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Post by fylimar on Aug 11, 2020 20:49:01 GMT
I'm ok with Bloodlines 2 being delayed to 2021 - better wait a bit more and have a good game, than a rushed release and tons of bugs.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 12, 2020 11:50:27 GMT
NUU Not to surprising considering how the pandemic is slowing down development. It's lucky video games are something that can continue to be worked on from home at all, can't do that with tv shows and movies.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 13, 2020 17:02:00 GMT
at the "3 kind of game producers" and the "I will not explain"...
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Post by azarhal on Aug 19, 2020 15:13:20 GMT
About Alexandre Mandryka, the guy is a consultant who focus on coaching dev teams to improve development, focusing on the creative aspect.
My guess, the game reviewed poorly in playtesting and have been falling a bit into development hell because of it.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 19, 2020 16:42:06 GMT
Paradox didn't mention who is the lead narrative now which makes me think that this part of the game is done and unlikely to change. It's not like they are going to erase all his work from the game.
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Post by Kymira on Aug 19, 2020 16:52:41 GMT
It's not like they are going to erase all his work from the game. Im aware of that. If they did, they probably wouldn't even have what makes Bloodlines, well, Bloodlines.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 19, 2020 17:01:21 GMT
Wow. Suddenly I'm glad I didn't preorder this.
I'm a big, big Bloodlines fan, but this just went from "preorder" to "wait and see".
I'm sad now.
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Post by fylimar on Aug 19, 2020 17:06:32 GMT
I was about to preorder the game, but now I won't. How can they do that? It's like Babylon 5 without Stracinsky or Firefly without Joss Whedon.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 19, 2020 17:31:05 GMT
I was about to preorder the game, but now I won't. How can they do that? It's like Babylon 5 without Stracinsky or Firefly without Joss Whedon. Leads don't get fired on the last stretch of development for nothing, it's either because they are derailing production somehow or because of some #metoo stuff. Stacinsky and Whedon would have been fired from those shows for those reasons as well (well maybe not the #metoo, as the movie/tv industry endorse that shit). For a recent example, look at Zack Snyder getting fired/stepping down from Justice League. edit: and as I said in a previous post, the consultant they hired to lead the game now is the kind of person you hire to fix development issues or keep things straight so you can release something. He's not there to change the game design.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 19, 2020 18:55:46 GMT
Some more information as official as it can be (from the community managers on Discord): the team of writers will continue to develop the story as envisioned by Brian.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 19, 2020 20:58:37 GMT
This was not pleasing news to wake up to.
I haven't - and don't - preordered, so no worries there on my part, but damn. I would've been excited for this with or without Mitsoda, but having him there from the start definitely raised the hype levels. This is...disappointing.
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Post by shaqfu on Aug 19, 2020 21:02:04 GMT
Damn..these guys really need something good to show to help build some hype back. At this point all its been is some mediocre game play videos, delays and now reports of firing leads..kinda reminds me of Andromedas lead up at this point.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Aug 19, 2020 21:48:06 GMT
Terrible decision. I was about to play this on day one but now ? I'll wait for the reviews and let the blood fall where it may.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 19, 2020 23:40:54 GMT
Damn..these guys really need something good to show to help build some hype back. At this point all its been is some mediocre game play videos, delays and now reports of firing leads..kinda reminds me of Andromedas lead up at this point. Andromeda's problems are related to the fact that they had to put a game together in 18 months from all the pieces they had once someone in high management said "enough". Also, people left or were moved to other projects, none were fired during development (that we know off anyway). Here the management changes happened after they had reached alpha, did some playtests (with certain aspect of gameplay reviewing poorly according to rumors), had a change of executive producer (the Paradox producer on the game was changed early this year and I read on the official forum that he was fired too) and the game appearing to be stuck development-wise for months. In a way, I see this as a positive personally, the creative director clearly had issues getting this game getting made, hopefully the new guy can go somewhere with it.
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Post by shaqfu on Aug 20, 2020 0:46:54 GMT
azarhal I hope you are right. Really want this game to turn out for the better when it does finally make it out
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Post by azarhal on Aug 20, 2020 2:05:50 GMT
Some comments by Outstar over this (note she is a Paradox employee now, but she has played the alpha so...). It really seems to point to Ka'ai Cluney failing to deliver. I get the impression Brian is collateral damage for Ka'ai's firing here (they are friend and Ka'ai brought Brian to the project), but at the same time he does say he doesn't know why the game is delayed, as it wasn't because of the narrative team, which seems strange. As a lead, he should have a general idea of where every other teams are at in case it impact his team too. This also point at the creative director (who manage all the leads) failing at his work...
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 20, 2020 2:18:38 GMT
I didn't pre-order this title as I was waiting for concrete game play, etc to make a decision. With no clear explanation, no transparency from those in charge as to what's going on, definitely a very bad sign.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 21, 2020 22:08:40 GMT
I didn't pre-order this title as I was waiting for concrete game play, etc to make a decision. With no clear explanation, no transparency from those in charge as to what's going on, definitely a very bad sign. Most places won't tell why someone was fired, even with the Creative Lead of Assassin's Creed with all the reports out there Ubisoft's comment was "after an internal investigation" since there is so much other external information out there people are able to piece it together, but Ubisoft didn't give any specifics.
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Post by ihasfingers on Sept 4, 2020 12:59:57 GMT
I didn't pre-order this title as I was waiting for concrete game play, etc to make a decision. With no clear explanation, no transparency from those in charge as to what's going on, definitely a very bad sign. Most places won't tell why someone was fired, even with the Creative Lead of Assassin's Creed with all the reports out there Ubisoft's comment was "after an internal investigation" since there is so much other external information out there people are able to piece it together, but Ubisoft didn't give any specifics.
True, but what makes this different is that supposedly they didn't even tell the reason to the people they fired. If true, that seems a little rude, to put it mildly.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 4, 2020 13:35:06 GMT
Most places won't tell why someone was fired, even with the Creative Lead of Assassin's Creed with all the reports out there Ubisoft's comment was "after an internal investigation" since there is so much other external information out there people are able to piece it together, but Ubisoft didn't give any specifics.
True, but what makes this different is that supposedly they didn't even tell the reason to the people they fired. If true, that seems a little rude, to put it mildly.
That never happens, what does happens is that people totally disagree with the reason(s) given. Saying that, in this case, people believe the people fired were not told why is because they fail at reading comprehension. Mitsoda says the firing came out of the blue because he never received warnings. People takes that to mean he doesn't know why he was fired, but it just means he failed to get the signals there was a problem while he was still employed. Being oblivious to those signals is more commons than some might think.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 19, 2020 18:32:40 GMT
I had some much high hopes for this game but today is another bad day for Bloodlines 2. Cara Ellison (senior narrative designer / writer) had also left Hardsuit Labs in September. Maybe the basic game is almost finishing from the writing part but for the refining and of course the two Story DLCs and the big Expansion this a great lost. So yeah Bloodlines 2 have lost all of this public spoke persons. Mitsoda, Ellison, Cluney, Schlütter and Schwarzer are all gone.
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Post by Kymira on Oct 21, 2020 17:09:36 GMT
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