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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jul 24, 2019 14:35:23 GMT
I'm playing the DA games for the first time in a while and just finished DAO last night. I decided to create a new Warden-Commander character for Awakening this time, for a couple of reasons: (1) to see if any of the content is different, and (2) my current Warden, like the last, would have qualms about conscripting Anders into the Grey Wardens without warning him of the dangers of the Joining (which the dialogue choices don't allow). However, when I played through Awakening by just letting him go instead of conscripting him, it seemed like this choice didn't import, because DA2 still had him talking about being conscripted and his whole situation with Justice. So I figured I'd get around the problem by creating a new Warden-Commander with a more Duncanesque view of the Joining.
My questions are: (1) is anything ever mentioned about an Awakening-only Warden-Commander in DA2 or DAI, and (2) can I still play Witch Hunt with my surviving Warden from DOA? (I don't really see why an Orlesian Warden-Commander who never met Morrigan would be inclined to go chasing after her, aside from maybe a general concern about rogue mages messing around with eluvians).
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Post by Catilina on Jul 24, 2019 14:56:05 GMT
About Anders: Sadly no. Whatever the Warden-Commander decided, it doesn't matter. Anders' dialogue doesn't change. He was a Warden in Amarantine, he met and befriended with Justice here, and after they merged, he left the Wardens, and he told, because of the current Warden-Commander and Ser Pounce a-lot. Even if the Warden Commander gave him to the Templars, and didn't recruit Justice.
With Nathaniel, Anders have a funny conversation, if the Warden-Commander go to Amarantine, doesn't strengthen the Vigil's Keep, and Anders left for defend the Keep.
Nobody mentions the Orlesian Warden-Commander in the Inquisition, I suppose (I don't have World-state with this decision, so, I'm not sure).
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 24, 2019 17:21:07 GMT
sometimes the dialogue for Anders can also get a bit bugged in DA2, some characters (like Stroud) may say Anders died while he didn't, though there are mods (for pc only though) that address several importing bugs for DA2
this is also the case with his cat, Ser-Pounce-a-Lot, I believe he's always mentioned regardless of whether or not he was gifted by the Warden-Commander (not sure since I tend to always give him the kitten) same goes with the nug one can give to Leliana in Origins (in Inquisition there's always a codex found where it's mentioned this nug had offspring)
the Orlesian Warden can be imported into Witch-Hunt and DA2, but I don't think they're ever mentioned in DA2 (or maybe I missed that since all of my Wardens tend to live), aside from some of the quest choices one may have made
such as how and if you dealt with the conspiracy against the Warden-Commander, as well as the fate of the Vigil and Amaranthine itself
as for Inquisition...Bioware never fully implemented the Orlesian Warden, as seen in the fact you can import your Warden into Awakening even if they're dead if the Warden died in Origins, or in your case you made a different Warden for Awakening, they are never mentioned in Inquisition (aside from the Origins crew who met the original Warden of Origins) the events of Awakening still happened, but they're never actually addressed in any way or form
it's assumed the Orlesian Warden was recalled to Orlais after the events of Awakening (as seen in the epilogue slides), and (likely) died during or before the events of Here Lies the Abyss
though depending on how old you head canon you Orlesian Warden, they might've also gone on their Calling by then
(here's hoping that if Bioware ever does a remake of the series they'll address the issue of dead Warden vs. Orlesian Warden  )
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Post by Dukemon on Jul 28, 2019 23:00:46 GMT
To bad. The Orlaisian Warden was fascinating written. It felt very differently and it was lore friendly. However, his exploration for Morrigan did not make sense. ^^
Bioware should add this Origin to the Keep. I liked my orlaisian Wardens.
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Post by melbella on Jul 29, 2019 1:02:56 GMT
To bad. The Orlaisian Warden was fascinating written. It felt very differently and it was lore friendly. However, his exploration for Morrigan did not make sense. ^^ So true. Whereas everyone fawns over HoF, they are instead pretty suspicious/skeptical of the Orlesian WC. Mine didn't play either GoA or WH since neither seemed appropriate. |
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Post by Sifr on Jul 29, 2019 9:16:16 GMT
To add to the confusion, in the novel Last Flight, it's mentioned that Ferelden now has a new Warden-Commander.
So that person is either replacing the Hero of Fereden (in absentia), the Orlesian-Warden, or the person who replaced the Orlesian-Warden after Awakening (unless they are the same person), depending on which worldstate you're using (Bioware or Player)?
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Post by Dukemon on Jul 29, 2019 9:42:00 GMT
It is well known that our Warden (Origins Warden and Orlaisian Warden) is replaced after a while.
Although, our Warden is still the Commander of the Grey in Ferelden in DAI in the letter. So it's all the more curious that the Greys of Ferelden follow Clarel without doubts. They have to following the Commander of the Grey from Ferelden, normally.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 29, 2019 9:49:46 GMT
To add to the confusion, in the novel Last Flight, it's mentioned that Ferelden now has a new Warden-Commander. So that person is either replacing the Hero of Fereden ( in absentia), the Orlesian-Warden, or the person who replaced the Orlesian-Warden after Awakening (unless they are the same person), depending on which worldstate you're using (Bioware or Player)? *shrug* must be
my canon Warden is Queen of Ferelden alongside Alistair, and I head canon that when she goes in search of the cure she takes along Nathaniel, Oghren and her other Awakening Wardens (seeing as the ending slides of Origins and Awakening are treated mostly as rumors anyway and we don't actually know who lived or died by that point, looking at you Anders)
so...someone must be in charge while she's gone...
I believe that in the books and comics it's assumed to be the Bioware canon, in which the Warden died slaying the Archdemon so I guess that the person in charge must be either the Orlesian Warden or whoever was chosen to command the Ferelden Wardens after the Orlesian one was recalled
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Post by Sifr on Jul 29, 2019 11:34:36 GMT
In my canon, the Warden is alive, did the Dark Ritual and is in a relationship with Morrigan.
In my headcanon, the Warden left Nathaniel in charge, as they've been subtly preparing him as their replacement for some time. I don't mind if Bioware announces that the new canon Warden-Commander is someone different, because I'll chalk it up to Weisshaupt overruling my HoF's preferred choice of replacement, wanting someone they'd have more control over.
But OT, I'd really like to see the Orlesian Warden appear again in some fashion, whether it's in the games, comics or novels.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 30, 2019 16:20:25 GMT
I don't think it is immoral not tell Anders about the Joining. What do you think he was gonna say? "No, thanks. I'd rather be executed by the templars/be made tranquil"?
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Post by Sonya on Dec 18, 2019 9:19:35 GMT
"No, thanks. I'd rather be executed by the templars/be made tranquil"? considering how many times he ran away and wasn't executed or made tranquil (but Wynne's student already during the 1st attempt was called BM and hunted doen, even if not so successful, he still could take his chances. Too bad DAA doesn't stack with DA2 events. Do what you what with Anders, tell him the truth or or - it will always be the same in DA2 (as he is so important to the game, I undertstand). |
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