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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 27, 2019 18:06:52 GMT
Actually it does it better. Not according to reviews. Not according to sales projections, EA, budget, player/fanbase engagement. If it had, ME wouldn't have been put on ice. "But it was always the plan". No franchise gets put on ice for being successful and doing everything right. Not anymore. It gets milked for everything and the kitchen sink.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 27, 2019 18:09:15 GMT
Actually it does it better. Not according to reviews. Not according to sales projections, EA, budget, player/fanbase engagement. If it had, ME wouldn't have been put on ice. "But it was always the plan". No franchise gets put on ice for being successful and doing everything right. Not anymore. It gets milked for everything and the kitchen sink. Ea said it made sales so that's false. Also the reviews are imo wrong as it does what ME1 tried but way better. ME1 is the worst in the series.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 27, 2019 18:19:12 GMT
Ea said it made sales so that's false It sold, but failed projections, it's on EA's financial report, they expected 3 million sales in first quarter and 6-9 million lifetime sales. It didn't make those numbers. Also the reviews are imo wrong Well, time to close all those video game outlets. it does what ME1 tried but way better. ME1 is the worst in the series I'm not claiming that the ME OT is the best series of games ever, I'm not going to claim ME1 is the best game ever. But wow. That's quite the hot take. So, the game that started the franchise is the worst game in the franchise, worse than the one that put it "on ice". You do you.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 27, 2019 18:21:52 GMT
Ea said it made sales so that's false It sold, but failed projections, it's on EA's financial report, they expected 3 million sales in first quarter and 6-9 million lifetime sales. It didn't make those numbers. Also the reviews are imo wrong Well, time to close all those video game outlets. it does what ME1 tried but way better. ME1 is the worst in the series I'm not claiming that the ME OT is the best series of games ever, I'm not going to claim ME1 is the best game ever. But wow. That's quite the hot take. So, the game that started the franchise is the worst game in the franchise, worse than the one that put it "on ice". You do you. I'm not the only one that feels that way. ME1 had only one saving grace. The story. The rest sucks.Gameplay, UI, copy pasted environments etc..
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 27, 2019 18:51:29 GMT
Not according to reviews. Not according to sales projections, EA, budget, player/fanbase engagement. If it had, ME wouldn't have been put on ice. "But it was always the plan". No franchise gets put on ice for being successful and doing everything right. Not anymore. It gets milked for everything and the kitchen sink. Ea said it made sales so that's false. Also the reviews are imo wrong as it does what ME1 tried but way better. ME1 is the worst in the series. ME2 is the worst of the series in my opinion. ME1 is third.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 27, 2019 21:05:51 GMT
Ea said it made sales so that's false. Also the reviews are imo wrong as it does what ME1 tried but way better. ME1 is the worst in the series. ME2 is the worst of the series in my opinion. ME1 is third. For me it's the best with ME3 tied for best.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 21:36:59 GMT
Ea said it made sales so that's false. Also the reviews are imo wrong as it does what ME1 tried but way better. ME1 is the worst in the series. ME2 is the worst of the series in my opinion. ME1 is third. I see what you did there. For me, I actually still like htem all about equally, just for different reasons for each of them. If I had to put one on the bottom, it would probably be ME1.
I have absolutely nothing against a simple remaster of the OT (improving the graphics and sound quality). I think that is almost inevitable and I'd also like to see a digital release in the Xbox store, since someday my discs will probably wear out and, even though I have the games installed from disc I still need the disc to launch them. I also don't think it would be a bad thing if they boxed a graphically improved copy of Andromeda in with the set, as a free addition if they are inclined (Haters of the game could throw that part away or just not install it if they want).
I don't think a remake or anything that alters the original story of the OT is a good thing. I think that poses significant risks that make doing so not worth the additional costs involved.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 27, 2019 23:12:15 GMT
ME2 is the worst of the series in my opinion. ME1 is third. I see what you did there. For me, I actually still like htem all about equally, just for different reasons for each of them. If I had to put one on the bottom, it would probably be ME1.
I have absolutely nothing against a simple remaster of the OT (improving the graphics and sound quality). I think that is almost inevitable and I'd also like to see a digital release in the Xbox store, since someday my discs will probably wear out and, even though I have the games installed from disc I still need the disc to launch them. I also don't think it would be a bad thing if they boxed a graphically improved copy of Andromeda in with the set, as a free addition if they are inclined (Haters of the game could throw that part away or just not install it if they want).
I don't think a remake or anything that alters the original story of the OT is a good thing. I think that poses significant risks that make doing so not worth the additional costs involved.
Problem is a remaster wouldn't help ME1. It would need a redo similar to what they did with Resident Evil. The combat, UI and graphics need an overhaul. Non copy pasted environments would be a plus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 23:22:57 GMT
I see what you did there. For me, I actually still like htem all about equally, just for different reasons for each of them. If I had to put one on the bottom, it would probably be ME1.
I have absolutely nothing against a simple remaster of the OT (improving the graphics and sound quality). I think that is almost inevitable and I'd also like to see a digital release in the Xbox store, since someday my discs will probably wear out and, even though I have the games installed from disc I still need the disc to launch them. I also don't think it would be a bad thing if they boxed a graphically improved copy of Andromeda in with the set, as a free addition if they are inclined (Haters of the game could throw that part away or just not install it if they want).
I don't think a remake or anything that alters the original story of the OT is a good thing. I think that poses significant risks that make doing so not worth the additional costs involved.
Problem is a remaster wouldn't help ME1. It would need a redo similar to what they did with Resident Evil. The combat, UI and graphics need an overhaul. Non copy pasted environments would be a plus. I think a simple remaster would help ME1 as well... just not in the specific ways you want it helped perhaps. It would improve the graphics and sound quality on the newer systems and it would make it available for digital download through the Xbox Store, allowing console players like me to worry less about something like a disc breaking. I don't know if it is still the case, but I think it was mentioned here once that ME1 isn't available on the PS4. A remaster would address that as well. The combat, barren planets, and excessively re-used resources would remain nostalgically as they are... indicative of the era in which the game was first made. I'm OK with that. As for UI changes, some would probably have to be made alright... just to ensure the game's controls worked properly on newer systems.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 27, 2019 23:26:26 GMT
Problem is a remaster wouldn't help ME1. It would need a redo similar to what they did with Resident Evil. The combat, UI and graphics need an overhaul. Non copy pasted environments would be a plus. I think a simple remaster would help ME1 as well... just not in the specific ways you want it helped perhaps. It would improve the graphics and sound quality on the newer systems and it would make it available for digital download through the Xbox Store, allowing console players like me to worry less about something like a disc breaking. I don't know if it is still the case, but I think it was mentioned here once that ME1 isn't available on the PS4. A remaster would address that as well. The combat, barren planets, and excessively re-used resources would remain nostalgically as they are... indicative of the era in which the game was first made. I'm OK with that. That sucks that ME1 isn't playable on PS4. Wonder why if the others are. Yeah I would be too. I would be against a soft remake though where just the look and way it plays is changed like Resident Evil or even Halo. Keep the VA and story the same.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 27, 2019 23:34:52 GMT
A remaster would do well. I believe it would sell better than MEA. Having a remaster to play on the ps4 would be great. With the ps5, possibly released in late 2020, it will have backwards compatibility, at least that is what's being said, for the ps4, I could continue playing the trilogy on that console.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 12:44:11 GMT
I'm not the only one that feels that way What you feel is irrelevant as to what happened. Perhaps Mass Effect isn't the franchise for you, then. ME2 is the worst of the series in my opinion. ME1 is third. And maybe it isn't for you, either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 13:32:05 GMT
A remaster would do well. I believe it would sell better than MEA. Having a remaster to play on the ps4 would be great. With the ps5, possibly released in late 2020, it will have backwards compatibility, at least that is what's being said, for the ps4, I could continue playing the trilogy on that console. As I said, I have nothing against a simple remaster (again, not changing the story or setting a single ending as canon). It does have the effect of delaying the making of another new game in the franchise. I see that as a negative for the long-term continuation of the franchise regardless of which galaxy they decide to locate ME5 in. I disagree that it would sell better than a new game... but that's just my crystal ball vs. yours again.
Personally, I would have made the decision to do a digital remaster of the OT during the period Microsoft was dragging its heals about making ME2 and ME3 backwards compatible for the Xbox One since, I'm sure, a lot of Xbox users would have just downloaded the newer versions at that time rather than fiddle with using discs on the Xbox One.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 28, 2019 14:52:20 GMT
I'm not the only one that feels that way What you feel is irrelevant as to what happened. Perhaps Mass Effect isn't the franchise for you, then. ME2 is the worst of the series in my opinion. ME1 is third. And maybe it isn't for you, either. Oh? This I have to hear. Please, explain.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 28, 2019 14:54:45 GMT
I'm not the only one that feels that way What you feel is irrelevant as to what happened. Perhaps Mass Effect isn't the franchise for you, then. ME2 is the worst of the series in my opinion. ME1 is third. And maybe it isn't for you, either. Ok now you've gone too far. Because I think the first game is the weakest but still enjoy it the series isn't for me? It's my favorite game series so you are dead wrong.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 28, 2019 15:52:41 GMT
I disagree that it would sell better than a new game... New game? I said nothing about a new game. I said MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 16:06:51 GMT
I disagree that it would sell better than a new game... New game? I said nothing about a new game. I said MEA. Since I've also said many times that I don't believe ME:A would automatically sell worse than a new OT game (with or without Shepard), I'm sure you can connect the dots... regardless of what you specifically said this time around. I believe a new game (if it is a good one) will sell better than a remaster, regardless of whether or not it is a continuation of Andromeda. I also believe a mediocre game with Shepard presents more of a risk of permanently crippling all faith in the franchise than a mediocre game situated in Andromeda. The key to revitalizing the franchise long term is for them to release a great new game. A remaster can spark some interest in the short-term, but it isn't a long-term solution.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 16:14:06 GMT
Because I think the first game is the weakest You are arguing that ME1 is worse than Andromeda. Andromeda has a 74 metacritic score. So you would rate ME1 lower than that. And you, Hanako Ikezawa, label ME2, the highest rated game in the series, so far, even lower than ME1. So if the two best received games in the series are beneath that 74%, I don't think you like ME that much. It seems like to you, they are rather average games, at best, bargain bin price at worst. So maybe don't play those games, if you only have bad things to say about them?
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Post by themikefest on Aug 28, 2019 16:19:07 GMT
Since I've also said many times that I don't believe ME:A would automatically sell worse than a new OT game (with or without Shepard), I'm sure you can connect the dots... regardless of what you specifically said this time around. Word it how you want. You were wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 16:31:05 GMT
Since I've also said many times that I don't believe ME:A would automatically sell worse than a new OT game (with or without Shepard), I'm sure you can connect the dots... regardless of what you specifically said this time around. Word it how you want. You were wrong. ... you think you're so cagey. Now you're speaking about speculation over future sales of a remaster like it's in the past tense and without actually knowing the precise sales figures for ME:A. You've got nothing but guesswork any way you want to slice it. Believe what you like. I can still disagree because it's still a prediction regarding a future action, not a past event.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 28, 2019 16:36:31 GMT
Word it how you want. You were wrong. ... you think you're so cagey. Now you're speaking about speculation over future sales of a remaster like it's in the past tense and without actually knowing the precise sales figures for ME:A. You've got nothing but guesswork any way you want to slice it. Believe what you like. I can still disagree because it's still a prediction regarding a future action, not a past event. It is speculating on my part. Never said it was fact. Either way, what you posted is wrong.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 16:46:05 GMT
without actually knowing the precise sales figures for ME:A Andrew Wilson, in the financial call of the appropriate quarter had admitted that Andromeda had failed to meet their projections (3 million copies sold in its release quarter). So we may not know the exact numbers, but the number we do know, aren't that good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 16:56:04 GMT
without actually knowing the precise sales figures for ME:A Andrew Wilson, in the financial call of the appropriate quarter had admitted that Andromeda had failed to meet their projections (3 million copies sold in its release quarter). So we may not know the exact numbers, but the number we do know, aren't that good. Doesn't matter though... a remaster hasn't been done yet so, so far, it's sold nothing. The exercise still involves speculation regarding a future event. If, let's say, a remaster was done and Wilson said it met expectations, it still wouldn't say it sold more that ME:A since EA's expectations could be entirely different for the two types of releases. You've got nothing but your opinion... and I can disagree with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 17:09:51 GMT
... you think you're so cagey. Now you're speaking about speculation over future sales of a remaster like it's in the past tense and without actually knowing the precise sales figures for ME:A. You've got nothing but guesswork any way you want to slice it. Believe what you like. I can still disagree because it's still a prediction regarding a future action, not a past event. It is speculating on my part. Never said it was fact. Either way, what you posted is wrong. No, it isn't. I posted my opinion. You're the one who seems to think that I absolutely have to exactly address only what you said in a response to you. I said I was sure that you could connect the dots. At any rate, it's a pointless argument based on differing opinions over future events. You can think I'm wrong and, at the bottom line, I don't care. It's still just your opinion.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 17:16:28 GMT
Doesn't matter though... a remaster hasn't been done yet so, so far, it's sold nothing. The exercise still involves speculation regarding a future event. If, let's say, a remaster was done and Wilson said it met expectations, it still would say it sold more that ME:A since EA's expectations could be entirely different for the two types of releases. You've got nothing but your opinion... and I can disagree with it. I don't disagree with you here. It's true. Since it is not out, it's sold exactly 0 copies so far. Let me ask this, however. How relevant is Bioware today? I mean, beyond making youtube clickbait videos. I think that Andromeda's reception and, significantly more so, Anthem have damaged Bioware's image. By that grace alone, every Bioware game will suffer right now. And we are seeing this across many developers and publishers right now. Maybe the market that enjoyed a huge boom over the past decade is regressing, that is always a case. Or do you think this is just some blowback from the consumer base for unfriendly publisher/developer business practices? And what do you think can/should Bioware do to survive this situation?
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