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Post by roivas on Apr 21, 2019 8:45:35 GMT
I quite the game after 2 weeks, not even finished the story mode & seems like my orgin friends have stopped too. I should really try to go back to finish the story. But the univers feels so hollow to me even if I reading the codex :/. So far form what Mass Effect Trilogy offered :/
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Post by Thrombin on Apr 21, 2019 11:07:17 GMT
Anthem is an RPG? News to me... Nobody said it was an RPG, just that there are hooks for people who love RPGs. I absolutely count Mythias's, Brin's, and Yarrow's quests as part of the story. I consider the story the over-arching goal of redeeming the freelancers and bringing Fort Tarsis (and the world on general) back from the brink. Sexy danger lady and the grain supply are part of that as well. The Heart of Rage was the intro, not the whole story.
Indeed, I never said it was an RPG but I could certainly make an argument for it. I think of it as something of a hybrid. You definitely assume a role, you level up, you interact with NPC's, you progress the story of your character and you make decisions which affect other characters and the world around you. Even the multiplayer co-op aspect where you go on missions and hope to find loot just reminds me of WOW which was called an MMO RPG.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 21, 2019 14:48:58 GMT
I think if you are going to call an ab9mination like anthem an rpg you might as well call all games rpgs
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 21, 2019 15:22:42 GMT
Nobody said it was an RPG, just that there are hooks for people who love RPGs. I absolutely count Mythias's, Brin's, and Yarrow's quests as part of the story. I consider the story the over-arching goal of redeeming the freelancers and bringing Fort Tarsis (and the world on general) back from the brink. Sexy danger lady and the grain supply are part of that as well. The Heart of Rage was the intro, not the whole story.
Indeed, I never said it was an RPG but I could certainly make an argument for it. I think of it as something of a hybrid. You definitely assume a role, you level up, you interact with NPC's, you progress the story of your character and you make decisions which affect other characters and the world around you. Even the multiplayer co-op aspect where you go on missions and hope to find loot just reminds me of WOW which was called an MMO RPG.
Well it is an action RPG like Diablo. With dialogue choices added that we don't get in Diablo or a typical Diablo clone.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 21, 2019 15:54:54 GMT
Damn, so now both hack'n'slash and looter shooter's are actually RPG's...
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Post by Camel on Apr 21, 2019 16:49:20 GMT
This was posted in another thread, but it seems like something that should have its own.
All I'll say is that this is very concerning data if you're EA.
Good, EA/Bioware need a dose of hard truth.
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Post by Camel on Apr 21, 2019 16:54:41 GMT
Speaking of this forum, just look at the interest here. Compare the amount of people viewing and commenting in the Anthem forum when the game came out to the number doing the same now. It's fallen way off, and the game hasn't even been out two months. People have moved. Yes, there has been a drop, though forum traffic does fall following a release. Andromeda traffic had fallen by 75% at the 2 month point Anthem traffic has fallen by 50% at the 2 month point Anthem will either gets its act together content-wise and activity will recovery, or we'll be more turning our gaze, eventually, to the next Dragon Age game. Time will tell. I don't think Anthem will recover, not after so much problems and negative publicity. They better don't screw up the next Dragon Age.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 21, 2019 21:00:24 GMT
Damn, so now both hack'n'slash and looter shooter's are actually RPG's... Been living under a rock? Diablo was nominated as rpg of the year by several large media outputs. So hack'n'slash ahve been rpgs at least since then. You may not like it but it's not about "now" it's about "since at least 1998"
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Post by mmoblitz on Apr 21, 2019 22:03:38 GMT
cypherj we aren't talking about you creating clickbait, but how the poll was created and picked up by media. My beef is that media has been very quick to jump on reddit news threads without fact checking or analyzing critically. It took less than 10 mins for me to verify where the poll came from. It's not just gaming news media really, stuff gets picked up on Facebook or Twitter and other social media sites like this all the time. It's well past time where we should be taking it at face value anymore. Part of that problem with media going to Reddit belongs to Bioware for shutting down their own forums. They chose to use social media has the way to communicate so they get to reap the rewards, good or bad.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 21, 2019 23:01:44 GMT
Damn, so now both hack'n'slash and looter shooter's are actually RPG's... Been living under a rock? Diablo was nominated as rpg of the year by several large media outputs. So hack'n'slash ahve been rpgs at least since then. You may not like it but it's not about "now" it's about "since at least 1998" Yeah, if you take as wide definition of what an rpg is, then you might consider pretty much every game an rpg.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 21, 2019 23:39:35 GMT
Been living under a rock? Diablo was nominated as rpg of the year by several large media outputs. So hack'n'slash ahve been rpgs at least since then. You may not like it but it's not about "now" it's about "since at least 1998" Yeah, if you take as wide definition of what an rpg is, then you might consider pretty much every game an rpg. You should take that up with the gaming community at large. Good luck on your crusade.
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Post by river82 on Apr 21, 2019 23:50:39 GMT
As much as we may or may not like it, RPG mechanics are pretty much defined as ones where you can evolve and shape your character within combat based gameplay. That makes the definition really wide because the whole "levelling up thing" is one of the new gaming fads. BUT I will defend to the death the need for a combat system so sport games aren't called *shudders* "sport RPGs"
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 22, 2019 9:31:20 GMT
Yeah, if you take as wide definition of what an rpg is, then you might consider pretty much every game an rpg. You should take that up with the gaming community at large. Good luck on your crusade. Why would I do that? If we're using this "extended" definition, then Anthem is about as much of an RPG as Doom or Fight Night.
Edit: ...which means labeling it as an RPG doesn't change the fact that it's low on story content and that story isn't central to the game itself.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 22, 2019 10:56:37 GMT
You should take that up with the gaming community at large. Good luck on your crusade. Why would I do that? If we're using this "extended" definition, then Anthem is about as much of an RPG as Doom or Fight Night.
Edit: ...which means labeling it as an RPG doesn't change the fact that it's low on story content and that story isn't central to the game itself.
Sure, you can always go back to living under a rock. Either way is fine by me. It doesn't change the fact that Anthem is an action RPG though. 😎
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 22, 2019 11:20:36 GMT
Why would I do that? If we're using this "extended" definition, then Anthem is about as much of an RPG as Doom or Fight Night.
Edit: ...which means labeling it as an RPG doesn't change the fact that it's low on story content and that story isn't central to the game itself.
Sure, you can always go back to living under a rock. Either way is fine by me. It doesn't change the fact that Anthem is an action RPG though. 😎 It's as much of RPG as Fight Night/UFC games, GTA/RDR series, most shooters etc.
Either all those games are RPG's or none of them are. Only thing that changes is how (un)useful the RPG label is, it doesn't change anything about Anthem itself.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 22, 2019 11:38:07 GMT
Sure, you can always go back to living under a rock. Either way is fine by me. It doesn't change the fact that Anthem is an action RPG though. 😎 It's as much of RPG as Fight Night/UFC games, GTA/RDR series, most shooters etc.
Either all those games are RPG's or none of them are. Only thing that changes is how (un)useful the RPG label is, it doesn't change anything about Anthem itself.
Some games have elements of other game types in them, but that doesn't make them that game type.. We shouldn't water down the RPG label. Things should be classified by their primary functions. Anthem is a looter shooter with some RPG elements. Just like ME games were RPGs with some shooter elements.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 22, 2019 12:16:31 GMT
Yes, there has been a drop, though forum traffic does fall following a release. Andromeda traffic had fallen by 75% at the 2 month point Anthem traffic has fallen by 50% at the 2 month point Anthem will either gets its act together content-wise and activity will recovery, or we'll be more turning our gaze, eventually, to the next Dragon Age game. Time will tell. I don't think Anthem will recover, not after so much problems and negative publicity. They better don't screw up the next Dragon Age.
LOL, That's what I said when MEA was initially announced. Did Bio listen?
As to Sofa's last sentence, I strongly suspect this here fine BSN is a micro reflection of Anthems's appeal in general. Turning our gaze to DA4 is acknowledging defeat for Anthem's (assumed) popularity.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 22, 2019 12:31:25 GMT
Sure, you can always go back to living under a rock. Either way is fine by me. It doesn't change the fact that Anthem is an action RPG though. 😎 It's as much of RPG as Fight Night/UFC games, GTA/RDR series, most shooters etc.
Either all those games are RPG's or none of them are. Only thing that changes is how (un)useful the RPG label is, it doesn't change anything about Anthem itself.
Like I said, good luck with your crusade.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 22, 2019 12:46:33 GMT
It's as much of RPG as Fight Night/UFC games, GTA/RDR series, most shooters etc.
Either all those games are RPG's or none of them are. Only thing that changes is how (un)useful the RPG label is, it doesn't change anything about Anthem itself.
Like I said, good luck with your crusade. What crusade?
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2019 14:50:54 GMT
Been living under a rock? Diablo was nominated as rpg of the year by several large media outputs. So hack'n'slash ahve been rpgs at least since then. You may not like it but it's not about "now" it's about "since at least 1998" Yeah, if you take as wide definition of what an rpg is, then you might consider pretty much every game an rpg. Um... what's your point? Are you saying that Diablo wan't considered an RPG, or that it was but shouldn't have been?
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Post by Sah291 on Apr 22, 2019 15:10:30 GMT
cypherj we aren't talking about you creating clickbait, but how the poll was created and picked up by media. My beef is that media has been very quick to jump on reddit news threads without fact checking or analyzing critically. It took less than 10 mins for me to verify where the poll came from. It's not just gaming news media really, stuff gets picked up on Facebook or Twitter and other social media sites like this all the time. It's well past time where we should be taking it at face value anymore. Part of that problem with media going to Reddit belongs to Bioware for shutting down their own forums. They chose to use social media has the way to communicate so they get to reap the rewards, good or bad. If memory serves, this kind of thing was going on even back then, and was part of the reason they wanted to nuke it. Instead of reddit posts, they would just quote forum posts. It just appears, other social media formats haven't solved the problem. To the contrary, they have only contributed. But clickbait is part of a larger cultural issue, IMO. It's not going to go away any time soon, and certainly not just because of a change in venue.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 22, 2019 15:17:17 GMT
I think if you are going to call an ab9mination like anthem an rpg you might as well call all games rpgs People used to say the same thing about Mass Effect, especially Mass Effect 2. I personally don’t care what people call it and I don’t think debating the use of the RPG label really matters. What matters is if it has features that you enjoy.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 22, 2019 15:18:23 GMT
Yeah, if you take as wide definition of what an rpg is, then you might consider pretty much every game an rpg. Um... what's your point? Are you saying that Diablo wan't considered an RPG, or that it was but shouldn't have been? None of the above.
If definition of what an RPG game is so wide that it fits games like Diablo (almost no story content, main character with no dialogue lines, player has no impact on the world - ), then it probably fits the vast majority of games that are being made. In this case you might classify Anthem as an RPG, but it would be meaningless, because almost everything is an RPG.
Also, whether you decide to call Anthem an RPG or not won't change the fact that it's not a game where story and characters play a central role, nor one that has a lot of story content.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2019 21:29:55 GMT
How is that different from "was but shouldn't have been"?
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 22, 2019 21:56:44 GMT
How is that different from "was but shouldn't have been"? Completely different. It's "I don't care, my point stands either way".
You might classify tomato as a vegetable instead of a fruit. It will be confusing and unhelpful, but won't change the fact that tomato is still a tomato.
You might classify Anthem as a role playing game, but it won't change the fact that it's a looter shooter with little story content or role playing elements. The fact that it makes RPG label too broad to be of any use is a different issue.
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