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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 2:17:36 GMT
In the trashcan. It is calling for you. Harsh. I'll go look for me ME3 sequel there as well then. ... Nope, it wasn't there. I only found Andromeda. Hmm funny only thing that belongs in the trash is Anthem. Must have misplaced Andromeda.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 12:11:26 GMT
Hmm funny only thing that belongs in the trash is Anthem It wasn't me. Metacritic threw it in there.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 17:43:06 GMT
Hmm funny only thing that belongs in the trash is Anthem It wasn't me. Metacritic threw it in there. Not really. It's very mixed but not labeled as trash by everyone.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 17:45:50 GMT
Not really. It's very mixed but not labeled as trash by everyone Anthem is also labeled mixed, in Metacritic. Why is one mixed game allowed in the trash, but not the other?
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 17:51:31 GMT
Not really. It's very mixed but not labeled as trash by everyone Anthem is also labeled mixed, in Metacritic. Why is one mixed game allowed in the trash, but not the other? Fair enough. I just think Anthem is far worse than Andromeda as far as issues and such. But that's just from what I've heard I've not played it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 17:56:16 GMT
Fair enough. I just think Snthem is far worse than Andromeda as far as issues and such. But that's just from what I've heard I've not played it. Anthem scored ~17% less than Andromeda, but it is effectively mixed in the Metacritic scale. Just like Andromeda. I had an argument with @upagain because he wouldn't concede that a drop from ME2's ~92% metacritic average to Andromeda's ~74% metacritic average didn't mean it was a bad game, but as metacritic ranked it, it was "mixed". So Anthem at ~57% metacritic average is mixed as well, putting them, effectively, in the same league. I had to concede that to @upagain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:22:02 GMT
Fair enough. I just think Snthem is far worse than Andromeda as far as issues and such. But that's just from what I've heard I've not played it. Anthem scored ~17% less than Andromeda, but it is effectively mixed in the Metacritic scale. Just like Andromeda. I had an argument with @upagain because he wouldn't concede that a drop from ME2's ~92% metacritic average to Andromeda's ~74% metacritic average didn't mean it was a bad game, but as metacritic ranked it, it was "mixed". So Anthem at ~57% metacritic average is mixed as well, putting them, effectively, in the same league. I had to concede that to @upagain . Yet again, pulling comments out of context and deliberately miscontruing them. There was no discussin about Anthem "being in the same league" as Andromeda.
Anthem on PC scored 9 negative reviews, 62 mixed reviews and 5 positive reviews from critics for a score of 59, Anthem on PS4 scored 6 negative, 21 mixed, and 1 positive review for an average of 54. Anthem on Xbox One scored 1 negative, 18 mixed and 5 positive reviews for an average of 65.
Conversely, Andromeda on PC scored only 1 negative and scored 18 mixed and 18 positive reviews for an average of 72. Andromeda on PS4 scored only 1 negative review and 30 mixed and 30 positive reviews for an average of 71. Andromeda on Xbox One scored no negative reviews, 12 mixed reviews and 23 positive reviews for an average of 76.
Clearly, there were more negative reviews for Anthem. It does, however, STILL fall within the range for a "mixed" average review score. Andromeda only received 2 negative reviews overall and received far more positive reviews than Anthem. On the Xbox, Andromeda even falls within the "positive" range for average scores.
Your tendency to misconstrue and misrepresent comments only weakens your arguments... making them IMO not even worth discussing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 18:29:41 GMT
Yet again, pulling comments out of context and deliberately miscontruing them. There was no discussin about Anthem "being in the same league" as Andromeda. Indeed. We had a discussion about Andromeda. And we agreed it was mixed. Anthem, however, is also mixed. So Anthem and Andromeda are mixed received games, therefore being in the same league. Clearly, there were more negative reviews for Anthem But it is still "mixed". I have to make that concession. It's not "bad", just "mixed". It does, however, STILL fall within the range for a "mixed" average review score. Therefore it is considered in the same league. Your tendency to misconstrue and misrepresent comments only weakens your arguments... making them IMO not even worth discussing. But you said it yourself. They're both mixed. Just that Anthem is a bit more (or less, I will let you interpret that as you want) "mixed" than Andromeda. Still mixed, though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 18:36:57 GMT
Yet again, pulling comments out of context and deliberately miscontruing them. There was no discussin about Anthem "being in the same league" as Andromeda. Indeed. We had a discussion about Andromeda. And we agreed it was mixed. Anthem, however, is also mixed. So Anthem and Andromeda are mixed received games, therefore being in the same league. Clearly, there were more negative reviews for Anthem But it is still "mixed". I have to make that concession. It's not "bad", just "mixed". It does, however, STILL fall within the range for a "mixed" average review score. Therefore it is considered in the same league. Your tendency to misconstrue and misrepresent comments only weakens your arguments... making them IMO not even worth discussing. But you said it yourself. They're both mixed. Just that Anthem is a bit more (or less, I will let you interpret that as you want) "mixed" than Andromeda. Still mixed, though. You're the one making the conclusion that being "mixed" equates to "being in the same league." That's all on you, not me.
They both fall within the mixed range of reviews, but you're still ignoring the fact that Andromeda received ONLY 2 negative reviews. At the time we had the discussion about Andromeda, you were saying that the reviews were negative overall, which is simply untrue. END DISCUSSION.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 19:42:41 GMT
You're the one making the conclusion that being "mixed" equates to "being in the same league." That's all on you, not me.
They both fall within the mixed range of reviews, but you're still ignoring the fact that Andromeda received ONLY 2 negative reviews. At the time we had the discussion about Andromeda, you were saying that the reviews were negative overall, which is simply untrue. END DISCUSSION. Hold on. So. We had this argument over ME2, right? And you had me concede that Andromeda, in spite of being ranked 17% lower than ME2 and being considered mixed, with the number of reviews you stated above was barely and marginally considered worse than ME2. ME2 on metacritic has one mixed review. Not on PC alone, but across all platforms. Every other review of it there is positive. I was just there. So with just one mixed review, it's about as good as Andromeda, as I had conceded, in spite of it being ranked 17% lower, yet Anthem, which has a fair amount of negative reviews itself, more so than Andromeda, scoring an equal 17% less than Andromeda is not about as good as Andromeda? It's about the distance as ME2 to Andromeda. Why is that? You got something against Anthem?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 20:53:55 GMT
You're the one making the conclusion that being "mixed" equates to "being in the same league." That's all on you, not me.
They both fall within the mixed range of reviews, but you're still ignoring the fact that Andromeda received ONLY 2 negative reviews. At the time we had the discussion about Andromeda, you were saying that the reviews were negative overall, which is simply untrue. END DISCUSSION. Hold on. So. We had this argument over ME2, right? And you had me concede that Andromeda, in spite of being ranked 17% lower than ME2 and being considered mixed, with the number of reviews you stated above was barely and marginally considered worse than ME2. ME2 on metacritic has one mixed review. Not on PC alone, but across all platforms. Every other review of it there is positive. I was just there. So with just one mixed review, it's about as good as Andromeda, as I had conceded, in spite of it being ranked 17% lower, yet Anthem, which has a fair amount of negative reviews itself, more so than Andromeda, scoring an equal 17% less than Andromeda is not about as good as Andromeda? It's about the distance as ME2 to Andromeda. Why is that? You got something against Anthem? Link to the precise discussion and have the courage to actually quote things in context rather than continually misconstruing everything that's said to you to suit your purposes.
The numbers I gave above in this thread for Andromeda are the same ones I cited in any previous discussion I've had with you. Andromeda received mixed reviews. It recieved more positive reviews than mixed reviews. It received 2 negative reviews. You're the one who keeps trying to spin it in different ways. Can you not do math?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 6, 2019 20:57:45 GMT
Link to the precise discussion. The numbers I gave above in this thread for Andromeda are the same ones I cited in any previous discussion I've had with you. Andromeda received mixed reviews. It recieved more positive reviews than mixed reviews. It received 2 negative reviews. You're the one who keeps trying to spin it in different ways. Can you not do math? Did I or did I not agree with you? Even to the point that Andromeda was poorly reviewed? That I said, with that in mind, I'd give it an extra three points across the board, which would put the XBOX review of Andromeda on Positive, instead of mixed? Which would put it in the same league/class/category/whatever as ME2? Does that ring a bell?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 21:00:05 GMT
Link to the precise discussion. The numbers I gave above in this thread for Andromeda are the same ones I cited in any previous discussion I've had with you. Andromeda received mixed reviews. It recieved more positive reviews than mixed reviews. It received 2 negative reviews. You're the one who keeps trying to spin it in different ways. Can you not do math? Did I or did I not agree with you? Even to the point that Andromeda was poorly reviewed? That I said, with that in mind, I'd give it an extra three points across the board, which would put the XBOX review of Andromeda on Positive, instead of mixed? Which would put it in the same league/class/category/whatever as ME2? Does that ring a bell? Link to the actual discussion.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 6, 2019 21:12:04 GMT
The numbers I gave above in this thread for Andromeda are the same ones I cited in any previous discussion I've had with you. Andromeda received mixed reviews. It recieved more positive reviews than mixed reviews. It received 2 negative reviews. You're the one who keeps trying to spin it in different ways. Can you not do math? Can you link to those two negative reviews? If not, can you post when those reviews were made?
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Link to the actual discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 23:07:11 GMT
The numbers I gave above in this thread for Andromeda are the same ones I cited in any previous discussion I've had with you. Andromeda received mixed reviews. It recieved more positive reviews than mixed reviews. It received 2 negative reviews. You're the one who keeps trying to spin it in different ways. Can you not do math? Can you link to those two negative reviews? If not, can you post when those reviews were made?
Go to Metacritic for Andromeda on the PC and the PS4. Click on the tab "Critic Reviews." Just to the right of the Metascore, you'll see the number of critics that reviewed the game and can click on the word "critics." That will take you to a page that shows the breakdown (positive, mixed, and negative). Click on the negative bar (which has 1 review) and it will link to that review. You can follow this same procedure to read any of the reviews on which Metacritic based the critic review portion of its score. I think you will find that the Metacritic reviews were all done either just before release or just after releave of the game.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 6, 2019 23:15:39 GMT
With all that typing, it wouldn't have been easier to post a link to the reviews for MEA?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 23:27:46 GMT
With all that typing, it wouldn't have been easier to post a link to the reviews for MEA? I thought it would be more beneficial in case you wanted to repeat the process for, say, Anthem or other games that interest you. I certainly did not want to individually link to, say, all 61 reviews done for Andromeda on the PS4... that's what Metacritic does.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 6, 2019 23:48:33 GMT
With all that typing, it wouldn't have been easier to post a link to the reviews for MEA? I thought it would be more beneficial in case you wanted to repeat the process for, say, Anthem or other games that interest you. I certainly did not want to individually link to, say, all 61 reviews done for Andromeda on the PS4... that's what Metacritic does. Interesting in your post you mention click on critic reviews. Why is that? Does user reviews not count? Anyways, here's the link with one negative from a critic while there's over 500 negative reviews from users www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-andromeda
Here's the link for ps4. One negative for the critices while over 400 for the users.
Here's the link for Xone. No negative from critics, but over 60 from users
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 1:48:28 GMT
I thought it would be more beneficial in case you wanted to repeat the process for, say, Anthem or other games that interest you. I certainly did not want to individually link to, say, all 61 reviews done for Andromeda on the PS4... that's what Metacritic does. Interesting in your post you mention click on critic reviews. Why is that? Does user reviews not count? Anyways, here's the link with one negative from a critic while there's over 500 negative reviews from users www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-andromeda
Here's the link for ps4. One negative for the critices while over 400 for the users.
Here's the link for Xone. No negative from critics, but over 60 from users
No, in a discussion about professional reviews, they don't count. There are numerous of those "negative" reviews that give the game a 0/10. This is evidence of a "metabombing"; not reasonable reviews of the game. If you want to go through and sift out those 0/10 reviews and recount, you're welcome to do the work.
I find it interesting that you also declined to mention that on Xbox One, there were a total of 460 negative user reviews, but also 439 positive ones and 106 mixed ones. (I'm assuming the rather low number of 60 was a typo.) For the PS4 the complete splits for the User Revews is 1,388 positive, 504 mixed, and 1,729 negative. On PC, the totals are 1,496 positive, 556 mixed, and 1,844 negative.
For fairness, you may also want to sift out any of the 10/10 user reviews, since there was a "reaction" to the metabombing as well.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 7, 2019 23:58:56 GMT
No, in a discussion about professional reviews, they don't count. They don't? Do you mean they don't count for you or do you mean they don't count for anyone? Why aren't they reasonable? What if those were all 1/10, 2/10 or even 3/10, would those still be considered not reasonable? If I were to go to that site to look at reviews for a game and see x number of negative ones, I would look at some to see why. If after viewing however many I find they all have a few things in common, I would then look at reviews that are positive to see if they mention what the negatives mentioned. The other thing is how much of the game did the professional reviews play? Do they have the time to complete a full playthrough of that game before reviewing another game? You know what I find interesting? I don't have to mention the numbers since I posted a link to the numbers. But you never clicked on the links I provided, did you? If you did, your assumption about me making a typo would not have been posted. I just checked the link I posted. Why don't you do that? Go ahead. I did a moment ago. Why didn't you post this when I asked for a link? Instead you decided it was easier to tell me to click this, then click that, and finally click the other thing.
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No, in a discussion about professional reviews, they don't count. They don't? Do you mean they don't count for you or do you mean they don't count for anyone? Why aren't they reasonable? What if those were all 1/10, 2/10 or even 3/10, would those still be considered not reasonable? If I were to go to that site to look at reviews for a game and see x number of negative ones, I would look at some to see why. If after viewing however many I find they all have a few things in common, I would then look at reviews that are positive to see if they mention what the negatives mentioned. The other thing is how much of the game did the professional reviews play? Do they have the time to complete a full playthrough of that game before reviewing another game? You know what I find interesting? I don't have to mention the numbers since I posted a link to the numbers. But you never clicked on the links I provided, did you? If you did, your assumption about me making a typo would not have been posted. I just checked the link I posted. Why don't you do that? Go ahead. I did a moment ago. Why didn't you post this when I asked for a link? Instead you decided it was easier to tell me to click this, then click that, and finally click the other thing. You're just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Not worth answering. Do what you like with the raw data. It is a common practice to throw out the highest and the lowest results before taking an average... But, put whatever spin you want to on it. Use whatever mathematical approach you want to use to deal with the outliers and deviation. I'll put whatever spin I want to on it. It doesn't change the raw data, which you have the same access to as I do. In each and every case, the positive and mixed reviews outnumber the negative ones. END DISCUSSION.
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You're just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Not worth answering. Do what you like with the raw data. It is a common practice to throw out the highest and the lowest results before taking an average... But, put whatever spin you want to on it. Use whatever mathematical approach you want to use to deal with the outliers and deviation. I'll put whatever spin I want to on it. It doesn't change the raw data, which you have the same access to as I do. In each and every case, the positive and mixed reviews outnumber the negative ones. END DISCUSSION. You're the one being argumentative just to be argumentative because I don't agree with you. It also seems you can't admit you ****ed up with what you posted because you failed to click on the link I provided. It really bothers you that there are people that didn't like MEA. And yes, end of discussion. You've posted that a few times before. I'm sure you'll post that again in the future.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 8, 2019 11:52:01 GMT
You're just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Not worth answering. Do what you like with the raw data. It is a common practice to throw out the highest and the lowest results before taking an average... But, put whatever spin you want to on it. Use whatever mathematical approach you want to use to deal with the outliers and deviation. I'll put whatever spin I want to on it. It doesn't change the raw data, which you have the same access to as I do. In each and every case, the positive and mixed reviews outnumber the negative ones. END DISCUSSION. You're the one being argumentative just to be argumentative because I don't agree with you. It also seems you can't admit you ****ed up with what you posted because you failed to click on the link I provided. It really bothers you that there are people that didn't like MEA. And yes, end of discussion. You've posted that a few times before. I'm sure you'll post that again in the future. Come on, you had to have expected that.
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