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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 21, 2019 19:44:14 GMT
They need to keep the romances in. Part of the thing that makes bioware games what they are is companions and our interactions with them. Romances are a big part of that Whether you like it or not, romances is one of the selling features of Bioware games and right now Bioware is in NO condition whatsoever to give up any of the few trademark features fans like so much. That's kind of what i was saying.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 21, 2019 19:51:50 GMT
They can keep the romances. Just cut the sex scenes. Most of the content is still there, the romance isn’t harmed, and they get rid of the most costly part.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 21, 2019 19:53:13 GMT
Whether you like it or not, romances is one of the selling features of Bioware games and right now Bioware is in NO condition whatsoever to give up any of the few trademark features fans like so much. That's kind of what i was saying. I know, thats why I rephrased it slightly so I don't get sued for copyright infringement.
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 21, 2019 20:06:09 GMT
On the contrary, AlanC9, I’ve heard numerous times that the romances are very resource-intensive. Regardless, they should not be cut. It is one of the main factors Bioware has created the best games compared to second tier RPGs like the new breed of CRPGs coming out. Oh sure, you probably want BioWare to keep the romances because you enjoy them. Why don’t you think about EA’s profit margins for once? Do you know how many cosmetic upgrades they could sell if they didn’t have to waste time and effort crafting romances, you selfish fuck? [/sarcasm]
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 21, 2019 20:06:10 GMT
They can keep the romances. Just cut the sex scenes. Most of the content is still there, the romance isn’t harmed, and they get rid of the most costly part.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 21, 2019 20:58:26 GMT
On the contrary, AlanC9, I’ve heard numerous times that the romances are very resource-intensive. Depends. If people demand graphicly detailed sex scenes for each romance, yeah I can see how that would be pretty resource-intensive.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 21, 2019 21:56:48 GMT
Expense and time aren't quite the same thing. Depends on whether Bio keeps its cinematic designers somewhat overtasked. Which they might; my impression is that people who can do that job well are not all that common at game companies.
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Post by melbella on Apr 21, 2019 22:04:11 GMT
Now if you raise your voice to them you are evil and on par with bing crosby.
Just a hunch here, but I don't think you really mean Bing Crosby? If you are going to throw out the name of a person that other people are like, especially in a negative way, you should probably throw out the right one.
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Post by Aliaspig on Apr 21, 2019 22:05:44 GMT
Agreed. You know who should play parents? Actual parents. Corporations don't need to step into that role. *removed* *removed* As for the actual topic of this thread, this statement from Sony will mean literally nothing for AAA games. Sony has said for years that will be implementing stricter guidelines for sexual content on their platform. They are almost certainly only thinking about the kinds of games that are popular in the Japanese market. The ones that depict young girls in scantily clad clothing and far more explicit content than Bioware would ever put in their games.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 21, 2019 23:19:10 GMT
Now if you raise your voice to them you are evil and on par with bing crosby.
Just a hunch here, but I don't think you really mean Bing Crosby? If you are going to throw out the name of a person that other people are like, especially in a negative way, you should probably throw out the right one.
We spelled it the same way. Also since we are talking about vocabulary and such you should have said "If you are going to throw out the name of someone that people like" rather then "If you are gonna throw out the name of a person that other people are like" and the rest of your post was a bit messy as well. And it is well known that bing crosby actually beat his kids. Well the first family he had not the second.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 21, 2019 23:22:00 GMT
They can keep the romances. Just cut the sex scenes. Most of the content is still there, the romance isn’t harmed, and they get rid of the most costly part. They don't have to have them detailed. I don't understand why people seem to loathe sex scenes in games so much. I mean Something like they had in ME1 wasn't bad. I am not saying turn it into porn or something but I don't see the big deal. Especially when my suggestion about not hiring celeberities to do voice acting because you have to pay them more was shot down hard. I wrote a thread about that a while back. A good voice actor like jennifer hale would be much cheaper the freddie prince jr.
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Post by river82 on Apr 21, 2019 23:24:16 GMT
Just a hunch here, but I don't think you really mean Bing Crosby? We spelled it the same way. *Whispers* I think you mean Bill Cosby xD
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 21, 2019 23:26:42 GMT
We spelled it the same way. *Whispers* I think you mean Bill Cosby xD No I meant BING CROSBY. He was an old actor who people often use when talking about abusive parents. He was quite famous in the sixties and forward. Go look it up
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Post by melbella on Apr 21, 2019 23:26:42 GMT
you should have said "If you are going to throw out the name of someone that people like" rather then "If you are gonna throw out the name of a person that other people are like" No, I shouldn't have, because that isn't what I meant.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 21, 2019 23:27:11 GMT
you should have said "If you are going to throw out the name of someone that people like" rather then "If you are gonna throw out the name of a person that other people are like" No, I shouldn't have, because that isn't what I meant. Then what do you mean?
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Post by river82 on Apr 21, 2019 23:31:02 GMT
*Whispers* I think you mean Bill Cosby xD No I meant BING CROSBY. He was an old actor who people often use when talking about abusive parents. He was quite famous in the sixties and forward. Go look it up Some less than concrete mob connections, and the sort of abuse of children that wasn't really out of the norm a hundred years ago that was likely exaggerated because that is what people tend to do. Pretty mild, and not what I would call "evil" ...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 21, 2019 23:55:52 GMT
They can keep the romances. Just cut the sex scenes. Most of the content is still there, the romance isn’t harmed, and they get rid of the most costly part. They don't have to have them detailed. I don't understand why people seem to loathe sex scenes in games so much. I mean Something like they had in ME1 wasn't bad. I am not saying turn it into porn or something but I don't see the big deal. Especially when my suggestion about not hiring celeberities to do voice acting because you have to pay them more was shot down hard. I wrote a thread about that a while back. A good voice actor like jennifer hale would be much cheaper the freddie prince jr. It depends on the person. It could be for biological reasons, cultural reasons, individual reasons, etc.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 22, 2019 0:33:20 GMT
They can keep the romances. Just cut the sex scenes. Most of the content is still there, the romance isn’t harmed, and they get rid of the most costly part. They don't have to have them detailed. I don't understand why people seem to loathe sex scenes in games so much. I mean Something like they had in ME1 wasn't bad. I am not saying turn it into porn or something but I don't see the big deal. Especially when my suggestion about not hiring celeberities to do voice acting because you have to pay them more was shot down hard. I wrote a thread about that a while back. A good voice actor like jennifer hale would be much cheaper the freddie prince jr. Well personally I don't loathe the sex scenes, I just think they look silly and are completely unnecessary for me to enjoy the romance. I get that the majority of people seem to like them, so maybe offer a choice like Cora's romance.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 22, 2019 13:34:44 GMT
On the other hand, removing actual romances would be a blow. They've been a feature of the entire Dragon Age franchise so that would effect a large percentage of the fan base, myself included. If they did remove romances from the next DA game, would that mean the game be released at an earlier date? Or would Bioware use that extra time to add some more content or use that time for more polishing?
LOL, Well, more content = increased polishing necessities.
Romances and romance cut scenes are basically add ons to the game. they are done in parallel with the actual game development (ie: combat maps, solo maps... etc). Removal of the sexy scenes may buy you little except for the cost reduction in the use of EA's farm of graphic generation PCs. These are used by any EA studio so scheduling is always an issue. It does impact your projections if you are behind a slow moving queue. So, planning in this area is also important. The old 5 Ps come in handy = proper planning prevents poor performance.
So, removal will buy you some time but it's hard to quantify, imo.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 22, 2019 13:46:43 GMT
They need to keep the romances in. Part of the thing that makes bioware games what they are is companions and our interactions with them. Romances are a big part of that Whether you like it or not, romances is one of the selling features of Bioware games and right now Bioware is in NO condition whatsoever to give up any of the few trademark features fans like so much.
That's true for Bio aware fans. For the looter-shooter crowd, not so much.
This studio has alienated their old RPG fans for quite some time. If we are now back to a RPG renaissance this may work. But, even then, what is Bio's target audience, given Anthem? Will the studio switch back to the Bio RPG fan base? And how large is this base? Using Anthem's code base instead of DA:I is a clue, imo, to their actual game design goals.
A hybrid RPG - MP looter shooter satisfies no one, if Anthem can be used as an example. Romance ala Josephine is doable but a waste to the looter-shooter crowd.
Understanding Bio's target gamer for DA4 reveals what DA4 will actually be. As a live-service + use of some of Anthem's code base? ... even more.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 22, 2019 15:10:36 GMT
A hybrid RPG - MP looter shooter satisfies no one, if Anthem can be used as an example. Romance ala Josephine is doable but a waste to the looter-shooter crowd. Does the looter-shooter crowd really care about romances?
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 22, 2019 15:37:45 GMT
They can keep the romances. Just cut the sex scenes. Most of the content is still there, the romance isn’t harmed, and they get rid of the most costly part. I wholeheartedly agree with stem, no if they aren’t going to bother with adult romances including sex there’s no point in the romances.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 22, 2019 16:58:47 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with stem, no if they aren’t going to bother with adult romances including sex there’s no point in the romances. I disagree in concept. I don’t think the sex scenes are necessary to romances, and they can very well be adult in themes without them. Not that I’m against sex scenes, but the notion that without them the romances are not adult or not valuable is not one I agree with. Howewer, I don’t agree on having them cut by default for censorship reasons, as for Sony’s possibly new policy.
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Post by rahavan on Apr 22, 2019 21:47:56 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with stem, no if they aren’t going to bother with adult romances including sex there’s no point in the romances. I disagree in concept. I don’t think the sex scenes are necessary to romances, and they can very well be adult in themes without them. Not that I’m against sex scenes, but the notion that without them the romances are not adult or not valuable is not one I agree with. Howewer, I don’t agree on having them cut by default for censorship reasons, as for Sony’s possibly new policy. 100% agree romances irl mostly consist of non-sexual parts. Sex for many people is actually a small part of a relationship (an important one but still small). I get that's its a fantasy game and reality shouldn't always set the precedent but whats stopping people from head cannoning the rampant sexual acts you PC can do? BW could do a fade to black instead of a sex scene and I'm pretty sure most people would be satisfied and if you arent, well, there are dark corners of the internet that will fulfill your needs
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 23, 2019 0:00:05 GMT
A number of posts have been removed for completely veering away from the topic of the thread into real world issues. There are plenty of places on the internet to discuss real world social and political issues. This forum is not one of them.
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