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Post by themikefest on Oct 14, 2019 20:32:01 GMT
You really don't want to bring up ME2 and 3 there. What's stopping you? Really? What was the helmet she/he was wearing at the beginning of ME1 on Eden Prime? How about the helemt he/she wore at the beginning of ME2? What about the helmet he/she wore when on Mars?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Oct 14, 2019 22:25:22 GMT
This is just a thread for me to jot down some of my own ideas about Mass Effect, how it can be rebooted and how to continue it from there. What changes are needed and what worked out. It may be a bit in disarray since it will be done organically, as ideas come to me. Also feel free to push forward your own ideas on what you would change for a Mass Effect reboot- I'll keep the OP updated. For now let's start with a few key changes. Removal of Bikini battle costumes:It was one of the most cringiest and saddest changes for me trough Mass Effects development. The First Mass Effect felt like an actual combat formation. Armor seemed protective and functional, be it light, medium or heavy. Many people objected that there were not enough differences between various pieces, that it simply consisted of various protection values and some color changes. Which is somewhat valid of a critique. However one that is easily rectified simply trough more varied armor design. And even in the lack of variety there was change. Tali's suit changed from purple to blue, to yellow, to red, and various other colors. Colosus looked imposing on every character. People wore helmets when in space or non-atmospheric environment. It added both a sense of immersive realism as well as professionalism. Then came Mass Effect 2. Various characters went into vacuum environment wearing nothing more than a mask covering their nose and mouth, leaving eyes, ears and skin exposed to space. In real universe skin would start to raise in boils as water within and in the tissue underneath starts to evaporate. The water in the eyes would start boiling away. Due to having a supply of oxygen the typical death by asphyxiation would not occur, however the exposed areas of skin would suffer an extreme loss of temperature, leading to hypothermia and death by freezing. The process of pressure equalization without a suit would rapture ear-drums and cause pressure sickness. And unfiltered radiation would cause cancers and sickness in those exposed to it. The trend of bikini armor continued in Mass Effect 3 for various characters. The secondary problem of said armor changes is inherent sexism. Everyone knows why the change was made so I won't spend time discussing it further. And last problem is the feeling of progression is absent. When you started Mass Effect 1 you felt the progress for both yourself and the team-mates as they got better and better armor. That feeling is completely absent and is purely cosmetic and limited to 1-2 changes of clothes, some of which are cringe as hell Removal of thermal clips in their current form:Mass Effect will never be Call of Duty. It will never be Battlefield. Nor any other FPS. The thermal clips as they are were made explicitly to move Mass Effect more in the shooter genre, over-riding the lore established in the first game. Somehow, changing from being able to reliably fire tens of thousands of shot to 80 from an assault rifle was considered progress in the game lore as well. Even Conrad Verner points out the ridiculousness of it. That is not to say we need to remove them completely. The removal of the old system also removed numerous skills from engineers and ways to counter the enemy. Overheating their weapons as an engineer was no longer possible. Instead I would change the overheat system to be more punishing if it happens, but give the player a limited, non replenishing number of thermal clips as a get out of jail free card when in difficult situation. Something to ration and use wisely. The thermal clips may not make sense because obviously having unlimited ammo is vastly superior. However I understand them wanting to make the mechanics and gameplay seem more "normal" so to speak. It could have been easily explained if they had said that due to new advancments in shields that you needed more power to your guns and the thermal clips accomplished this. However it is a relatively small thing lore wise and given how much better the combat in ME2 was I am willing to overlook it. However the pump action shotgun was unneccesary since by the animation every shot ejects a heat sink.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 14, 2019 23:31:00 GMT
You really don't want to bring up ME2 and 3 there. What's stopping you? Really? What was the helmet she/he was wearing at the beginning of ME1 on Eden Prime? How about the helemt he/she wore at the beginning of ME2? What about the helmet he/she wore when on Mars? Huh? I was talking about ME2 and ME3, obviously; don't know why you brought up ME1. The first combat sequences in each, to be specific -- I was ignoring the opening of ME2 because Shepard can't be given any other kind of helmet there -- chargen hasn't happened yet.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 15, 2019 0:16:35 GMT
Is there a point you're trying to make?
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 22, 2019 23:25:19 GMT
How many of those, that you consider to be bad, was Shepard forced to wear at the beginning of ME1/2/3? You really don't want to bring up ME2 and 3 there. Shepard doesn't even have a helmet until late in the games. I'm also not clear why it's worse because it's the default. I'm not the sort of player who gimps his PC for cosmetics. Are you? Huh? He/she has a helmet right away.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 23, 2019 1:44:19 GMT
You really don't want to bring up ME2 and 3 there. Shepard doesn't even have a helmet until late in the games. I'm also not clear why it's worse because it's the default. I'm not the sort of player who gimps his PC for cosmetics. Are you? Huh? He/she has a helmet right away. In ME2? Shepard has one before chargen, and then loses it until off of Lazarus Station. In ME3? No helmet until after reaching Mars
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 23, 2019 2:58:15 GMT
Huh? He/she has a helmet right away. In ME2? Shepard has one before chargen, and then loses it until off of Lazarus Station. In ME3? No helmet until after reaching Mars In ME2 I'd just say Shep doesn't get the helmet till getting to the station. You can choose the helmet in the locker I believe. Me3 well Shep doesn't even have armor till the Normandy. So yeah I guess you're right except I wouldn't call that late in the game.
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Post by helios969 on Oct 23, 2019 9:13:22 GMT
What does modern programming do? I'm talking about Jack as a personality. She doesn't strike me as the person to plan ahead, thinking "what if I go into space?" so that she won't fuck her suit of armor up. Or that maybe she'll walk into an environment with gaseous hazards that the helmet would benefit her greatly, etc. Granted, Jack is the only person that I can see would have a problem with restrictive armours like that or a general "fuck you" kind of attitude towards it, all because it's just not her style. I think we can all kinda tell she doesn't like covering herself up much. Probably would put on one, for necessity, but would also look forward to the moment she got to throw it all off her. She might keep that suit of armour as a memento, though. Drawing decals and customizing it, to make it more appealing to her, in case she ever has to wear it again. If she's romanced, she might even put an N7 stamp on its ass. I know plenty of fuck you I do what I want type of people and I've seen none of them jump into acid or fire because fuck you. Programming would allow multiple outfits with custom decals and writings on it based on missions she goes on Actually, I see Jack saying fuck you I'm not wearing that and then refuse to go on missions in hazardous environments. Maybe later she shows up in some wicked "metal" looking armor that she acquired "somehow."
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 23, 2019 14:59:45 GMT
In ME2? Shepard has one before chargen, and then loses it until off of Lazarus Station. In ME3? No helmet until after reaching Mars In ME2 I'd just say Shep doesn't get the helmet till getting to the station. You can choose the helmet in the locker I believe. Me3 well Shep doesn't even have armor till the Normandy. So yeah I guess you're right except I wouldn't call that late in the game. Sure. I'm just pointing out that complaining about the default ME:A helmet. not offering a full protection look is dopey. None of the games have wholly-protective starting helmets. ME1's actually the worst offender, since most helmets leave a lot of Shepard's face exposed. At least in the other games you always have the option of the N7 Breather or similar.
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Post by cipher on Oct 30, 2019 22:25:17 GMT
Shift focus away from Humanity:Saving Council, letting them die, Human Council - none make a difference: Like I said in another thread, it would have actually been cooler if the humans were chosen for "ascension" due to how pathetic the Reapers actually found them, and based their criteria along these parameters. Humans are presented as unique in Mass Effect due to how diverse they are to one another, but that implies we have more differences than similarities. Assuming we ever reach the stage of space travel, humanity should actually be in the opposite direction. The whole genetic variation in Mordin's mission was also bs, sorry Mordin but that just isn't true even when accounting for geniuses and idiots. Environment and culture play a big part in it as well. The Alliance Council was supposedly no different, which is ridiculous I agree, especially with Anderson heading it if you chose him. Even more BS because that choice doesn't matter as well come ME 3. As things stand, choosing Udina and saving the council almost makes the trilogy flow better. I don't think a strictly human council is even realistic though, because while humanity may have more power, it's not as if Sovereign completely wiped out the Turian/Asari/Salarian fleets, either. Maybe they get enough sway to reverse the dreadnought ruling for themselves, and even use the Reapers as a convenient excuse for massive military buildup. Humanity may become a "leader among equals" in such a scenario, and that's all it should realistically have been. A strictly human council could have been a possibility (or prefer-ability) after the Reaper invasion, and here would have made the most sense. I mostly agree with your post, however the Bikini suits aren't changing in a reboot; if anything the variability of ME 1 would be removed to be streamlined with 2 & 3. People were not fans of the bloated inventory. Combat would be streamlined as well, but I do wish for a return to unlimited ME weapons and overheating mechanics. Make ME unique compared to other "shooters" and that isn't even its primary focus anyways.
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