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Post by helios969 on Mar 17, 2019 12:43:32 GMT
70 hours: 6 legendary and 51 masterwork items. That's playing hard until level 30 and GM1 thereafter. The only non-legendary/masterwork is my support seal (starting to wonder if there is anything higher in that category). At any rate I'm not sure what there is to complain about. Any faster and people would already be maxed and then be complaining that Bioware made it too easy and there's no point in playing any longer. Personally I don't play for loot...if I'm not having fun better gear doesn't suddenly make it so. It's thrilling to get a high level item but I consider it a mere added bonus not my primary goal for playing.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 17, 2019 13:19:47 GMT
Cherry picking is not an accepted scientific method. The inability is not on my side. You wanted to talk about peak numbers but then present som NOT peak anecdotal numbers. At best that is disingenouos. "Print the twitch directory" as data? How about just checking a tracker? Wow impressive cherry picking skills. I check Twitch during peak hours where the viewer population is the largest for most games, which is European evenings. I also check North American evenings out of curiosity. Under 2k viewers is what can be observed by anyone during those hours. During European afternoons (North American mornings) the numbers are much lower, even under 1k. These numbers are not cherry picking. They are the numbers at large, the way they are usually presented. Thus I invited you to post a screenshot of Twitch directory showing us something different, which I am not aware to take place. Now the website Twitchtracker (which I am not sure whether it is a third party or not) present us daily peaks of over 3k viewers. These peaks, however, are very short bursts that lasts for about 1 to 1.5 hour long, and happen during European early afternoon, North American early hours and Asian evenings. These are not the numbers at large. They are short-living burst peaks that I reckon might occur because of some Asia-based twitcher or very late-night West Coaster. But even then, they last for so little time (frankly, hardly anyone streams for just 1 hour) that, in all honest, I myself don't know what is going on. Maybe some chick with a nice cleavage? I am not sure. Almost seems like an anomaly to me. Overall, the numbers I present are the numbers at large. They are what can be observed by anyone at Peak hours. I am not the one cherry picking. Your 1-hour-long-over 3k-viewers-wonder is the cherry picking here, sir. Moreover, even with this 1-hour-long-over 3k-viewers-wonder, Anthem is still significantly behind Destiny 2 and Warframe at their usual hours. And the overall viewer-base of Anthem has fallen sharply over the course of the last week. The loss of interest in the game as a fact still stands. Wow, a lot of words and all you end up saying can be condensed to "I like to cherry pick screw objectivity". I mean there are automatic trackers out there but instead we're supposed to put more credence into the 24/7 twitch browsing of one guy. Yeah right. 😎
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 17, 2019 13:34:49 GMT
Wow, a lot of words and all you end up saying can be condensed to "I like to cherry pick screw objectivity". I mean there are automatic trackers out there but instead we're supposed to put more credence into the 24/7 twitch browsing of one guy. Yeah right. 😎 Did you read everything I said? Ok, I will address your lack of interest in reading long, well elaborated texts and shorten the whole thing. Firstly: > 2k viewers for Anthem during Peak hours, European and American evenings, is the Norm, not cherry picking. Anyone who visits Twitch at those hours will see numbers such as those. < 3k viewers takes place for about one hour per day, outside of Peak hours (midday in Europe). For reasons I don't know (some very peculiar streamer, most likely). That is what the trackers are preseting. And something that takes place 1 hour per day is the real cherry picking here.Secondly: Interest in Anthem overall has fallen drastically. This extremely simple graph featuring 3 columns will show you just that (and by the way, March is not over yet, we can expect the overall numbers for March to be even lower as the weeks go by).
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 17, 2019 13:49:03 GMT
Wow, a lot of words and all you end up saying can be condensed to "I like to cherry pick screw objectivity". I mean there are automatic trackers out there but instead we're supposed to put more credence into the 24/7 twitch browsing of one guy. Yeah right. 😎 Did you read everything I said? Ok, I will address your lack of interest in reading long, well elaborated texts and shorten the whole thing. Firstly: > 2k viewers for Anthem during Peak hours, European and American evenings, is the Norm, not cherry picking. Anyone who visits Twitch at those hours will see numbers such as those. < 3k viewers takes place for about one hour per day, outside of Peak hours (midday in Europe). For reasons I don't know (some very peculiar streamer, most likely). That is what the trackers are preseting. And something that takes place 1 hour per day is the real cherry picking here.Secondly: Interest in Anthem overall has fallen drastically. This extremely simple graph featuring 3 columns will show you just that (and by the way, March is not over yet, we can expect the overall numbers for March to be even lower as the weeks go by). You're trying to argue with uber-fanboys, it's a waste of time.
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Post by aglomeracja on Mar 17, 2019 14:17:10 GMT
70 hours: 6 legendary and 51 masterwork items. That's playing hard until level 30 and GM1 thereafter. The only non-legendary/masterwork is my support seal (starting to wonder if there is anything higher in that category). At any rate I'm not sure what there is to complain about. Any faster and people would already be maxed and then be complaining that Bioware made it too easy and there's no point in playing any longer. Personally I don't play for loot...if I'm not having fun better gear doesn't suddenly make it so. It's thrilling to get a high level item but I consider it a mere added bonus not my primary goal for playing. People used to complain, because it's highly unlikely that you will get masterwork/legendaries with inscriptions that are any good. Most of them are junk, seemingly way worse than your blue or purple gear with good inscriptions.
Now people are complaining, because it turns out that the game scaling system makes all those little stats irrelevant, and the higher power level is the only thing that couts.
Plus, playing on GM2/3 wasn't rewarding you in any way, same goes for fighting Titans and other bosses, etc.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Mar 17, 2019 14:47:57 GMT
Did you read everything I said? Ok, I will address your lack of interest in reading long, well elaborated texts and shorten the whole thing. Firstly: > 2k viewers for Anthem during Peak hours, European and American evenings, is the Norm, not cherry picking. Anyone who visits Twitch at those hours will see numbers such as those. < 3k viewers takes place for about one hour per day, outside of Peak hours (midday in Europe). For reasons I don't know (some very peculiar streamer, most likely). That is what the trackers are preseting. And something that takes place 1 hour per day is the real cherry picking here.Secondly: Interest in Anthem overall has fallen drastically. This extremely simple graph featuring 3 columns will show you just that (and by the way, March is not over yet, we can expect the overall numbers for March to be even lower as the weeks go by). You're trying to argue with uber-fanboys, it's a waste of time.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 17, 2019 15:00:26 GMT
Wow, a lot of words and all you end up saying can be condensed to "I like to cherry pick screw objectivity". I mean there are automatic trackers out there but instead we're supposed to put more credence into the 24/7 twitch browsing of one guy. Yeah right. 😎 Did you read everything I said? Ok, I will address your lack of interest in reading long, well elaborated texts and shorten the whole thing. Firstly: > 2k viewers for Anthem during Peak hours, European and American evenings, is the Norm, not cherry picking. Anyone who visits Twitch at those hours will see numbers such as those. < 3k viewers takes place for about one hour per day, outside of Peak hours (midday in Europe). For reasons I don't know (some very peculiar streamer, most likely). That is what the trackers are preseting. And something that takes place 1 hour per day is the real cherry picking here.Secondly: Interest in Anthem overall has fallen drastically. This extremely simple graph featuring 3 columns will show you just that (and by the way, March is not over yet, we can expect the overall numbers for March to be even lower as the weeks go by). Wait, did you suggest that Anthem is the only game in history with a drop off post launch?
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Post by warden on Mar 17, 2019 15:05:15 GMT
what is truly sad is that a gacha game has better loot/rng than a triple a game.
if someone doesn't know what a gacha game is, i'll explain it in a very simple way. Basically a phone game designed to make quick money that relies on people gambling.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 17, 2019 15:59:13 GMT
Wait, did you suggest that Anthem is the only game in history with a drop off post launch? Nope. Games do lose players interest overall after some time. Singleplayer games do it faster than Multiplayer ones, obviously. One thing you fail to see is that not all drops are equal. Apex Legends, released a few days before Anthem, has fallen too, but still manages to get 60-90k viewers everyday. It is not the number #1 on Twitch as it once was, but it is there at #5 or #6 place. However, for a multiplayer-only looter-shooter game to drop all the way to >2k in three weeks, it is concerning to say the least. If Anthem had viewer-counts in the likes of 10k several hours per day, everyday, that drop would not have been as harsh. It would be a drop, but a sustainable one for a game of its category during its third week. Right now Anthem has 1.7k viewers on Twitch, sitting among games like Diablo II, Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Deus Ex: Making Divided (all of which are much older games) in terms of viewer-count. If you don't see a problem here, and if you think Anthem's drop is comparable to those of games like Apex Legends, then I'm afraid the problem lies in your failed interpretation of what a successful game is.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 17, 2019 16:20:33 GMT
Let's compare Anthem to a game of its own category: Destiny 2. Also a game that had a problematic launch, though mostly due to design decisions than bugs or lack of content.
These numbers are taken from Twitchtracker.com. A source claimed to be objective by some here. Here we go:
Destiny 2 release month: Sept 2017 - 26,287 viewers Destiny 2 second month: Oct 2017 - 15,928 viewers
Drop: 39.3%
Anthem release month: Feb 2019 - 13,630 viewers Anthem second month (ongoing) Mar 2019 - 4,102 viewers
Drop (so far): 69.9%
So I ask again: are all drops the same?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 17, 2019 16:37:42 GMT
Let's compare Anthem to a game of its own category: Destiny 2. Also a game that had a problematic launch, though mostly due to design decisions than bugs or lack of content. These numbers are taken from Twitchtracker.com. A source claimed to be objective by some here. Here we go: Destiny 2 release month: Sept 2017 - 26,287 viewers Destiny 2 second month: Oct 2017 - 15,928 viewers Drop: 39.3% Anthem release month: Feb 2019 - 13,630 viewers Anthem second month (ongoing) Mar 2019 - 4,102 viewers Drop (so far): 69.9% So I ask again: are all drops the same? It's about time Twitchtracker.com was mentioned. I was just about to post the same info. There's no cherrypicking when you have long-term stats tracking for comparison. Doubters, see for yourself: twitchtracker.com/games/460696The day-by-day graph on that front page tells the whole story. The number of channels is also significant, since hopeful streamers trying to build an audience will gravitate to the most popular games. Other comparisons for the same time period: Apex Legends stats: twitchtracker.com/games/511224Path of Exile (and old, old loot shooter, but with periodic updates, one of which just happened in March): twitchtracker.com/games/29307
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 17, 2019 17:58:39 GMT
Apex legends? Really? How about an even bigger strawman to compare Anthem with in Fortnite? And if Anthem don't measure up it's proof that it wasn't killed - it was murdered? Do you guys realise that Destiny was the most preordered game ever? Sold 6,3 millions excluding preorders and day one? Estimated at five million first week. Destiny 2 outsold Destiny. Destiny had 25 million players. Is it really what we're comparing Anthem with? Sure it would be cool if Anthem was that record breaking blockbuster but that is not what BioWare and EA are expecting. There is a nugget of interesting discussion to be had here if the strawmen and cherry picking could be left out. So Destiny2 february average. twitchtracker.com/games/497057 There is an average ranging from 2395 to 6885. Warframe february average? twitchtracker.com/games/66170 996-4558. Most of the days it is really around 1200. There are some dev streams and twitch drops skewing the numbers surely. These are between content drops for Destiny and Warframe. So will BioWare give us twitch drops? Will Anthem stay at current level? Rise towards Destiny with new content drop? Fall to Warframe levels? Stabilise at 1500-1700 average viewers? Is that bad? Anthems numbers can hardly be proof of impending doom though seeing as a game like Warframe is very much alive and kicking despite a very sharp viewer drop off post last content drop (22-9-2). Edit: Bah. My links reset the timeframe in the graph. Edit2: Yup, I'm sorry for the links not working like I had hoped. But basically I zoomed feb 1-28 for clarity. Average, not peak.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 17, 2019 19:02:09 GMT
The Division2 will be a good game to compare twitch interest against. Have it be released a couple of weeks, account for the PvP interest and also for the established IP and compare the trending.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 17, 2019 19:18:56 GMT
Apex legends? Really? How about an even bigger strawman to compare Anthem with in Fortnite? And if Anthem don't measure up it's proof that it wasn't killed - it was murdered? Do you guys realise that Destiny was the most preordered game ever? Sold 6,3 millions excluding preorders and day one? Estimated at five million first week. Destiny 2 outsold Destiny. Destiny had 25 million players. Is it really what we're comparing Anthem with? Sure it would be cool if Anthem was that record breaking blockbuster but that is not what BioWare and EA are expecting. There is a nugget of interesting discussion to be had here if the strawmen and cherry picking could be left out. So Destiny2 february average. twitchtracker.com/games/497057 There is an average ranging from 2395 to 6885. Warframe february average? twitchtracker.com/games/66170 996-4558. Most of the days it is really around 1200. There are some dev streams and twitch drops skewing the numbers surely. These are between content drops for Destiny and Warframe. So will BioWare give us twitch drops? Will Anthem stay at current level? Rise towards Destiny with new content drop? Fall to Warframe levels? Stabilise at 1500-1700 average viewers? Is that bad? Anthems numbers can hardly be proof of impending doom though seeing as a game like Warframe is very much alive and kicking despite a very sharp viewer drop off post last content drop (22-9-2). Edit: Bah. My links reset the timeframe in the graph. Wait, weren't we talking about drops? I was not comparing Anthem's success (or lack thereof) to Destiny's 2 success, but rather the drop of both games. You are the one cherry picking things that have nothing to do with what was mentioned (such as sales, pre-orders) in order to justify that Anthem should not be compared to Destiny 2 in any shape or form because Anthem is, apparently, a far lesser game (and if is, I don't know why on earth you still go to such extent to defend it). Well, pal, I think you lack some text interpretation on the matter. But let me explain to you briefly: I mentioned the proportion of the drops. We are talking percentage here. It does not matter how the sales went, the percentage evens the ground for both games. Destiny 2 had a rough start, and it drop almost 40% in terms of Twitch viewership on its second month. Anthem dropped 70% (and counting) on its second month. So yes, Anthem dropped far harder. Anthem is not the first game to have such drop (answering your question more directly now), but its drop is one of the worst ones coming from this genre. Also, you said that Destiny 2 was pretty low in terms of views on February 2019, so it justifies Anthem having such poor views three weeks post-release? Pal, Destiny 2 was released September 2017. February 2019 is 17 months later. You are definitely the greatest cherry picker I've seen on this part of BSN.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 17, 2019 19:51:49 GMT
Apex legends? Really? How about an even bigger strawman to compare Anthem with in Fortnite? And if Anthem don't measure up it's proof that it wasn't killed - it was murdered? Do you guys realise that Destiny was the most preordered game ever? Sold 6,3 millions excluding preorders and day one? Estimated at five million first week. Destiny 2 outsold Destiny. Destiny had 25 million players. Is it really what we're comparing Anthem with? Sure it would be cool if Anthem was that record breaking blockbuster but that is not what BioWare and EA are expecting. There is a nugget of interesting discussion to be had here if the strawmen and cherry picking could be left out. So Destiny2 february average. twitchtracker.com/games/497057 There is an average ranging from 2395 to 6885. Warframe february average? twitchtracker.com/games/66170 996-4558. Most of the days it is really around 1200. There are some dev streams and twitch drops skewing the numbers surely. These are between content drops for Destiny and Warframe. So will BioWare give us twitch drops? Will Anthem stay at current level? Rise towards Destiny with new content drop? Fall to Warframe levels? Stabilise at 1500-1700 average viewers? Is that bad? Anthems numbers can hardly be proof of impending doom though seeing as a game like Warframe is very much alive and kicking despite a very sharp viewer drop off post last content drop (22-9-2). Edit: Bah. My links reset the timeframe in the graph. Wait, weren't we talking about drops? I was not comparing Anthem's success (or lack thereof) to Destiny's 2 success, but rather the drop of both games. You are the one cherry picking things that have nothing to do with what was mentioned (such as sales, pre-orders) in order to justify that Anthem should not be compared to Destiny 2 in any shape or form because Anthem is, apparently, a far lesser game (and if is, I don't know why on earth you still go to such extent to defend it). Well, pal, I think you lack some text interpretation on the matter. But let me explain to you briefly: I mentioned the proportion of the drops. We are talking percentage here. It does not matter how the sales went, the percentage evens the ground for both games. Destiny 2 had a rough start, and it drop almost 40% in terms of Twitch viewership on its second month. Anthem dropped 70% (and counting) on its second month. So yes, Anthem dropped far harder. Anthem is not the first game to have such drop (answering your question more directly now), but its drop is one of the worst ones coming from this genre. Also, you said that Destiny 2 was pretty low in terms of views on February 2019, so it justifies Anthem having such poor views three weeks post-release? Pal, Destiny 2 was released September 2017. February 2019 is 17 months later. You are definitely the greatest cherry picker I've seen on this part of BSN. No what you did was claim that Anthems peak viewership was lower than it de facto is/was. Then you started moving goalposts.
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