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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 15:44:59 GMT
As much as I'd like the lack of further bastardization of the Milky Way any more than we've already got, Andromeda was so devastatingly bad for the franchise, it was put on ice. That means that, from a financial standpoint, an Andromeda 2 is a no go. Whether you, personally, consider it not a failure is irrelevant, because as demonstrated by a recent example, there is no way forward for a certain iteration, after being put on ice. If we do get a sequel to Andromeda, it will be unrecognizable to the Andromeda we originally got. This leaves no room for interpretation. The Andromeda 2 that the people here want and on Twitter, as a direct sequel to Ryder's story, is irreconcilably lost, due to the original's reception. If this weren't true, I can assure you, I would guarantee you, Andromeda 2 would already be in the making.
I don't follow the reasoning here. Even if Ryder and co. aren't coming back, it doesn't rule out a direct sequel to ME:A. Bump the timeline up a century or two, and most of them are dead anyway. It looks like you're assuming a preference order something like MEA2 with Ryder > ME5 in the MW > ME5 in Andromeda with somebody else, but I don't think that's actually the case for many people who rank continuing in Andromeda over going back to the MW. I suppose we could poll it, although I'm not sure the polling system on this board is robust enough to handle it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 8, 2019 15:58:46 GMT
"To anyone curious, the majority of replies to Mike Gamble's tweet-question heavily favour Andromeda as the next game's setting."
Works for me.
I have very little desire to return to the Milky Way Galaxy with Shepard and company with prequels and/or side stories should be used in novels and comics not work in an action RPG video game. Those kind of stories are better suited to novels and comics.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2019 16:03:21 GMT
Can someone post the numbers showing people wanting Andromeda for the next game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 16:05:18 GMT
I don't follow the reasoning here. Even if Ryder and co. aren't coming back, it doesn't rule out a direct sequel to ME:A. Bump the timeline up a century or two, and most of them are dead anyway Well, that's not very direct. I mean, Secret of Mana is a sequel to Sword of Mana, but I wouldn't consider it direct in any form. Technically, Andromeda, in that way of thinking, is a direct sequel to ME1. It looks like you're assuming a preference order something like MEA2 with Ryder > ME5 in the MW > ME5 in Andromeda with somebody else, but I don't think that's actually the case for many people who rank continuing in Andromeda over going back to the MW What? I'm sorry, I don't understand what any of this means. I suppose we could poll it, although I'm not sure the polling system on this board is robust enough to handle it. Poll what? Whether Mass Effect was put on ice because of Andromeda or not? For a franchise to be put on ice, that is considered a catastrophic failure and that the franchise, in its current form, is irrevocably damaged and unsalvageable. That's it. There is no further definition left to be derived from that. The franchise needs to be reworked in a fundamental way, going forward. The most likely approach left for Mass Effect at this point is literally "Anthem with Biotics".
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 16:13:17 GMT
How do you know that? I mean, it's possible, but what's that statement based on? There's nothing else being worked on. Bioware already has its hands full working to relaunch Anthem and with Dragon Age. If a new IP is to be developed, it's going to go in a conceptual stage in a year from now, which is even more behind than what state the next Mass Effect is right now. It's not impossible, it might even take precedence over the next Mass Effect, but the probability of is highly unlikely to be the case. They will literally need a working form basis to be handed to them. Think Anthem being showed off to Soderlund state equivalent.
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Post by roivas on Nov 8, 2019 16:24:13 GMT
"To anyone curious, the majority of replies to Mike Gamble's tweet-question heavily favour Andromeda as the next game's setting." God please no, I really don't want to have to play ME:A again for a sequel :/
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 16:28:54 GMT
"To anyone curious, the majority of replies to Mike Gamble's tweet-question heavily favour Andromeda as the next game's setting." Not exactly surprising. Every time we poll that here we get the same answer too, and there's no known reason ME fans on Twitter will be different from ME fans here. The case for going back to the MW has been about the casuals ever since it became clear to Shepard fans that they were in the minority among ME fans.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 16:33:03 GMT
How do you know that? I mean, it's possible, but what's that statement based on? There's nothing else being worked on. Bioware already has its hands full working to relaunch Anthem and with Dragon Age. If a new IP is to be developed, it's going to go in a conceptual stage in a year from now, which is even more behind than what state the next Mass Effect is right now. It's not impossible, it might even take precedence over the next Mass Effect, but the probability of is highly unlikely to be the case. They will literally need a working form basis to be handed to them. Think Anthem being showed off to Soderlund state equivalent. That's actually a bit more optimistic about the state of the next ME than I am. Granting that assumption, it makes sense.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 16:41:42 GMT
Well, that's not very direct. I mean, Secret of Mana is a sequel to Sword of Mana, but I wouldn't consider it direct in any form. Technically, Andromeda, in that way of thinking, is a direct sequel to ME1. OK. What about, say, the relationship between DA games? I take it that DA2 is not a "direct sequel" to DA:O, and DAI isn't one to its predecessors either? I can work with that definition of direct sequel, but it doesn't say much about which setting to use. You don't understand the concept of preference orders? I can walk you through it if you like, but what it means is that you're putting too much importance on whether or not Ryder shows up in ME5. The case for staying in Andromeda isn't about that. You're trying to make it about that because you don't want the series to stay in Andromeda, but the argument can't work.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 16:46:52 GMT
The case for going back to the MW has been about the casuals ever since it became clear to Shepard fans that they were in the minority among ME fans. Objection, unquantifiable. Not to mention demonstrably wrong.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 16:57:26 GMT
You don't understand the concept of preference orders? Why are we talking preference? Who brought preference into the discussion? We were talking "direct" sequels, just a sentence ago, in your original post. What does preference have to do with anything? I can walk you through it if you like, but what it means is that you're putting too much importance on whether or not Ryder shows up in ME5. The case for staying in Andromeda isn't about that. You're trying to make it about that because you don't want the series to stay in Andromeda, but the argument can't work. Let me try this once again; everything that happened in Andromeda, since that put the franchise in ice (I am going to use "in ice" a lot, so bear with me on that), is gone. Angara? Gone. Kett? Gone. Nexus? Gone. It's all gone. If we go back to Andromeda, expect a major rework to the setting, an unrecognizable rework. To put it bluntly; everything you thought and loved about Andromeda is irrevocably, irreconcilably gone. If we get a sequel, it'd be more fitting to call it Undomeda.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 17:09:40 GMT
OK. What about, say, the relationship between DA games? I take it that DA2 is not a "direct sequel" to DA:O, and DAI isn't one to its predecessors either? No more than Hobbs and Shaw being a sequel to Fast and Furious ... 8? 9? What number are we at now?
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 8, 2019 17:09:58 GMT
Can someone post the numbers showing people wanting Andromeda for the next game. Want doesnt matter. It's EA that does. And Andy wants to sell to 12-year-olds. Which means that softly laundered Andromeda will serve better for pre-puberty target group.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2019 17:16:29 GMT
What else have they got? After Dragon Age? Are they gonna make Anthem 2? There's no new IP in the works. How do you know that? I mean, it's possible, but what's that statement based on? If there was another IP in the works, they have mentioned it by now, to keep fan interest. I mean, how long was "third IP" dangled in front of us before Anthem got revealed?
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 17:18:03 GMT
I don't know. Have you a date handy?
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 17:19:01 GMT
Can someone post the numbers showing people wanting Andromeda for the next game. Want doesnt matter. It's EA that does. And Andy wants to sell to 12-year-olds. Which means that softly laundered Andromeda will serve better for pre-puberty target group. I don't follow the argument here. What does one have to do with the other?
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 17:19:52 GMT
You don't understand the concept of preference orders? Why are we talking preference? Who brought preference into the discussion? We were talking "direct" sequels, just a sentence ago, in your original post. What does preference have to do with anything? I can walk you through it if you like, but what it means is that you're putting too much importance on whether or not Ryder shows up in ME5. The case for staying in Andromeda isn't about that. You're trying to make it about that because you don't want the series to stay in Andromeda, but the argument can't work. Let me try this once again; everything that happened in Andromeda, since that put the franchise in ice (I am going to use "in ice" a lot, so bear with me on that), is gone. Angara? Gone. Kett? Gone. Nexus? Gone. It's all gone. If we go back to Andromeda, expect a major rework to the setting, an unrecognizable rework. To put it bluntly; everything you thought and loved about Andromeda is irrevocably, irreconcilably gone. If we get a sequel, it'd be more fitting to call it Undomeda. I didn't realize you were saying something that craxy. Why would those things be gone?
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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2019 17:21:51 GMT
Can someone post the numbers showing people wanting Andromeda for the next game. Want doesnt matter. It's EA that does. And Andy wants to sell to 12-year-olds. Which means that softly laundered Andromeda will serve better for pre-puberty target group. I know. If the numbers are the same place I just looked at, it appears that more want a remastered trilogy than Andromeda
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 17:38:14 GMT
I didn't realize you were saying something that craxy. Why would those things be gone? As EA estimates it, the franchise had a catastrophic failure. Meaning that everything that Andromeda did is unsalvageable. There is no way going forward with that iteration, as it were produced. How do we know that? Because ME was put on ice. Why does that matter? Because we know what being "on ice" means. It doesn't mean the franchise won't be back, but it will be unrecognizable to its latest iteration. Maybe they will chose to skip everything that would have happened in the Andromeda 1-3 trilogy and go on from there, a hundred to a thousand years in the future, but the technological gap that presents itself in such a case, is going to make Mass Effect a very, very different setting.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 18:10:40 GMT
Want doesnt matter. It's EA that does. And Andy wants to sell to 12-year-olds. Which means that softly laundered Andromeda will serve better for pre-puberty target group. I know. If the numbers are the same place I just looked at, it appears that more want a remastered trilogy than Andromeda Although those things aren't mutually exclusive. The remaster is more of a low-cost low-reward side project. It wouldn't take up a slot for a full game release.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2019 18:12:32 GMT
I don't know. Have you a date handy? E3 2014 is when it was first "officially" announced there was a third IP: It was an open secret before that, though I don't have a specific date when it was leaked.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 18:14:23 GMT
I didn't realize you were saying something that craxy. Why would those things be gone? As EA estimates it, the franchise had a catastrophic failure. Meaning that everything that Andromeda did is unsalvageable. There is no way going forward with that iteration, as it were produced. How do we know that? Because ME was put on ice. Why does that matter? Because we know what being "on ice" means. It doesn't mean the franchise won't be back, but it will be unrecognizable to its latest iteration. Maybe they will chose to skip everything that would have happened in the Andromeda 1-3 trilogy and go on from there, a hundred to a thousand years in the future, but the technological gap that presents itself in such a case, is going to make Mass Effect a very, very different setting. Your conclusions don't actually follow. Mostly because they're vague blather. Define "unrecognizable." Define "technological gap."
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2019 18:16:17 GMT
As EA estimates it, the franchise had a catastrophic failure. Meaning that everything that Andromeda did is unsalvageable. There is no way going forward with that iteration, as it were produced. How do we know that? Because ME was put on ice. Why does that matter? Because we know what being "on ice" means. It doesn't mean the franchise won't be back, but it will be unrecognizable to its latest iteration. Maybe they will chose to skip everything that would have happened in the Andromeda 1-3 trilogy and go on from there, a hundred to a thousand years in the future, but the technological gap that presents itself in such a case, is going to make Mass Effect a very, very different setting. Your conclusions don't actually follow. Mostly because they're vague blather. Define "unrecognizable." Define "technological gap." Stop feeding the troll.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 18:17:19 GMT
I don't know. Have you a date handy? E3 2014 is when it was first "officially" announced there was a third IP: It was an open secret before that, though I don't have a specific date when it was leaked. OK. So, five years between announcement and release? When are we thinking a hypothetical new IP game could come out? 2025? But yeah, they'd likely have leaked something by now.
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Post by Phantom on Nov 8, 2019 18:17:32 GMT
Your conclusions don't actually follow. Mostly because they're vague blather. Define "unrecognizable." Define "technological gap." Stop feeding the troll. you are no fun....
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