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Post by 10k on May 3, 2019 11:44:53 GMT
It's sad when all the good conversation is centered around another game, and not the game the thread was made for lol. Hey, I'm busy telling all the players in my lobbies to stay away so we can keep your tinfoil hat theory alive. K
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Post by force58 on May 3, 2019 13:55:41 GMT
They are there. As I've played in gm 1 and 2, rarely is it a short handed party. Only seen it on freeplay and a legendary contract mission. I think I just need to get to level 30 and then be able to switch to GM 1. There's nobody, except maybe one, that shows up in any hard activity now.
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Post by force58 on May 3, 2019 14:03:36 GMT
This is hardly overblown. This is Bioware's worst game by a long shot. Can you glean some enjoyment out of it? Sure... for a few days. Anything beyond that would probably indicate that you are on the spectrum and find comfort in doing repetitive tasks ad nauseum. I was having a lot of fun with it until TD2 came out and then the enhanced versions of BL TPS and BL2 so I've been playing those for at least a month. Came back to Anthem as a level 22 and progressed to 24 until there was nobody in the multiplayer queue to play with, or at least there wasn't on my end. I do with they'd address the game. Now that the roadmap has been pushed back, and with so many people obviously leaving, I'm not sure will happen once they do address the loot and progression issues. The core mechanics of the game are really good for me. I enjoyed the run through the story and have enjoyed the strongholds I've played in hard difficulty. Right when I was ready to jump back in the bottom seems to have fallen out. Oh well.
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Post by force58 on May 3, 2019 14:09:48 GMT
As long as there are 3 players looking for a match concurrently you're good. Doesn't really take much players to be matched. It has been for me over this past week and was the reason I posted this. Weird as it could be my level. I've already decided to just grind it out in the story missions or freeplay until I reach level 30. I can't get anybody to MP into my games in hard mode for some reason.
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Post by Thrombin on May 3, 2019 14:26:12 GMT
As long as there are 3 players looking for a match concurrently you're good. Doesn't really take much players to be matched. It has been for me over this past week and was the reason I posted this. Weird as it could be my level. I've already decided to just grind it out in the story missions or freeplay until I reach level 30. I can't get anybody to MP into my games in hard mode for some reason.
You could try it on Normal. New players are more likely to be playing on normal and at least you'll have a group then that will boost your Xp and get you to level 30 more quickly.
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Post by linksocarina on May 3, 2019 15:07:21 GMT
They are there. As I've played in gm 1 and 2, rarely is it a short handed party. Only seen it on freeplay and a legendary contract mission. I think I just need to get to level 30 and then be able to switch to GM 1. There's nobody, except maybe one, that shows up in any hard activity now. You play on ps4?
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Post by goishen on May 3, 2019 15:25:59 GMT
Wow, looks like the two people that play on GM1+ have found each other.
That's so sweet.
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Post by smilesja on May 3, 2019 15:37:22 GMT
Whatever fuels your conspiracy theories I guess. Except the Montreal closure did stem from Andromeda's flop. Not much of a conspiracy theory when it's fact, be careful you are turning into Sofa. Except that Andromeda did turn in a profit and Montreal closed for different reasons. And I like SofaJockey, he stands up for himself despite massive backlash thrown at him.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 3, 2019 16:10:25 GMT
Not much of a conspiracy theory when it's fact, be careful you are turning into Sofa. Treating the Lead Producers moving back to Dragon Age (or Mass Effect) as anything other than normal planning seems total tin-foil hat thinking to me. Both Chad Robertson and Mike Gamble have been tweeting to confirm continued support for Anthem in the face of the nonsense clickbait that's been doing the rounds. I'm glad there are a few more people pursuing a rational line around here.
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Post by cypherj on May 3, 2019 16:19:34 GMT
Except the Montreal closure did stem from Andromeda's flop. Not much of a conspiracy theory when it's fact, be careful you are turning into Sofa. Except that Andromeda did turn in a profit and Montreal closed for different reasons. And I like SofaJockey , he stands up for himself despite massive backlash thrown at him.
There's a huge difference between profits and profit margins. If you're expecting your profit margin to be 50 million and it's only 25 million. Yeah the project turned a profit, but it was 50% off of margin. So changes are going to be made, and not good ones.
Same as when people say EA earned 'X' amount of profits, how can they lay people off. It's because they were probably below Margin and had to make changes to make earnings.
So yeah, Andromeda could have turned a profit, but if they were expecting to sell 6-10 million copies like the said, and they only sold four, four and a half. Then changes are going to be made, and not good ones.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 3, 2019 16:53:33 GMT
There's a huge difference between profits and profit margins. As there's an EA Earning's Call on Tuesday, perhaps that will confirm or deny some prevailing theories.
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Post by aglomeracja on May 3, 2019 17:07:21 GMT
Except the Montreal closure did stem from Andromeda's flop. Not much of a conspiracy theory when it's fact, be careful you are turning into Sofa. Except that Andromeda did turn in a profit and Montreal closed for different reasons. And I like SofaJockey , he stands up for himself despite massive backlash thrown at him. Montreal studio was closed and no DLC's were produced because Andromeda was a failure. That much is clear.
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Post by cypherj on May 3, 2019 17:17:51 GMT
There's a huge difference between profits and profit margins. As there's an EA Earning's Call on Tuesday, perhaps that will confirm or deny some prevailing theories.
Well, I doubt they'll be talking about Andromeda, so I'm not sure what this has to do with my post.
As far as Anthem. I'm sure we'll get the normal reception was mixed, polarizing marketing speak. Player engagement is whatever. I don't know what people are expecting to hear at these things. They're not going to come out and say Anthem sold 'x' amount of copies, or its microtransactions revenue was 'x'.
The only way you'll get exact details is if they miss earning, and they have to explain why, like last quarter. Other than that it will be general marketing speak. Stuff like, this game helped drive revenue. Well, every game helped drive revenue if it sold any copies.
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Post by samhain444 on May 3, 2019 18:08:35 GMT
As there's an EA Earning's Call on Tuesday, perhaps that will confirm or deny some prevailing theories.
Well, I doubt they'll be talking about Andromeda, so I'm not sure what this has to do with my post.
As far as Anthem. I'm sure we'll get the normal reception was mixed, polarizing marketing speak. Player engagement is whatever. I don't know what people are expecting to hear at these things. They're not going to come out and say Anthem sold 'x' amount of copies, or its microtransactions revenue was 'x'.
The only way you'll get exact details is if they miss earning, and they have to explain why, like last quarter. Other than that it will be general marketing speak. Stuff like, this game helped drive revenue. Well, every game helped drive revenue if it sold any copies.
Was anything of significance launched by EA apart from Apex Legends and Anthem? Obviously, you have the Live Service elements of games like FIFA and Maddon that they will report but you'd imagine those two games would get the focus of investors follow up questions if not EA's own focus.
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Post by masterwarderz on May 3, 2019 18:56:09 GMT
Not much of a conspiracy theory when it's fact, be careful you are turning into Sofa. seems total tin-foil hat thinking to me. Great? It isn't the case, pretend to yourself that the studio closing out had nothing to do with the backlash against Andromeda seems delusion to me.
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Post by masterwarderz on May 3, 2019 18:56:55 GMT
Except that Andromeda did turn in a profit and Montreal closed for different reasons. And I like SofaJockey , he stands up for himself despite massive backlash thrown at him. Montreal studio was closed and no DLC's were produced because Andromeda was a failure. That much is clear. Doesn't match the narrative though
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Post by masterwarderz on May 3, 2019 18:58:19 GMT
Except the Montreal closure did stem from Andromeda's flop. Not much of a conspiracy theory when it's fact, be careful you are turning into Sofa. Except that Andromeda did turn in a profit and Montreal closed for different reasons. And I like SofaJockey , he stands up for himself despite massive backlash thrown at him. I am sure that that studio existed prior to the launch of their product and ceased to existence in its less then stellar reception had little to do with each other and self inflicted trauma means little to me, hardly seems worthy of praise.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 3, 2019 19:02:05 GMT
Great? It isn't the case, pretend to yourself that the studio closing out had nothing to do with the backlash against Andromeda seems delusion to me. My misunderstanding then of the unclear reference, I was referring to moving Lead Producers off Anthem as giving up on Anthem as being a sign of tin-foil hat thinking, I believe BioWare Montreal was shelved simply because there wasn't the install base on Andromeda following its rough launch to justify them continuing.
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Post by smilesja on May 3, 2019 20:22:20 GMT
Great? It isn't the case, pretend to yourself that the studio closing out had nothing to do with the backlash against Andromeda seems delusion to me. My misunderstanding then of the unclear reference, I was referring to moving Lead Producers off Anthem as giving up on Anthem as being a sign of tin-foil hat thinking, I believe BioWare Montreal was shelved simply because there wasn't the install base on Andromeda following its rough launch to justify them continuing. Yet I’m kinda doubtful that it was shelved purely because of the reception to Andromeda.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 3, 2019 20:41:43 GMT
Then how about Montreal was shut down because of Andromeda's bad reception AND horrible mismanagement within the studio?
EA saw that Montreal's first full game flopped hard with critics and most fans alike and all the memes happened because, like Edmonton, they wasted years on aimless ideas and the game had to be cobbled together quickly to meet a deadline. Now EA knows that this is actually a general Bioware problem gotten out of hand with Frostbite. So let's see what EA decides to do about that if DA4's isn't going smoothly...
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Post by OdanUrr on May 3, 2019 20:53:08 GMT
My misunderstanding then of the unclear reference, I was referring to moving Lead Producers off Anthem as giving up on Anthem as being a sign of tin-foil hat thinking, I believe BioWare Montreal was shelved simply because there wasn't the install base on Andromeda following its rough launch to justify them continuing. Yet I’m kinda doubtful that it was shelved purely because of the reception to Andromeda. Possibly. Perhaps Andromeda's numbers merely sealed their fate. Then again, if EA had already decided to shut down the studio due to mismanagement or incompetence, such a precedent would not bode well for Edmonton.
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Post by cypherj on May 3, 2019 21:05:10 GMT
Well, I doubt they'll be talking about Andromeda, so I'm not sure what this has to do with my post.
As far as Anthem. I'm sure we'll get the normal reception was mixed, polarizing marketing speak. Player engagement is whatever. I don't know what people are expecting to hear at these things. They're not going to come out and say Anthem sold 'x' amount of copies, or its microtransactions revenue was 'x'.
The only way you'll get exact details is if they miss earning, and they have to explain why, like last quarter. Other than that it will be general marketing speak. Stuff like, this game helped drive revenue. Well, every game helped drive revenue if it sold any copies.
Was anything of significance launched by EA apart from Apex Legends and Anthem? Obviously, you have the Live Service elements of games like FIFA and Maddon that they will report but you'd imagine those two games would get the focus of investors follow up questions if not EA's own focus. I'm sure it will be mentioned, but what exactly do you expect them to say? They're not going to come out and say our goal was to sell 5-6 million by the end of March, and we met that goal by selling 5.6 million, or we missed that goal and only sold 4.2 million. It's going to be some vague, or general statement that really says nothing. It's like the quarter call after Andromeda came out, when they said Andromeda helped drive game revenue, and online service revenue, and every body was saying see, Andromeda isn't doing bad, Andromeda helped drive revenue. EA said it, they can't lie to investors. Revenue is nothing but money made from sales. If a game is the only major release in a quarter, of course it's going to account for a good percentage of the revenue. But that has nothing so do with if the game met its expectations, how well it continued to sell after launch, whether or not you incurred extra expenses for the time that went into fixing the game. What affect that had on the margins on the project. They won't discuss any of these types of details. That's just an example of kind of vague things they say on these calls. Most people don't know what it means. They hear revenue, profits, and if the company made earnings they really don't care about the details.
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Post by Sartoz on May 3, 2019 21:08:43 GMT
Yet I’m kinda doubtful that it was shelved purely because of the reception to Andromeda. Possibly. Perhaps Andromeda's numbers merely sealed their fate. Then again, if EA had already decided to shut down the studio due to mismanagement or incompetence, such a precedent would not bode well for Edmonton.
Well, if so, then Anthem is in the crapper.
Metacritic gave it a 60, the VIP Early Access was a disaster, the "official launch" was a disaster, the Roadmap disappeared. the loot and progression system remains a mess and every time the studio patches the game the patch breaks something else and finally the player base has diminished.
The last bit is disturbing in the sense that new players may find themselves forced to play solo.
Welcome to Bio game development management.
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Post by Sartoz on May 3, 2019 21:17:27 GMT
Was anything of significance launched by EA apart from Apex Legends and Anthem? Obviously, you have the Live Service elements of games like FIFA and Maddon that they will report but you'd imagine those two games would get the focus of investors follow up questions if not EA's own focus. ---- Snip ---- Revenue is nothing but money made from sales. ---- Snip ----
EA wants to continue to monetise the game even after it is sold. This is where micro transactions come into play. If you look at their Financial Quarter Statements, there is always a line indicating a Continuing Game Revenue Stream of amount X.
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Post by cypherj on May 3, 2019 21:23:00 GMT
---- Snip ---- Revenue is nothing but money made from sales. ---- Snip ----
EA wants to continue to monetise the game even after it is sold. This is where micro transactions come into play. If you look at their Financial Quarter Statements, there is always a line indicating a Continuing Game Revenue Stream of amount X.
Yeah, I know, but revenue alone says nothing about how well something doing from a company perspective, because it doesn't take into account anything but the gross sales. That's all I'm saying.
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