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Post by colfoley on May 23, 2019 19:28:38 GMT
the only atrocity I can think of her committing off the top of my head was killing that one guy... who happened to be a slaver. I mean sure she could go all Daenerys T on us and burn down a city later.... but unless you know something of the deep lore she only struck military targets. And everything she had the Venatori do to serve Corypheus. And all the people she killed directly. And simply willingly serving Corypheus as he committed all his atrocitiies with both her faction as well as all his others.Β Also funny you mention burning a city, since that's exactly what she has her Venatori do to Denerim, only stopped if you have the Qunari as allies and make the right choices. If you make the wrong choices, half of Denerim is wiped out.Β I knew I was forgetting something.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 23, 2019 19:30:16 GMT
I don't get what you mean by your first line about upseting her and Inquisition. Simple i really doubt that our new DA 4 Hero can offend Harding and therefore the Inquisition. I really like Varric even in DAI and i would assume also 99% of DAI playerbase. I would really hate DA4 if the game forced to play as boring Inquisitior again.
The Inquisition have won and she have lost. There should be a time when you should forgive your beaten enemy.
Or do still want to kill everyone who was hossile towards or disprize the Inquisition? Well in this case Thedas would be a wasteland.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 23, 2019 19:33:36 GMT
I don't get what you mean by your first line about upseting her and Inquisition. Simple i really doubt that our new DA 4 Hero can offend Harding and therefore the Inquisition. I really like Varric even in DAI and i would assume also 99% of DAI playerbase. I would really hate DA4 if the game forced to play as boring Inquisitior again.
The Inquisition have won and she have lost. There should be a time when you should forgive your beaten enemy.
Or do still want to kill everyone who was hossile towards or disprize the Inquisition? Well in this case Thedas would be a wasteland.
Goodie for you. Don't care. Now you gave me another reason to want the Inquisitor back as the protagonist. By that logic the Nazi war criminals that escaped should have been pardoned and forgiven because they lost the war. THe fact your side lost doesn't absolve you of your crimes, hence things like war criminal trials. No, I just want to kill monsters who killed and ruined countless lives.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 23, 2019 19:58:54 GMT
By that logic the Nazi war criminals that escaped should have been pardoned and forgiven because they lost the war. THe fact your side lost doesn't absolve you of your crimes, hence things like war criminal trials. No, I just want to kill monsters who killed and ruined countless lives. Funny that you mention this. Its kind of obvious that English isnΒ΄t my native language but so yeah i am German. I donΒ΄t deny that were big Nazi assholes who deserves to die but there also Germans/Austrians who just have followed orders in order to survive or even respected Generals like Rommel.
War even WW2 isnΒ΄t / wasnΒ΄t always Black and White.
So thank God for my existence that the Allies didnΒ΄t punished all Germans for this.
But in Calpernia defense she isnΒ΄t responsible for of all the Venatori crimes and also she she didnΒ΄t slaugher a whole race. The best example would be the Hissing Wastes if Calpernia really have knowledge about this operation she clearly had stop the sklavery. Edit: Also Calpernia was a puppetleader. She cleary have no power or authority without Corypheus.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 23, 2019 21:39:33 GMT
By that logic the Nazi war criminals that escaped should have been pardoned and forgiven because they lost the war. THe fact your side lost doesn't absolve you of your crimes, hence things like war criminal trials. No, I just want to kill monsters who killed and ruined countless lives. Funny that you mention this. Its kind of obvious that English isnΒ΄t my native language but so yeah i am German. I donΒ΄t deny that were big Nazi assholes who deserves to die but there also Germans/Austrians who just have followed orders in order to survive or even respected Generals like Rommel.
War even WW2 isnΒ΄t / wasnΒ΄t always Black and White.
So thank God for my existence that the Allies didnΒ΄t punished all Germans for this.
But in Calpernia defense she isnΒ΄t responsible for of all the Venatori crimes and also she she didnΒ΄t slaugher a whole race. The best example would be the Hissing Wastes if Calpernia really have knowledge about this operation she clearly had stop the sklavery. Edit: Also Calpernia was a puppetleader. She cleary have no power or authority without Corypheus.
And I never said they should have punished all the German soldiers (though I don't put much stock in the 'Just following orders' defense, especially for people like the camp guards). Likewise there were many Allies that should have been punished like Harris, Lemay, a bunch of Soviet leaders, a bunch of soldiers from all nations, etc. However, Calpernia was not a Rommel. She was a Goering. Even if not responsible for all the atrocities the Venatori committed, she was responsible for a lot of them. Her actions and orders she willingly did as I said ended or ruined the lives of tens of thousands of people, and she needs to be punished for that.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 26, 2019 17:44:51 GMT
Lets see: -From DAO: They're all chill. -From DA2: Anders and Fenris, I don't want to see those whiny edgelords ever again (even if i already killed them ) -From DAI: Solas Maybe Vivienne. and that's for companions. Now for secondary characters... sheesh idk... might update later...
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Post by sugarless on May 30, 2019 1:13:54 GMT
Bianca Davri. Unless I get to punch her.
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Post by President of Boom on Jun 5, 2019 0:34:02 GMT
Leliana *ugh* and Mother Giselle *quadruple, progressively increasing in volume ugh*
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 5, 2019 0:43:30 GMT
The Inquisitor.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 5, 2019 0:47:26 GMT
Knew you would respond to that. π
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Post by river82 on Jun 5, 2019 7:31:01 GMT
seconded, thirded, and fourthed.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jun 5, 2019 17:42:23 GMT
Basically every character from the games or books who visually in DAI Singleplayer. So no Alistair, Anora, Avexis, Bianca Davri, Briala, Cassandra, Celene, Cole, Connor, Corypheus, Cullen, Dagna, Fiona, Flemeth, Gaspard, Hawke, Imshael, Justina V (the former Dorothea) Kieran, Leliana, Loghain, Michel De Chevin, Mihres, Morrigan, Samson, Stroud, Arl Teagan (hate hate this guy) and Varric.
But Isabela (Multiplayer) or Tallis (Wartable and Trespasser letter) for example are still welcome to return.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 6, 2019 10:04:44 GMT
There's no one that I'd hate to see but there are a few I'm not interested in seeing ever again.
Oghren, Zevran, Anders, Carver, Sebastian...
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jun 9, 2019 12:33:45 GMT
I don't want to see anyone return, besides my beloved Cassandra.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 9, 2019 17:28:06 GMT
Pretty much anyone from Inquisition, from minor to major.
Hell I'd like if a rock fell on Solas and killed him so it could potentially have a actually interesting antagonist rather than a bald elf.
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Post by adni on Jul 6, 2019 16:03:06 GMT
Vivienne, Isabella, Fenris, Liliana and Cullen
Vivienne, because i can't stand her Isabella, because she is horrible Fenris - because..just because Liliana , because she is busy being the Divine and Cullen, because his story is basically done
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Post by DragonEffect on Jul 15, 2019 0:15:21 GMT
Which characters I don't want to see from now on. It's a short list:
- Angsty elf who is a former slave or broken inside.
- Cute naive elf who makes really dumb choices in life and needs your protection.
- Angry elf that hates humans on principle for no rational reason and wants to kill them all.
(Why can't we have someone like Ameridan in our party for a change? A clever, sensible elf with no shady past, no racism toward anyone and natural leadership skills? Must all elves be deeply troubled individuals?)
- Smartass who tries to be funny all the time and ends up only telling lame jokes.
- Bisexual rogue who tries to shag everyone and has never heard of STD. Actually, anyone with a clever tongue trying to get in your pants ASAP, really.
- Mysterious witch who's actually oblivious as to how the world works and speaks in riddles to try and sound mysterious.
- Mage who complains about templars or oppression all the time.
- Rebel mage who resorts to blood magic because [INSERT WHATEVER HALF-ASSED REASON YOU WANT HERE].
- Wise elderly or ancient character who's actually trying to tell you what to do all the f_cking time and silently judging your every decision.
- Strong, silent warrior who can't say more than two words without sounding like someone who believes women belong in the kitchen.
- Handsome templar/warrior/male-figure-created-solely-for-fanservice who needs your help AND LOVE to overcome the shadows of his past and become a functional human being again.
- Laidback guy/girl who likes to drink, socialize and bring everyone together for an evening of fun and games. Even companions who'd like nothing more than to murder each other.
- Fangirl who's barely met you and is already desperate to get in bed with her sempai (aka you) while denying her affection for you at every turn.
- Foulmouthed character who doesn't give a f_ck about anything, is rude and vulgar to every party member and is pretty much useless to the plot.
etc etc etc. Just give us normal characters. No stereotypes. No mysterious witches, sexualized rogues, rebel mages or valiant knights. Just normal, relatable people with an interesting backstory in our party, thank you.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 15, 2019 8:11:14 GMT
Which characters I don't want to see from now on. It's a short list: - Angsty elf who is a former slave or broken inside. - Cute naive elf who makes really dumb choices in life and needs your protection. - Angry elf that hates humans on principle for no rational reason and wants to kill them all. (Why can't we have someone like Ameridan in our party for a change? A clever, sensible elf with no shady past, no racism toward anyone and natural leadership skills? Must all elves be deeply troubled individuals?) - Smartass who tries to be funny all the time and ends up only telling lame jokes. - Bisexual rogue who tries to shag everyone and has never heard of STD. Actually, anyone with a clever tongue trying to get in your pants ASAP, really. - Mysterious witch who's actually oblivious as to how the world works and speaks in riddles to try and sound mysterious. - Mage complains about templars or oppression all the time. - Rebel mage who resorts to blood magic because [INSERT WHATEVER HALF-ASSED REASON YOU WANT HERE]. - Wise elderly or ancient character who's actually trying to tell you what to do all the f_cking time and silently judging your every decision. - Strong, silent warrior who can't say more than two words without sounding like someone who believes women belong in the kitchen. - Handsome templar/warrior/male-figure-created-solely-for-fanservice who needs your help AND LOVE to overcome the shadows of his past and become a functional human being again. - Laidback guy/girl who likes to drink, socialize and bring everyone together for an evening of fun and games. Even companions who'd like nothing more than to murder each other. - Fangirl who's barely met you and is already desperate to get in bed with her sempai (aka you) while denying her affection for you at every turn. - Foulmouthed character who doesn't give a f_ck about anything, is rude and vulgar to every party member and is pretty much useless to thWEe plot. etc etc etc. Just give us normal characters. No stereotypes. No mysterious witches, sexualized rogues, rebel mages or valiant knights. Just normal, relatable people with an interesting backstory in our party, thank you. I don't think, you get more rebel mages. Tevinter, remember? We will get rebel slaves (I hope...) Oh, of course, according to you, perhaps a rebel slave just as "boring" like a rebel mage... just "whines" and does things against their master... Who is "normal" or "relatable" (I found Anders quite relatable, by the way...)? Who supports their prison/master, because they understand they deserve to be prisoners/slaves? An elf is normal, who loves to be hunted and separated in Alienage? No shady past? Just normal people who live a normal life? Do you want to leave Thedas? Thedas is shady. Or just want to play a character who lives a happy life, and do nothing? What do you want? You love anyone in DA beside Ameridan? I think, you just don't like Dragon Age characters... or don't understand them, if you think, Fenris just "angsty", Merrill is "cute", "naive" and "dumb". Velanna just "hate and kill humans", Zevran and Isabela just "wants to get in your pants", and Anders just "complains" without reasons.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jul 15, 2019 9:59:00 GMT
Which characters I don't want to see from now on. It's a short list: Thank you for putting my thoughts into words, saves me the typing.
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Jul 15, 2019 12:34:24 GMT
Which characters I don't want to see from now on. It's a short list: - Angsty elf who is a former slave or broken inside. - Cute naive elf who makes really dumb choices in life and needs your protection. - Angry elf that hates humans on principle for no rational reason and wants to kill them all. ...Ye, the fucking elves really annoy.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jul 15, 2019 13:33:55 GMT
Elves. Fricken emo longears. Which characters I don't want to see from now on. It's a short list: - Angsty elf who is a former slave or broken inside. - Cute naive elf who makes really dumb choices in life and needs your protection. - Angry elf that hates humans on principle for no rational reason and wants to kill them all. ...Ye, the fucking elves really annoy.
One is an anomaly. Two are a trend. Get the Varterral over here!
Okay, what about fellow elf-hater Sera then?
With that being said, I would like to see elves (especially Dalish) that aren't depicted overwhelmingly negative just in order to make andrastian humans more attractive. All while downplaying most bad parts about Andrastianism. Amerdian isn't particularly great example either, as he happily runs off dragon hunting for his 'friend' Drakon, with the specifics of that relation are never covered beyond 'they were', which is odd given Drakon's attitudes on anybody that did not agree with him. All the while the situation at Halamshiral goes worse and Amerdian not being there to mediate.
Regarding individual characters: - Varric and Alistair. I don't hate them but their stories are already concluded in one way or the other. - Cullen. I'm not overly fond of him and his story is pretty much finished as well.
- Divine Victoria. Any involvement of hers that hint at her policies and therefore hint at who took the throne even if no name is directly stated. (Semi-)Canonize one candidate and you will get backlash of all who want somebody else. Cassandra, Leliana and Vivienne. For the reasons stated above. Having any of them any capacity means she's not Victoria and that is going to piss off some people, again. Leliana on a special note, as she got more than enough screen time.
- Mainstream / Conservative Andrastians. Thanks, we had enough of them over three games, with DAI giving us mostly these as party members and advisors. (Josie, Cass, Cullen, Blackwall, Sera, Varric, Vivienne. Dorian might count as well)
- Sera. Don't like her fart humor and her 'token elf-hater' attitude.
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Post by Ieldra on Jul 19, 2019 12:53:19 GMT
Which characters I don't want to see from now on. It's a short list: [...] The thing is, everyone is a trope. Or several. There isn't a character in fiction, or a person IRL, that you couldn't describe with a line that reduces them to their tropes, and be more or less correct. So your list is useless since everyone could be included, and if you actually said what kind of character you want, I could reply with a line that reduces them to their tropes.
Having said that, of course some tropes can be too common, or too extreme. DA2's companions all came across to me as extreme realizations of a type. And yes, this was annoying. However, DAI's were mostly well-realized, and not usually extreme. Neither were all of DAO's.
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Post by duckley on Jul 23, 2019 15:39:30 GMT
Funny that you mention this. Its kind of obvious that English isnΒ΄t my native language but so yeah i am German. I donΒ΄t deny that were big Nazi assholes who deserves to die but there also Germans/Austrians who just have followed orders in order to survive or even respected Generals like Rommel.
War even WW2 isnΒ΄t / wasnΒ΄t always Black and White.
So thank God for my existence that the Allies didnΒ΄t punished all Germans for this.
But in Calpernia defense she isnΒ΄t responsible for of all the Venatori crimes and also she she didnΒ΄t slaugher a whole race. The best example would be the Hissing Wastes if Calpernia really have knowledge about this operation she clearly had stop the sklavery. Edit: Also Calpernia was a puppetleader. She cleary have no power or authority without Corypheus.
And I never said they should have punished all the German soldiers (though I don't put much stock in the 'Just following orders' defense, especially for people like the camp guards). Likewise there were many Allies that should have been punished like Harris, Lemay, a bunch of Soviet leaders, a bunch of soldiers from all nations, etc. However, Calpernia was not a Rommel. She was a Goering. Even if not responsible for all the atrocities the Venatori committed, she was responsible for a lot of them. Her actions and orders she willingly did as I said ended or ruined the lives of tens of thousands of people, and she needs to be punished for that. I just want to shout out to both of you - sometimes I wonder if anyone knows history never mind understands it! Good discussion, good analogies, civil discussion,. My faith is renewed.
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