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Post by mybudgee on Apr 4, 2019 8:37:48 GMT
So... kotaku.com/how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964I don't know when exactly this company went so horribly wrong, but I loved Bioware. I loved Mass Effect 1 & 2. I loved Jade Empire. Also, of course I loved this game; Here's the question I pose to you guys: can Biower be saved? Or should it be put down like an old dog?
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Post by seven on Apr 4, 2019 9:02:58 GMT
Can it be saved? Sure. Most things (in general) can be fixed given enough time, money and effort. Provided all the above is all willingly given and for the right reasons. Should it be? Perhaps if enough evidence of issues being treated is given. No point doing it if everything just goes back to old habits and we have this conversation again in the near future.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Apr 4, 2019 12:49:29 GMT
So... kotaku.com/how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964I don't know when exactly this company went so horribly wrong, but I loved Bioware. I loved Mass Effect 1 & 2. I loved Jade Empire. Also, of course I loved this game; Here's the question I pose to you guys: can Biower be saved? Or should it be put down like an old dog? Nope, it's well passed the point where it can be saved. Bioware died a long time ago and it's been decomposing for the last few years. You cant lose key individuals who were the core of the company and still claim the same identity. No sadly Bioware is long dead, haven't bought a game since Inquisition and that was a mistake, part of me still hope that the old heads of bioware (who left) reunite and create a new company...Some of the guys who developed the original Final Fantasy games did that and managed to Produce Lost Odyssey. Unlikely it will ever happen though
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 4, 2019 15:32:05 GMT
Edit: I thought of this song as a joke... I guess subconsciously I was also thinking of the lyrics, because damn this song is on point for this thread.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 4, 2019 15:55:03 GMT
Bioware could only be fixed if they rehired most if not all the big talents that worked on the games Bioware is known and loved for, and only if they cut the poison tether to EA.
Like Luke Sykwalker I still sense something good in Darth Bioware but nearly all the important parts that made up the heart and soul of this once truly magnificent studio have been replaced, with only a trace left. I doubt its enough to bring the studio back anywhere near its former glory though.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 4, 2019 16:06:53 GMT
Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem?
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 4, 2019 16:34:17 GMT
Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem? Besides the base game nope. As for the OP: the original Bioware has long been "dead", the mass effect/ early dragon age Bioware has also been dead for a while. We're at modern Bioware where what they make is entirely different stuff to what they used to make. I won't say Bioware is dead, I'd rather say they moved on from their past styles and are trying new things out, it's what Happens when new people take place of old leadership. I myself so far have not been pleased with some of their recent work, Andromeda is dog shite and anthem has been on the shelf since launch weekend and I've no intention on playing it again till a year later where maybe just maybe they'll have a direction for the game. However since their recent games all share the issue if Internal studio issues, that's effectively killed my interest in dragon age 4 🤷, bad management and unhappy employees= a bad game and I'm expecting that here since it's apparently becoming a trend for them now.
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Post by House Targaryen on Apr 4, 2019 16:46:52 GMT
Get the Evil Empire's dirty hands off of it and it may be saved. But too much old time talent is gone.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 4, 2019 16:49:04 GMT
Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem? Besides the base game nope.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 4, 2019 17:13:00 GMT
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Post by bmwcrazy on Apr 4, 2019 18:37:40 GMT
This kind of AAA title development horror stories are pretty common in the industry.
Working with major publishers like EA really is a double-edged sword. On one hand, you can secure enough funding for your large project. On the other, you are given a schedule and are forced to follow their policy. With millions of dollars on the line, the investors expect a steady development progress and most importantly, a quality product in the end.
So sometimes you crunch out a good game in the last minute under this pressure, sometimes you don't.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Apr 4, 2019 19:38:08 GMT
It really depands on one's definition of what it means to be "successful" or "struggling," and in particular whether in the long run it is the IPs or the company's own name that are where the bulk of the support (in terms of buying newly-released games) is applied. Reasons Fans Often Cite: - Microtransations - Multiplayer - Too political/not political enough - Storytelling style (or quality, depending) With most of those, I have to say they could continue down their current path and face little to no financial consequences for it. They could easily continue operating for many years. Anthem has already turned a significant profit - any problems with it are likely to be limited to future editions of that particular franchise. Reasons Industry People Often Cite: - Escalating quality control issues - Poorly constructed development schedules - Conflicting management styles between administration layers With most of these, there are real potential pitfalls. These are the areas where EA may face the ongoing question of whether increasing financial risks continue to be worth the returns made on BW's franchise outings. If Anthem isn't expected to do well going forward, and ME:A and DA:I prove to have soured repeat purchases (I don't claim to know these things, only that they are possible) then you could see their doors shuttered within as little as a year, I suspect. Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem? No, and based on the last two entries from both of their most famous franchises*, it's unlikely I'd be purchasing the next ME or DA titles, either. * DA 2 and Inquisition, as well as ME:A and ME 3 - Mass Effect 3 still gets an overall positive view from me, but it is heavily qualified by the fact that the main reason I purchased the game, which was concluding the story, was an overwhelming disappointment.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Apr 4, 2019 19:41:21 GMT
Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem? Of course not
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Post by docsteely on Apr 4, 2019 23:17:02 GMT
Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem?
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Apr 6, 2019 6:40:28 GMT
So... kotaku.com/how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964I don't know when exactly this company went so horribly wrong, but I loved Bioware. I loved Mass Effect 1 & 2. I loved Jade Empire. Also, of course I loved this game; Here's the question I pose to you guys: can Biower be saved? Or should it be put down like an old dog? Short answer: - EA! Long answer: I have the utmost disrespect for Kotaku, even more than I have for EA. And Casey Hudson is still around. EA and Actavision seem to have reached a crisis point. Maybe it even penetrates into the investors thick skulls? And maybe there can be a sensible new order? I doubt that, but for in house game developers the only hope is that the big publishers become reformed in some major way. Game industry on the whole, needs to stop making the games for journalists and marketing managers.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 6, 2019 17:29:17 GMT
Agreed, gaming as we know it is dead
It's become a narcissistic-circle-jerk of self-important clowns making & shipping broken/incomplete products for rainbow-haired spazzes. Truly pathetic
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 7, 2019 18:13:50 GMT
Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem? I haven't even bought a game in 7 years...
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Post by Frost on Apr 7, 2019 19:42:22 GMT
Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem? I haven't even bought a game in 7 years...
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 7, 2019 20:06:56 GMT
I haven't even bought a game in 7 years... Eh, I still got more for free with gaming magazines. Deus Ex HR, Alpha Protocol, Just Cause 2, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, etc... Last I got was Tropico 5 with a mag in 2017. My laptop can't run any current-gen games worth a damn, and my only console is an old-school Xbox I got in '03, so...
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 9, 2019 17:24:45 GMT
Eh, I still got more for free with gaming magazines. Deus Ex HR, Alpha Protocol, Just Cause 2, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, etc... Last I got was Tropico 5 with a mag in 2017. Wait, the date is april 9th, 2024?!?
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 9, 2019 18:27:22 GMT
Any of you guys actually pay $ for Anthem? I haven't even bought a game in 7 years... Then get outta here! Nah just kidding.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 9, 2019 18:51:53 GMT
Eh, I still got more for free with gaming magazines. Deus Ex HR, Alpha Protocol, Just Cause 2, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, etc... Last I got was Tropico 5 with a mag in 2017.Wait, the date is april 9th, 2024?!? Nah, I paid for the magazine. Game's just a bonus.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 9, 2019 21:05:03 GMT
Ah, the old question: Can BioWare be saved from its impending doom? We asked it after Dragon Age 2. We asked it after Mass Effect 3. We asked it after The Old Republic. We asked it after Inquisition. We asked it after Andromeda. Now we are asking it after Anthem. So for a decade now, BioWare isn't really alive anymore but it also is not quite dead yet, basically the Schroedinger's cat of game devs. I might DA4 as a retail version, just so I can literally open the box and look into it. I am just afraid that I will just observe yet another box.
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