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Post by Phantom on Jun 24, 2019 22:06:51 GMT
This is just me, I would love to have the Asari or at least elements within Asari society that sees Humans as a threat to their position as a galactic superpower and the New Player Character will face one of these Asari extremists plots to destabilize System Alliance.
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I think there is ample foreshadowing in the narrative to deal with "colonialism" on a deeper level in the next game. As small as the AI was, they have sown the seeds of a more indepth look at colonial expansion on at least two planets and possibly all 4 of the Angaran worlds. The subtle ways it occurs - friends first and then dominate later. The Kett represent the overthrow, enslave and even assimilate aspects of "colonialism" - which is defined as " the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically." True, the Roekaar are portrayed as fanatics and, in the end, as discredited fanatics... but that doesn't mean that events couldn't occur in the next game that would cause large numbers of Angara to pick up their flag again. That pattern has repeated itself many times over in IRL history.
So, I would say ME:A is in the process of exploring it already from two distinctly different angles.
The other aspect you mention - well, the AI's survival is still at risk. Improved from the start of the game, but still a tenuous foothold at best and they haven't yet starting "making babies." There are hints that increasing the numbers of the alien individuals may not be something that goes over that well (ref: the Angaran grandmother who was so concerned about "how many of you will there be" a generation from now. The friendly relationship between the AI and the Angaran can certainly change in a heartbeat... and I can certainly see where the decision to install a puppet ruler on Kadara or have her continued to be dominated by Sloane might be a relevant decision by the player going forward, as well as who has control over the water on Elaaden... combined with how much the player "gave" to the Krogan and Morda. I think there's a possibility of a more meaningful setup here than a "glancing" one... but, of course, only time would have told whether or not Bioware, this time around, would actually follow up with anything meaningful... and we may never know unless they do a direct sequel to ME:A. There's not gonna be much colonialsim as long as the AI can't defend their colonies with anything bigger than hand-held firearms. They clearly showed us that Meridian (when reunited with Khi T'siri) has significantly larger defenses than hand-held firearms. Not only does it have a significant amount of surface to air cannon, it also houses an entire remnant fleet of dreadnoughts... not to mention that it effectively controls the entire vault network (and through it can dramatically alter the very living environments of any or all of the planets connected to it with vaults)... and may I remind who established themselves as being in control of Meridian and Khi Tasira?
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Post by themikefest on Jun 24, 2019 23:13:16 GMT
Look how well those remnant dreadnoughts did against the kett. Take away the scrouge, those dreadnoughts and what Ryder had would have been wiped out.
The kett have the advantage. If they choose to attack the Nexus and/or an outpost in force, the Initiatve won't be able to stop them. They couldn't do anything when th kett took the Hyperion.
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Look how well those remnant dreadnoughts did against the kett. Take away the scrouge, those dreadnoughts and what Ryder had would have been wiped out. The kett have the advantage. If they choose to attack the Nexus and/or an outpost in force, the Initiatve won't be able to stop them. They couldn't do anything when th kett took the Hyperion. They didn't have to rely on mere gunfire because they had the scourge... an even greater weapon still that the Initiative has some control over now thanks to the Remnant dreadnoughts being capable of dragging it around behind them.
When the Kett attacked the Nexus, the Nexus did not, as yet, have access to Khi Tasira's defences, but that changed at the very end of the game... so, going forward, you can't say that the Nexus wouldn't be able to stop an attack that takes place in a second game... perhaps a decade later (after they've also had some time to build weapons. The premise is that the Nexus is still not finished... weapons could be the next thing scheduled to be added.
Finally, the Citadel itself did not have any ground to air defenses. (ETA: Actually, I'm going to correct myself here - There are 3 turrets that Shepard can hack into service during the run up to the Citadel Tower. Those turrets are hard pressed to take down 1 geth fighter, though... and Shepard faces an even larger number of hostile turrets (clearly different than the ones Shepard hacks) that the geth have inexplicably been able to set up and program in the short time it takes them to get to that point in the tower run. Even so, we see no turrets firing at Sovereign or at any of the geth fleet nor do we walk by any turrets anywhere on the Citadel in any previous trip to it.) It was totally reliant on whatever ships were docked there. At least Khi Tasira had ground to air cannon and each outpost had turrets. During the Citadel coup, we see C-Sec fighting off Cerberus troops with hand-held weapons and no sign of turrets or other backup from installed Citadel defenses. Even halfway into ME3 (after said coup), it's up to Shepard to encourage the development of a Citadel Defense Force out of the civilians living there.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 25, 2019 11:27:58 GMT
Word how you want, it doesn't change anything. The kett have the advantage. Until the Initiative prove they can defend themselves, they are in trouble if/when the kett decide to attack.
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Word how you want, it doesn't change anything. The kett have the advantage. Until the Initiative prove they can defend themselves, they are in trouble if/when the kett decide to attack. Just like the Citadel couldn't even beef up its defenses after being clearly involved in a war for more than two years. Just like the colony on Horizon was basically defenseless even after the Alliance gave the "a big gun that couldn't shoot straight." And we certainly didn't see any other ground to air defenses during that run. The cutscene shows Ashley/Kaidan being the only individual in possession of even a firearm to shoot at the bugs. It's not like the citizens there even wanted the defenses because they left for the Terminus to get away from all that (the Alliance).
It's no different in either game... one is not worse than the other. The fans just decided to make an issue of it with Andromeda because, heaven forbid, the Nomad didn't have a gun they could pew pew enemies with from a distance.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 25, 2019 12:22:42 GMT
Word how you want, it doesn't change anything. The kett have the advantage. Until the Initiative prove they can defend themselves, they are in trouble if/when the kett decide to attack. Just like the Citadel couldn't even beef up its defenses after being clearly involved in a war for more than two years.
It's no different in either game... one is not worse than the other. The fans just decided to make an issue of it with Andromeda because, heaven forbid, the Nomad didn't have a gun they could pew pew enemies with from a distance.
I think the ramifications preventing that from happening are socio-economical, for the Citadel. In 2 years, they didn't even have the resources to rebuild Tayseri, let alone sinking an unfathomable amount of credits to safeguard the Citadel with something that would outmatch the combined forces of the 3 fleets that defended it from Sovereign. With the given tech, that was impossible to come up with in the amount of 2 years. But it was possible to change all weapons into having thermal clips, instead of heatsinks:wizard:
Or Cerberus becoming their own military superpower. Yeah, some things didn't make sense, but was the payoff worthwhile? Apparently, for the OT, it was. At least, the majority of people and critics seem to think that.
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Just like the Citadel couldn't even beef up its defenses after being clearly involved in a war for more than two years.
It's no different in either game... one is not worse than the other. The fans just decided to make an issue of it with Andromeda because, heaven forbid, the Nomad didn't have a gun they could pew pew enemies with from a distance.
I think the ramifications preventing that from happening are socio-economical, for the Citadel. In 2 years, they didn't even have the resources to rebuild Tayseri, let alone sinking an unfathomable amount of credits to safeguard the Citadel with something that would outmatch the combined forces of the 3 fleets that defended it from Sovereign. With the given tech, that was impossible to come up with in the amount of 2 years. But it was possible to change all weapons into having thermal clips, instead of heatsinks:wizard:
Or Cerberus becoming their own military superpower. Yeah, some things didn't make sense, but was the payoff worthwhile? Apparently, for the OT, it was. At least, the majority of people and critics seem to think that. You can head canon in whatever explanation you want. Why weren't there already significant ground to air defenses set up on the Citadel prior to even Sovereign's attack. They had fought wars before - Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellions, even the human incident with the Turians. They knew that the Milky Way galaxy wasn't "safe" and they had centuries to add huge amounts of weaponry to the Citadel... but they didn't. Why would people expect the people of the Initiative to have the mindset to arm the Nexus to the teeth, when their predecessors saw no need to similarly arm the Citadel over centuries and multiple wars?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 25, 2019 12:58:04 GMT
Why weren't there already significant ground to air defenses set up on the Citadel prior to even Sovereign's attack. Because they had 3 fleets around it? Perhaps they tried and the keepers fucked those defenses up? Perhaps as the heart of galactic diplomacy, weaponizing the Citadel would give a wrong impression. That's a question for a Bioware dev, probably, since it isn't addressed to in-game. Why would people expect the people of the Initiative to have the mindset to arm the Nexus to the teeth, when their predecessors saw no need to similarly arm the Citadel over centuries and multiple wars? I'm not making an argument against that. I'm sure there is another explanation for it, that wasn't disclosed in the game. But I thought the point of the Initiative was to do things differently than the MW.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 25, 2019 13:05:58 GMT
I think the ramifications preventing that from happening are socio-economical, for the Citadel. In 2 years, they didn't even have the resources to rebuild Tayseri, let alone sinking an unfathomable amount of credits to safeguard the Citadel with something that would outmatch the combined forces of the 3 fleets that defended it from Sovereign. With the given tech, that was impossible to come up with in the amount of 2 years. But it was possible to change all weapons into having thermal clips, instead of heatsinks:wizard:
Or Cerberus becoming their own military superpower. Yeah, some things didn't make sense, but was the payoff worthwhile? Apparently, for the OT, it was. At least, the majority of people and critics seem to think that. You can head canon in whatever explanation you want. Why weren't there already significant ground to air defenses set up on the Citadel prior to even Sovereign's attack. They had fought wars before - Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellions, even the human incident with the Turians. They knew that the Milky Way galaxy wasn't "safe" and they had centuries to add huge amounts of weaponry to the Citadel... but they didn't. Why would people expect the people of the Initiative to have the mindset to arm the Nexus to the teeth, when their predecessors saw no need to similarly arm the Citadel over centuries and multiple wars? Um, there were? There's even a section I the endgame where you operate one. But you know, Saren and a bunch of geth had locked down the Citadel... Yet the Nexus has FA for defenses. Which is completely idiotic. So yeah, LOL at "colonialism"
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You can head canon in whatever explanation you want. Why weren't there already significant ground to air defenses set up on the Citadel prior to even Sovereign's attack. They had fought wars before - Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellions, even the human incident with the Turians. They knew that the Milky Way galaxy wasn't "safe" and they had centuries to add huge amounts of weaponry to the Citadel... but they didn't. Why would people expect the people of the Initiative to have the mindset to arm the Nexus to the teeth, when their predecessors saw no need to similarly arm the Citadel over centuries and multiple wars? Um, there were? There's even a section I the endgame where you operate one. But you know, Saren and a bunch of geth had locked down the Citadel... Yet the Nexus has FA for defenses. Which is completely idiotic. So yeah, LOL at "colonialism" Oh yes, the arms. That sure didn't help prevent Saren from reaching the Council Chamber in order to lock them down. for that, they were reduced to offering what, essentially no resistance at all... no major sign of swarms of C-Sec even using hand weapons (which we at least saw in ME3)... just a guy in Citadel control getting knocked unconscious and a keeper working quietly in a terminal as Saren marched by and shot him in the head.
The Nexus is unfinished. We don't know yet whether it will have a mechanism for shielding itself a la closing arms. It might be more of a biotic barrier that requires power... which is in short supply on the Nexus as we are clearly told at the start of the game.
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Why weren't there already significant ground to air defenses set up on the Citadel prior to even Sovereign's attack. Because they had 3 fleets around it? Perhaps they tried and the keepers fucked those defenses up? Perhaps as the heart of galactic diplomacy, weaponizing the Citadel would give a wrong impression. That's a question for a Bioware dev, probably, since it isn't addressed to in-game. Why would people expect the people of the Initiative to have the mindset to arm the Nexus to the teeth, when their predecessors saw no need to similarly arm the Citadel over centuries and multiple wars? I'm not making an argument against that. I'm sure there is another explanation for it, that wasn't disclosed in the game. But I thought the point of the Initiative was to do things differently than the MW. I already acknowledged that you can construct head canon to explain it. You can also speculate. Nothing stopping you and it's an exercise that we all do. As I indicated, the mindset of the popualtion in the game right from ME1 is NOT militaristic... not driven towards constructing a bunch of big-gun defenses on their civilian installations - colonies or the Citadel. It's obvious from the lack of them displayed even in ME1... and expressed in ME2 by the people on Horizon. I would not expect then, that the Initiative would think in a militaristic way. They are the same sort of "hippy" escapists that fled to the Terminus in the Trilogy. Even the advent of the exiles is predictable based on the history of the ME Milky Way. The Terminus soon became a lawless haven for mercs. It's a repeating social pattern... the same in ALL the games , including Andromeda.
Why does it "work" for the OT and not Andromeda... my personal theory again is that people were setting themselves up to reject Andromeda long before it even released... and so they found fault with it (no surprise there), but the hypocrisy is that the faults they find with it are the SAME faults that essentially exist in the OT (which they idolize).
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 25, 2019 14:17:13 GMT
my personal theory again is that people were setting themselves up to reject Andromeda long before it even released Well, I won't say you're wrong there. but the hypocrisy is that the faults they find with it are the SAME faults that essentially exist in the OT (which they idolize). I think there are two problems here. First of all, the OT finished five years prior to Andromeda. In the meantime, people have had plenty of time to dissect it and find faults and go "yeah, it had its faults" but that didn't retroactively ruin their past fun. I'd argue that ME3 did that just fine, but that's ... we've been down that road before, it's redundant to repeat that. But you know what else is redundant? Repeating past mistakes. The same mistakes that we gave old Bioware a pass, because we were too enthralled 5, 7 or 10 years ago to notice, but had plenty of time to notice since.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 25, 2019 14:20:34 GMT
Um, there were? There's even a section I the endgame where you operate one. But you know, Saren and a bunch of geth had locked down the Citadel... Yet the Nexus has FA for defenses. Which is completely idiotic. So yeah, LOL at "colonialism" Oh yes, the arms. That sure didn't help prevent Saren from reaching the Council Chamber in order to lock them down. for that, they were reduced to offering what, essentially no resistance at all... no major sign of swarms of C-Sec even using hand weapons (which we at least saw in ME3)... just a guy in Citadel control getting knocked unconscious and a keeper working quietly in a terminal as Saren marched by and shot him in the head. Well, that and the small army of geth he brought with him...[/div] The Nexus is unfinished. We don't know yet whether it will have a mechanism for shielding itself a la closing arms. It might be more of a biotic barrier that requires power... which is in short supply on the Nexus as we are clearly told at the start of the game.
[/quote]Given NONE of the ships the AI brought with them were armed, I fail to see how the Nexus or any colony that gets established were going to be protected by Andromeda's version of space pirates, let alone the kett.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 25, 2019 15:22:48 GMT
The Andromeda Initiative did bring ships that were armed . We see a couple times in the game that they brought fighters.
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Oh yes, the arms. That sure didn't help prevent Saren from reaching the Council Chamber in order to lock them down. for that, they were reduced to offering what, essentially no resistance at all... no major sign of swarms of C-Sec even using hand weapons (which we at least saw in ME3)... just a guy in Citadel control getting knocked unconscious and a keeper working quietly in a terminal as Saren marched by and shot him in the head. Well, that and the small army of geth he brought with him...Given NONE of the ships the AI brought with them were armed, I fail to see how the Nexus or any colony that gets established were going to be protected by Andromeda's version of space pirates, let alone the kett. [/quote] If none were armed, what was it that Kandros is firing at the kett at 11:02 to 11:09 in this video?
... and, just out of interest, when are you going to stop buying into those obvious lies that were propagated by individuals who never fully played the game?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 25, 2019 15:44:14 GMT
Well, that and the small army of geth he brought with him... [/div] The Nexus is unfinished. We don't know yet whether it will have a mechanism for shielding itself a la closing arms. It might be more of a biotic barrier that requires power... which is in short supply on the Nexus as we are clearly told at the start of the game.
[/quote]Given NONE of the ships the AI brought with them were armed, I fail to see how the Nexus or any colony that gets established were going to be protected by Andromeda's version of space pirates, let alone the kett.[/quote][/div]
If none were armed, what was it that Kandros is firing at the kett at 11:02 to 11:09 in this video?
[/quote] That appears to be a fighter. So it now stands to reason that the "small squad of fighters" that escorted the Nexus to dark space ended up going with them. So eyah, bravo, they have at most one squadron of fighters to protect a half dozen colony worlds and the Nexus. Bravo. You sure showed me...
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[/div] The Nexus is unfinished. We don't know yet whether it will have a mechanism for shielding itself a la closing arms. It might be more of a biotic barrier that requires power... which is in short supply on the Nexus as we are clearly told at the start of the game.
[/quote]Given NONE of the ships the AI brought with them were armed, I fail to see how the Nexus or any colony that gets established were going to be protected by Andromeda's version of space pirates, let alone the kett.[/quote][/div]
If none were armed, what was it that Kandros is firing at the kett at 11:02 to 11:09 in this video?
[/quote] That appears to be a fighter. So it now stands to reason that the "small squad of fighters" that escorted the Nexus to dark space ended up going with them. So eyah, bravo, they have at most one squadron of fighters to protect a half dozen colony worlds and the Nexus. Bravo. You sure showed me... [/quote][/div]
None is none. Some is some.
There was a poster who asked what one might do to survive? Well, maybe it means taking a risk and not powering big guns on the Nexus when you're short of power to start with... maybe you decide to provide the power to life support and keeping the lights on to keep the plants alive to provide you with oxygen and food instead? Maybe it means you form allies with a species that has a lot of guns (the Angara) as soon as you can? Maybe it means to find other ways to fight? - The Salarian Pathfinder sure did a heap more damage to the one kett fighter with his/her shotgun than Shepard did with a bigger gun from a shuttle on Rannoch; and the Asari Pathfinder sent another to oblivion biotic-ly. Maybe survival means leaving a galaxy sooner than you expected with an unfinished "Citadel" and leaving an Ark behind and maybe some more fighters... that you couldn't really afford since you were out of money and time?
Maybe being even halfway objective means at looking at the flaws in both the Trilogy and Andromeda with equally un-jaded eyes.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 25, 2019 16:20:30 GMT
[/div] The Nexus is unfinished. We don't know yet whether it will have a mechanism for shielding itself a la closing arms. It might be more of a biotic barrier that requires power... which is in short supply on the Nexus as we are clearly told at the start of the game.
[/quote]Given NONE of the ships the AI brought with them were armed, I fail to see how the Nexus or any colony that gets established were going to be protected by Andromeda's version of space pirates, let alone the kett.[/quote][/div]
If none were armed, what was it that Kandros is firing at the kett at 11:02 to 11:09 in this video?
[/quote] That appears to be a fighter. So it now stands to reason that the "small squad of fighters" that escorted the Nexus to dark space ended up going with them. So eyah, bravo, they have at most one squadron of fighters to protect a half dozen colony worlds and the Nexus. Bravo. You sure showed me... [/quote][/div]
None is none. Some is some.
There was a poster who asked what one might do to survive? Well, maybe it means taking a risk and not powering big guns on the Nexus when you're short of power to start with... maybe you decide to provide the power to life support and keeping the lights on to keep the plants alive to provide you with oxygen and food instead? Maybe it means you form allies with a species that has a lot of guns (the Angara) as soon as you can? Maybe it means to find other ways to fight? - The Salarian Pathfinder sure did a heap more damage to the one kett fighter with his/her shotgun than Shepard did with a bigger gun from a shuttle on Rannoch; and the Asari Pathfinder sent another to oblivion biotic-ly. Maybe survival means leaving a galaxy sooner than you expected with an unfinished "Citadel" and leaving an Ark behind and maybe some more fighters... that you couldn't really afford since you were out of money and time?
Maybe being even halfway objective means at looking at the flaws in both the Trilogy and Andromeda with equally un-jaded eyes.
[/quote] Except the Nexus and the arks are specifically mentioned as being unarmed. And such a glaring flaw in the AI was NEVER addressed, even in passing. Again, the AI has no means of promoting "colonialism" They are completely at the mercy of whatever life forms they encounter in Andromeda. If they got here and met the Andromeda equivalent of the rachni, the geth, the krogan, they'd have been totally and completely f*cked. So again, the idea that MEA or its potential sequels can ever address that is, LOL-worthy.
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[/div] The Nexus is unfinished. We don't know yet whether it will have a mechanism for shielding itself a la closing arms. It might be more of a biotic barrier that requires power... which is in short supply on the Nexus as we are clearly told at the start of the game.
[/quote]Given NONE of the ships the AI brought with them were armed, I fail to see how the Nexus or any colony that gets established were going to be protected by Andromeda's version of space pirates, let alone the kett.[/quote][/div]
If none were armed, what was it that Kandros is firing at the kett at 11:02 to 11:09 in this video?
[/quote] That appears to be a fighter. So it now stands to reason that the "small squad of fighters" that escorted the Nexus to dark space ended up going with them. So eyah, bravo, they have at most one squadron of fighters to protect a half dozen colony worlds and the Nexus. Bravo. You sure showed me... [/quote][/div]
None is none. Some is some.
There was a poster who asked what one might do to survive? Well, maybe it means taking a risk and not powering big guns on the Nexus when you're short of power to start with... maybe you decide to provide the power to life support and keeping the lights on to keep the plants alive to provide you with oxygen and food instead? Maybe it means you form allies with a species that has a lot of guns (the Angara) as soon as you can? Maybe it means to find other ways to fight? - The Salarian Pathfinder sure did a heap more damage to the one kett fighter with his/her shotgun than Shepard did with a bigger gun from a shuttle on Rannoch; and the Asari Pathfinder sent another to oblivion biotic-ly. Maybe survival means leaving a galaxy sooner than you expected with an unfinished "Citadel" and leaving an Ark behind and maybe some more fighters... that you couldn't really afford since you were out of money and time?
Maybe being even halfway objective means at looking at the flaws in both the Trilogy and Andromeda with equally un-jaded eyes.
[/quote] Except the Nexus and the arks are specifically mentioned as being unarmed. And such a glaring flaw in the AI was NEVER addressed, even in passing. Again, the AI has no means of promoting "colonialism" They are completely at the mercy of whatever life forms they encounter in Andromeda. If they got here and met the Andromeda equivalent of the rachni, the geth, the krogan, they'd have been totally and completely f*cked. So again, the idea that MEA or its potential sequels can ever address that is, LOL-worthy. [/quote][/div]
What is now "unarmed" can always become "armed." They have allies who are armed and who have resources within the galaxy. They themselves have acquired significant tech that is, by all accounts, armed to the nines. That you don't see the difference between "none" and "some" and you refuse to see that arming the Nexus ss a potential in a sequel is what is LOL worthy. Heaven forbid... the AI might do in a decade what the Asari failed to do with the Citadel after centuries... that is, put up some ground to air defenses.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 25, 2019 16:26:53 GMT
I agree with lakus that it was very weird that the AI did not bring (more) armed ships with them, simply for defense. I get that maybe they did not want to seem hostile but if you are going to fly into the complete unknown, it's just stupid not to be at least somewhat prepared. And come on, a quarter of the AI were turians, you really think they'd come out there without some big guns, just in case?
But then, even though they didn't bring lot's of guns, we do see that they are perfectly capable of building them fairly quickly (like the canons we see at Prodromos for example). Given the whole microfacturing and material conversion process that is common in the ME universe it shouldn't take too long to build up a war economy if you need to.
And of course, there cannot be a colonial attitude towards the kett. They are a massive force and it is implied that we only saw a tiny tip of the iceberg in Helios. I was really mostly thinking about the relationship with the Angara. Technologically, they seem to be about the same level or maybe even a little less advanced than the AI and they are also in a fairly weak state after 80 years of kett suppression. Sure, right now we are all friends and cuddly because we just faught a common enemy together but I wonder if that would last forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 17:51:04 GMT
I agree with lakus that it was very weird that the AI did not bring (more) armed ships with them, simply for defense. I get that maybe they did not want to seem hostile but if you are going to fly into the complete unknown, it's just stupid not to be at least somewhat prepared. And come on, a quarter of the AI were turians, you really think they'd come out there without some big guns, just in case? But then, even though they didn't bring lot's of guns, we do see that they are perfectly capable of building them fairly quickly (like the canons we see at Prodromos for example). Given the whole microfacturing and material conversion process that is common in the ME universe it shouldn't take too long to build up a war economy if you need to. And of course, there cannot be a colonial attitude towards the kett. They are a massive force and it is implied that we only saw a tiny tip of the iceberg in Helios. I was really mostly thinking about the relationship with the Angara. Technologically, they seem to be about the same level or maybe even a little less advanced than the AI and they are also in a fairly weak state after 80 years of kett suppression. Sure, right now we are all friends and cuddly because we just faught a common enemy together but I wonder if that would last forever. As I suggested though, one monkey wrench was that the Benefactor changed the time frame of departure... Jien Garson saying "and now they're sending 100,000 of us to Andromeda." It's possible that more armaments were planned and just got cut due to the schedule being changed and lack of funds. Isn't it understandable that they would put a greater priority on oxygen (i.e. plants) and building the cryo chambers and other such necessities than adding guns? So, yeah, it left the MW unarmed... but that doesn't mean that a few armaments weren't planned. None is none and some is some. There is a difference.
I don't think though that it was ever the plan to make Nexus into a dreadnought... the Citadel isn't and 1/3 of the Council has been Turian for years and years and years. Even though they've been through two major wars before the arrival of Sovereign, the Citadel hasn't been turned into an armed fortress either. It was left to basically rely on a folding shield and 3 fleets (that they Council also had centuries to build and that could be drawn into battles elsewhere.. leaving the Citadel then effectively undefended).
I'm suggesting there is a mindset present that's not militaristic. How well armed were the Asari ships that arrived to discover the Citadel? Do we even know?
I"m not saying the whole situation was well written and I'm admitting to using head canon... but we do as much for the OT all the time. The fact that the Citadel is extremely sparse in the department of air to ground defenses is never even noticed, let alone criticized.. yet it is a fact that it itself is set up more like the Nexus than people seem to want to admit.
As for allies... well, look at the situation Sovereign found itself in... alone in an entire galaxy scrounging for allies so that he could bring an army of geth to take over a largely undefended Citadal that the Reapers built... because he didn't know what he would be facing. That becomes the cornerstone of the ending of ME1, defended strenuously as not being a plot hole by people on this very site... but how is it different than the AI going into another galaxy hoping to make allies who would give them a better chance at surviving... where they didn't really know what they would be facing?
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Post by themikefest on Jun 25, 2019 19:37:56 GMT
Just like the Citadel couldn't even beef up its defenses after being clearly involved in a war for more than two years. Just like the colony on Horizon was basically defenseless even after the Alliance gave the "a big gun that couldn't shoot straight." And we certainly didn't see any other ground to air defenses during that run. The cutscene shows Ashley/Kaidan being the only individual in possession of even a firearm to shoot at the bugs. It's not like the citizens there even wanted the defenses because they left for the Terminus to get away from all that (the Alliance). Again with the 'that it happened in the trilogy as well' comment. I'm surprised you even like the game. It's obvious the game didn't do anything better than the trilogy. But you don't care as long as the game didn't take place in the Milky Way. I doubt you wouldn't care how poor a sequel might be as long as it takes place in Andromeda and not the Milky Way. I'm curious what you'll compare next. What if someone says they didn't like Andromeda because they didn't like a character's nose? Will you jump on your bandwagon to point out that one of the characters in the trilogy had a nose you didn't like? Is that why? Sounds like speculation on your part with nothing to support your comment.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 25, 2019 19:49:03 GMT
Isn't it understandable that they would put a greater priority on oxygen (i.e. plants) and building the cryo chambers and other such necessities than adding guns? No. First priority is making sure everyone is protected/safe. When you come under fire, that oxygen and cyro chambers won't do any good. It would not have been hard to put in automatic defense systems. Having that might give them enough time to get out of trouble and lessen any damage they take. Would you use that same reason why the Nexus didn't have a sam and pathfinder on it? Is it possible they planned to have a weapon system for the Nexus? Doubtful. If the benefactor truly wanted to make sure 100,000 make it safely to Andromeda, he/she/it/they would have put in a defense system of some kind.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 25, 2019 22:46:40 GMT
Isn't it understandable that they would put a greater priority on oxygen (i.e. plants) and building the cryo chambers and other such necessities than adding guns? No. First priority is making sure everyone is protected/safe. When you come under fire, that oxygen and cyro chambers won't do any good. It would not have been hard to put in automatic defense systems. Having that might give them enough time to get out of trouble and lessen any damage they take. Would you use that same reason why the Nexus didn't have a sam and pathfinder on it? Is it possible they planned to have a weapon system for the Nexus? Doubtful. If the benefactor truly wanted to make sure 100,000 make it safely to Andromeda, he/she/it/they would have put in a defense system of some kind. Really this entire endeavor in my head canon was a way to basically kill off a good portion of the idiots of the galaxy so the Reaper War wouldn't go FUBUR out of the gate. I mean why else would you do such a massively under planned mass colonization with no protection, no real leadership and filled with people that remark on how tired their face is?
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