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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 21:25:00 GMT
Well, I probably should have been more specific. I like the idea of Shepard dying instead while preventing the crucible from firing; but probably wouldn't want to introduce a playable section regarding it to a sequel game set 1000 or so years later. Cinematic flashback as someone relates a legend to us, sure. (As a note - I wasn't a fan at all of the sections of TW3 where we played as Ciri and this would fall into the same sort of thing AFAICS). Well Keep in mind that, many players would love to play as Shepard again, why not give them that in a passing a torch moment. Either way, poorly implemented flashback or playable section, fans will be pissed off. I thought it has been well established that certain segments of the fans base will be pissed off no matter what Bioware does. Some have even stated they will be pissed off until Bioware goes under completely. With that wide a variance of opinion, it's really just a matter of which segment of the fan base gets pissed off, which ones get less pissed off, and which ones are ultimately at least somewhat satisfied by what Bioware does.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2019 21:44:22 GMT
Well Keep in mind that, many players would love to play as Shepard again, why not give them that in a passing a torch moment. Either way, poorly implemented flashback or playable section, fans will be pissed off. I thought it has been well established that certain segments of the fans base will be pissed off no matter what Bioware does. Some have even stated they will be pissed off until Bioware goes under completely. With that wide a variance of opinion, it's really just a matter of which segment of the fan base gets pissed off, which ones get less pissed off, and which ones are ultimately at least somewhat satisfied by what Bioware does. Well The question how big of the backlash does bioware wants is the question. The more poorly the flashback or playable section, the greater the backlash. Lets face it, Fans are easily pissed off. For example, I do wonder how many fans will be pissed off if a Cerberus Phantom was a Player Character, even if he is well written.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 22:42:14 GMT
I thought it has been well established that certain segments of the fans base will be pissed off no matter what Bioware does. Some have even stated they will be pissed off until Bioware goes under completely. With that wide a variance of opinion, it's really just a matter of which segment of the fan base gets pissed off, which ones get less pissed off, and which ones are ultimately at least somewhat satisfied by what Bioware does. Well The question how big of the backlash does bioware wants is the question. The more poorly the flashback or playable section, the greater the backlash. Lets face it, Fans are easily pissed off. For example, I do wonder how many fans will be pissed off if a Cerberus Phantom was a Player Character, even if he is well written. We'll just have to wait to see what Bioware actually does and what actually happens.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2019 22:47:25 GMT
I thought it has been well established that certain segments of the fans base will be pissed off no matter what Bioware does. Some have even stated they will be pissed off until Bioware goes under completely. With that wide a variance of opinion, it's really just a matter of which segment of the fan base gets pissed off, which ones get less pissed off, and which ones are ultimately at least somewhat satisfied by what Bioware does. Well The question how big of the backlash does bioware wants is the question. The more poorly the flashback or playable section, the greater the backlash. Lets face it, Fans are easily pissed off. For example, I do wonder how many fans will be pissed off if a Cerberus Phantom was a Player Character, even if he is well written. So long as the evil oppressors, the Citadel Council, are the main villains, then sign me up. 😁
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 22:49:58 GMT
For example, I do wonder how many fans will be pissed off if a Cerberus Phantom was a Player Character, even if he is well written. Or how pi**ed off the MEA fanbase would be to learn that Cora is really TIM's daughter and during MEA2 she learns about her father, and takes charge of Cerberus, who traveled to Andromeda to help humanity, be the TID(The Illusive Daughter)? .
Or how pi**ed off they would be to learn that MEA was a dream Shepard had while buried under the rubble on the Citadel. She/he wakes up saying what-the-**** did I just dream about?
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2019 22:51:39 GMT
Well The question how big of the backlash does bioware wants is the question. The more poorly the flashback or playable section, the greater the backlash. Lets face it, Fans are easily pissed off. For example, I do wonder how many fans will be pissed off if a Cerberus Phantom was a Player Character, even if he is well written. We'll just have to wait to see what Bioware actually does and what actually happens. I do admit my ideas are just my own ideas, So me saying anything is just a fantasy.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 22:54:06 GMT
We'll just have to wait to see what Bioware actually does and what actually happens. I do admit my ideas are just my own ideas, So me saying anything is just a fantasy. I would like to have one of your ideas happen. If only to see the number of threads that are created from folks moaning and groaning about Cerberus.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2019 22:59:45 GMT
I do admit my ideas are just my own ideas, So me saying anything is just a fantasy. I would like to have one of your ideas happen. If only to see the number of threads that are created from folks moaning and groaning about Cerberus. Even more so when Liara gets decapitated! The Liaramancers will be crying out in rage! 😂😈😂
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2019 23:18:34 GMT
Well The question how big of the backlash does bioware wants is the question. The more poorly the flashback or playable section, the greater the backlash. Lets face it, Fans are easily pissed off. For example, I do wonder how many fans will be pissed off if a Cerberus Phantom was a Player Character, even if he is well written. So long as the evil oppressors, the Citadel Council, are the main villains, then sign me up. 😁 Well there will be a very uncomfortable side to the Citadel Council that opens the door up for dirty cops and other nasty individuals like Saren. Type of people that a bullet in the head would do everyone on the Citadel(humans and aliens alike) a favor. Geniunely nasty politicians are funding various criminal organizations to gain more power. Many of these politicians have an invested interest in not having Quarians a home world and not having any political power within Citadel Space. Think of the U.N. and their intentions and them having corrupted members within their organization. There will be humans that are uncomfortable with the System Alliance's powerbase and happen violence between Batarian and System Alliance and these humans is going to break up the System Alliance from the inside and work with More Racist elements within Citadel space to block all of the System Alliances advantages. Also One of my other ideas is that Liara put a hit on herself because she understood that she is too indoctrinated by the Reapers to be helpful or any use to the Player.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 23:25:07 GMT
What if there are aliens that support Cerberus? Cerberus recruits them then has them replace the council members who are killed off.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2019 23:55:55 GMT
What if there are aliens that support Cerberus? Cerberus recruits them then has them replace the council members who are killed off. Well that would be an interesting take on Human Aliens relationships. The Main reasons that Aliens would be interested in help both System Alliance and Cerberus is to have more level playing field that Diversity, Diplomacy and Healthy Self Interests would help everyone in the end. For example, Paragon Cerberus Phantom is the type of Cerberus Phantom that is still respected within Cerberus for being an Effective Agent for Cerberus and Humanity's Self Interest while Aliens would respect him for being a diplomatic Agent. Renegade Cerberus Phantom can be a racist but no less effective of an Effect Cerberus Agent. Best way I would describe the Difference between a Paragon and a Renegade is a scalpel and a hammer with a healthy dose of nuance for roleplaying. In short, you can be a complete gentleman if your CP recruits Aliens on his team and still not be a complete Paragon or Renegade character. For example, preventing a Turian Civil War would be one of his missions because the side effects is that it would pull System Alliance and Cerberus into a Civil War that they would waste resources on. Also Either Arresting or Killing a Brilliant Asari Engineer that was personally responsible for a Massive Terrorist Attack on the Citadel. Shutting Down a Bio Weapons Lab from A STG Break-away Black Ops that is developing Xenomorphs like War Breasts(think Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Meets Aliens(film series)). I do need to refine this idea that the Citadel produces a mild indoctrination field and encourages the slow barely noticable decline of people and encourages stupidity in general. Stronger Will individual like Shepard, Anderson and certain individuals will resist more than those are of a weaker will. One of factions that I am slowly developing is Paragon Of Our Kind is a Pro Alien Human organization and their centers will have slight increase in indoctrination field without making them less effective Reaper Sleeper Agents. They are weird acting on one on one basis and most of them are harmless on their own but the true danger of them is that they will get into positions of power to lower the defenses of key locations to make it easier Reapers' plans work more smoothly. And they help them indirectly by sowing Citadel into Discord. Also Aliens will not be treated as inferior to Humans but they will be better specialized. Asari will be better biotics; Salarian will be Better Tech Specialists(some of them will put the Cerberus Scientists to shame); Turians will be Better Soldiers with superb organization skills; Krogans will be Superb Berserkers that are hard to kill and put out a lot of damage; and other aliens will be good at what they do. There will be no true Mary Sue Species or individuals.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 7, 2019 3:51:10 GMT
If the game takes place 1000 years in the future, it really won't be much different from MEA. At least thematically.
Bingo! That was the whole point of my setting it 1000 years in the future idea.
And such a huge change would likely please fans as much as moving to Andromeda did...
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Post by Ieldra on Jul 7, 2019 15:41:23 GMT
Bingo! That was the whole point of my setting it 1000 years in the future idea.
And such a huge change would likely please fans as much as moving to Andromeda did... People should really get over it. Some stories can't have meaningful sequels that connect to the earlier story, and this is one of them. Unless you canonize an ending, that is, because you can't play in a world that accomodates world states as different as those created by ME3's endings. Apart from that, there's no way to please everyone so they shouldn't try, and instead just continue the story as they want to, and if some people raise shitstorms about it, well, these days people raise shitstorms about everything. Time to learn to ignore them I say.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 7, 2019 17:44:38 GMT
And such a huge change would likely please fans as much as moving to Andromeda did... People should really get over it. Some stories can't have meaningful sequels that connect to the earlier story, and this is one of them. Unless you canonize an ending, that is, because you can't play in a world that accomodates world states as different as those created by ME3's endings. Apart from that, there's no way to please everyone so they shouldn't try, and instead just continue the story as they want to, and if some people raise shitstorms about it, well, these days people raise shitstorms about everything. Time to learn to ignore them I say. No argument that you can't crate a meaningful "ME4" without canonizing an ending. Which would, of course, be a huge can of worms in itself. Basically, Mass Effect can't proceed without a total reboot. Bioware shouldn't try. Not with Andromeda. Not with the Milky Way. They torched the franchise with ME3 and they need to accept it. If they want to do a scifi shooter/rpg they should either completely reboot Mass Effect, or create a new scifi shooter/rpg (that's not Anthem) and start over completely, with the lessons they learned from Mass Effect in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 19:14:30 GMT
And such a huge change would likely please fans as much as moving to Andromeda did... People should really get over it. Some stories can't have meaningful sequels that connect to the earlier story, and this is one of them. Unless you canonize an ending, that is, because you can't play in a world that accomodates world states as different as those created by ME3's endings. Apart from that, there's no way to please everyone so they shouldn't try, and instead just continue the story as they want to, and if some people raise shitstorms about it, well, these days people raise shitstorms about everything. Time to learn to ignore them I say. Essentially the same thing I've been saying - that they should continue the story however they want to and we'll just have to wait to see what happens. I disagree in that I feel Andromeda can become a very good story and that no canon ending to the MET need ever be created.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 8, 2019 17:54:54 GMT
Has EA given any statement as to why no dlc for Andromeda? I know there's been speculation as to why. Whatever the reason is, it's possible that same reason could be used to not have a sequel to MEA.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 8, 2019 19:36:38 GMT
Has EA given any statement as to why no dlc for Andromeda? I know there's been speculation as to why. Whatever the reason is, it's possible that same reason could be used to not have a sequel to MEA. Tacit acknowledgement that the game under-performed...but you'll never get official acknowledgement. There's no real upside for them to crush the pipe-dreamers around here. I'd step on their collective necks like a Cerberus boot on a Vorcha's...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 21:05:19 GMT
Has EA given any statement as to why no dlc for Andromeda? I know there's been speculation as to why. Whatever the reason is, it's possible that same reason could be used to not have a sequel to MEA. Tacit acknowledgement that the game under-performed...but you'll never get official acknowledgement. There's no real upside for them to crush the pipe-dreamers around here. I'd step on their collective necks like a Cerberus boot on a Vorcha's... Meh... I'm willing to just wait to see whatever they announce whenever they decide to announce something. There's no point in speculating about anything about it, positive or negative... doesn't matter.
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Post by Ascend on Jul 15, 2019 15:39:49 GMT
I will never understand the attachment to the Milky Way. The Mass Effect trilogy could have been set in any other milky way and everything would have been exactly the same. The game being in the Milky Way or not does not change its viability, quality, or anything of importance. The only thing that would be different would be the name of the home planet and solar system of humans, i.e. some irrelevant lore. The trilogy could have happened in Andromeda with humans fleeing to the Milky Way to start again, and people would be advocating for the game to continue in Andromeda. The location is a non-issue. The issues of the franchise are elsewhere.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 15, 2019 15:47:19 GMT
I will never understand the attachment to the Milky Way. The Mass Effect trilogy could have been set in any other milky way and everything would have been exactly the same. The game being in the Milky Way or not does not change its viability, quality, or anything of importance. The only thing that would be different would be the name of the home planet and solar system of humans, i.e. some irrelevant lore. The trilogy could have happened in Andromeda with humans fleeing to the Milky Way to start again, and people would be advocating for the game to continue in Andromeda. The location is a non-issue. The issues of the franchise are elsewhere. Lore is never irrelevant. It's the crucial building blocks that hold stories together. If you were to say that the Milky Way galaxy isn't crucial to space operas in general,you would be right. Each story is unique. As long as the story remained consistent with its own lore, we can judge the story on its own merits. But Mass Effect was set in the Milky Way, at a point where humanity was still taking its first steps into that wider galaxy, and making a name for itself in that community. Andromeda throws that all away, makes it irrelevant.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 16, 2019 13:36:10 GMT
So long as the evil oppressors, the Citadel CouncilTevos is a sweetheart, you monster.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 16, 2019 13:39:37 GMT
So long as the evil oppressors, the Citadel CouncilTevos is a sweetheart, you monster. Yeah, as target practice....😈
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 16, 2019 13:44:43 GMT
Tevos is a sweetheart, you monster. Yeah, as target practice....😈 Never. I will protect her with my entire fifth fleet.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 16, 2019 13:58:05 GMT
My fleet trumps yours. 😛 FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!! There's a Trump joke in there. Any takers?
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