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Post by bzombo on Jul 18, 2019 15:18:30 GMT
What a moron. How about parents control what their kids do online and not people who have no clue? Wishful thinking. Just like it is wishful thinking to apply enough market pressure on the companies to get rid of the microtransactions and loot boxes, because some people appearantly think they are a-okay for whatever reason? As you may well know, or may not know, people can not be watching another person 24/7 unless they are literally camped next to that person with enough supplies to do so... wishful thinking. I would love for parents to control their kids, but be it video games or outside of video games, we can quite clearly see that parents are not able to watch their children at all times. That is just pure and simple fact. And since people are so readily open to have these big corps not only exploit children, but also lessen the quality of a game in general all for the sake of "CAPITALISM! MARKET FREEDOM!" market pressure just won't happen. What I am saying is that people are stupid. If people refuse to help the companies regulate themselves and if the companies refuse to regulate themselves, then the government is forced to regulate the market, and if that concept is too hard to understand then people are way beyond help. The game publishers and game developers as well as their followers forced the hand of the politicians, plain and simple. Yes, the politicians clearly have no clue of what they speak of... but then you as a consumer better help make something right. Market pressure can work if enough people get into it... watch Star Wars: Battlefront 2. We need to lessen the amount of games that have microtransactions in them, not encourage that more games get microtransactions in them. It gets easier and easier to exploit children because the game industry have normalised the microtransactions. People love them some government a little too much. Video games are not a need. They're a luxury. You don't like how things work in a luxury market, tough. Don't participate. Government should not be a weapon to use against those who do things you don't like.
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Post by cankiie on Jul 18, 2019 18:08:57 GMT
People love them some government a little too much. Video games are not a need. They're a luxury. You don't like how things work in a luxury market, tough. Don't participate. Government should not be a weapon to use against those who do things you don't like. Never had much trouble with the government in Denmark. That said. It was the game corps themselves who forced the government to step in, afterall, what the game corps making are gambling games, gambling which is supposed to be restricted to casinos that are further restricted to just 18+. They have gone years under the radar, but they pushed it too far themselves... as said, maybe, just maybe, they should have tried to regulate themselves. Of course, the government also noticed due to the complaints of a huge chunk of people who play video games, but it all again falls upon the game corps themselves. They... should... have... regulated themselves to begin with. Now I am voting for the government to do it. Hell if I care about games like fortnite, or Team Fortress, or Anthem, or whatever game relies on the obviously predatory mechanics of lootboxes and microtransactions, dies as a result of government regulations. I already do not play such games, so eh. If the triple AAA industry also dies I also would not care. As you said, video games is a luxury, I don't need them to live. I am also quite fine with indie games from smaller companies that seem to respect video games as a product, rather than as a service. So again... let the government do the regulations... I could not care less. The industry brought it upon itself.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 31, 2019 13:40:38 GMT
Hawley is at it again. I was not aware that Facebook Scrolls and Utube were addictive. I do find auto play of videos very annoying, though.
1. Hawley introduced legislation addressing unlimited scrolling 2. Measure would require companies to set 30-minute limits
One thing I like about the senator is that he is tackling Big Tech companies' overreach. About time, I say.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 31, 2019 15:07:39 GMT
People love them some government a little too much. Video games are not a need. They're a luxury. You don't like how things work in a luxury market, tough. Don't participate. Government should not be a weapon to use against those who do things you don't like. Never had much trouble with the government in Denmark. That said. It was the game corps themselves who forced the government to step in, afterall, what the game corps making are gambling games, gambling which is supposed to be restricted to casinos that are further restricted to just 18+. They have gone years under the radar, but they pushed it too far themselves... as said, maybe, just maybe, they should have tried to regulate themselves. Of course, the government also noticed due to the complaints of a huge chunk of people who play video games, but it all again falls upon the game corps themselves. They... should... have... regulated themselves to begin with. Now I am voting for the government to do it. Hell if I care about games like fortnite, or Team Fortress, or Anthem, or whatever game relies on the obviously predatory mechanics of lootboxes and microtransactions, dies as a result of government regulations. I already do not play such games, so eh. If the triple AAA industry also dies I also would not care. As you said, video games is a luxury, I don't need them to live. I am also quite fine with indie games from smaller companies that seem to respect video games as a product, rather than as a service. So again... let the government do the regulations... I could not care less. The industry brought it upon itself. They need to sell more. It doesn't look good on the earnings report when they earn less. But when the market stagnates, or they lose market share because of shitty, exploitative games they devise even more exploitative shit to get their figures. Eventually the bubble pops. But not before several franchises are ruined by greed.
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Post by cankiie on Jul 31, 2019 20:35:49 GMT
They need to sell more. It doesn't look good on the earnings report when they earn less. But when the market stagnates, or they lose market share because of shitty, exploitative games they devise even more exploitative shit to get their figures. Eventually the bubble pops. But not before several franchises are ruined by greed. Indeed, it is such a shame. The bubble was bound to burst regardless, to be fair, microtransactions sadly just sped up the whole process. It is short term thinking whereas someone like CDPR is doing long-term thinking. We already see now that the earnings with the top corps fully utilising microtransactions and what now, are already beginning to drop, stocks decrease and so will their investors eventually and they are left with nothing. All of that money, not to give better pay or better working conditions for the developers, but to fill the pockets of the top-seats in the corporations, people who in reality do not need any more money. It is also quite clear from the quality of games released by these larger corporations, that they are cutting spendings everywhere, it is all just bullshit. Sadly, at this point the bubble needs to burst, franchises have to be ruined and killed, this is what we as consumers could avoid by actually practising a little restraint. It is a shame, really. Worst thing is that we were warned about this years ago, it has gotten louder now because more and more people are starting to come to that realization, but there still are too many people supporting all the bullshit. When corporations are this fixed at making a quick buck, it is up to the consumers to change it. It might very well be a good time for the big corporations to be humbled abit too. It probably won't be long until all of them start digging into streaming services, we have slowly moved that way with individual launchers, Origin, Steam, GoG, Bethesda's Launcher, Battle.net. Soon people will have to pay the companies a monthly fee to play games on these specific services, that is games as a service. Paranoia? Maybe... I prefer calling it a prediction. People were also "paranoid" about the effects of microtransactions back 10-15 years ago, and see where we are now. It is a shame indeed.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 1, 2019 9:34:31 GMT
They need to sell more. It doesn't look good on the earnings report when they earn less. But when the market stagnates, or they lose market share because of shitty, exploitative games they devise even more exploitative shit to get their figures. Eventually the bubble pops. But not before several franchises are ruined by greed. Big Snip It probably won't be long until all of them start digging into streaming services, we have slowly moved that way with individual launchers, Origin, Steam, GoG, Bethesda's Launcher, Battle.net. Soon people will have to pay the companies a monthly fee to play games on these specific services, that is games as a service. Paranoia? Maybe... I prefer calling it a prediction. People were also "paranoid" about the effects of microtransactions back 10-15 years ago, and see where we are now. It is a shame indeed.
Then have a look at Monetization - Let's Go Whaling from Torulf Jernström CEO of Tribeflame. He explains all the tricks of behaviourally psychology that game companies use to suck your money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 13:56:17 GMT
Thank the Maker. Someone has common sense.
I've expressed my concern on multiple occasions regarding this topic. Great many of these loot boxes are essentially gambling. There are many forms and variations of sucking the money out, but it boils down to the same idea.
For example, you want to buy a rare mount in game. This rare mount is not sold openly. It's sold in a loot box where it only has miserly 1% chance to be, otherwise, you will most likely get some kind of garbage in that box. All these boxes have probability of dropping good items, but mostly they're stacked with worthless crap. People are wasting real money on these boxes in hopes of getting some rare item. I do equate it to something akin to casino. There are strict laws keeping the kids out of casinos.
This bring me to another point. I hope this will be seriously cracked down on in terms of the age restriction and apply pretty much to all games, not just those labelled 18+. Any game can get around that rule by slapping 18+ label on their game and deem it good enough. Well, it's NOT. Casino can put someone at the door to check ids. Games do not have such a system. Almost all games on the market are labelled 17+ yet in all of those I've played there were kids as young as the age of 11. The games can't control, and don't want to control hence they benefit, who downloads and plays just because it's good enough to lie easily when making an account or have someone else make on your behalf.
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Post by cankiie on Aug 1, 2019 22:57:45 GMT
Thank the Maker. Someone has common sense. I've expressed my concern on multiple occasions regarding this topic. Great many of these loot boxes are essentially gambling. There are many forms and variations of sucking the money out, but it boils down to the same idea. For example, you want to buy a rare mount in game. This rare mount is not sold openly. It's sold in a loot box where it only has miserly 1% chance to be, otherwise, you will most likely get some kind of garbage in that box. All these boxes have probability of dropping good items, but mostly they're stacked with worthless crap. People are wasting real money on these boxes in hopes of getting some rare item. I do equate it to something akin to casino. There are strict laws keeping the kids out of casinos. This bring me to another point. I hope this will be seriously cracked down on in terms of the age restriction and apply pretty much to all games, not just those labelled 18+. Any game can get around that rule by slapping 18+ label on their game and deem it good enough. Well, it's NOT. Casino can put someone at the door to check ids. Games do not have such a system. Almost all games on the market are labelled 17+ yet in all of those I've played there were kids as young as the age of 11. The games can't control, and don't want to control hence they benefit, who downloads and plays just because it's good enough to lie easily when making an account or have someone else make on your behalf. Yup. I never started thinking of microtransactions and lootboxes as being horrible because: "Think about the children!" in the beginning it was just because I saw how detrimental they are to games, games being made worse in order to sell microtransactions and lootboxes. Eventually I did indeed find out that there is psycological manipulation involved, and that it is preying on specific types of people who may very well be in the 'danger-zone' so to speak. There is absolutely nothing to help these people. An individual with gambling problems can look at a casino and say: "Well, it won't be good for me to go in there" but they can't make the same decision when looking at a video game, even if it has 18+ slapped on it. For all we know that could just mean it have nudity or lots of gore in it. And indeed, then we have the children who are so easily manipulated. Personally I don't care much about children ending up with some mild nudity on the screen (Flat-out porn I am not okay with, mind you) or a little bit of violence, that is already in TV. But I dread to think that once I have my own kids, I have to be a helicopter parent who have to watch their activity in video games every second, needing to make sure they do not get involved with gambling mechanics in video games, at home or at a friend's place. Expecting parents to stand and watch over their kids 24/7 is absolutely insane. Hopefully we'll see something change soon enough, it'll also be much better for the industry and it's consumers when it have to compete by creating actually great games again. Then have a look at Monetization - Let's Go Whaling from Torulf Jernström CEO of Tribeflame. He explains all the tricks of behaviourally psychology that game companies use to suck your money. Oh yeah, I have seen that. It is ridicolous. We should somehow redefine gambling laws in many other countries to instead refer to behavioural psycology, rather than a practice of just spending and being given a chance to win money. The law is waaay too behind right now.
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