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Post by melbella on Apr 25, 2019 1:14:07 GMT
Blood magic was what she initially used to fix it
Blood magic is how she cleansed the taint from the fragment she recovered, allowing her to study it. We don't actually know how she managed to turn that fragment into an entire mirror. Since the demon was on Sundermount, and the rest of the fragments in the Brecilian Forest, it doesn't seem likely that she collected the rest of them to cleanse and put back together. That means she didn't fix a broken mirror.....she built a new one from scratch, which is quite remarkable.
Contrast this with Morrigan simply stumbling across an already intact mirror in the Dragon Wastes. All she needed was the magic word to open it, which she got from the book. There's also the one she had repaired in Serault, but again, this isn't Morrigan using her own skills to fix anything - this is her getting other people to do it for her. (granted, that's a skill also, but says nothing about her magical ability/knowledge.)
This clearly must have been the case if she destroyed her eluvian in DA2
I don't think her mirror is visible in the crossroads if it was destroyed in DA2. I could be wrong though, because I don't have very many world states with the mirror destroyed.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 25, 2019 18:04:58 GMT
There's also the one she had repaired in Serault, but again, this isn't Morrigan using her own skills to fix anything - this is her getting other people to do it for her.
Never fully played that mini-game but who exactly was doing the fixing? Serault is famous for its glass so did they supply the glass which she then magically enchanted? That suggests you don't need a great deal of magic simply to repair it but only to activate it.
Besides, as I keep pointing out, in a world state where you rival her, Merrill destroys the eluvian at the end of DA2, so the sum total of her achievement there was to cleanse a shard, add some additional glass and then shatter it all again.
It also occurs to me that only organic matter can be infected with the taint, which suggests that the eluvian is in some way a living organism. In which case may be you can simply grow the stuff that looks like a mirror so long as you have a small piece available as a starting point.
I don't think her mirror is visible in the crossroads if it was destroyed in DA2. I could be wrong though, because I don't have very many world states with the mirror destroyed Most of my world states have it destroyed which is why I wasn't even aware you could see it in the Crossroads. I must admit I never understood her logic there. My Hawke wasn't against fixing the eluvian but her means of trying to achieve it. I would have advised her just to place it in store whilst we looked for a better way than consulting with an ancient demon. Instead, after being so stubbornly attached to the idea of restoring it, she suddenly turned round a smashed it, which seemed rather petty and pointless to me.
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Post by Blaze on Apr 30, 2019 17:12:18 GMT
I must admit I never understood her logic there. My Hawke wasn't against fixing the eluvian but her means of trying to achieve it. I would have advised her just to place it in store whilst we looked for a better way than consulting with an ancient demon. Instead, after being so stubbornly attached to the idea of restoring it, she suddenly turned round a smashed it, which seemed rather petty and pointless to me. she destroyed it to remove herself from temptation, because she knew she might try to fix it again. or maybe she just blamed the mirror for the clan turning on her and was indeed just petty. regardless, whether you rivaled her or not and regardless if she smashed the mirror or not, she seem to shift her focus to helping other elves by the time of inquisition.
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Post by vertigomez on May 8, 2019 0:30:24 GMT
I like your rankings! Just adding my two cents wrt the rogues and warriors. In terms of in-universe abilities that they're said to have, and taking their backgrounds into account, I'd put....
Cassandra above Fenris, and Bull above Blackwall. Cassandra's theoretically supposed to be able to boil the lyrium in a person's blood, and Fenris has lyrium embedded in his flesh. Fenris has the edge on almost ANY other warrior in the series because ain't nobody expecting those lyrium ghost powers and few people could realistically combat them effectively, but if anyone could, it's Cassandra. She's also a little older and more experienced, and likely has had more formal training. Plus she practices aaaaalll the time. Blackwall was an officer and won the Grand Tourney, but Bull has been in the military since he was fourteen and was fighting in an active combat zone (Seheron) for ten years, joined a mercenary troupe, founded his OWN mercenary troupe.... I just feel like he's had more experience and opportunity to hone his fighting skills. Plus his Reaver skills give him an edge against Joe Swordsman.
For the rogues, I'd say Cole outranks Zevran simply because it's mentioned over and over again that Zevran relies on poison and surprise attacks. Alistair doesn't think he's very impressive 1v1. Cole is like a.... weird spirit boy who doesn't eat or sleep and reads minds, so unless he becomes more human I don't see Zevran getting the jump on him. And I'd put Isabela and Sigrun above Varric because piracy and dueling and Dust Town and darkspawn.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 2:26:18 GMT
I find we're placing assassins higher than archers overall in rankings. I am wandering about Varric though. It's been mentioned plentifully that he's in conflict with various guilds that don't hesitate to use shadow tactics and Varric had survived numerous assassination attempts some of which I'm sure were pretty decent. Yet, he doesn't even have any good stories to tell about how he keeps finding killers under his pillow every time he turns over in bed, which sounds like he had evaded them easily enough and has plenty of experience in this department. I think he can surprise some even most skilled ones.
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Post by cyberpunker on May 8, 2019 3:46:32 GMT
I like your rankings! Just adding my two cents wrt the rogues and warriors. In terms of in-universe abilities that they're said to have, and taking their backgrounds into account, I'd put.... Cassandra above Fenris, and Bull above Blackwall. Cassandra's theoretically supposed to be able to boil the lyrium in a person's blood, and Fenris has lyrium embedded in his flesh. Fenris has the edge on almost ANY other warrior in the series because ain't nobody expecting those lyrium ghost powers and few people could realistically combat them effectively, but if anyone could, it's Cassandra. She's also a little older and more experienced, and likely has had more formal training. Plus she practices aaaaalll the time. Blackwall was an officer and won the Grand Tourney, but Bull has been in the military since he was fourteen and was fighting in an active combat zone (Seheron) for ten years, joined a mercenary troupe, founded his OWN mercenary troupe.... I just feel like he's had more experience and opportunity to hone his fighting skills. Plus his Reaver skills give him an edge against Joe Swordsman. For the rogues, I'd say Cole outranks Zevran simply because it's mentioned over and over again that Zevran relies on poison and surprise attacks. Alistair doesn't think he's very impressive 1v1. Cole is like a.... weird spirit boy who doesn't eat or sleep and reads minds, so unless he becomes more human I don't see Zevran getting the jump on him. And I'd put Isabela and Sigrun above Varric because piracy and dueling and Dust Town and darkspawn. Thanks! The reason I put Fenris over Cassandra is that Fenris' lyrium is embedded in his flesh like we all know, and so Cassandra won't be able to blood boil it. Fenris' fade powers are the reason why I think he will edge out all the others. Good point about Iron Bull vs Blackwall. I guess I did discount Iron Bull's experiences. Haha yeah, Cole vs Zevran is a tough one. Zevran isn't a good 1v1 duelist and like you, I don't think the lore presents him as such. He does have a chance to become leader of the Crows, or murdering all the Crows. But yeah, Cole's spirit abilities just give him a huge edge as a rogue. Nice point about Sigrun vs Varric. What do you think about Bianca being such a crazy equalizer though? Plus Varric is a spymaster too. Isabella would probably win against any one of the Rogues in a straight up 1 v 1 duel. Hard to say who would win if it was her against Varric IMO. How do you see it playing out?
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Post by cyberpunker on May 8, 2019 3:49:48 GMT
I find we're placing assassins higher than archers overall in rankings. I am wandering about Varric though. It's been mentioned plentifully that he's in conflict with various guilds that don't hesitate to use shadow tactics and Varric had survived numerous assassination attempts some of which I'm sure were pretty decent. Yet, he doesn't even have any good stories to tell about how he keeps finding killers under his pillow every time he turns over in bed, which sounds like he had evaded them easily enough and has plenty of experience in this department. I think he can surprise some even most skilled ones. My take is that Varric's Bianca and his spy network equalize the other rogues' stealth abilities. If Varric were allowed use of his spy network, he would have a higher chance countering the stealth rogues, except the best like Zevran or Cole. Archers are very powerful but I find that in a Rogue vs Rogue, the stealthier one would get the win, especially if Archers get jumped up close in melee by twin daggers. Varric and Leliana are higher than the rest because they have spy networks that will counteract the stealth advantage somewhat. Also, Leliana's bard skills and Varric's Bianca would be an additional equalizer. Being a bard, Leliana would be also very stealthy and able to counterspy. Varric might get jumped but Bianca would be so powerful relative to the rest that it might save him.
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