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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 1:15:16 GMT
No more games with Shepard and the Milky Way. That story is done. NEVER! It really is. You set out to defeat the Reapers, and at the end of ME3 you do just that. There's nothing more to tell. What happens afterwards, you don't need Shepard for that, and the EC had it covered up until around 500 years post-Reaper war.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 4:59:22 GMT
Not the casual gamers who make up much more of the players than you like to think. When I was a casual gamer I really didn't pay attention to the studio. I know I played EA games in the past. I've been gaming since the mid-80s when everything was text based. Please don't even try to tell me I'm clueless about this stuff. I played EA games in the past, too. I played Jade Empire and KotoR and I had no idea they were Bioware's. I went back and played my annual run of BG and thought "oh, wait". It's true, you're right. But BFV didn't do that good, BF2, well, Andromeda, Anthem even and if not for Apex Legends saving EA's ass, we'd be seeing a whole different story. I think some people have taken notice, even among the casual crowd. Maybe we'll see a growing anti-EA trend, even among the casuals. But I'm just speculating. Yes, some people have. I do know some casual fans who enjoyed the MET thought MEA was merely okay. They didn't see it the same way as more hardcore gamers. And that's why I think they'll go based on promos over YT ranting videos.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 13, 2019 6:54:27 GMT
They're not thinking about BioWare or EA. I think they do care. About EA at very least. There is a lot, a whole lot of bad blood between the gaming community and EA and they will grab any chance to stick it in to EA. I think you overestimate the amount of people who don't like EA. Most of the bad blood is from the internet, casual gamers or people who don't frequent the internet tend not to care about game companies.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 13, 2019 13:15:53 GMT
Yes, some people have. I do know some casual fans who enjoyed the MET thought MEA was merely okay. They didn't see it the same way as more hardcore gamers. And that's why I think they'll go based on promos over YT ranting videos. The problem is that, in spite of promos, in spite of it being okay, Bioware Montreal is no longer with is. Which means that something about Andromeda performed worse than expected, in EA's eyes and made them defunct. I think it takes more than just good promos to get sales. I think you overestimate the amount of people who don't like EA. Most of the bad blood is from the internet, casual gamers or people who don't frequent the internet tend not to care about game companies. I think you underestimate the internet and people's hate for the two times voted "worst company in America". Imagine BoA being thankful, that EA exists and they're a worse piece of shit than they are. Maybe I overestimate it, but I'd rather overestimate, rather than underestimate.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 14:30:11 GMT
Yes, some people have. I do know some casual fans who enjoyed the MET thought MEA was merely okay. They didn't see it the same way as more hardcore gamers. And that's why I think they'll go based on promos over YT ranting videos. The problem is that, in spite of promos, in spite of it being okay, Bioware Montreal is no longer with is. Which means that something about Andromeda performed worse than expected, in EA's eyes and made them defunct. I think it takes more than just good promos to get sales. I think you overestimate the amount of people who don't like EA. Most of the bad blood is from the internet, casual gamers or people who don't frequent the internet tend not to care about game companies. I think you underestimate the internet and people's hate for the two times voted "worst company in America". Imagine BoA being thankful, that EA exists and they're a worse piece of shit than they are. Maybe I overestimate it, but I'd rather overestimate, rather than underestimate. The state of BW Montreal is irrelevant in regard to how the casual gamer will see things. You think they have any idea about different studios or which one made which game? But that proves a point anyway. If a different studio makes the next ME game, why should even you be concerned? The one that failed was merged with a different studio. By all accounts, the devs in Montreal had only ever worked on an ME dlc. I don't remember if it was Omega or Citadel.
As for worst company, it isn't as major an issue as you think. Despite that designation, people are still clamoring for more ME and more DA. Why would that be?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 13, 2019 14:44:24 GMT
The state of BW Montreal is irrelevant in regard to how the casual gamer will see things. Indeed it is. My problem isn't Bioware Montreal's internal struggles that led to Andromeda. I mean that is a problem, just not the one I am referencing here. What I am talking about is the impact of Andromeda's legacy returning to haunt Edmonton and the repercussions that might have, up to and including a potential closure of the studio. Despite that designation, people are still clamoring for more ME and more DA I don't see DA having much of an audience, because of its setting and genre. GoT is in its final year, by the time DA4 is ready and out, the whole medieval fantasy fad will have completely died out and I don't see the casuals caring for much other than shooters. I am not sure that another Dragon Age is a good move, to be honest with you. Or maybe I am overthinking it. So far, though, everything I had been expecting about the Bioware games past ME3 has come true, so I'm worried I am right.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 14:58:06 GMT
I don't see DA having much of an audience, because of its setting and genre. GoT is in its final year, by the time DA4 is ready and out, the whole medieval fantasy fad will have completely died out and I don't see the casuals caring for much other than shooters. I am not sure that another Dragon Age is a good move, to be honest with you. Or maybe I am overthinking it. So far, though, everything I had been expecting about the Bioware games past ME3 has come true, so I'm worried I am right. Even if true about DA, you can't deny that people want more ME. Why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 14:59:47 GMT
Yes, some people have. I do know some casual fans who enjoyed the MET thought MEA was merely okay. They didn't see it the same way as more hardcore gamers. And that's why I think they'll go based on promos over YT ranting videos. The problem is that, in spite of promos, in spite of it being okay, Bioware Montreal is no longer with is. Which means that something about Andromeda performed worse than expected, in EA's eyes and made them defunct. I think it takes more than just good promos to get sales. I think you overestimate the amount of people who don't like EA. Most of the bad blood is from the internet, casual gamers or people who don't frequent the internet tend not to care about game companies. I think you underestimate the internet and people's hate for the two times voted "worst company in America". Imagine BoA being thankful, that EA exists and they're a worse piece of shit than they are. Maybe I overestimate it, but I'd rather overestimate, rather than underestimate. The reality is that the bulk of the staff of Bioware Montreal were transferred into EA Motive. IF EA was so terribly upset with their performance, they would have fired them outright... not rolled them into another studio. About a year before the roll in of Bioware Montreal, EA had also applied for a tax concession with the Quebec government that involved a commitment to hire 500 people into EA Motive within a year, so my guess is that the roll up of Bioware Montreal was a planned event. It was probably hoped that before that year ran out, Bioware Montreal would have released both Andromeda (which was scheduled originally to release 6 months before it did) and some DLC for it... but Andromeda's release was delayed and then they spent an additional 6 months in patching. I believe the DLC was cancelled because the deadline with the Quebec government for rolling in those employees to EA Motive was fast approaching. I think it's the internet that's making it seem like everything was so much worse with Andromeda than it really was... and they continue to keep playing that "no one will buy ME:A2" card because that's the only way they can keep pressuring Bioware to remake ME3's endings.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 13, 2019 16:26:13 GMT
Yes, some people have. I do know some casual fans who enjoyed the MET thought MEA was merely okay. They didn't see it the same way as more hardcore gamers. And that's why I think they'll go based on promos over YT ranting videos. The problem is that, in spite of promos, in spite of it being okay, Bioware Montreal is no longer with is. Which means that something about Andromeda performed worse than expected, in EA's eyes and made them defunct. I think it takes more than just good promos to get sales. I think you overestimate the amount of people who don't like EA. Most of the bad blood is from the internet, casual gamers or people who don't frequent the internet tend not to care about game companies. I think you underestimate the internet and people's hate for the two times voted "worst company in America". Imagine BoA being thankful, that EA exists and they're a worse piece of shit than they are. Maybe I overestimate it, but I'd rather overestimate, rather than underestimate. Like i said, the bulk comes from hardcore gamers on the internet who seems to turn a blind eye to companies who do worse practices if the worst company in America is to go by.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 13, 2019 16:36:46 GMT
The reality is that the bulk of the staff of Bioware Montreal were transferred into EA Motive. IF EA was so terribly upset with their performance, they would have fired them outright... not rolled them into another studio. About a year before the roll in of Bioware Montreal, EA had also applied for a tax concession with the Quebec government that involved a commitment to hire 500 people into EA Motive within a year, so my guess is that the roll up of Bioware Montreal was a planned event. It was probably hoped that before that year ran out, Bioware Montreal would have released both Andromeda (which was scheduled originally to release 6 months before it did) and some DLC for it... but Andromeda's release was delayed and then they spent an additional 6 months in patching. I believe the DLC was cancelled because the deadline with the Quebec government for rolling in those employees to EA Motive was fast approaching. I think it's the internet that's making it seem like everything was so much worse with Andromeda than it really was... and they continue to keep playing that "no one will buy ME:A2" card because that's the only way they can keep pressuring Bioware to remake ME3's endings. I think you are understating the situation and dismissing it. The government tax concession would not leave a loophole the size of "you can definitely fire 500 people and rehire them and we'll give you a tax cut". Here is an article for it, from 2017
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Electronic Arts, one of the world’s largest video game makers, will be creating 500 new jobs in Montreal over a 10-year period thanks to a tax credit from the provincial government.
In a statement, EA says it intends to invest $500 million in Quebec during the 10-year period.
It states nothing about re-hiring 500 people out of Montreal's staff, but creating 500 jobs, over a 10 year period. It's a long term investment. Some of the Montreal staff were recycled in Motive, but a lot of people were let go and only a skeleton crew was left operating on Andromeda. These people were left to work on patches with a limited budget and where then either absorbed by Motive or let go as well, I can't find any further info on it, so far, but I think and hope they were shifted to Motive.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 13, 2019 16:41:27 GMT
Like i said, the bulk comes from hardcore gamers on the internet who seems to turn a blind eye to companies who do worse practices if the worst company in America is to go by. I think being entirely dismissive of a possible scenario, without at least considering it in passing, is a bad idea. If I were building a spacecraft to take you in orbit and you spotted a flaw in my design with a 1% chance of destroying the entire craft, with you in it, would you dismiss it?
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Post by General Mahad on Apr 13, 2019 17:01:44 GMT
Release a remastered trilogy. After that, announce ME4 is in the works with Shepard returning. That’s a very good idea. Don’t have to spend much money or time, introduce more people on the next generation to the trilogy, try to earn back some trust from the fans, and maybe even make a pretty penny out of it. But knowing BioWare, they’ll say no and spend seven years arguing on a dozen game concepts that won’t make it to release and then crank it out with only one year of development.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 17:59:39 GMT
The reality is that the bulk of the staff of Bioware Montreal were transferred into EA Motive. IF EA was so terribly upset with their performance, they would have fired them outright... not rolled them into another studio. About a year before the roll in of Bioware Montreal, EA had also applied for a tax concession with the Quebec government that involved a commitment to hire 500 people into EA Motive within a year, so my guess is that the roll up of Bioware Montreal was a planned event. It was probably hoped that before that year ran out, Bioware Montreal would have released both Andromeda (which was scheduled originally to release 6 months before it did) and some DLC for it... but Andromeda's release was delayed and then they spent an additional 6 months in patching. I believe the DLC was cancelled because the deadline with the Quebec government for rolling in those employees to EA Motive was fast approaching. I think it's the internet that's making it seem like everything was so much worse with Andromeda than it really was... and they continue to keep playing that "no one will buy ME:A2" card because that's the only way they can keep pressuring Bioware to remake ME3's endings. I think you are understating the situation and dismissing it. The government tax concession would not leave a loophole the size of "you can definitely fire 500 people and rehire them and we'll give you a tax cut". Here is an article for it, from 2017
And to quote
Electronic Arts, one of the world’s largest video game makers, will be creating 500 new jobs in Montreal over a 10-year period thanks to a tax credit from the provincial government.
In a statement, EA says it intends to invest $500 million in Quebec during the 10-year period.
It states nothing about re-hiring 500 people out of Montreal's staff, but creating 500 jobs, over a 10 year period. It's a long term investment. Some of the Montreal staff were recycled in Motive, but a lot of people were let go and only a skeleton crew was left operating on Andromeda. These people were left to work on patches with a limited budget and where then either absorbed by Motive or let go as well, I can't find any further info on it, so far, but I think and hope they were shifted to Motive.
You're the one dismissing it. The fact is that Bioware Montreal was rolled into EA Motive... not shut down. That's the way it was announced and that's what happened. Staff who were not prepared to make the change to EA Motive were let go. Those who were amenable to making the switch were transferred. As I said, had EA been totally upset by their performance, they would not have taken any of them into another division within their organization. In Canada, the best time to let people go is during a downsizing since you don't have to find a "cause" for firing people. If you want to read the government thing your way, it makes even less sense for them to have rolled Bioware people into EA Motive since they would still be on the hook for hiring another 500 new people on top of the ones they transferred. Had they just outright fired everyone at Bioware Montreal, they would only need to hire 500 new people and would not be paying the salaries of those they transferred on top of that. At the time, individual employees were indicating what was happening. Ian Frazier for one indicated that he had been transferred into EA.
As for the news articles... it's only 1 of 2 that I linked to when I first found out about it. The other article appeared in the Edmonton Journal in relation to Bioware wanting to get a similar concession out of the Alberta government.
Regardless, the "no one will buy ME:A2" card is STILL purely speculation. There is as much of a chance of people not liking whatever ending they pick or whatever character they assign to a new Shepard or not liking whatever they do to reboot the MET... and then not buying the next ME game because of that. It's pure speculation either way. Your crystal ball is no better than mine... and regardless, the next ME game will be published by EA whether you like the idea or not.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 13, 2019 19:28:55 GMT
It really is. You set out to defeat the Reapers, and at the end of ME3 you do just that. There's nothing more to tell. What happens afterwards, you don't need Shepard for that, and the EC had it covered up until around 500 years post-Reaper war. What are you talking about? The galaxy is in ruins and needs to be rebuilt. Unless every single group decides to work peacefully and noone tryies to take power there will be stories. I mean imagine if a warrior race like the protheans (not THE protheans but someone like them) comes through once the relays are fixed. The galaxy is in no shape to fight them off. And that isn't even talking about the levitheans who can move around again. You might not want stories from the milky way and the next sequel might not take place in the milky way but there are alot of possible stories.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 13, 2019 19:31:50 GMT
Release a remastered trilogy. After that, announce ME4 is in the works with Shepard returning. That’s a very good idea. Don’t have to spend much money or time, introduce more people on the next generation to the trilogy, try to earn back some trust from the fans, and maybe even make a pretty penny out of it. But knowing BioWare, they’ll say no and spend seven years arguing on a dozen game concepts that won’t make it to release and then crank it out with only one year of development. The problem with making a remaster is that you would have to add stuff to it. If it's just a little cleaner then I doubt most people would buy it. Add more content to it and it would work
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 13, 2019 19:42:32 GMT
You're the one dismissing it. The fact is that Bioware Montreal was rolled into EA Motive... not shut down. That's the way it was announced and that's what happened. Staff who were not prepared to make the change to EA Motive were let go. Those who were amenable to making the switch were transferred. As I said, had EA been totally upset by their performance, they would not have taken any of them into another division within their organization. In Canada, the best time to let people go is during a downsizing since you don't have to find a "cause" for firing people. If you want to read the government thing your way, it makes even less sense for them to have rolled Bioware people into EA Motive since they would still be on the hook for hiring another 500 new people on top of the ones they transferred. Had they just outright fired everyone at Bioware Montreal, they would only need to hire 500 new people and would not be paying the salaries of those they transferred on top of that. At the time, individual employees were indicating what was happening. Ian Frazier for one indicated that he had been transferred into EA.
As for the news articles... it's only 1 of 2 that I linked to when I first found out about it. The other article appeared in the Edmonton Journal in relation to Bioware wanting to get a similar concession out of the Alberta government.
Regardless, the "no one will buy ME:A2" card is STILL purely speculation. There is as much of a chance of people not liking whatever ending they pick or whatever character they assign to a new Shepard or not liking whatever they do to reboot the MET... and then not buying the next ME game because of that. It's pure speculation either way. Your crystal ball is no better than mine... and regardless, the next ME game will be published by EA whether you like the idea or not.
The Schreier article goes into detail as to what happened to Montreal; people got fired, others shifted around different offices/studios in EA, the ones who remained, the skeleton crew that did the patches, got then absorbed into Motive. You're trying to make it sound that everyone got moved there, which is not the case.
Bioware Montreal and Motive, if I recall correctly, are even situated in the same building. The Quebec government tax credit doesn't even make sense, in that regard. It's not a $500 million dollar investment to move people a floor up or down. If you even check the Motive site, you'll see they're hiring, as per their agreement. EA will create 500 jobs total within the next 8 years and has nothing to do with the shuttering of Bioware Montreal.
I am not saying ME:A2 won't sell. There are people that will buy it regardless and those who will be impressed by the marketing. But the hardcore gamers and gaming youtubers will meme it to death on the day of its announcement and will do so, till reviews, hopefully, prove them wrong. And if reviews prove them correct, then it will be an Andromeda 2 in all its glory; memes forever and ever. And these people will influence the game's market performance. Good word of mouth and reviews will skyrocket sales, as it happened with DA:O. Andromeda and Anthem did not enjoy those. A Milky Way ME will at least give these people pause to not be as negative as they would be with Andromeda. That is my bottom line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 19:52:00 GMT
You're the one dismissing it. The fact is that Bioware Montreal was rolled into EA Motive... not shut down. That's the way it was announced and that's what happened. Staff who were not prepared to make the change to EA Motive were let go. Those who were amenable to making the switch were transferred. As I said, had EA been totally upset by their performance, they would not have taken any of them into another division within their organization. In Canada, the best time to let people go is during a downsizing since you don't have to find a "cause" for firing people. If you want to read the government thing your way, it makes even less sense for them to have rolled Bioware people into EA Motive since they would still be on the hook for hiring another 500 new people on top of the ones they transferred. Had they just outright fired everyone at Bioware Montreal, they would only need to hire 500 new people and would not be paying the salaries of those they transferred on top of that. At the time, individual employees were indicating what was happening. Ian Frazier for one indicated that he had been transferred into EA.
As for the news articles... it's only 1 of 2 that I linked to when I first found out about it. The other article appeared in the Edmonton Journal in relation to Bioware wanting to get a similar concession out of the Alberta government.
Regardless, the "no one will buy ME:A2" card is STILL purely speculation. There is as much of a chance of people not liking whatever ending they pick or whatever character they assign to a new Shepard or not liking whatever they do to reboot the MET... and then not buying the next ME game because of that. It's pure speculation either way. Your crystal ball is no better than mine... and regardless, the next ME game will be published by EA whether you like the idea or not.
The Schreier article goes into detail as to what happened to Montreal; people got fired, others shifted around different offices/studios in EA, the ones who remained, the skeleton crew that did the patches, got then absorbed into Motive. You're trying to make it sound that everyone got moved there, which is not the case.
Bioware Montreal and Motive, if I recall correctly, are even situated in the same building. The Quebec government tax credit doesn't even make sense, in that regard. It's not a $500 million dollar investment to move people a floor up or down. If you even check the Motive site, you'll see they're hiring, as per their agreement. EA will create 500 jobs total within the next 8 years and has nothing to do with the shuttering of Bioware Montreal.
I am not saying ME:A2 won't sell. There are people that will buy it regardless and those who will be impressed by the marketing. But the hardcore gamers and gaming youtubers will meme it to death on the day of its announcement and will do so, till reviews, hopefully, prove them wrong. And if reviews prove them correct, then it will be an Andromeda 2 in all its glory; memes forever and ever. And these people will influence the game's market performance. Good word of mouth and reviews will skyrocket sales, as it happened with DA:O. Andromeda and Anthem did not enjoy those. A Milky Way ME will at least give these people pause to not be as negative as they would be with Andromeda. That is my bottom line.
... and you're trying to make it sound like everyone got fired, which isn't true. You're also arbitrarily dividing the fanbase into "hardcore" gamers and assuming that all of those would hate another ME:A game... which is also a statement made without foundation or proof... since there are some hardcore gamers who liked ME:A. People like different things just because they like different things.
Your crystal ball is NO BETTER than mine. We have no way of knowing how the next ME game will be received and on what that receiption will be based on until AFTER it's released. An MET extension or remaster can JUST AS EASILY FAIL as an ME:A sequel. It will ultimately depend on whether or not it is a GOOD GAME.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 13, 2019 20:02:15 GMT
and you're trying to make it sound like everyone got fired, which isn't true No, no, no. I said it plainly in my own post. people got fired, others shifted around different offices/studios in EA, the ones who remained, the skeleton crew that did the patches, got then absorbed into Motive What I'm saying is that not everyone got absorbed into Motive and that the Quebec government tax credit is something unrelated to Bioware Montreal becoming a defunct studio. An MET extension or remaster can JUST AS EASILY FAIL as an ME:A sequel. It will ultimately depend on whether or not it is a GOOD GAME. Yes, but an MET extension, or remaster which I hadn't even mentioned, would get a much better press reaction on announcement, to MEA2, which would influence market performance.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 13, 2019 20:17:40 GMT
It shouldn't. It should remain in the video game afterlife. Agreed. After the way they ended ME3 and MEA's failure, I would really rather see a whole new franchise than watch them try and milk the nostalgia.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 13, 2019 20:31:45 GMT
I'd like a game that took after ME2 personally. Smaller scale, more character focused. Think it would make sense to do it in Adromeda. Just time skip forwards a few hundred years letting the colonies bed in.
Not really a fan of disturbing the trainwreck that was ME3's endings. Nor of a pointless turian ware prequel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 20:52:15 GMT
and you're trying to make it sound like everyone got fired, which isn't true No, no, no. I said it plainly in my own post. people got fired, others shifted around different offices/studios in EA, the ones who remained, the skeleton crew that did the patches, got then absorbed into Motive What I'm saying is that not everyone got absorbed into Motive and that the Quebec government tax credit is something unrelated to Bioware Montreal becoming a defunct studio. An MET extension or remaster can JUST AS EASILY FAIL as an ME:A sequel. It will ultimately depend on whether or not it is a GOOD GAME. Yes, but an MET extension, or remaster which I hadn't even mentioned, would get a much better press reaction on announcement, to MEA2, which would influence market performance. So, you're basically saying then that the press is incapable of being either fair or objective when announcing a new game and are perfectly capable of trying to milk old prejudices for clicks... setting up certain games for failure even before they are released... which is what happened with Andromeda and what I've been saying about the press all along and one reason why they get no respect from me and why I refuse to follow along with them like a blind sheep.
You're saying that gaming companies should decide what they want to produce based on what the fans speculate what the gaming media might say during the initial announcement of the project. Think carefully... do you really want to give that much power to the press?... to the point that it is the press that dictates what exact stories are contained within games in the future?... to the point that it is the press that dictates what sort of gameplay games wll have?... to the point that it is the press that ultimately decides for us (hardcore gamers) what we should and should not enjoy in a game?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 13, 2019 21:14:59 GMT
So, you're basically saying then that the press is incapable of being either fair or objective when announcing a new game and are perfectly capable of trying to milk old prejudices for clicks... setting up certain games for failure even before they are released... which is what happened with Andromeda and what I've been saying about the press all along and one reason why they get no respect from me and why I refuse to follow along with them like a blind sheep. Regardless if they are right or not, of if you agree with them or not, yes, yes they will bury it. Be it for clicks or because they legitimately believe the game will not be up to par and will caution against hype, whatever the reason, legitimate or illegitimate, they will meme on it. They do it every time and this will not be any different, but I do believe if Bioware address the OT again, it will shut them up. Not all of them of course, but enough of them, so the game will have a fair enough chance in the market to make it on its own. It will have a better fighting chance than ME:A2. And don't get me wrong, there will be those that will say its Bioware's "last ditch effort" because of it, but even they will want to see what happens.
Once and if we're done with that and silenced the opposition, then you go back to Andromeda and do whatever you want. Free keys to the galaxy. Or, since it is EA property, an EA IP, any EA studio can make a "classic Bioware ME" game in Andromeda, while Bioware does the OT stuff. I am fine with Andromeda, you can have as much as you want, personally, I'd love an Andromeda game by Respawn and with some writing help by MCA, like he did for Fallen Order, but Bioware should not give the gaming media further fuel for the fire. I do believe that the OT is their best ticket out of there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 21:35:53 GMT
So, you're basically saying then that the press is incapable of being either fair or objective when announcing a new game and are perfectly capable of trying to milk old prejudices for clicks... setting up certain games for failure even before they are released... which is what happened with Andromeda and what I've been saying about the press all along and one reason why they get no respect from me and why I refuse to follow along with them like a blind sheep. Regardless if they are right or not, of if you agree with them or not, yes, yes they will bury it. Be it for clicks or because they legitimately believe the game will not be up to par and will caution against hype, whatever the reason, legitimate or illegitimate, they will meme on it. They do it every time and this will not be any different, but I do believe if Bioware address the OT again, it will shut them up. Not all of them of course, but enough of them, so the game will have a fair enough chance in the market to make it on its own. It will have a better fighting chance than ME:A2. And don't get me wrong, there will be those that will say its Bioware's "last ditch effort" because of it, but even they will want to see what happens.
Once and if we're done with that and silenced the opposition, then you go back to Andromeda and do whatever you want. Free keys to the galaxy. Or, since it is EA property, an EA IP, any EA studio can make a "classic Bioware ME" game in Andromeda, while Bioware does the OT stuff. I am fine with Andromeda, you can have as much as you want, personally, I'd love an Andromeda game by Respawn and with some writing help by MCA, like he did for Fallen Order, but Bioware should not give the gaming media further fuel for the fire. I do believe that the OT is their best ticket out of there.
The only ones who should decide what the next ME game will be about or like are Bioware and EA... because they are the ones investing the time and money in producing it. As consumers, the only thing we hardcore gamers should be deciding is whether or not we want to buy it. I'll base that decision myself on what the game is like after it's released... not on Schrier's opinion of Bioware or your opinion of Andromeda or anyone's opinion of Synthesis or any of the other endings to ME3. Bioware decided themselves to write Andromeda and I happened to enjoy it. I won't apologiize for liking an ME game that wasn't about Shepard or Reapers. Simple as that... and BTW, I am definitely a "hardcore gamer, so your assertions about knowing what we hardcore gamers all like or don't is obviously without any substance.
Had EA been so totally disgusted by ME:A as you claim, they would have fired everyone at Bioware Montreal. They didn't do that... they rolled a number of them into EA Motive. So there must have been at least some of the employees there who did good enough jobs on ME:A to be offered jobs elsewhere within the company. So, the mediocre reception of ME:A (and it was mediocre, not a "disaster" as the media claimed was likely not the sole reason behind the move. EA Motive had to have a use for the additional staff... or none of the employees at Bioware Montreal would have been given the option to join EA Motive. Simple as that.
Bioware has some significant time management issues to resolve. The fact is though, that EA did not force them to release ME:A unfinished. They were given one extension after a long period of development and were simply not granted a further extension. There is little doubt that cut into Anthem's development and combined with the loss of people has resulted in those remaining having to work harder and harder. No doubt that's all cutting into DA's development. In short, Bioware has fallen behind schedule. A simple remaster of MET in the next "time slot" for an ME game might bring them back on schedule (provided they don't rewrite it)... but that would mean that we won't see anything new in a ME game until after Anthem 2 and DA:5 roll out... and it would not resolve the ending issues and, therefore, not "silence the opposition" as you desire.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 13, 2019 21:53:29 GMT
The only ones who should decide what the next ME game will be about or like are Bioware and EA... because they are the ones investing the time and money in producing it. As consumers, the only thing we hardcore gamers should be deciding is whether or not we want to buy it. I'll base that decision myself on what the game is like after it's released... not on Schrier's opinion of Bioware or your opinion of Andromeda or anyone's opinion of Synthesis or any of the other endings to ME3. Bioware decided themselves to write Andromeda and I happened to enjoy it. I won't apologiize for liking an ME game that wasn't about Shepard or Reapers. Simple as that... and BTW, I am definitely a "hardcore gamer." I think that Bioware are in a tough spot right now. Of course that's just my opinion on it, but Schreier's article talked about people leaving and not being replaced and of course that could be hearsay, that could be because Edmonton is not a friendly place, as Schreier makes a note of in his article, or EA not restaffing them, I don't know. It could be any one, but two of those cases aren't good news and the second of the two would be devastating. But when you are in a bad situation, it is best not to fuel fires. That is my perspective. But for God's sake, did I ever imply or tried directly to berate you for liking whatever you like? Even I said that I would like a new Andromeda game, I just think it is a bad idea for Bioware to make it right now.
And, well, I'd consider myself a casual, then. I play Bioware games, the odd AssCreed and a few isometric games, now and then. I don't play Dark Souls on Insanity or whatever. Or if what I do, you'd describe hardcore then I am not as hardcore as some really, really hardcore gamers I know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 22:11:13 GMT
It really is. You set out to defeat the Reapers, and at the end of ME3 you do just that. There's nothing more to tell. What happens afterwards, you don't need Shepard for that, and the EC had it covered up until around 500 years post-Reaper war. What are you talking about? The galaxy is in ruins and needs to be rebuilt. Unless every single group decides to work peacefully and noone tryies to take power there will be stories. I mean imagine if a warrior race like the protheans (not THE protheans but someone like them) comes through once the relays are fixed. The galaxy is in no shape to fight them off. And that isn't even talking about the levitheans who can move around again. You might not want stories from the milky way and the next sequel might not take place in the milky way but there are alot of possible stories. The galaxy did rebuild if you played the Extended Cut. Took several hundred years though.
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