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Post by Sah291 on Apr 2, 2019 18:27:54 GMT
I don't doubt Schreier is telling the truth, I had a feeling this might have been the case that Andromeda's issues where not limited to just Andromeda. But I have to agree that throwing gasoline onto the fire with a divisive response that might be interpreted by some as blame or throwing specific employees under the bus isn't what is needed from leadership at this point--especially if company culture and morale is as poor as it is. Actions speak louder than words, and that's really what is needed, implementing the changes necessary to turn things around and keep their current projects on track. Indeed, Bioware themselves throwing people under the bus publicly would not change anything in a positive way...but leaving the people responsible for this toxic work enviroment in place is a great way to continue to repeat the same mistakes, imo. Perhaps, organizational changes might be needed, or may have already occurred for all I know. I'm just saying, a public blog post isn't the place for it and wouldn't be very professional or good for morale.
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Post by biggydx on Apr 2, 2019 18:28:23 GMT
I feel like this is one of those things where you just take it on the chin and just leave it be. No need for a response that could - and very likely - lead to more backlash.
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Post by lennybusker on Apr 2, 2019 18:29:17 GMT
Why would you phrase it this way? His response is calm and measured, and frankly I see the Bioware post as the one that's out of order considering their concern about "tearing down specific members" is something completely absent from the initial article. Jason mentioned Jon Warner specifically in the article and vaguely painted him as someone in over his head...which he may well be. Regardless, it's no shock they "neither confirming nor denying" I mean I know why Hanako phrased it that way, I just wanted to call it out. The answer is very clearly "bad man says bad things about Mommy BioWare who is perfect so he is WRONG".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2019 18:31:15 GMT
Jason mentioned Jon Warner specifically in the article and vaguely painted him as someone in over his head...which he may well be. Regardless, it's no shock they "neither confirming nor denying" I mean I know why Hanako phrased it that way, I just wanted to call it out. The answer is very clearly "bad man says bad things about Mommy BioWare who is perfect so he is WRONG". No, I worded it that way because at even a hint of a perceived slight against his work he goes in a rant at them about it for not recognizing his genius.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 2, 2019 18:34:58 GMT
Indeed, Bioware themselves throwing people under the bus publicly would not change anything in a positive way...but leaving the people responsible for this toxic work enviroment in place is a great way to continue to repeat the same mistakes, imo. Perhaps, organizational changes might be needed, or may have already occurred for all I know. I'm just saying, a public blog post isn't the place for it and wouldn't be very professional or good for morale. Do you think the developers of FF14 had good morale after their broken, poorly planned game was raked over the coals? Of course not. I would be more disturbed if they did. But they also owed up to their mistakes, apologized profusely (some would argue too strongly) and vowed to make it right... You don't need to publicly flog your own employees obviously, no one should ever do that, under no circumstances. But neither should you possibly make public reception of you worse by what can be interpreted as being dismissive of a journalist doing what he is paid to do. Get to the truth. But people don't like truth, because truth hurts.
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Post by Wulfram on Apr 2, 2019 18:35:59 GMT
I disagree, I find the GAAS a key asset for Anthem, as it will be for DA4, but that's a different discussion. Then if GAAS becomes a part of DA4 then it's a 'no buy' for me. I mean, its been part of DAI and ME3 with the multiplayer. (And technically a lot of other Bioware games though I guess you're not referring to DLC and expansions)
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Post by smilesja on Apr 2, 2019 18:36:53 GMT
I mean I know why Hanako phrased it that way, I just wanted to call it out. The answer is very clearly "bad man says bad things about Mommy BioWare who is perfect so he is WRONG". No, I worded it that way because at even a hint of a perceived slight against his work he goes in a rant at them about it for not recognizing his genius. Remember the Andromeda drama.
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Post by 10k on Apr 2, 2019 18:37:41 GMT
Yeah. Jason is crying about this blog post right now.
That fucking idiot realize that he gave these people to a fucking lynch mob for the rest of their fucking career?
Really is it Jason's fault that he just brought their issues out publicly? Or is it BW fault they treat their employees like shit, and ignore their concerns?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 2, 2019 18:37:53 GMT
Then if GAAS becomes a part of DA4 then it's a 'no buy' for me. I mean, its been part of DAI and ME3 with the multiplayer. (And technically a lot of other Bioware games though I guess you're not referring to DLC and expansions) Never played the MP (not a fan of online MP).
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Post by smilesja on Apr 2, 2019 18:38:04 GMT
Perhaps, organizational changes might be needed, or may have already occurred for all I know. I'm just saying, a public blog post isn't the place for it and wouldn't be very professional or good for morale. Do you think the developers of FF14 had good morale after their broken, poorly planned game was raked over the coals? Of course not. I would be more disturbed if they did. But they also owed up to their mistakes, apologized profusely (some would argue too strongly) and vowed to make it right... You don't need to publicly flog your own employees obviously, no one should ever do that, under no circumstances. But neither should you possibly make public reception of you worse by what can be interpreted as being dismissive of a journalist doing what he is paid to do. Get to the truth. But people don't like truth, because truth hurts. That implies that people care about games journalists.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 2, 2019 18:39:41 GMT
No, I worded it that way because at even a hint of a perceived slight against his work he goes in a rant at them about it for not recognizing his genius. Remember the Andromeda drama. I remember everyone implying Jason was a hack who would never produce a single thing regarding Andromeda's development, because he was just part of the angry mob making things up and dogpileing on poor little Andromeda.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 2, 2019 18:41:46 GMT
Remember the Andromeda drama. I remember everyone implying Jason was a hack who would never produce a single thing regarding Andromeda's development, because he was just part of the angry mob making things up and dogpileing on poor little Andromeda. Didn’t help that he attacked this place. He bought that on himself.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 2, 2019 18:45:02 GMT
Do you think the developers of FF14 had good morale after their broken, poorly planned game was raked over the coals? Of course not. I would be more disturbed if they did. But they also owed up to their mistakes, apologized profusely (some would argue too strongly) and vowed to make it right... You don't need to publicly flog your own employees obviously, no one should ever do that, under no circumstances. But neither should you possibly make public reception of you worse by what can be interpreted as being dismissive of a journalist doing what he is paid to do. Get to the truth. But people don't like truth, because truth hurts. That implies that people care about games journalists. Caring about journalists is not required to understand this is the job of one. Thats ignoring all the great work journalists of -actual- news has done across time, like Boston Spotlight revealing the sick cover up of catholic priests. Digging for the truth is what they do, and to hell with anyones feelings. If people get their feelings hurt because a reporter aired dirty laundrey about them...then maybe they shouldn't be doing things that are considered condemable by some?
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Post by 10k on Apr 2, 2019 18:46:03 GMT
Amazing. BSN finds out that BW treats its employees like garbage, and there are still people defending BW. More of that "Bioware Magic" lol.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 2, 2019 18:47:06 GMT
That implies that people care about games journalists. Caring about journalists is not required to understand this is the job of one. Thats ignoring all the great work journalists of -actual- news has done across time, like Boston Spotlight revealing the sick cover up of catholic priests. Digging for the truth is what they do, and to hell with anyones feelings. If people get their feelings hurt because a reporter aired dirty laundrey about them...then maybe they shouldn't be doing things that are considered condemable by some? I’m sure there are good, honest journalists out there. But there’s also corruption and exaggeration that broken my trust in them.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 2, 2019 18:47:37 GMT
Amazing. BSN finds out that BW treats its employees like garbage, and there are still people defending BW. More of that "Bioware Magic" lol. Who’s defending them? Point it out, give quotes.
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Post by Fredward on Apr 2, 2019 18:52:02 GMT
Yeeeaaahhhh I'm going to go back to thinking that Mike Laidlaw leaving means Very Bad Things Indeed for DA4.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 2, 2019 18:52:11 GMT
So *cracks knuckle*. Guess whose raised their head again?
Anyways knowing him bioware did the right thing and furthermore their response was bang on.
A. All he has is anomonys sources. No quotes, no names, no nothing.
B. "Former employees" are kind of a questionable source to begin with since they have an axe to grind.
C. Which he seems to have one of those against bioware for some reason. That and some of the other things he has done makes me both question him and Kotaku for employing him.
Anyways *shrugs* we'll just have to see who is right but looking from the outside once again the media looks like they are trying to create a story rather then report on one.
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Post by 10k on Apr 2, 2019 18:52:32 GMT
Amazing. BSN finds out that BW treats its employees like garbage, and there are still people defending BW. More of that "Bioware Magic" lol. Who’s defending them? Point it out, give quotes. You and your friends know who you are, exactly why you responded lol. Attacking Jason for putting out the truth, and doing what a Journalist should be doing.
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Post by shinobiwan on Apr 2, 2019 18:52:59 GMT
BioWare goes full Trump on a very good investigative journalist. "YOU FAKE NEWS! YOU CAN'T SAY THIS IT'S NOT NICE! WE DO IT FOR NORMAL FOLKS, NOT YOU ELITIST NEW YORK VEGAN BURGER LOVING HIPSTER!!1! WE MAKE THE BEST GAMES!" I literally LOLed.
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Post by Wulfram on Apr 2, 2019 18:55:11 GMT
Going by some of the "likes" I've seen on twitter, Bioware should pay attention to the article.
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Post by lennybusker on Apr 2, 2019 18:56:00 GMT
Amazing. BSN finds out that BW treats its employees like garbage, and there are still people defending BW. More of that "Bioware Magic" lol. Who’s defending them? Point it out, give quotes. So *cracks knuckle*. Guess whose raised their head again? Anyways knowing him bioware did the right thing and furthermore their response was bang on. A. All he has is anomonys sources. No quotes, no names, no nothing. B. "Former employees" are kind of a questionable source to begin with since they have an axe to grind. C. Which he seems to have one of those against bioware for some reason. That and some of the other things he has done makes me both question him and Kotaku for employing him. Anyways *shrugs* we'll just have to see who is right but looking from the outside once again the media looks like they are trying to create a story rather then report on one. media0.giphy.com/media/l1IYk3l6xcEDN5RFS/giphy.gif
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Post by smilesja on Apr 2, 2019 18:56:29 GMT
Who’s defending them? Point it out, give quotes. You and your friends know who you are, exactly why you responded lol. Attacking Jason for putting out the truth, and doing what a Journalist should be doing. People are laughing at his meltdown, nothing more. They’re not denying what BioWare is doing and if you read my response. I said I didn’t think Jason was lying.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2019 18:57:37 GMT
Attacking Jason =/= Defending BioWare.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 2, 2019 18:57:57 GMT
So *cracks knuckle*. Guess whose raised their head again? Anyways knowing him bioware did the right thing and furthermore their response was bang on. A. All he has is anomonys sources. No quotes, no names, no nothing. B. "Former employees" are kind of a questionable source to begin with since they have an axe to grind. C. Which he seems to have one of those against bioware for some reason. That and some of the other things he has done makes me both question him and Kotaku for employing him. Anyways *shrugs* we'll just have to see who is right but looking from the outside once again the media looks like they are trying to create a story rather then report on one. Right, like any developer is going to commit career suicide by publicly outing themselves...
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