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Post by ahglock on Nov 13, 2019 17:45:43 GMT
Ryder's no Picard. Though SAM could be Wesley Crusher... Per haps not but the idea is the same. It may have been the idea. But, unlike TNG virtually no one liked the crew or cast of characters. Even the first season of TNG people liked the crew, but the stories were shaky. People liked it enough to get a season 2 which is where it could take off. People didn't like MEA enough to even get the planned DLC.
A mass effect with Shepard isn't my top pick or even in my top 3 picks of where I want the series to go, but it would sell better than MEA2 where they just pick up with the crew where they left off.
They effectively need to reboot MEA in order to continue with it and get the sales they will want.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2019 17:53:19 GMT
I'd still love to see where the DLC was actually planned. People always mention that, but there are never any sources to support that point.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 13, 2019 17:55:24 GMT
You mean, we've gone from one kind of reusable spacecraft to a different type of reusable spacecraft? You're not very good at this "convincing argument" thing sometimes. Mass Effect! Now, without Mass Effect. Doesn't work as well, does it? I know this is supposed to mean something, but it doesn't. And, again, it's a complete non-response to the quoted material. Why do you bother with the quotes; it's quite silly. This is a confused mess. There's no reason for mass effect technology to go away for good if it's the best thing available given the physics of the universe. You're assuming that it will be replaced because it just has to or your argument falls apart, but Star Trek always has warp drive, with the odd transwarp conduit or some such added on. As for "Reaper tech" being destroyed in the MEU, starships still work, as we see in various epilogues. The relays are gone, but can either be repaired or replaced. Why should a thousand years after the Reapers be unrecognizably different from the thousand years before they showed up? A century or so in the future of Andromeda, what will be different? Well, likely we'll see directed-energy weapons in fairly common use since Ryder can acquire them. Maybe some genemodding or some such based on kett tech; wouldn't mind that. But unrecognizable? Only to the extent the devs want things to be different. This is an even worse handwave. Substituting rhetoric for argument again? I can see why you'd use that move with some posters here, but you've never seen me bite on that before, have you? As mentioned above, losing Reaper tech just means that some machines stop working until repaired or replaced. That's all. It doesn't mean that the fundamental physics of the universe has changed and those machines can't be replaced. It also doesn't mean that better ways of doing what those machines did will be discovered within any particular time-frame, if better ways are even possible at all. That can happen to the extent the devs want it to happen; to the extent the devs don't want it to happen, it won't happen. That's because you keep forgetting to actually make the argument. There's nothing to understand. Remember, I'm saying that mass effect technology won't have to go away. Since I'm denying that premise, the conclusions go away too.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 13, 2019 17:59:10 GMT
But most of that 5-6 million would have to be new players anyway. Going from ME3 to MEA, you have ME3 selling maybe, what, 4 million. Assuming that 2/3 retention figure, retention figure, you need as many new players just to get to 5 million, more to get to 6. And that's assuming 2/3 retention, which likely wasn't realistic anyway given the protagonist/setting shift. Less than the Planescape: Torment crowd would need to fill in. And no, less than half of the playerbase would have to be new players to reach that number. ME:A sold less than ME2. How do you draw that conclusion from that data? I don't see how the math works; show me the numbers. Again, I don't think Shepard will help. You''ll bring back some of the ex-fans, and lose some current fans.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2019 17:59:25 GMT
I know this is supposed to mean something, but it doesn't I'm done. You have a good day/afternoon/evening/night.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 18:23:29 GMT
Per haps not but the idea is the same. It may have been the idea. But, unlike TNG virtually no one liked the crew or cast of characters. Even the first season of TNG people liked the crew, but the stories were shaky. People liked it enough to get a season 2 which is where it could take off. People didn't like MEA enough to even get the planned DLC.
A mass effect with Shepard isn't my top pick or even in my top 3 picks of where I want the series to go, but it would sell better than MEA2 where they just pick up with the crew where they left off.
They effectively need to reboot MEA in order to continue with it and get the sales they will want.
Please cite factual and documented data that show that "virtually no one liked the crew or cast" of Andromeda.
You're pulling numbers out of your ass on that because such data does not exist. You simply cannot account for the millions of people who bought the game and have not posted anything about their opinions on it. Even among the very minor minority who have, there are numbers who have said they liked certain members of the cast and crew of Andromeda. "Virtually no one' is your exaggeration pulled out of your butt to support your own opinions. The only people that have any sort of accurate view on how individual characters of the game were received IS Bioware... and even their data is probably somewhat sketchy.
There is a big difference between Star Trek fans who were reticent about TNG and MET "fans" in that the Star Trek fans were never lobbying for the studio to go back and "fix" the original Star Trek... which has been a major driving point of these discussions about the OT for the past 8 years... and more, since some were even unhappy about the writing changes made during ME2. Spritually, the OT failed on its own and failed before Androemda was released.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 13, 2019 19:00:00 GMT
I know this is supposed to mean something, but it doesn't I'm done. You have a good day/afternoon/evening/night. Jeez. I said you had nothing, but I didn't expect you to just admit it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 13, 2019 19:07:35 GMT
It may have been the idea. But, unlike TNG virtually no one liked the crew or cast of characters. Even the first season of TNG people liked the crew, but the stories were shaky. People liked it enough to get a season 2 which is where it could take off. People didn't like MEA enough to even get the planned DLC.
A mass effect with Shepard isn't my top pick or even in my top 3 picks of where I want the series to go, but it would sell better than MEA2 where they just pick up with the crew where they left off.
They effectively need to reboot MEA in order to continue with it and get the sales they will want.
Please cite factual and documented data that show that "virtually no one liked the crew or cast" of Andromeda.
You're pulling numbers out of your ass on that because such data does not exist. You simply cannot account for the millions of people who bought the game and have not posted anything about their opinions on it. Even among the very minor minority who have, there are numbers who have said they liked certain members of the cast and crew of Andromeda. "Virtually no one' is your exaggeration pulled out of your butt to support your own opinions. The only people that have any sort of accurate view on how individual characters of the game were receives IS Bioware... and even their data is probably somewhat sketchy.
Exactly I agree plus the next move is Bioware's anyway if they feel they don't want to continue with Ryder or Andromeda as it is and make a different story then thast's their call but I will say this if they take a new direction and I don't like it then it's likely I won't buy it and that will be mine. I liked MEA' s story so I think if there is a future for Andromeda they should build on what they started because I think there is a fanbase ther tha tcan be tapped into and if fthey can do that successfully it will grow just like the fanbase for the trilogy did. Personally I pretty much liked all the charactres the only one I kind of semi disliked is really Peebee which is probably part of the reason why I haven't managed to romance her yet as I have yet to come up with a Ryder that I think will suit her. I liked the rest of the crew as Drack in some ways kind of reminds me of my grandad in some ways as my grandad fought in World War 2 so like Drack knew what fighting a war was like. It felt good establishing contact with the Angara and Jaal and makin ghim a member of the team. Vetra kind of feels a bit like an older sister kind of character a lo tlike Garrus though in Garrus's case more likie a brother, and whilst Liam was the jerk of the crew he at least tried to get the best for everyone. Also whilst Cora did have a bit of a hero worship for Asari. I think she learned a lot from them that inspired her to be who she is to thin kabout the future and how we can do better and not the past mistakes we may or may not have made. I als ohave to admit I enjoyed all their loyalty missions as well even Peebee's. Liam's and Drack's aer probably my favourite ones but I enjoy all of them. Looking forward to playing them again in fact once I'm done with ME3 along with the rest of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 19:16:54 GMT
Or maybe they're just more people who liked Andromeda than you think. That is a hollow and irrelevant statement. If out of the 3 million copies this game sold to people, I expected 90% to dislike it, but it was in fact only 80%, that means six hundred thousand people enjoyed it. If that's the amount of people to return for the sequel, that's Planescape: Torment numbers. The point is that enough people were already alienated by Mass Effect 3 and Andromeda, by receiving a worse reception than any OT game so far and a worse aftermath than any other Mass Effect game so far, alienated even more, to effectively put the franchise on ice. No other game in the franchise managed to do that. So demonstrably, whether it is more than I think, it is clearly less than it needs. ... and the bolded above is a statement totally not supported by the data. Of the USER ratings given on Metacritic, 38-42% of them were positive (above 70%). The averaged user rating of 4.9 to 5.0 also does not support a statement that suggests 90% disliked the game. You're pulling exaggerated numbers out of your own arse again... which makes smilesja statement more evident as being absolutely true... More people liked Andromeda than you think... about 30% more people to be more specific.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 13, 2019 21:54:54 GMT
This thread needs about 90% less hyperbole. (And yes, I did just pull that figure out of my ass.)
Having said that, the proposition that Ryder & Co. are relatively unpopular and should not return doesn't strike me as inherently unreasonable. Although I think the characters are taking hits which rightly belong to Andromeda's general tone, it's not clear that matters.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 13, 2019 21:55:37 GMT
It may have been the idea. But, unlike TNG virtually no one liked the crew or cast of characters. Even the first season of TNG people liked the crew, but the stories were shaky. People liked it enough to get a season 2 which is where it could take off. People didn't like MEA enough to even get the planned DLC.
A mass effect with Shepard isn't my top pick or even in my top 3 picks of where I want the series to go, but it would sell better than MEA2 where they just pick up with the crew where they left off.
They effectively need to reboot MEA in order to continue with it and get the sales they will want.
Please cite factual and documented data that show that "virtually no one liked the crew or cast" of Andromeda.
You're pulling numbers out of your ass on that because such data does not exist. You simply cannot account for the millions of people who bought the game and have not posted anything about their opinions on it. Even among the very minor minority who have, there are numbers who have said they liked certain members of the cast and crew of Andromeda. "Virtually no one' is your exaggeration pulled out of your butt to support your own opinions. The only people that have any sort of accurate view on how individual characters of the game were received IS Bioware... and even their data is probably somewhat sketchy.
There is a big difference between Star Trek fans who were reticent about TNG and MET "fans" in that the Star Trek fans were never lobbying for the studio to go back and "fix" the original Star Trek... which has been a major driving point of these discussions about the OT for the past 8 years... and more, since some were even unhappy about the writing changes made during ME2. Spritually, the OT failed on its own and failed before Androemda was released.
Hey go ahead and head in the sand the games and characters reception all you want. Virtually no one isn't my exaggeration, its representative of the commentary from people who played the game. Spiritually the OT failed so hard that people actually liked the games, even if they hated the ending they liked all the games, until MEA. You can keep ignoring that, bioware probably wont.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 13, 2019 22:03:50 GMT
This thread needs about 90% less hyperbole. (And yes, I did just pull that figure out of my ass.) Having said that, the proposition that Ryder & Co. are relatively unpopular and should not return doesn't strike me as inherently unreasonable. Although I think the characters are taking hits which rightly belong to Andromeda's general tone, it's not clear that matters.
To say virtually no one liked the characters, I don't really consider it hyperbole. Even among people who like the game its rarely the characters that are the draw in MEA, and less than 1/2 the people even liked the game. To me that is virtually no one, when we are talking AAA games. If you want to sell 9 millionish copies and only a million of your previous were happy with the characters, I put that in the virtually no one category. Is it a estimate sure, but its not like team upagain ever uses evidence either. But they sold probably 3-4 million copies, 1/2 of the people rated the game very poorly, of the 1/2 that liked it, the praise is usually more towards game play than the characters. So I don't think 1 million people is a far off estimate. And that, on the scale of AAA games is virtually no one IMO. Maybe none of that is representative, that its just a vocal minority. Always possible, but its not like Bioware has much more if any more to go on either.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 13, 2019 22:08:29 GMT
As a former copyeditor, that use of language wouldn't have got past my desk. That just isn't what those words mean.
But whatever. We should talk about what people mean rather than what they say, as long as we can actually tell what the former is.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 13, 2019 22:34:13 GMT
Come on now. You're just throwing around wild comparisons and unfounded predictions and pretend it's fact. Unless you're psychic you don't know what's gonna happen any more than the rest of us. Your logic is not nearly as convincing as you think. Trying to bully others into submission doesn't make your opinion any more valid. It's just tiresome at this point tbh. Listen, my personal prediction is that Bioware is going to fuck up DA4 too twisting it into the GaaS mold, and this might be finally it for them. I don't believe they'll capture a new audience fast enough for EA to be satisfied with the sales numbers. Nor do I believe they can return to the quality of their glory days even if they tried to replicate the tone of the OT. But that's beside the point actually. Plenty of fans of the trilogy do NOT want Shepard to return. Same goes for my real life friends. So there's certainly something to it. Plenty of people want MEA2. The actual percentage is everyone's guess. So don't pretend you know the numbers. FO76 gets so much hate on reddit and yet the game is making good money and lots of people bought private servers despite the colossal outcry. You can tell by the icon those users can activate for everyone to see. And 1 or 2 people per server use it are the reports from people who checked the actual game. And that's not even accounting for those who are afraid to out themselves because of spiteful griefers. So the game is far from dead despite everyone claiming it is. The vocal minority is a poor meter for how profitable and/or popular a game really is. See? I can find comparisons that support my point of view too! It's really easy to do too. So my tentative conclusion from feedback on Mass Effect's future is that people just want a good Mass Effect game that tells a new fresh story. The haters don't believe that's gonna happen. Others thought MEA was exactly that and would be happy to continue in Andromeda. So hmmmm... Should they have another go at it right now? No. They need DA4 to be really good. DA4 cannot fail. But if it succeeds people will be more willing to give another Mass Effect game a chance. And it might as well be MEA2 for those who don't hate Bioware already, provided it's not another buggy mess of course. And that's also just my impression and I could be wrong. Maybe we'll find out in ten years if Bioware is still around by then. But can we please stop pretending we're experts on business decisions? It's ridiculous. All we can do is decide for ourselves which of these decisions please us and when to cut our losses and find a better source of entertainment. I'm not at all interested in MEA2 right now. But I'm also not interested in a lot of games that are really popular. And I cannot for the life of me understand why. I believe if there is a future for Bioware its not with people who are still mad about ME3. Because there is NO solution. *shrugs* Disagree all you want. It really doesn't matter what either of us thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 22:40:39 GMT
Please cite factual and documented data that show that "virtually no one liked the crew or cast" of Andromeda.
You're pulling numbers out of your ass on that because such data does not exist. You simply cannot account for the millions of people who bought the game and have not posted anything about their opinions on it. Even among the very minor minority who have, there are numbers who have said they liked certain members of the cast and crew of Andromeda. "Virtually no one' is your exaggeration pulled out of your butt to support your own opinions. The only people that have any sort of accurate view on how individual characters of the game were received IS Bioware... and even their data is probably somewhat sketchy.
There is a big difference between Star Trek fans who were reticent about TNG and MET "fans" in that the Star Trek fans were never lobbying for the studio to go back and "fix" the original Star Trek... which has been a major driving point of these discussions about the OT for the past 8 years... and more, since some were even unhappy about the writing changes made during ME2. Spritually, the OT failed on its own and failed before Androemda was released.
Hey go ahead and head in the sand the games and characters reception all you want. Virtually no one isn't my exaggeration, its representative of the commentary from people who played the game. Spiritually the OT failed so hard that people actually liked the games, even if they hated the ending they liked all the games, until MEA. You can keep ignoring that, bioware probably wont.
ME3 User Ratings on Metacritic average 5.7 vs. Andromeda's 4.9. If one bothers to apply the same standard, ME3 FAILED. You can head in the sand all you want about it. There are ratings there that are critical of ME3 for more than just the endings. There are 38% of Andromeda ratings that gave that game a postive review and several of those ratings mention the characters as a positive. YOU"RE the one ignoring the data, not me. I'm not saying "everyone liked the game" or "everyone liked the characters." I"m not engaging in the hyperbole here... you are; and that weakens your arguments rather than strengthens them... and one would question Why it is YOU FEEL you have to resort to such hyperbole to make your argument in the first place.
When push comes to shove, people here on the OT side of the fence keep admitting that they want the OT "fixed"... the endings "fixed"... not just a sequel that allows for all the endings to exist as they do now to go forward. That tells me that they are making the demand on Bioware out of dissatisfaction with the OT, not satisfaction.
I'm doing nothing wrong by stating that I personally liked Andromeda and was well satisfied with it. I am amenable to improvements going FORWARD... even with a new PC... but I feel the story should be driven forward... not "fixed" by going backward. There are enough threads of a good story to pick up in a NEW game that moves the timeline forward. The past is done. Shepard's story is done (and was ended poorly... but done nonetheless). The Andromeda story has open threads that could lead to a number of different interesting tales... and even ultimately return us to the Milky Way... a Milky Way that will have advanced by at least 600 years of evolution. I see nothing wrong with going forward into the great unknown future rather than getting locked into a "past" in the Milky Way that was already messed up in a number of different ways.
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Post by Serza on Nov 13, 2019 22:44:16 GMT
I dunno, folks, but if something is supposed to be a generally accepted fact, I would expect to see a lot of it.
If I don't see much of it, it's easy to think you're pulling things out of your butt.
Anyway, we heard SOMETHING on N7 day, pretty sure the thread fulfilled it's reason to exist at that very moment.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2019 22:50:50 GMT
... and the bolded above is a statement totally not supported by the data. Of the USER ratings given on Metacritic, 38-42% of them were positive (above 70%). The averaged user rating of 4.9 to 5.0 also does not support a statement that suggests 90% disliked the game. You're pulling exaggerated numbers out of your own arse again... which makes smilesja statement more evident as being absolutely true... More people liked Andromeda than you think... about 30% more people to be more specific. Well, I gotta tell you, I did not think to look up Metacritic for a conclusion of the percentage of people that liked Andromeda. I was speaking in hypotheticals. As hypothetical was the question posed to me. But, if you really want to talk about percentages, people are largely less inclined to give negative reviews, compared to positive. So the positive reviews number is heavily skewed in their favour. Which means if you got a 10% of the people that bought the game and liked it to write a review, which amounts to say ~40% positive, you only got ~3% of people who disliked it to write a review. So you'd have to roughly triple the amount of negative reviews people left to get a more accurate sample of the like to dislike ratio of users, through review scores. Which should bring your positive review rating to that hypothetical ~20%. I was right all along and I didn't even know it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2019 22:51:03 GMT
Jeez. I said you had nothing, but I didn't expect you to just admit it. -I'm going to make a franchise. I'll call it Dark Sun -Does it have a Dark Sun? -No, it's bright green. It might have been Dark once. -Then why did you name it Dark Sun? Why not Green Sun? -It sounded cool at the time. -So Dark Sun has no meaning in the setting. -Exactly. -You setting doesn't sound very smart -It was my artistic vision to make it sound dumb, thanks. This is the argument you are making. I'm going to make something dumb, because I want to. It's not that you can't, but you generally shouldn't.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2019 23:07:47 GMT
But, if you really want to talk about percentages, people are largely less inclined to give negative reviews, compared to positive.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2019 23:36:54 GMT
Come on now. You're just throwing around wild comparisons and unfounded predictions and pretend it's fact. Unless you're psychic you don't know what's gonna happen any more than the rest of us. Your logic is not nearly as convincing as you think. Trying to bully others into submission doesn't make your opinion any more valid. It's just tiresome at this point tbh. Listen, my personal prediction is that Bioware is going to fuck up DA4 too twisting it into the GaaS mold, and this might be finally it for them. I don't believe they'll capture a new audience fast enough for EA to be satisfied with the sales numbers. Nor do I believe they can return to the quality of their glory days even if they tried to replicate the tone of the OT. But that's beside the point actually. Plenty of fans of the trilogy do NOT want Shepard to return. Same goes for my real life friends. So there's certainly something to it. Plenty of people want MEA2. The actual percentage is everyone's guess. So don't pretend you know the numbers. FO76 gets so much hate on reddit and yet the game is making good money and lots of people bought private servers despite the colossal outcry. You can tell by the icon those users can activate for everyone to see. And 1 or 2 people per server use it are the reports from people who checked the actual game. And that's not even accounting for those who are afraid to out themselves because of spiteful griefers. So the game is far from dead despite everyone claiming it is. The vocal minority is a poor meter for how profitable and/or popular a game really is. See? I can find comparisons that support my point of view too! It's really easy to do too. So my tentative conclusion from feedback on Mass Effect's future is that people just want a good Mass Effect game that tells a new fresh story. The haters don't believe that's gonna happen. Others thought MEA was exactly that and would be happy to continue in Andromeda. So hmmmm... Should they have another go at it right now? No. They need DA4 to be really good. DA4 cannot fail. But if it succeeds people will be more willing to give another Mass Effect game a chance. And it might as well be MEA2 for those who don't hate Bioware already, provided it's not another buggy mess of course. And that's also just my impression and I could be wrong. Maybe we'll find out in ten years if Bioware is still around by then. But can we please stop pretending we're experts on business decisions? It's ridiculous. All we can do is decide for ourselves which of these decisions please us and when to cut our losses and find a better source of entertainment. I'm not at all interested in MEA2 right now. But I'm also not interested in a lot of games that are really popular. And I cannot for the life of me understand why. I believe if there is a future for Bioware its not with people who are still mad about ME3. Because there is NO solution. *shrugs* Disagree all you want. It really doesn't matter what either of us thinks. I don't want to be antagonistic, but here are some facts.
- The franchise was put on ice. What does that mean? As Terminator: Dark Fate showed us; the title flopped, it got a bad reception by the fans and it was considered a catastrophic failure by the distributor. So much so, that it requires a re-invention of the iteration, if it is to go forward. MEA2 will be as related to MEA as The Last Jedi is to The Ewok Adventure. Nothing is carrying over. Nothing.
- Setting/franchise relevance. You can't time skip too far in the future. Thanks to the glorious direction of our great visionary, Mac Walter, al hail Mac, Mass Effect technology is in danger of becoming obsolete. Since we're so remote from the Milky Way, we'll need new ways to do things, things that Mass Effect technology, through its prevalence, did for us, everywhere. Through the grace of its own absence, Mass Effect technology will become irrelevant and obsolete in Andromeda, at the very least, probably the Milky Way as well.
So this instantly limits us in two ways: chronologically and canonically. Either you decanonize Andromeda and remake it from scratch, at which point there is nothing keeping you invested in the timeline, as none of your questions or efforts matter, or you set MEA2 too far in the future and make the entire premise of the setting (Mass Effect technology) irrelevant, while sweeping Andromeda 1 under the rug and getting a codex entry for your troubles. None of these two options seem particularly enticing, let alone rewarding.
That's the options available to Andromeda. This is not me setting the rules, this is the industry and its definition of "icing" a franchise. There's no circumventing this.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2019 23:39:25 GMT
But, if you really want to talk about percentages, people are largely less inclined to give negative reviews, compared to positive. This is fact. Unsatisfied customers will simply stop doing business, they don't leave bad reviews. I've made several citations of that in the past. Unless you want to make a case for review bombing. I don't know why Russian bots would attack Andromeda, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 23:47:17 GMT
... and the bolded above is a statement totally not supported by the data. Of the USER ratings given on Metacritic, 38-42% of them were positive (above 70%). The averaged user rating of 4.9 to 5.0 also does not support a statement that suggests 90% disliked the game. You're pulling exaggerated numbers out of your own arse again... which makes smilesja statement more evident as being absolutely true... More people liked Andromeda than you think... about 30% more people to be more specific. Well, I gotta tell you, I did not think to look up Metacritic for a conclusion of the percentage of people that liked Andromeda. I was speaking in hypotheticals. As hypothetical was the question posed to me. But, if you really want to talk about percentages, people are largely less inclined to give negative reviews, compared to positive. So the positive reviews number is heavily skewed in their favour. Which means if you got a 10% of the people that bought the game and liked it to write a review, which amounts to say ~40% positive, you only got ~3% of people who disliked it to write a review. So you'd have to roughly triple the amount of negative reviews people left to get a more accurate sample of the like to dislike ratio of users, through review scores. Which should bring your positive review rating to that hypothetical ~20%. I was right all along and I didn't even know it. You've made a bunch more 'out or arse" assertions there. Please cite data that supports them statistically?
ETA: Not a mere assertion that you've cited things in the past - which is vague. Show me data that shows that X percentage (over 30% of people who are dissatisfied with a product will bother to make a positive review of that product... otherwise, you statement about expecting 90% to have disliked Andromeda is a total "out of arse" statement that does not even warrant the benefit of being called a "hypothetical."
Again, one has ot wonder why it is you and others so against Andromeda feel they have to resort to such exaggerations to make their arguments. Such esaggerations weaken your arguments... they don't strengthen them or make them more convincing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2019 23:53:19 GMT
You've made a bunch more 'out or arse" assertions there. Please cite data that supports them statistically? I've made citations to that statistic many times before. Why do I have to be questioned every time and prove the same things again and again? Is this an elaborate plan to drive me to insanity?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 23:57:14 GMT
You've made a bunch more 'out or arse" assertions there. Please cite data that supports them statistically? I've made citations to that statistic many times before. Why do I have to be questioned every time and prove the same things again and again? Is this an elaborate plan to drive me to insanity? Humor me... cite the data... a credible study... not Pewdiepie.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 14, 2019 0:10:44 GMT
I've made citations to that statistic many times before. Why do I have to be questioned every time and prove the same things again and again? Is this an elaborate plan to drive me to insanity? Humor me... cite the data... a credible study... not Pewdiepie.
"Overall, 34 percent of consumers say they are likely to leave a negative review after a bad experience in 2018"
Which means only 1/3 is likely to leave a negative review, after a bad experience. First result in Google search for "less likely to leave a review", thank you very much.
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