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Post by Iakus on Apr 18, 2019 17:51:12 GMT
The more taboo you put on sex and the female body the more rape and violence against women you see. (Yes, I mean Islam.) I'm going to assume you didn't intend to seriously compare not liking sex scenes in video games with being a religious extremist who treats women like sh*t...
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 18, 2019 17:53:29 GMT
Then cyberpunk 2077 would be outlawed from sony real quick and it has already been anounced it will be out on all major consoles. It is probably just sony looking to the future and basically saying no porn games. Or it means the nudity in Cyberpunk 2020 will be “covered.” In DMC, they used bright lights to cover the character’s naked bodies. They have already said that cyberpunk 2077 will have full frontal nudity.
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 18, 2019 18:02:59 GMT
You can kill a helpless person and let another be assassinated. Yet sex is less acceptable? Our values are completely different apparently. I don't know what helpless person you are referencing there (tell me in a spoiler, please?), but there's nothing particularly bloody about the assassination from what I recall. So I don't think it technically falls under the kind of violence you are baffled people would leave uncensored while censoring nudity. Before we talk about this any further, am I correct in summing up your position on this as "Sex doesn't hurt anyone. Violence is the depiction of hurting someone. Hurting someone is bad, so if you are going to censor anything, you should censor that."? Basically. Another way: do I want my kid palming someone’s ass in sex or shooting someone in any way? Violence should be censored long before sex or nudity, though I detest all censorship. As for the person, I’ll do it later seeing as my phone fights doing spoilers.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 18, 2019 18:20:56 GMT
I don't know what helpless person you are referencing there (tell me in a spoiler, please?), but there's nothing particularly bloody about the assassination from what I recall. So I don't think it technically falls under the kind of violence you are baffled people would leave uncensored while censoring nudity. Before we talk about this any further, am I correct in summing up your position on this as "Sex doesn't hurt anyone. Violence is the depiction of hurting someone. Hurting someone is bad, so if you are going to censor anything, you should censor that."? Basically. Another way: do I want my kid palming someone’s ass in sex or shooting someone in any way? Violence should be censored long before sex or nudity, though I detest all censorship. As for the person, I’ll do it later seeing as my phone fights doing spoilers. Remember when people flipped out about GTA 3 and vice city? In vice city you could kill someone with a chainsaw but the moral police were more focused on nudity. That never made sense to me. Or how games like man hunt which were essentially violence for the sake of violence got less attention then games that had nudity in them.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Apr 18, 2019 18:26:19 GMT
Basically. Another way: do I want my kid palming someone’s ass in sex or shooting someone in any way? Violence should be censored long before sex or nudity, though I detest all censorship. As for the person, I’ll do it later seeing as my phone fights doing spoilers. Remember when people flipped out about GTA 3 and vice city? In vice city you could kill someone with a chainsaw but the moral police were more focused on nudity. That never made sense to me. Or how games like man hunt which were essentially violence for the sake of violence got less attention then games that had nudity in them. Yep, I don't get it. Besides, instead of censorship all a game should really need is an M rating and a warning about it's sexual content, so then the offended can spend their money elsewhere.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 18, 2019 18:27:11 GMT
The more taboo you put on sex and the female body the more rape and violence against women you see. (Yes, I mean Islam.) I'm going to assume you didn't intend to seriously compare not liking sex scenes in video games with being a religious extremist who treats women like sh*t... Uh no? I was talking about censorship and taboos and how this doesn't help at all with the perceived problem it tries to silence. I personally find pixel sex totally cringy and ridiculous. It makes me laugh. I laughed even harder at the Witcher 3 sex scenes so to me it doesn't matter how it's done. Animation isn't nearly as good as it needs to be to not look grotesque. So fade to black is fine by me. It doesn't break my immersion like watching creepy puppets rub against each other. Nevermind.
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 18, 2019 19:13:59 GMT
Or it means the nudity in Cyberpunk 2020 will be “covered.” In DMC, they used bright lights to cover the character’s naked bodies. They have already said that cyberpunk 2077 will have full frontal nudity. CD Projekt Red very well might have, but Sony may now mandate that they cover it up for the PlayStation release.
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Post by masterwarderz on Apr 18, 2019 20:06:54 GMT
Remember when people flipped out about GTA 3 and vice city? In vice city you could kill someone with a chainsaw but the moral police were more focused on nudity. That never made sense to me. Or how games like man hunt which were essentially violence for the sake of violence got less attention then games that had nudity in them. Yep, I don't get it. Besides, instead of censorship all a game should really need is an M rating and a warning about it's sexual content, so then the offended can spend their money elsewhere. I still remember the Hot Coffee fiasco ._. Its weird how so little has changed in a decade and a half.
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Post by masterwarderz on Apr 18, 2019 20:07:23 GMT
They have already said that cyberpunk 2077 will have full frontal nudity. CD Projekt Red very well might have, but Sony may now mandate that they cover it up for the PlayStation release. They can burn their checks as they like, free market and all.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 18, 2019 20:35:51 GMT
I think Sony is probably going more for the anime pedo games, then?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 18, 2019 20:39:24 GMT
Eh. If porn is what people are after, there are plenty of other places to go. Yeah, I mostly agree. And most of the ME and DA sex was cringe anyway, though the Sera sex scene was hilarious and would have been less so without visible tits.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 18, 2019 21:44:08 GMT
I'm going to assume you didn't intend to seriously compare not liking sex scenes in video games with being a religious extremist who treats women like sh*t... Uh no? I was talking about censorship and taboos and how this doesn't help at all with the perceived problem it tries to silence. I personally find pixel sex totally cringy and ridiculous. It makes me laugh. I laughed even harder at the Witcher 3 sex scenes so to me it doesn't matter how it's done. Animation isn't nearly as good as it needs to be to not look grotesque. So fade to black is fine by me. It doesn't break my immersion like watching creepy puppets rub against each other. Nevermind. More or less with you on that. I'm rather more skeptical about the notion that tribal cultures involving constant nudity don't have to deal with sexual violence, much less that moving in that direction is something that would help western women, or at least the ones living in climates allowing for it. Seems to me that such a thing would be almost impossible to determine through such a thick cultural barrier. I'm looking for stuff on the subject like you suggested, but the articles I'm finding seem heavily biased and/or to not mention any respectable or reliable source studies. As for the US vs European approaches, I'd say Europeans generally have a more moderate idea of nudity, rather than a more liberal one. America has a culture of puritanism and pearl-clutching, no doubt about that, but also some of the most widespread and die-hard sex-worshiping, free love and full-scale nude communities in the world, which are something quite different from a simple nude beach. Personally, I have a hard time seeing either resulting in particularly healthy, happy or safe lifestyles.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 18, 2019 22:14:22 GMT
I honestly couldn’t care if the sex ‘scenes’ in DA4, Cyberpunk or whatever game are FtB, or if there’s full frontal bio or whatever other matter they can be, I’m honestly not interested, and it has minimal value on a game for me (for example, DA2 wouldn’t have been better if there was nudity in it, and DAI wouldn’t be worse if Cassandra’s breasts were covered.) But I don’t like Sony forcing developers to not implement them or censor them, because it’s a needless censorship, and an hypocrital one. Frontal nudity isn’t worse then the gorey violence scenes that other games (or the very ones that get censored for nudity) have, on younger audience.
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Post by river82 on Apr 18, 2019 23:00:54 GMT
Getting rid of romances would make the Tumblr community explode. Now as appealing as it would be watching probably the most "toxic" DA community go nuts ... man it must be so tempting, they probably won't do that. Bioware devs don't want to drown in wrath and hatred do they?
So fade to black if censorship is in play.
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Post by river82 on Apr 18, 2019 23:15:29 GMT
Doing a quick look around and wow, some of those censorship images could have had a bit more thought put into them lol.
https: //twitter.com/uitachibana/status/1055290314909306880
Go here, check some out, take out the space between the colon and the slashes.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 19, 2019 0:20:19 GMT
I'll never understand why so many people freak out about tits and sex so that they're always at risk of getting censored. Its an instinctive reaction of humans to be afraid of what they do not know. So in other words lots of sexually barren soccer moms and angry wrinkly dads in their twilight years who barely remember how romance is even spelled correctly deciding what kind of *gasp* sexy pixel combinations the still living are allowed to see on the screen.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 19, 2019 1:02:25 GMT
Why does Sony think it's their job to babysit adults? They can get fucked.
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Post by melbella on Apr 19, 2019 1:24:57 GMT
Why does Sony think it's their job to babysit adults? They can get fucked.
Because kids are their real target audience and they are trying to cover their asses?
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Post by river82 on Apr 19, 2019 1:36:41 GMT
Why does Sony think it's their job to babysit adults? They can get fucked.
Because kids are their real target audience and they are trying to cover their asses?
Japanese developers have been worried over western consumer backlash since … er, rapelay. IIRC (it's been a while) some Japanese games couldn't be played outside Japan for quite a while. The Wall Street Journal points to the rise of the MeToo movement and Sony's concern about a social movement targeting them. Whether you think that's a legitimate concern or not is another matter.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 19, 2019 3:56:28 GMT
As usual the games that get "censored" will just become more popular. Sadly for Sony those sales will be on other platforms. Much the same way I first discovered Bioware. I had never played any of their previous games (I have since) and had never even heard of Bioware till I saw a news report about a video game allowing the player to have "the lesbian sex" with "humanoid blue aliens" and how it was all horrible and ruining our children. I thought "Sounds Awesome!". Ran right out to buy Mass Effect for the first time, and the rest was history as they say.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Apr 19, 2019 10:16:43 GMT
This thread really highlights the main difference between European & American attitudes towards sex & Nudity as well as violence, but, the question I have to ask is, why do Sony feel the need to do this? A parent can set the ps4 to limit the age rating of games played on it & set a password to stop their kids unlocking it, this is if memory serves, I'm in my early 30's & only I play my PS4, so nothing is locked out.
So, instead of Sony feeling like they should be the one to change this, maybe they should highlight this feature & put the spotlight back on those that complain about it, as they can lock it out, or, if you're the sort of person that is easily offended by a few pixel boobies, don't buy the fucking game & even if you do because it is optional content I.E BW romances, then stop complaining it's in the game as it's you, as the consumer that has the choice, you shouldn't need software developers making these choices for you, just because you want to be a keyboard warrior & moan about something.
Ok, I'm done, that's just my thoughts on this.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 19, 2019 15:33:31 GMT
Here is the thing. Sony, is imposing limitations on acceptable sexual explicit content for Playstation games. This may or may not impact DA4, depending on the studio's vision of the end-game romance whirlwind.
Will Microsoft follow suit? Or, will Bio simply animate another scene for the PlayStation leaving the real goodies elsewhere?
Comments?
Can you post the full article? The link is to WSJ which requires a sub/log-in to read more than two sentences.
Unfortunately, it's behind a paywall.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 19, 2019 15:39:36 GMT
Most romance scenes in games are nowhere close to being porn and can be artistic and tastefully done, ME1 for example. Sexual depictions do not always equal pornography. I don't personally get off on sex in games as sex is pretty easy for me to come by, so I'm more than ok with fade to black. I'm a Solasmancer and found the removal of Lavellan's Vallaslin far more romantic than any sex scene, personally? what I'm against is censorship. I don't need sex in games either, but it's the principle of the thing. Censorship of nudity is simply idiotic from any even remotely reasonable point of view. Combined with not censoring even the worst kind of violence, it goes off into full-blown insanity.
Most romance scenes in games are almost boringly tame in terms of actual sexual content as well. Even if you're idiotic enough to support censorship in the first place, if you want to censor *that* your mind is as alien to me as the mind of Cthulhu.
I've always said that when sex enters the picture, common sense and sanity fly out of the window. This is just one more piece of evidence in support of that statement.
If the consoles are flogged at the younger crowd (ie: family games like Mario) permitting a semi-adult game may be the wrong thing to do from their PoV.
This policy is probably for the local (Japanese) population and it's easier to control with one policy for all. Just spitballing here.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 19, 2019 15:41:42 GMT
Honestly... I'm indifferent regarding how the love scenes are presented; a simple fade to black would be fine by me. I thought the same until I romanced Josephine and realized how much I missed seeing a little naked flesh. She doesn't even show you so much as an ankle.
That was a romance? Perhaps in the Victorian era?
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