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Post by formerfiend on Apr 30, 2019 23:02:37 GMT
This reminds me of certain games which feature 'full frontal nudity' in Europe, but were censored (boobs and genitalia covered up) in the US version. The Witcher 1 was such an example. Another one is Quantic Dreams' Fahrenheit, released in the US as "Indigo Prophecy"... So we can have gore and bloodyness in PS games, but AH-AH-AH!!! No sideboobs! I'm curious if "Outlast" (Full Frontal Nudity) was censored this way in the States It is weird because you had games like God of War, which came out the same year as Fahrenheit/Inigo Prophecy, and two years before The Witcher, which featured nudity as well, on top of copious amounts of gore. Though as I recall God of War only showed breasts, not genitalia. Then you have things like Grand Theft Auto IV, 2008, which had strip clubs where the dancers wore pasties over their nipples(though one of the dlc's did feature male full frontal nudity in a comedy gag), but fast forward five years later to 2013 with GTA V and the strippers are fully topless and there's a Playboy mansion stand in that you can go to at night with plenty of topless women just lounging about. Though for context on that last one, Rockstar might have been gunshy about nudity after getting burned on the Hot Coffee controversy surrounding GTA San Andreas. I imagine the controversy that hit Bethesda after Oblivion modders found that all the female models in the game had fully modeled nipples & vaginas despite never appearing nude might have made western RPG makers a little gunshy about including nudity, as well(along with the controversy around the original Mass Effect's sex scenes. Probably why Bioware didn't include nudity in Dragon Age(not counting Brood Mothers) until Inquisition & not until Andromeda with Mass Effect.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 30, 2019 23:11:50 GMT
Why though? It's the same type of predicament. It is content that you do not want and wish for nobody else to have it either. Personally, I don't fucking care. I romanced Zevran more than once in DA:O, but I do understand where these people would be coming from. I think the whole issue could have been handled better, than the -10 rivalry blowback just for not sucking Ander's cock, but to ask for removal of content that is completely optional and can be very important for some people, just because knowing that its there annoys you, is a little bit of a dick move and only results in less content that will draw in a smaller audience, that will generate less revenue. And in case of a nude version of a single cutscene, you just don't load the clothing. It's literally free, it costs nothing to make it. Other than some render time on a workstation, maybe. It's interesting, very interesting. I have Hawke, who didn't "suck Anders's cock", and didn't get +10 rivalry. By the way, why is that problem that +10 rivalry? My Hawke refused Isabela, and get rivalry too. Every character is sensitive here, not only Anders. But that rivalry isn't the main reason. Many many people have a problem rather with that Anders hit their perfect hetero alpha male than they got rivalry – they have a problem with Anders visible sexual orientation. Just like Zevran's case. I read on forums, they killed Zevran / Anders not because they're murderer, but because they're "gay" (they're not "gay"...). They can go to the hell, yes. I don't have any problem with the fade to black romance scenes or optional nudity. But I would have problem with hiding LGBT+ at the touch of a button. I am of the opinion that as long as you don't have to do it then you shouldn't complain about it. you don't have to have a romance with ander . Heck you can still get the romance as with a female hawk instead of a male hawk. Same with zevran you can be a female warden and sleep with him the same as you could for a male warden. The game doesn't FORCE you to romance them. All of the Cannon romances (the ones shown in trailers) have been straight. Issabela and male hawk for DA2,in ME1's trailer we see ashley and male shep,in ME2 it is clear that miranda was meant as the big romance (she is literally supposed to be the perfect women in a skin tight suit) In ME3's first trailer it had male shep and ashley. They later made another that had fem shep instead of male shep but that was just the same trailer just one thing changed. And ashley can't romance a fen shep anyways so it can't be a "cannon" or public romance (however you want to put it).
I think people are over reacting to this. Sony is probably talking about games that have characters that look like kids in less then appropriate outfits. Lots of japanese games have them and they are creepy.
So we still get to see nudity and sexual content just with characters of an appropriate age.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 30, 2019 23:14:19 GMT
This reminds me of certain games which feature 'full frontal nudity' in Europe, but were censored (boobs and genitalia covered up) in the US version. The Witcher 1 was such an example. Another one is Quantic Dreams' Fahrenheit, released in the US as "Indigo Prophecy"... So we can have gore and bloodyness in PS games, but AH-AH-AH!!! No sideboobs! I'm curious if "Outlast" (Full Frontal Nudity) was censored this way in the States It is weird because you had games like God of War, which came out the same year as Fahrenheit/Inigo Prophecy, and two years before The Witcher, which featured nudity as well, on top of copious amounts of gore. Though as I recall God of War only showed breasts, not genitalia. Then you have things like Grand Theft Auto IV, 2008, which had strip clubs where the dancers wore pasties over their nipples(though one of the dlc's did feature male full frontal nudity in a comedy gag), but fast forward five years later to 2013 with GTA V and the strippers are fully topless and there's a Playboy mansion stand in that you can go to at night with plenty of topless women just lounging about. Though for context on that last one, Rockstar might have been gunshy about nudity after getting burned on the Hot Coffee controversy surrounding GTA San Andreas. I imagine the controversy that hit Bethesda after Oblivion modders found that all the female models in the game had fully modeled nipples & vaginas despite never appearing nude might have made western RPG makers a little gunshy about including nudity, as well(along with the controversy around the original Mass Effect's sex scenes. Probably why Bioware didn't include nudity in Dragon Age(not counting Brood Mothers) until Inquisition & not until Andromeda with Mass Effect. And when Mass effect brought back nudity they went soft core porn with cora's romance.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 30, 2019 23:29:59 GMT
One gets rid of simple content from the game, while the other gets rid of a group of people I disagree. I think both get rid of a group of people. It's disgusting that you would even try to equate the two. Is it disgusting to be the kind of person that wants to see a naked body? Gay or straight, you might appreciate a naked body just as much. Removing nudity might drive gay people away, as much as straight people. Some people might have wanted a naked scene with Reyes in ME:A, but never got that. They may get disheartened by that and turn away from Bioware, because it is simply not the content they want, whereas a simple checkbox ensures everybody experiences whatever they want. And it costs next to nothing to implement it. It's interesting, very interesting. I have Hawke, who didn't "suck Anders's cock", and didn't get +10 rivalry. I don't remember it, exactly. If you turn him down you get negative influence, or something. It's been years since I last got into DA2. I read on forums, they killed Zevran / Anders not because of what they did exactly, but because they're "gay" (they're not "gay"...). These "people" can go to the bloody hell, yes. Well, I have to say that, while some people will have extreme reactions to it, ones that they do mean, very much so IRL as well. These people have problems, but you'll have to admit that not everyone who had an uncomfortable reaction to it went that far. I recall even Angry Joe in his review of DA2 make a little skit about it, jokingly. Would you say that makes Angry Joe a disgusting bigot? I don't have any problem with the fade to black romance scenes or optional nudity. But I would have problem with hiding LGBT+ at the touch of a button. And to some people, gay people as well, a fade to black scene of their romantic interest may be just as much of a turn off. Like, imagine if most other LIs got a full nude scene. A classy, tasty, artsy one. And your LI, because your character is gay and your LI is possibly not even that important a character in the game, gets a fade to black screen. Would it be that unfathomable that you get a little frustrated? A little vexed? A little shafted, so to speak. If your sexuality is important to you, perhaps you would like to experience it to its fullest and thus, yes, some mature content may be desirable to you. Maybe if you don't actually have the option, at the very least to do so, that you would feel tricked or cheated. What are the chances, then, that you will return for the next title? I would say if you care more about a gay romance then the fact the main character can romance a terrorist who blows up what is essentially a huge church then you have very weird priorities. You are telling me this, as if I am personally the one offended. People were offended, I, personally, was not offended. And yes, that last bit, about the suicide bombing, did put a little dent in my appreciation for Anders.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 30, 2019 23:35:07 GMT
One gets rid of simple content from the game, while the other gets rid of a group of people I disagree. I think both get rid of a group of people. It's disgusting that you would even try to equate the two. Is it disgusting to be the kind of person that wants to see a naked body? Gay or straight, you might appreciate a naked body just as much. Removing nudity might drive gay people away, as much as straight people. Some people might have wanted a naked scene with Reyes in ME:A, but never got that. They may get disheartened by that and turn away from Bioware, because it is simply not the content they want, whereas a simple checkbox ensures everybody experiences whatever they want. And it costs next to nothing to implement it. It's interesting, very interesting. I have Hawke, who didn't "suck Anders's cock", and didn't get +10 rivalry. I don't remember it, exactly. If you turn him down you get negative influence, or something. It's been years since I last got into DA2. I read on forums, they killed Zevran / Anders not because of what they did exactly, but because they're "gay" (they're not "gay"...). These "people" can go to the bloody hell, yes. Well, I have to say that, while some people will have extreme reactions to it, ones that they do mean, very much so IRL as well. These people have problems, but you'll have to admit that not everyone who had an uncomfortable reaction to it went that far. I recall even Angry Joe in his review of DA2 make a little skit about it, jokingly. Would you say that makes Angry Joe a disgusting bigot? I don't have any problem with the fade to black romance scenes or optional nudity. But I would have problem with hiding LGBT+ at the touch of a button. And to some people, gay people as well, a fade to black scene of their romantic interest may be just as much of a turn off. Like, imagine if most other LIs got a full nude scene. A classy, tasty, artsy one. And your LI, because your character is gay and your LI is possibly not even that important a character in the game, gets a fade to black screen. Would it be that unfathomable that you get a little frustrated? A little vexed? A little shafted, so to speak. If your sexuality is important to you, perhaps you would like to experience it to its fullest and thus, yes, some mature content may be desirable to you. Maybe if you don't actually have the option, at the very least to do so, that you would feel tricked or cheated. What are the chances, then, that you will return for the next title? I would say if you care more about a gay romance then the fact the main character can romance a terrorist who blows up what is essentially a huge church then you have very weird priorities. You are telling me this, as if I am personally the one offended. People were offended, I, personally, was not offended. And yes, that last bit, about the suicide bombing, did put a little dent in my appreciation for Anders. Oh I wasn't saying YOU said that but the question was what would you say to someone who said that. Personally I was very suprised no news sites or stations jumped on the fact that you can side with anders after he does that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 30, 2019 23:36:15 GMT
One gets rid of simple content from the game, while the other gets rid of a group of people I disagree. I think both get rid of a group of people. It's disgusting that you would even try to equate the two. Is it disgusting to be the kind of person that wants to see a naked body? Gay or straight, you might appreciate a naked body just as much. Removing nudity might drive gay people away, as much as straight people. Some people might have wanted a naked scene with Reyes in ME:A, but never got that. They may get disheartened by that and turn away from Bioware, because it is simply not the content they want, whereas a simple checkbox ensures everybody experiences whatever they want. And it costs next to nothing to implement it. Oh, and what kind of people in the game does the game get rid of by not having sex scenes? No, it is disgusting to be the kind of person who equates erasure of a minority group to not being able to see naked pixels like yourself. Nay, not just equates but also promotes that erasure. Thankfully Bioware has made it very clear that they will never do a sexuality toggle.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 30, 2019 23:39:56 GMT
Oh I wasn't saying YOU said that but the question was what would you say to someone who said that. Personally I was very suprised no news sites or stations jumped on the fact that you can side with anders after he does that. You just made me realize that media would have had a parade with Anders. Butt pirate demon worshiper suicide bombs the chantry. More news at eleven. It would be surreal.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 30, 2019 23:55:09 GMT
Oh I wasn't saying YOU said that but the question was what would you say to someone who said that. Personally I was very suprised no news sites or stations jumped on the fact that you can side with anders after he does that. You just made me realize that media would have had a parade with Anders. Butt pirate demon worshiper suicide bombs the chantry. More news at eleven. It would be surreal. yep but they lost it over a little side boob and but in ME1.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 30, 2019 23:56:00 GMT
Oh, and what kind of people in the game does the game get rid of by not having sex scenes? People regardless of sexuality? No, it is disgusting to be the kind of person who equates erasure of a minority group to not being able to see naked pixels like yourself. Hold on a second there. Both are issues of a sexual nature. First of all, I am not advocating the removal of same sex romances, but if you would deny one type of sexual content, why not the other? Why not remove all sexual content, altogether? That way, everyone is represented by equal omission. People, regardless of sexuality, may enjoy nudity. As legal aged adults, they should be allowed to have their representation to the level they want it. And lastly, like myself? I thought we aren't supposed to resort to personal insults, much less insult others over miscommunication. Like I've already stated, I have enjoyed same sex content myself, I would be opposed to its removal, but understand that removal of adult content may be as offensive to some people, as it would be to deny same sex content, because it can be that important to them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 1, 2019 0:06:37 GMT
Oh, and what kind of people in the game does the game get rid of by not having sex scenes? People regardless of sexuality? No, it is disgusting to be the kind of person who equates erasure of a minority group to not being able to see naked pixels like yourself. Hold on a second there. Both are issues of a sexual nature. First of all, I am not advocating the removal of same sex romances, but if you would deny one type of sexual content, why not the other? Why not remove all sexual content, altogether? That way, everyone is represented by equal omission. People, regardless of sexuality, may enjoy nudity. As legal aged adults, they should be allowed to have their representation to the level they want it. And lastly, like myself? I thought we aren't supposed to resort to personal insults, much less insult others over miscommunication. Like I've already stated, I have enjoyed same sex content myself, I would be opposed to its removal, but understand that removal of adult content may be as offensive to some people, as it would be to deny same sex content, because it can be that important to them. So it gets rid of nobody in the game, unlike the sexuality toggle that wipes out and/or rewrites entire groups. Got it. Yes, that is exactly what you are advocating. Anyone who advocates a sexuality toggle is advocating the removal of same sex romances because that is what it will be used for. You even used a case of that as the example when you pitched it. And sexual content is not the same as sexual orientation. Sexual content is a thing, and removing it does not change the character in the slightest. Meanwhile sexual orientation is a part of who someone is, and removing that does change the character. And anybody who is as offended by not being able to see naked bodies anymore as those who have who they are removed from the game should not be listened to. The former is not oppression, while the latter is.
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Post by Catilina on May 1, 2019 0:37:37 GMT
One gets rid of simple content from the game, while the other gets rid of a group of people I disagree. I think both get rid of a group of people. It's disgusting that you would even try to equate the two. Is it disgusting to be the kind of person that wants to see a naked body? Gay or straight, you might appreciate a naked body just as much. Removing nudity might drive gay people away, as much as straight people. Some people might have wanted a naked scene with Reyes in ME:A, but never got that. They may get disheartened by that and turn away from Bioware, because it is simply not the content they want, whereas a simple checkbox ensures everybody experiences whatever they want. And it costs next to nothing to implement it. It's interesting, very interesting. I have Hawke, who didn't "suck Anders's cock", and didn't get +10 rivalry. I don't remember it, exactly. If you turn him down you get negative influence, or something. It's been years since I last got into DA2. I read on forums, they killed Zevran / Anders not because of what they did exactly, but because they're "gay" (they're not "gay"...). These "people" can go to the bloody hell, yes. Well, I have to say that, while some people will have extreme reactions to it, ones that they do mean, very much so IRL as well. These people have problems, but you'll have to admit that not everyone who had an uncomfortable reaction to it went that far. I recall even Angry Joe in his review of DA2 make a little skit about it, jokingly. Would you say that makes Angry Joe a disgusting bigot? I don't have any problem with the fade to black romance scenes or optional nudity. But I would have problem with hiding LGBT+ at the touch of a button. And to some people, gay people as well, a fade to black scene of their romantic interest may be just as much of a turn off. Like, imagine if most other LIs got a full nude scene. A classy, tasty, artsy one. And your LI, because your character is gay and your LI is possibly not even that important a character in the game, gets a fade to black screen. Would it be that unfathomable that you get a little frustrated? A little vexed? A little shafted, so to speak. If your sexuality is important to you, perhaps you would like to experience it to its fullest and thus, yes, some mature content may be desirable to you. Maybe if you don't actually have the option, at the very least to do so, that you would feel tricked or cheated. What are the chances, then, that you will return for the next title? I would say if you care more about a gay romance then the fact the main character can romance a terrorist who blows up what is essentially a huge church then you have very weird priorities. You are telling me this, as if I am personally the one offended. People were offended, I, personally, was not offended. And yes, that last bit, about the suicide bombing, did put a little dent in my appreciation for Anders. 1. Because my Hawke didn't push him back. (If he would, he would get his rivalry too, and I saw it a very human reaction. Anders' is passionate. Rarely thinks before he talks. Sensitive. Hawke refused him – in fact in a quite rude way, he misunderstood the situation, he rather angry at himself, but his first reaction that rivalry. Anders' character is fleshed. People often cry for a fleshed character – and if they got it, they cry about it... people are ... weird... 2. Because of some people think, the gay romances are "uncomfortable", it would not be a good idea to "turn off" if they want. They should try to go out of their "comfort zone", or not buy the game. 3. I don't get, what do you want to say. I said, I don't have problem, if the bed scenes are going to fade to black. I also don't have problem, if the nudity is optional. But: it should be equal. If the gay romances have only "fade to black" bed scenes, the heterosexual romances also should be like that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 1, 2019 0:47:04 GMT
So it gets rid of nobody in the game, unlike the sexuality toggle that wipes out and/or rewrites entire groups. Got it. So you got that all wrong. I'm not advocating a sexuality toggle. I was advocating a nudity toggle. To which I quote If something annoys you, being able to avoid seeing it doesn't make it go away. It's still there and you know it. My solution is just a mature content switch, that turns off or on the boobies and the peepees being displayed in all their pixelated glory. And Ieldra still can't stomach it. And I just wondered, if faced with something like the Anders hitting on MaleHawk debacle, would they hold the same absolute stance? Of course not, it's ridiculous. They'd just ignore it, if they didn't like it and moved on. Which is what I was kind of indirectly suggesting. Because a toggle switch that hides the boobies and the peepees, also enabling them, should not be a problem to anyone, that is of legal age. Unless Ieldra is actually underage, in which case, I would absolutely understand, because their mom/dad wouldn't buy the game for them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 1, 2019 0:54:25 GMT
2. Because of some people think, the gay romances are "uncomfortable", it would not be a good idea to "turn off" if they want. They should try to go out of their "comfort zone", or not buy the game. I'm not advocating a switch for same sex romances, holy fuck, no. I'm going back and re-reading my previous comment and yes, I do understand, it is off, because I failed to translate it that well, in my head. What I wanted to say was more akin to "if we were talking about the Anders hitting on MaleHawke debacle, would you still say the same thing towards it?" And it is my fault for not communicating it properly. And it's still not right, but that's as best as I can get it.
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Post by Hier0phant on May 1, 2019 1:50:46 GMT
Fuck Anders. That bastard gave me the max disproval because i didn't want him juggling my Hawke's balls in his mouth. You'd think i handed over a dozen mages to be turned into tranquil with that reaction.
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Post by Iakus on May 1, 2019 2:06:24 GMT
The only problem I had with Anders was he acted like a completely different person from DAOA. Which I suppose is a danger in changing writers for a character. I mean it's happened to other characters, and not just in Dragon Age.
Thus I simply pretend he's a different rogue Grey Warden Mage called "Anders" who has a thing for cats.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 1, 2019 2:47:46 GMT
Wow, what a surprise, the thread continues to demonise gay/bisexual men as predators, and spouts demonstrable falsehoods about the content of a video game in order to do so.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 1, 2019 4:13:46 GMT
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Post by Ieldra on May 1, 2019 5:04:34 GMT
don't understand it anyway. If something annoys you, being able to avoid seeing it doesn't make it go away. It's still there and you know it. Would you say that to the people that disliked Anders hitting on maleHawke in DA2? To them I'd quote Cassandra: "Deal with it".
These people act as if someone hitting on you and you not liking it one bit didn't happen IRL. As if just saying no and walking away was beyond their capabilities. Pathetic.
BTW, does that really happen? I don't recall, I only played one male Hawke and that was back in 2013.
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Post by Ieldra on May 1, 2019 5:11:45 GMT
If something annoys you, being able to avoid seeing it doesn't make it go away. It's still there and you know it. My solution is just a mature content switch, that turns off or on the boobies and the peepees being displayed in all their pixelated glory. And Ieldra still can't stomach it. And I just wondered, if faced with something like the Anders hitting on MaleHawk debacle, would they hold the same absolute stance? Of course not, it's ridiculous. They'd just ignore it, if they didn't like it and moved on. Which is what I was kind of indirectly suggesting. Because a toggle switch that hides the boobies and the peepees, also enabling them, should not be a problem to anyone, that is of legal age. Unless Ieldra is actually underage, in which case, I would absolutely understand, because their mom/dad wouldn't buy the game for them. You misunderstand. I have been arguing - consistently - *against* censoring or avoiding such content and now I'm also arguing against a "switch". I was just pointing out - as an aside, more or less - that *if* I had problems with certain kinds of content, *then* not seeing it alone would not remove my annoyance with it.
In general, I'd say, as I did above, "Deal with it". The exceptions usually have to do with people getting falsehoods about real life into their heads because of something someone said in a story. Which happens if you can expect people to be unfamiliar with the subject.
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Post by Catilina on May 1, 2019 7:42:18 GMT
Fuck Anders. That bastard gave me the max disproval because i didn't want him juggling my Hawke's balls in his mouth. You'd think i handed over a dozen mages to be turned into tranquil with that reaction. 10 isn't max disapproval, stop whining about it. The only problem I had with Anders was he acted like a completely different person from DAOA. Which I suppose is a danger in changing writers for a character. I mean it's happened to other characters, and not just in Dragon Age. Thus I simply pretend he's a different rogue Grey Warden Mage called "Anders" who has a thing for cats. Anders/Jusitce's character is surprisingly consistent, despite, the writers' changing. I can't understand, why people don't see that. The problem is, that they only see Anders OR Justice, not Anders + Justice. They're already one. We can't speak about separate characters. Their change comes from their merging. Described with DA2 Hawke's code: DAA sarcastic/charming (purple – not always and not really funny!) Anders + DAA direct Justice (red) = DA2 purple/red or red/purple Anders/Justice... Anders' sarcasm and charm still here – mixed with Justice's directness. He's not makes jokes in DA2 about everything? In addition: Not that charming/flirty anymore? Why would? He doesn't need to be anymore. This was his survival tool in the Circle, but he doesn't concentrate to the survival anymore.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 1, 2019 8:29:52 GMT
You misunderstand. I have been arguing - consistently - *against* censoring or avoiding such content and now I'm also arguing against a "switch" A lot of games have a nudity slider. Conan Exiles, for example, which I have been enjoying for a while now, has a slider for no nudity, partial nudity and full nudity. I get it, not everyone is interested in watching naked male dancers with their flippity floppity helicopter propellers. I've just never come across anyone arguing that a toggle switch is not enough, though. I mean, I have to admit, this is a first for me.
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Post by Ieldra on May 1, 2019 8:31:22 GMT
Fuck Anders. That bastard gave me the max disproval because i didn't want him juggling my Hawke's balls in his mouth. You'd think i handed over a dozen mages to be turned into tranquil with that reaction. Heh...guess what, people don't like being rejected. Some like it less than others, and let you feel it. Irrational? Sure, just like the whole "sex and relationships" thing in the first place. No big deal.
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Post by Ieldra on May 1, 2019 8:40:03 GMT
You misunderstand. I have been arguing - consistently - *against* censoring or avoiding such content and now I'm also arguing against a "switch" A lot of games have a nudity slider. Conan Exiles, for example, which I have been enjoying for a while now, has a slider for no nudity, partial nudity and full nudity. I get it, not everyone is interested in watching naked male dancers with their flippity floppity helicopter propellers. I've just never come across anyone arguing that a toggle switch is not enough, though. I mean, I have to admit, this is a first for me. I guess you have a point there.
It's probably that the things that annoy me in games are almost never visual in nature. At least, not enough to complain about it. Do I *like* seeing such a scene as you describe? Probably not so much, but it's no big deal. People saying bullshit where they're designed to know better, just because the writer didn't bother to do their research, now *that* I can get quite incensed about, and for that it doesn't matter so much that I have to listen to the BS rather than that it's there in the first place to give people false information.
With regard to nudity sliders, as long as the nudity, or lack of it, is irrelevant, I don't have a problem with a slider. In the scene you described, for instance, unless some characters refer to it. The thing is, most of the time when there is nudity it's anything but irelevant. For instance, in sex scenes. My stance in that has always been: I don't need to see everything, but what I see must be convincing. That applies to censorship as well as to sliders and switches. In the end, though, I find the whole idea of "objecting to nudity" silly. At least, in fiction where most people actually look good without any clothing on.
As an extension to this discussion: objections to being gratuitously gross, that I could understand. There are times when I wish I could unsee the Broodmother, but even there I would not actually complain about the visuals as such it since I know the presentation existed to make a point. My criticism comes instead from a more sociopsychological viewpoint: invoking disgust as it was clearly done intentionally here conveys the impression of the "unnatural", a thing that shouldn't exist. Personally, I object to this notion of the unnatural in the first place, as if "nature" as a whole, rather than simply that which is beneficial to us, for evolutionary reasons, conforms to human notions of being well-shaped. Thus, by invoking disgust to make such points, we subscribe to the false assumption that some things are more natural than others by virtue of looking good to the human eye.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 1, 2019 9:00:51 GMT
Objections to being gratuitously gross, that I could understand. As I said, I leave the gratuitous sex scenes to people's imagination, their fanfics or their favourite adult SFM/Blender/whatever animators. I don't need to see Iron Bull going balls deep doggystyle on my femdwarf Inquisitor. That's more like a snuff film, from the sound of it. You can show me Cassandra's ample bosom, or Dorian's derriere, though, in a tasteful manner. And if I'm offended, flipping a switch could have them clothed in the same scene.
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Post by Ieldra on May 1, 2019 9:17:38 GMT
Objections to being gratuitously gross, that I could understand. As I said, I leave the gratuitous sex scenes to people's imagination, their fanfics or their favourite adult SFM/Blender/whatever animators. I don't need to see Iron Bull going balls deep doggystyle on my femdwarf Inquisitor. That's more like a snuff film, from the sound of it. You can show me Cassandra's ample bosom, or Dorian's derriere, though, in a tasteful manner. And if I'm offended, flipping a switch could have them clothed in the same scene. I don't need to see that either, nor do I have the slightest desire to see it. I just don't subscribe to the whole idea that you should be able to selectively avoid being confronted with things that offend you in games, or movies, or any other works of storytelling. If you (generic "you", not you personally) don't like it, play different games. There are enough of them that cater to the oversensitive.
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