozens of you, yes. But people wouldn't really care if they chose to move away from Andromeda or even Ryder, the game wasn't that memorable to begin with. I'll take any new AAA Mass Effect in the future, for sure, wherever that might be be. Hmm, we moved away from the Milky Way and if we then move away from Andromeda... Mass Effect: Triangulum Yup, and I believe that's what most people want too, otherwise they would have show their love for Andromeda and the game would be a success. At this point, I'll take anything.
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Post by Blast Processor on Mar 25, 2019 1:05:00 GMT
I would not be surprised if the majority of people who played the trilogy who don't participate on any forum wouldn't have a problem if Shepard were to return especially if the game turns out to be good. The average fan is a casual fan. I highly doubt the average fan cares if the protagonist is Shepard or Ryder or a talking dog that shoots bees out of its mouth.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 25, 2019 8:02:07 GMT
I enjoyed Andromeda and would like them to set another game in that galaxy so we can find out more about the vault builders, kett, the benefactor and what happened to the quarian ark. I would be fine with either Ryder or a new protagonist for that purpose.
That being said I wouldn't mind returning to the milky way for the game after that, I think they better choose a me3 ending, as whilst they might manage a single game which had variation based on me3 endings they wouldn't be able to continue supporting those ending variations at the same time as adding variations based on your prev choices in New Milky Way 1 in future milky way games. Plus trying to support all endings in one game would make the ending results, by necessity, less profoundly different and therefore unsatisfying anyway. Better they just pick one for future milkyway games, which does not in my opinion make the chosen ending canon - If your shepard chose one of the other endings then they chose one of the other endings, of the multiple alternate realities created by these different choices the new milky way game would just happen to be set in that one. If your shepard didn't pick it then that games events didn't happen in their reality.
I'd also want it set well after me3. Both so that we don't get a struggle to survive/expand into the galaxy story, that grounds been tread in MEA, and so that even if shepard survived they'll have died of old age before the game starts.
I don't want to play Shepard again. They had a story, it had a beginning, middle and end. I enjoyed it. Tell me a new characters story now.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 25, 2019 11:25:51 GMT
I would not be surprised if the majority of people who played the trilogy who don't participate on any forum wouldn't have a problem if Shepard were to return especially if the game turns out to be good. The average fan is a casual fan. I highly doubt the average fan cares if the protagonist is Shepard or Ryder or a talking dog that shoots bees out of its mouth. A talking dog would be an improvement over a little duck
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 19:55:42 GMT
The average fan is a casual fan. I highly doubt the average fan cares if the protagonist is Shepard or Ryder or a talking dog that shoots bees out of its mouth. A talking dog would be an improvement over a little duck I'm starting to believe that Ryder must have been an extremely well written character to have drawn such an emotional reaction from you... even if it is one of dislike. For that line alone, I think I'll vote for Bane Massani being the PC in the next ME game (although players would have to accept a male only PC and one with a very fixed personality (something not really in line with past ME games).
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Post by themikefest on Mar 25, 2019 20:50:05 GMT
A talking dog would be an improvement over a little duck I'm starting to believe that Ryder must have been an extremely well written character to have drawn such an emotional reaction from you... even if it is one of dislike. For that line alone, I think I'll vote for Bane Massani being the PC in the next ME game (although players would have to accept a male only PC and one with a very fixed personality (something not really in line with past ME games). Is that the answer you give to all the others who don't like the character?
I would not have a problem with Massani being the main character, if there's to be another game in Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 21:06:18 GMT
I'm starting to believe that Ryder must have been an extremely well written character to have drawn such an emotional reaction from you... even if it is one of dislike. For that line alone, I think I'll vote for Bane Massani being the PC in the next ME game (although players would have to accept a male only PC and one with a very fixed personality (something not really in line with past ME games). Is that the answer you give to all the others who don't like the character?
I would not have a problem with Massani being the main character, if there's to be another game in Andromeda.
To quote Anderson... "only with you, only with you?... but then again, you're the only one here expressing your dislike on such an "extreme" level. Most characters that are actually "meh" don't garner such emotionally filled statements as you frequently make. Fan hatred on that sort of level is usually reserved for rather well written villains. I would have no problem playing as Massani either... but it certainly wouldn't feel like Mass Effect with a fixed gender and personality PC. It would feel more like a generic action adventure game... Assassin's Creed, for example.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 26, 2019 1:39:50 GMT
A talking dog would be an improvement over a little duck I'm starting to believe that Ryder must have been an extremely well written character to have drawn such an emotional reaction from you... even if it is one of dislike. For that line alone, I think I'll vote for Bane Massani being the PC in the next ME game (although players would have to accept a male only PC and one with a very fixed personality (something not really in line with past ME games). So that would mean star wars fans loved jar jar binks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 5:11:17 GMT
I'm starting to believe that Ryder must have been an extremely well written character to have drawn such an emotional reaction from you... even if it is one of dislike. For that line alone, I think I'll vote for Bane Massani being the PC in the next ME game (although players would have to accept a male only PC and one with a very fixed personality (something not really in line with past ME games). So that would mean star wars fans loved jar jar binks. No, they disliked him... but he certainly wasn't a "meh" character. I believe he was intentionally written as a buffoon-type character and people really weren't supposed to like him. However, from that perspective, he's certainly stuck around in people's memories a long, long time. The other characters in that Trilogy of films, however, were pretty forgettable. Also, it's worth keeping in mind that there are a lot of other factors that went into all of that besides the writing... the acting and the directing had a lot to do with it as well.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 26, 2019 20:24:00 GMT
So that would mean star wars fans loved jar jar binks. No, they disliked him... but he certainly wasn't a "meh" character. I believe he was intentionally written as a buffoon-type character and people really weren't supposed to like him. However, from that perspective, he's certainly stuck around in people's memories a long, long time. The other characters in that Trilogy of films, however, were pretty forgettable. Also, it's worth keeping in mind that there are a lot of other factors that went into all of that besides the writing... the acting and the directing had a lot to do with it as well. He was supposed to be a lovable buffoon but it backfired. Also darth maul was a very notable character and probably had the best fight scene in the star wars franchise. Although I wish they had stuck with the fight scene the whole time rather then showing little anakin driving a fighter or whatever you want to call it. Still people were supposed to like jar jar binks and most didn't.
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