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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 23, 2020 14:36:51 GMT
Up deleted his account again? Nonsensical. It's actually possible to just not post instead of creating new accounts. It's like an attempt to erase his history even though he always uses a similar name.
Though I liked MEA, if there were a reboot (which I don't want), I'd skip MEA and make use of some of MEA's cast in various capacities. Alec Ryder would surely be of use, especially when making use of SAM against Reaper Tech. Of course, if it went that route we'd need more games to fit in these additional players.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 23, 2020 14:39:51 GMT
Up deleted his account again? Nonsensical. It's actually possible to just not post instead of creating new accounts. It's like an attempt to erase his history even though he always uses a similar name. Though I liked MEA, if there were a reboot (which I don't want), I'd skip MEA and make use of some of MEA's cast in various capacities. Alec Ryder would surely be of use, especially when making use of SAM against Reaper Tech. Of course, if it went that route we'd need more games to fit in these additional players. Argh please not again that Reaper stuff. It got resolved by the end of ME1 and then we went to Andromeda
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 23, 2020 14:49:44 GMT
Up deleted his account again? Nonsensical. It's actually possible to just not post instead of creating new accounts. It's like an attempt to erase his history even though he always uses a similar name. Though I liked MEA, if there were a reboot (which I don't want), I'd skip MEA and make use of some of MEA's cast in various capacities. Alec Ryder would surely be of use, especially when making use of SAM against Reaper Tech. Of course, if it went that route we'd need more games to fit in these additional players. Argh please not again that Reaper stuff. It got resolved by the end of ME1 and then we went to Andromeda You'd do a REBOOT with different enemies? Why bother with a reboot at all? Just make a continuation.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 23, 2020 14:52:50 GMT
Argh please not again that Reaper stuff. It got resolved by the end of ME1 and then we went to Andromeda You'd do a REBOOT with different enemies? Why bother with a reboot at all? Just make a continuation. No I wouldnt do any reboot or remake/remaster at all, sorry.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 23, 2020 15:03:25 GMT
You'd do a REBOOT with different enemies? Why bother with a reboot at all? Just make a continuation. No I wouldnt do any reboot or remake/remaster at all, sorry. Oh, well, neither would I. It was all a hypothetical of what to do if BioWare went that route. Quote from the original post you responded to: "Though I liked MEA, if there were a reboot ( which I don't want)..."
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Post by themikefest on Mar 23, 2020 19:08:48 GMT
Though I liked MEA, if there were a reboot (which I don't want), I'd skip MEA and make use of some of MEA's cast in various capacities. Alec Ryder would surely be of use, especially when making use of SAM against Reaper Tech. Of course, if it went that route we'd need more games to fit in these additional players. I would have no problem if Bioware chooses to reboot. I don't see it happening. What could happen is in ME1, Shepard meets Alec who is then introduced to his kids. He mentions they're going to Andromeda for some sightseeing. Later in the game, Shepard meets Garson who talks about her wanting to make a new home in Andromeda. When on the moon, Shepard and squad are able to see the Hyperion under construction. In ME2, the Andromeda project is nearing completion. IN ME3, the reaper invasion happens. In ME4, the Andromeda project gets back to building using some tech from the destroyed reapers. MEA starts with Garson, Ryder and kids leaving for Andromeda.
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Post by SilentK on May 22, 2020 21:53:34 GMT
I want to explore Andromeda!
Get the quarians over there, let's see something new in the game.
If they went back to the Milky Way players will just try to revive Shepard...again... and we have done the reapers already. I am all for seeing more of this new world. Maybe we could return to the planets that had their vaults fixed and see what they look a few years later. Personally if I want to play my FemShep I load up the game I want or start yet another new Shepard.
I would much rather stay in this new setting and build here.
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Post by shermos on Jul 28, 2020 2:25:19 GMT
I am in favor of Andromeda just being continued in comics or occasionally mentioned. I want to return to the Milky Way. Andromeda can be like Ultimate Marvel or Age of Apocalypse. Occasionally referenced, but not mainly focused on.
This. But I'd be fine if continuing the franchise in both galaxies was the way Bioware wanted to go. I'm honestly not sure they will be able to make another good Mass Effect game though, especially from a narrative perspective. Dragon Age 4 will be an interesting barometer.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 17, 2020 3:33:06 GMT
I am in favor of Andromeda just being continued in comics or occasionally mentioned. I want to return to the Milky Way. Andromeda can be like Ultimate Marvel or Age of Apocalypse. Occasionally referenced, but not mainly focused on.
This. But I'd be fine if continuing the franchise in both galaxies was the way Bioware wanted to go. I'm honestly not sure they will be able to make another good Mass Effect game though, especially from a narrative perspective. Dragon Age 4 will be an interesting barometer.
No way BW would have two Mass Effect franchises going at the same time. Honestly, not sure we need one at this point. Loved the MET. My favorite game series ever. Liked MEA well enough. Found Ryder enjoyable. There's no recapturing what ME created. It was Shepard, pretty much to the core. If you remove him/her from the picture then it's not really Mass Effect anymore. Give MEA comics, like cyberpunker said. Let Shepard be: dead, a Reaper, green goo permeating all life, or settle down with Kaidan (or, grudgingly, whoever - or no one if that's how it pans out).
Create a new franchise and make it kick ass. Make it SP, not some cash grab stuff that totally flops (Anthem). It could have an MP component if need be like what existed in ME3 and MEA but should primarily be for the single player. Mass Effect has had its day in the sun. If nothing else, MEA has shown that attaching the name to something that's not Shepard-centric just won't work. I honestly believe it would have gone over much better if people didn't perceive it as MET-like. That didn't work so time to look elsewhere. If you can't a solid team who is given time to develop I'm sure something amazing could come out of it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 17, 2020 5:51:01 GMT
This. But I'd be fine if continuing the franchise in both galaxies was the way Bioware wanted to go. I'm honestly not sure they will be able to make another good Mass Effect game though, especially from a narrative perspective. Dragon Age 4 will be an interesting barometer.
No way BW would have two Mass Effect franchises going at the same time. Honestly, not sure we need one at this point. Loved the MET. My favorite game series ever. Liked MEA well enough. Found Ryder enjoyable. There's no recapturing what ME created. It was Shepard, pretty much to the core. If you remove him/her from the picture then it's not really Mass Effect anymore. Give MEA comics, like cyberpunker said. Let Shepard be: dead, a Reaper, green goo permeating all life, or settle down with Kaidan (or, grudgingly, whoever - or no one if that's how it pans out).
Create a new franchise and make it kick ass. Make it SP, not some cash grab stuff that totally flops (Anthem). It could have an MP component if need be like what existed in ME3 and MEA but should primarily be for the single player. Mass Effect has had its day in the sun. If nothing else, MEA has shown that attaching the name to something that's not Shepard-centric just won't work. I honestly believe it would have gone over much better if people didn't perceive it as MET-like. That didn't work so time to look elsewhere. If you can't a solid team who is given time to develop I'm sure something amazing could come out of it.
Ryder is better than Shepard though.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 17, 2020 6:27:20 GMT
No way BW would have two Mass Effect franchises going at the same time. Honestly, not sure we need one at this point. Loved the MET. My favorite game series ever. Liked MEA well enough. Found Ryder enjoyable. There's no recapturing what ME created. It was Shepard, pretty much to the core. If you remove him/her from the picture then it's not really Mass Effect anymore. Give MEA comics, like cyberpunker said. Let Shepard be: dead, a Reaper, green goo permeating all life, or settle down with Kaidan (or, grudgingly, whoever - or no one if that's how it pans out).
Create a new franchise and make it kick ass. Make it SP, not some cash grab stuff that totally flops (Anthem). It could have an MP component if need be like what existed in ME3 and MEA but should primarily be for the single player. Mass Effect has had its day in the sun. If nothing else, MEA has shown that attaching the name to something that's not Shepard-centric just won't work. I honestly believe it would have gone over much better if people didn't perceive it as MET-like. That didn't work so time to look elsewhere. If you can't a solid team who is given time to develop I'm sure something amazing could come out of it.
Ryder is better than Shepard though. Valid opinion, certainly, but one had way better reception than the other.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 17, 2020 8:46:33 GMT
Ryder is better than Shepard though. Valid opinion, certainly, but one had way better reception than the other. Was Shepards reception as great in 1 as it was after trilogy was done? I have no idea, I saw the pictures of the game and was amazed but saddened because it was X360 only and I had no intention (still havent) to buy Xbox... So I missed the hype if there was such. Now looking at both 1 and A, A is vastly better in most areas and seems to look like the original plan for ME1.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 17, 2020 15:57:48 GMT
Valid opinion, certainly, but one had way better reception than the other. Was Shepards reception as great in 1 as it was after trilogy was done? I have no idea, I saw the pictures of the game and was amazed but saddened because it was X360 only and I had no intention (still havent) to buy Xbox... So I missed the hype if there was such. Now looking at both 1 and A, A is vastly better in most areas and seems to look like the original plan for ME1. I've considered that in the past. Still, a warrior type is more appealing in an RPG action game. I think Ryder could be that person but that's not what we got.
Again, I loved Ryder. S/he just didn't go over as well.
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Post by shermos on Aug 28, 2020 3:01:58 GMT
This. But I'd be fine if continuing the franchise in both galaxies was the way Bioware wanted to go. I'm honestly not sure they will be able to make another good Mass Effect game though, especially from a narrative perspective. Dragon Age 4 will be an interesting barometer.
No way BW would have two Mass Effect franchises going at the same time. Honestly, not sure we need one at this point. Loved the MET. My favorite game series ever. Liked MEA well enough. Found Ryder enjoyable. There's no recapturing what ME created. It was Shepard, pretty much to the core. If you remove him/her from the picture then it's not really Mass Effect anymore. Give MEA comics, like cyberpunker said. Let Shepard be: dead, a Reaper, green goo permeating all life, or settle down with Kaidan (or, grudgingly, whoever - or no one if that's how it pans out).
Create a new franchise and make it kick ass. Make it SP, not some cash grab stuff that totally flops (Anthem). It could have an MP component if need be like what existed in ME3 and MEA but should primarily be for the single player. Mass Effect has had its day in the sun. If nothing else, MEA has shown that attaching the name to something that's not Shepard-centric just won't work. I honestly believe it would have gone over much better if people didn't perceive it as MET-like. That didn't work so time to look elsewhere. If you can't a solid team who is given time to develop I'm sure something amazing could come out of it.
Granted, Shepard is a major part of what made the original trilogy popular, but I still think the franchise can continue without him/her. MEA was a total screw up except for combat (sorry to offend fans, but this is how the majority of the gaming community sees it). If Bioware can hire some good writers (preferably fans of the OT), properly manage development, and avoid getting too ambitious with open worlds among other things, they can still make a good ME game. This and find a way to deal head on with the hole they dug for themselves with the ME3's ending. DA4 is a good chance to show they've sorted themselves out.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 28, 2020 5:04:31 GMT
No way BW would have two Mass Effect franchises going at the same time. Honestly, not sure we need one at this point. Loved the MET. My favorite game series ever. Liked MEA well enough. Found Ryder enjoyable. There's no recapturing what ME created. It was Shepard, pretty much to the core. If you remove him/her from the picture then it's not really Mass Effect anymore. Give MEA comics, like cyberpunker said. Let Shepard be: dead, a Reaper, green goo permeating all life, or settle down with Kaidan (or, grudgingly, whoever - or no one if that's how it pans out).
Create a new franchise and make it kick ass. Make it SP, not some cash grab stuff that totally flops (Anthem). It could have an MP component if need be like what existed in ME3 and MEA but should primarily be for the single player. Mass Effect has had its day in the sun. If nothing else, MEA has shown that attaching the name to something that's not Shepard-centric just won't work. I honestly believe it would have gone over much better if people didn't perceive it as MET-like. That didn't work so time to look elsewhere. If you can't a solid team who is given time to develop I'm sure something amazing could come out of it.
Granted, Shepard is a major part of what made the original trilogy popular, but I still think the franchise can continue without him/her. MEA was a total screw up except for combat (sorry to offend fans, but this is how the majority of the gaming community sees it). If Bioware can hire some good writers (preferably fans of the OT), properly manage development, and avoid getting too ambitious with open worlds among other things, they can still make a good ME game. This and find a way to deal head on with the hole they dug for themselves with the ME3's ending. DA4 is a good chance to show they've sorted themselves out.
Exactly - Shepard is/was amazing, but as it has been said, Shep's time in the sun is done. Mass Effect can survive and go on without Shep, but as most of us that can look at ME: Andromeda objectively, it was a mess. I though it was a fine game (not great, but not horrible by any means). Yes, Shepard was more well received than Ryder because of what dmc1001 said - a warrior/soldier type tends to go over better in an action/RPG style game. Like he also said, we could have gotten that with Ryder, but (and I won't put words in his mouth) I don't really think we did get that with Ryder. It felt like at times Ryder tried to be that person, but it just seemed to be dropped all together very quickly. I know I'm not the first to make this analogy, but Ryder felt more like Spider-Man trying to lead a group of heroes to take down a villain (see Maximum Carnage) as opposed to Shepard as Captain America leading the Avengers. Both groups were fine, in my opinion (your mileage may vary), but yes - Ryder didn't really go over as well as Shepard did. This simply could be a case of writers not really having a plan at all for Ryder, or things being changed during writing, or no communication whatsoever between writers. We'll never know, really. For me, personally, it took me a very long time to have that connection with Ryder (around the time of Elaaden and meeteing the Archon saving the Salarians). Shepard, I got it after leaving Feros. And again, both characters are fine - I really feel both have positive and negative qualities about them. I'm fine with Shep living his/her life with whomever (or if you decided to make them some sort of weird reaper or use space magic to make everyone glowing masses of green...whatever). To be fair, at the end of ME 1, I said right then and there that Shep should have said, "Okay, I saved the day, I'm out; peace!" and left it at that. I wouldn't say one is better than the other - both have positives and negatives about them. As for Mass Effect's future - I don't know. All I know is, we can't really go back, but, going forward with what's been established so far really might not work out. Who can say, really? Until then, all we can do is speculate.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2020 12:20:08 GMT
Granted, Shepard is a major part of what made the original trilogy popular, but I still think the franchise can continue without him/her. While I would agree, under any other circumstance, the one time we didn't, the franchise died. And sure, it wasn't the only factor, but it died. I would not take the franchise for a second spin, just to test the waters, considering it's already been 3 years, with likely another 6, before the franchise makes a comeback. I'd be a fool to do so.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 28, 2020 12:25:33 GMT
Granted, Shepard is a major part of what made the original trilogy popular, but I still think the franchise can continue without him/her. MEA was a total screw up except for combat (sorry to offend fans, but this is how the majority of the gaming community sees it). If Bioware can hire some good writers (preferably fans of the OT), properly manage development, and avoid getting too ambitious with open worlds among other things, they can still make a good ME game. This and find a way to deal head on with the hole they dug for themselves with the ME3's ending. DA4 is a good chance to show they've sorted themselves out.
Exactly - Shepard is/was amazing, but as it has been said, Shep's time in the sun is done. Mass Effect can survive and go on without Shep, but as most of us that can look at ME: Andromeda objectively, it was a mess. I though it was a fine game (not great, but not horrible by any means). Yes, Shepard was more well received than Ryder because of what dmc1001 said - a warrior/soldier type tends to go over better in an action/RPG style game. Like he also said, we could have gotten that with Ryder, but (and I won't put words in his mouth) I don't really think we did get that with Ryder. It felt like at times Ryder tried to be that person, but it just seemed to be dropped all together very quickly. I know I'm not the first to make this analogy, but Ryder felt more like Spider-Man trying to lead a group of heroes to take down a villain (see Maximum Carnage) as opposed to Shepard as Captain America leading the Avengers. Both groups were fine, in my opinion (your mileage may vary), but yes - Ryder didn't really go over as well as Shepard did. This simply could be a case of writers not really having a plan at all for Ryder, or things being changed during writing, or no communication whatsoever between writers. We'll never know, really. For me, personally, it took me a very long time to have that connection with Ryder (around the time of Elaaden and meeteing the Archon saving the Salarians). Shepard, I got it after leaving Feros. And again, both characters are fine - I really feel both have positive and negative qualities about them. I'm fine with Shep living his/her life with whomever (or if you decided to make them some sort of weird reaper or use space magic to make everyone glowing masses of green...whatever). To be fair, at the end of ME 1, I said right then and there that Shep should have said, "Okay, I saved the day, I'm out; peace!" and left it at that. I wouldn't say one is better than the other - both have positives and negatives about them. As for Mass Effect's future - I don't know. All I know is, we can't really go back, but, going forward with what's been established so far really might not work out. Who can say, really? Until then, all we can do is speculate. I think I feel similarly to you towards Andromeda as a game, I really didn't have any attachment to Shepard until the second game for the first game Shepard felt just like any FPS character with a few lines of dialogue. I think the second game is where the characters were established and created, but until the second game they all felt disposible to me like Ryder does now. The only character that I thought really stood out in Andromeda was Drack. One thing I also think is missing in this discussion about the quality of Andromeda was both BioWare's track record of development and the status of BioWare Montreal. I know a lot of people like throwing around the whole "18 months to develop" that they read on another website, but that is something BioWare has a long track record of so it wasn't new to the game. The other thing is that BioWare Montreal was a new studio and very few veteran developers from BioWare Edmonton were working on the game. It sounded like a lot of the developers this was their first big game to develop so all those factors probably amplified the standard BioWare issues including a couple of months of crunch before shipping.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 29, 2020 2:22:00 GMT
Exactly - Shepard is/was amazing, but as it has been said, Shep's time in the sun is done. Mass Effect can survive and go on without Shep, but as most of us that can look at ME: Andromeda objectively, it was a mess. I though it was a fine game (not great, but not horrible by any means). Yes, Shepard was more well received than Ryder because of what dmc1001 said - a warrior/soldier type tends to go over better in an action/RPG style game. Like he also said, we could have gotten that with Ryder, but (and I won't put words in his mouth) I don't really think we did get that with Ryder. It felt like at times Ryder tried to be that person, but it just seemed to be dropped all together very quickly. I know I'm not the first to make this analogy, but Ryder felt more like Spider-Man trying to lead a group of heroes to take down a villain (see Maximum Carnage) as opposed to Shepard as Captain America leading the Avengers. Both groups were fine, in my opinion (your mileage may vary), but yes - Ryder didn't really go over as well as Shepard did. This simply could be a case of writers not really having a plan at all for Ryder, or things being changed during writing, or no communication whatsoever between writers. We'll never know, really. For me, personally, it took me a very long time to have that connection with Ryder (around the time of Elaaden and meeteing the Archon saving the Salarians). Shepard, I got it after leaving Feros. And again, both characters are fine - I really feel both have positive and negative qualities about them. I'm fine with Shep living his/her life with whomever (or if you decided to make them some sort of weird reaper or use space magic to make everyone glowing masses of green...whatever). To be fair, at the end of ME 1, I said right then and there that Shep should have said, "Okay, I saved the day, I'm out; peace!" and left it at that. I wouldn't say one is better than the other - both have positives and negatives about them. As for Mass Effect's future - I don't know. All I know is, we can't really go back, but, going forward with what's been established so far really might not work out. Who can say, really? Until then, all we can do is speculate. I think I feel similarly to you towards Andromeda as a game, I really didn't have any attachment to Shepard until the second game for the first game Shepard felt just like any FPS character with a few lines of dialogue. I think the second game is where the characters were established and created, but until the second game they all felt disposible to me like Ryder does now. The only character that I thought really stood out in Andromeda was Drack. Yeah.....Drack was the only one that really did feel like he was "head and shoulders" above the rest of the crew. Your point about not feeling attachment towards Shepard until ME 2 is fair. I can see why you (and probably many others) felt that way. It's a shame that Ryder is "disposable" but yeah...it really does feel like that, unfortunately. One thing I also think is missing in this discussion about the quality of Andromeda was both BioWare's track record of development and the status of BioWare Montreal. I know a lot of people like throwing around the whole "18 months to develop" that they read on another website, but that is something BioWare has a long track record of so it wasn't new to the game. The other thing is that BioWare Montreal was a new studio and very few veteran developers from BioWare Edmonton were working on the game. It sounded like a lot of the developers this was their first big game to develop so all those factors probably amplified the standard BioWare issues including a couple of months of crunch before shipping. This is also a fair point to make - yes, we can keep saying "18 Months!" all we want, but at the same time, Bioware Montreal was a new studio, and EA made the choice to focus on Anthem, leaving Andromeda to pretty much be the mess it is/was. EA only saw the success that the OT was, and expected name alone to carry the torch. I think if given proper support by more of the veteran staff that worked on Mass Effect, the game could have been much better than what we got.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 29, 2020 3:01:56 GMT
This is also a fair point to make - yes, we can keep saying "18 Months!" all we want, but at the same time, Bioware Montreal was a new studio, and EA made the choice to focus on Anthem, leaving Andromeda to pretty much be the mess it is/was. EA only saw the success that the OT was, and expected name alone to carry the torch. I think if given proper support by more of the veteran staff that worked on Mass Effect, the game could have been much better than what we got. Now I am not exactly sure how accurate this is due it all coming from a single report, but there seemed to be a rift between the two studios and BioWare Montreal pretty much told BioWare Edmonton to take a hike because they felt they were trying to control the project and they felt they didn't need the help. If that is the case to me the fault there lies on BioWare Montreal for the elders were trying to help, but it was turned away. If true that does explain why some of the systems felt less advanced or polished then what Dragon Age: Inquisition had for they wanted to do everything on their own.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 29, 2020 4:08:51 GMT
Now I am not exactly sure how accurate this is due it all coming from a single report, but there seemed to be a rift between the two studios and BioWare Montreal pretty much told BioWare Edmonton to take a hike because they felt they were trying to control the project and they felt they didn't need the help. If that is the case to me the fault there lies on BioWare Montreal for the elders were trying to help, but it was turned away. If true that does explain why some of the systems felt less advanced or polished then what Dragon Age: Inquisition had for they wanted to do everything on their own. Fair enough; I don't know if we'll ever know the answers, really. But yeah, these are all valid points to raise and should be taken into consideration when discussing Andromeda (for or against).
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Post by Polka Dot on Sept 20, 2020 15:16:36 GMT
Ryder is better than Shepard though. Valid opinion, certainly, but one had way better reception than the other. 'Tis true, but a lot of that was due to expectations and comparisons to Shepard. People came to love Shep over the course of an entire trilogy. Any other new character was bound to be heavily scrutinized and compared, and I don't know how you'd "win" at that game. If the new PC is similar to Shep, they'd be called "Shep-light" or "Shep2" or "Almost-Shep" or something. Create a totally different character based on a different archetype, and you get - what we got. People's experience of ME is so closely interwoven with playing as Shep, that a lot of folks just can't untangle them (or perhaps don't even try). If it's ME, it must be Shepard in their minds. I don't know what or how the MEA PR and marketing campaign could have done differently to adjust people's expectations. They were pretty clear about Ryder being new and unproven, and a pathfinder rather than a military hero. I also think there was an effort to purposely damage its reception. Ugly videos starting popping up as soon as they released some footage of an animator working on Peebee's facial expressions - apparently some people weren't keen on her appearance, and of course they're entitled to wimminz they wanna fuck. So they started trashing it before the demo was even released.
I still sometimes see comments (mostly on reddit) from people who recently bought MEA (at a deep discount) and are really surprised that it's as good as it is - because it was so harshly trashed by troll vids and brigading on metacritic.
Even now, on this very forum - which is supposedly for fans of BioWare games - we still see quite a few posts from people who do nothing but whine that an entertainment product did not meet their expectations in some way. Eight years later some folks are still complaining about ME3's endings, and not in a way that is remotely constructive. It's just more of the same repetitive bellyaching. Some seem to think BioWare owes them an apology, or they want them to acknowledge some sort of wrongdoing, and apparently aren't ever going to suck it up and move on. My point is that the constant griping serves no purpose other than to further harm or prevent the healing of BioWare's reputation and the morale of the people working on the games. I mean, when your supposed fans are this consistently negative...
Didn't mean to direct this rant at you, dmc. Sorry 'bout that.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 20, 2020 15:48:29 GMT
I don't feel like quoting something that long.
Or from concept to execution Ryder just wasn't a good character on his own, without even comparing him to Shepard. There are a lot of character concepts they could have gone with that were totally different than Sheppard and not lame like Ryder.
Maybe people can untangle their experiences of ME form Shep and still just didn't like MEA or the characters.
Maybe even after release and patches a lot of characters just looked bad, peebees face stripe didn't do her any favors.
And maybe you can be a fan and still not like things, and pretending you do doesn't help you get what you want. In fact giving a shit about it 8 years later kind of proves you are a fan imo, because if you weren't you wouldn't care.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 20, 2020 17:42:11 GMT
Maybe even after release and patches a lot of characters just looked bad, peebees face stripe didn't do her any favors. Just have played all four (end of A is nearing), and can say in OT the NPCs looked wayyy more bad, and even main cast wasnt as good except mainly Liara and Garrus maybe in animation and overall visual department. This is of course my opinion, but I think its quite clear. Combine this with lighting errors especially in 2 and 3, didnt look good today.Jarring things in A are the misaligned lookingpoint and some mouth and eye movements, but overall they have more going on. Funnily I also noticed ME1 has most smoothest animation playback of all four (on PC), it seems others are not played back on full resolution/speed or then its intentional (memory space was tight on PS3&X360). I didnt finish 2 or 3.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 20, 2020 21:14:44 GMT
I still sometimes see comments (mostly on reddit) from people who recently bought MEA (at a deep discount) and are really surprised that it's as good as it is - because it was so harshly trashed by troll vids and brigading on metacritic. You don't really have much argument from me. I enjoyed MEA. Could have done without the open world but I liked MEA for being different. I do think it would have gone over better if not perceived as an MET sequel. Even if, perhaps, it was "Andromeda: A Mass Effect Universe Game". Yeah, it's a little Disney Star Wars but it was just an off-the-cuff thought. In any case, it would make it clear that Shep isn't around. If you watched the trailers, there's no way you could believe this would be anything other than a lighthearted game. Disappointment was due to not accepting it. However, reworking DLC into a novel and outright ignoring major plots loses points in my head. No DLC, to me, suggests BW does not intend to move forward with Ryder.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 20, 2020 21:17:40 GMT
Maybe even after release and patches a lot of characters just looked bad, peebees face stripe didn't do her any favors. Just have played all four (end of A is nearing), and can say in OT the NPCs looked wayyy more bad, and even main cast wasnt as good except mainly Liara and Garrus maybe in animation and overall visual department. This is of course my opinion, but I think its quite clear. Combine this with lighting errors especially in 2 and 3, didnt look good today.Jarring things in A are the misaligned lookingpoint and some mouth and eye movements, but overall they have more going on. Funnily I also noticed ME1 has most smoothest animation playback of all four (on PC), it seems others are not played back on full resolution/speed or then its intentional (memory space was tight on PS3&X360). I didnt finish 2 or 3. That's too bad because 2 and 3 were excellent games. They used a different engine than MEA so you would obviously see differences. If that drove you from the story then you've opted to miss out on a great story. One of the biggest complaints from ME3 was the ending. If you play on PC you can mod the ending.
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