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Post by biggydx on Jul 7, 2019 22:06:45 GMT
I bring this question up primarily because Anthems launch did a lot to hurt BioWare's reputation when it came to setting player expectations too high for what they could deliver. This was in addition to features being removed from the game even a year prior to its release. The most notable of these features were the elements seen in the E3 2018 trailer for it, which included a World Boss (Ancient Ash Titan), seamless transitioning between game spaces, introductory cinematics, a complete change in the geographical location of said stronghold, and a lack of destructible environments (ex. the Colossus blowing up the shack). None of this even takes into account what was originally shown at E3 2017 when Anthem was first revealed.
Showcasing gameplay footage closer to release reveals more of what the game is likely to be by the time it launches. Though I think there's always the potential for BioWare to overhype the game, the closer it is to launch, the less likely there are to be drastic changes to the game. I wanted to gauge what you all felt was an appropriate time to release solid gameplay for Dragon Age 4. Please know that I'm not saying they can't release a teaser trailer or cinematic trailer; though those are far less common today.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jul 7, 2019 22:08:47 GMT
A year because thats both realistic and also the bare maximum an inpatient fucker like me can wait. Simple as that.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 7, 2019 22:14:16 GMT
6-9 months (voted 6), because - hope to the Maker - the game would be feature locked by then and they'd be bug stomping and not still deciding if some cool feature was going to be in the final product or not.
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Post by githcheater on Jul 7, 2019 22:34:03 GMT
Three months ... Hopefully less crunch time for developer sanity purposes, and hopefully won't be overhyped and over promised ... and it still gives me time to build a new PC.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 7, 2019 22:36:55 GMT
At least a year. I don't like this whole waiting until the last minute to show things that they've been doing lately. How they did DAI was a lot more enjoyable.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 7, 2019 22:42:53 GMT
6 months or so. We'll get a teaser and title reveal likely this year and then at EA play next year we'll get a gameplay demo similar to Fallen Order for a late 2020 or early 2021 release.
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Post by Zemgus on Jul 7, 2019 22:51:11 GMT
dunno but I hope they show the character creator before hand cause it was so awful in Andromeda and DAI's cc was fine but the hairstyles were shitty.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Jul 8, 2019 8:58:37 GMT
At least one year prior, imo. I'm not a big fan of showing game play 3 mouths before release- mainly because if it's flawed, they won't be able to correct it. And another big reason- Anthem development was really rocky, they had a lot of time spent on figuring things out, instead of working on some defined concept. If they show us a gameplay year before the release, we can be sure that they picked a destination and moving toward it, improving something, instead of reinventing it. I really don't want bad management to fuck up DA
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jul 8, 2019 12:15:37 GMT
I went for 6 months, it seems like a decent amount of time, any more & I'll be like a meth-head, desperate for my next hit
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 8, 2019 12:55:27 GMT
6-9 months (voted 6), because - hope to the Maker - the game would be feature locked by then and they'd be bug stomping and not still deciding if some cool feature was going to be in the final product or not. That would be a first then.
Regardless of how well managed a project is, I believe hyping a game well ahead of release just creates too many expectations that ultimately end in disappointment. It also creates a lot of pressure for devs to deliver on what they promised. Kickstarted games suffer from over-promising too.
Imo 3 months is ideal for gameplay. 6 months for a trailer to generate interest but doesn't promsie anything specific.
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Post by xassantex on Jul 8, 2019 13:49:14 GMT
i chose 1 year, but that's selfishly only to keep my interest
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 8, 2019 15:59:37 GMT
6-9 months (voted 6), because - hope to the Maker - the game would be feature locked by then and they'd be bug stomping and not still deciding if some cool feature was going to be in the final product or not. That would be a first then.
Regardless of how well managed a project is, I believe hyping a game well ahead of release just creates too many expectations that ultimately end in disappointment. It also creates a lot of pressure for devs to deliver on what they promised. Kickstarted games suffer from over-promising too.
Imo 3 months is ideal for gameplay. 6 months for a trailer to generate interest but doesn't promsie anything specific.
I voted 6 months, but I agree it should be at a time when they feel reasonably confident that the bulk of what they show us will wind up in the game. And I agree that showing a vertical slice of gameplay far out from launch almost inevitably creates expectations the final game won't meet. Further, hype fatigue is a real thing when you promote the game over too long a period. There's also the risk (as with DA:I) that you wind up showing off too much of the game before launch as you're constantly trying to keep that hype going.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 16:11:03 GMT
I would hope for six months but expect three months, so I voted three. Honestly, if they aren't showing us anything by three months I will hold off on a pre order. I love this franchise and I have high hopes for the next game, but I'm super cautious after Anthem and MEA. I believe the DA team can do it, I just want to be realistic with my expectations.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 8, 2019 17:46:55 GMT
Today The day before release.
Do it like Bethesda did for Fallout 4. Release gameplay and whatever else about 6 months before release.
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Post by biggydx on Jul 8, 2019 20:16:28 GMT
I would hope for six months but expect three months, so I voted three. Honestly, if they aren't showing us anything by three months I will hold off on a pre order. I love this franchise and I have high hopes for the next game, but I'm super cautious after Anthem and MEA. I believe the DA team can do it, I just want to be realistic with my expectations. It is a possibility. Rockstar did this with Red Dead Redemption 2 (and I think GTAV). However, I imagine after Andromeda and Anthem, some might take BioWare releasing gameplay that close to release as pretentious and unearned.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 8, 2019 20:47:09 GMT
I would hope for six months but expect three months, so I voted three. Honestly, if they aren't showing us anything by three months I will hold off on a pre order. I love this franchise and I have high hopes for the next game, but I'm super cautious after Anthem and MEA. I believe the DA team can do it, I just want to be realistic with my expectations. It is a possibility. Rockstar did this with Red Dead Redemption 2 (and I think GTAV). However, I imagine after Andromeda and Anthem, some might take BioWare releasing gameplay that close to release as pretentious and unearned. It'll be a difficult balancing act, however they choose to play it. Too soon and there is the risk of "Crestwooding" DA4, which wouldn't be fun. At all. Too late and the narrative from the click-baiters and maybe even legitimate journalists would be either "DA4 IN TROUBLE - BIOWARE HIDING GAMEPLAY" or, as you say, unearned emulation of Rockstar and other developers who hold off until - quite literally - the last moment. Which is why I'd favour - if the decision were left to me - 6-9 months out from release. A trailer earlier than that, fine. Screenshots? Absolutely. Cutscenes showing dialogue choices and the like? Why not? But full gameplay demo/trailer....that needs the game to be done, a little quality control aside, in my view.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 8, 2019 20:59:06 GMT
It is a possibility. Rockstar did this with Red Dead Redemption 2 (and I think GTAV). However, I imagine after Andromeda and Anthem, some might take BioWare releasing gameplay that close to release as pretentious and unearned. It'll be a difficult balancing act, however they choose to play it. Too soon and there is the risk of "Crestwooding" DA4, which wouldn't be fun. At all. Too late and the narrative from the click-baiters and maybe even legitimate journalists would be either "DA4 IN TROUBLE - BIOWARE HIDING GAMEPLAY" or, as you say, unearned emulation of Rockstar and other developers who hold off until - quite literally - the last moment. Which is why I'd favour - if the decision were left to me - 6-9 months out from release. A trailer earlier than that, fine. Screenshots? Absolutely. Cutscenes showing dialogue choices and the like? Why not? But full gameplay demo/trailer....that needs the game to be done, a little quality control aside, in my view. exactly. Which is why i think that they should release gameplay only when they are ninety percent sure what they are showing will be in the game. This can be nine months before or 2 days.
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Post by Silversmurf on Jul 11, 2019 0:03:42 GMT
It is a possibility. Rockstar did this with Red Dead Redemption 2 (and I think GTAV). However, I imagine after Andromeda and Anthem, some might take BioWare releasing gameplay that close to release as pretentious and unearned. It'll be a difficult balancing act, however they choose to play it. Too soon and there is the risk of "Crestwooding" DA4, which wouldn't be fun. At all. Too late and the narrative from the click-baiters and maybe even legitimate journalists would be either "DA4 IN TROUBLE - BIOWARE HIDING GAMEPLAY" or, as you say, unearned emulation of Rockstar and other developers who hold off until - quite literally - the last moment. Which is why I'd favour - if the decision were left to me - 6-9 months out from release. A trailer earlier than that, fine. Screenshots? Absolutely. Cutscenes showing dialogue choices and the like? Why not? But full gameplay demo/trailer....that needs the game to be done, a little quality control aside, in my view. A LOT of quality control should be done this time....there's still abilities in the multiplayer that act differently to the tool tip...
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 11, 2019 5:18:13 GMT
It'll be a difficult balancing act, however they choose to play it. Too soon and there is the risk of "Crestwooding" DA4, which wouldn't be fun. At all. Too late and the narrative from the click-baiters and maybe even legitimate journalists would be either "DA4 IN TROUBLE - BIOWARE HIDING GAMEPLAY" or, as you say, unearned emulation of Rockstar and other developers who hold off until - quite literally - the last moment. Which is why I'd favour - if the decision were left to me - 6-9 months out from release. A trailer earlier than that, fine. Screenshots? Absolutely. Cutscenes showing dialogue choices and the like? Why not? But full gameplay demo/trailer....that needs the game to be done, a little quality control aside, in my view. A LOT of quality control should be done this time....there's still abilities in the multiplayer that act differently to the tool tip... Fair enough - wait...Dragon Age has multiplayer?
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Post by Silversmurf on Jul 11, 2019 7:36:56 GMT
A LOT of quality control should be done this time....there's still abilities in the multiplayer that act differently to the tool tip... Fair enough - wait...Dragon Age has multiplayer? Haha yeah, I no-lifed it to #1 on PS4 I still haven't played the SP......it's on my to-do list along with Horizon Zero Dawn and 20 or so others.... Oh, and I voted 3 months.
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Post by biggydx on Jul 11, 2019 16:00:52 GMT
Fair enough - wait...Dragon Age has multiplayer? Haha yeah, I no-lifed it to #1 on PS4 I still haven't played the SP......it's on my to-do list along with Horizon Zero Dawn and 20 or so others.... Oh, and I voted 3 months. What was your prestige level? I can't remember if I stopped around 700 or 900, but it was up there by the time I stopped.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 11, 2019 16:03:38 GMT
It'll be a difficult balancing act, however they choose to play it. Too soon and there is the risk of "Crestwooding" DA4, which wouldn't be fun. At all. Too late and the narrative from the click-baiters and maybe even legitimate journalists would be either "DA4 IN TROUBLE - BIOWARE HIDING GAMEPLAY" or, as you say, unearned emulation of Rockstar and other developers who hold off until - quite literally - the last moment. Which is why I'd favour - if the decision were left to me - 6-9 months out from release. A trailer earlier than that, fine. Screenshots? Absolutely. Cutscenes showing dialogue choices and the like? Why not? But full gameplay demo/trailer....that needs the game to be done, a little quality control aside, in my view. A LOT of quality control should be done this time....there's still abilities in the multiplayer that act differently to the tool tip... Imo, they need a tooltip engineer badly.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 11, 2019 16:28:56 GMT
It'll be a difficult balancing act, however they choose to play it. Too soon and there is the risk of "Crestwooding" DA4, which wouldn't be fun. At all. Too late and the narrative from the click-baiters and maybe even legitimate journalists would be either "DA4 IN TROUBLE - BIOWARE HIDING GAMEPLAY" or, as you say, unearned emulation of Rockstar and other developers who hold off until - quite literally - the last moment. Which is why I'd favour - if the decision were left to me - 6-9 months out from release. A trailer earlier than that, fine. Screenshots? Absolutely. Cutscenes showing dialogue choices and the like? Why not? But full gameplay demo/trailer....that needs the game to be done, a little quality control aside, in my view. A LOT of quality control should be done this time....there's still abilities in the multiplayer that act differently to the tool tip... Ah yes, also in the beginning of the year we had this discussion in DAIMP: "What the H**L is your weapong doing?!?" "Lemme see... it says % to cast unbowed??? What is that?" -> 'Unbowed was a warrior ability from the Vanguard tree in Dragon Age: Inquisition. It was replaced by Livid in patch 10, but remains as part of item properties' - "oookay? well I hope it works still"
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2019 19:41:26 GMT
I voted 6 months but anything up to 9 months would be okay. Basically whatever they show I want it to be what we get in the final version and as others have said 6-9 months ought to mean that the substance has been finalised, so if we get shown cool things we can do, then it should happen.
I'm wary of 12 months because I think that was the length of time before what should have been the original release date for DAI when we were shown all these great features of gameplay that never made it to the final version. This same applies to the first proper trailer. Once again the first one for DAI, featuring Morrigan's voice over didn't really match what we finally got. In fact I still say that trailer would be more appropriate for DA4 considering what we know of Solas' plans and she was talking of the "darkness closing in" and would we stand against it or "lead this world to its bitter end."
On the other hand, I'd like them to release the sort of PC spec that will be required as early as possible.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jul 11, 2019 20:58:12 GMT
Never would be too soon. There’s no upside and tons of downside to any kind of early look.
Is any franchise fan that really liked DAI/Trepasser **not** going to buy the game without a gameplay preview? Is there much of a market for players entering the franchise for the first time with DA4? I doubt it. So no upside.
Downside should be obvious. I’ll just say Andromeda and Anthem.
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