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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 9, 2019 14:06:13 GMT
In the meantime, there might be a reamaster (not likely a remake, but a remaster of the OT done for the next gen consoles)... but I don't expect them to make sweeping changes to the OT's story in that process. The OT is what it is... like it or not.
Honestly I'm not sure I would buy a remaster of MET unless they make MAJOR changes to the gameplay and story to make it more fun like MEA. If it's just a graphical upgrade even if it's in the $20-$40 price range even then chances are it wouldn't be a day one purchase for me but more like "I'll get around to it eventually" type of purchase.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 14:20:07 GMT
In the meantime, there might be a reamaster (not likely a remake, but a remaster of the OT done for the next gen consoles)... but I don't expect them to make sweeping changes to the OT's story in that process. The OT is what it is... like it or not.
Honestly I'm not sure I would buy a remaster of MET unless they make MAJOR changes to the gameplay and story to make it more fun like MEA. If it's just a graphical upgrade even if it's in the $20-$40 price range even then chances are it wouldn't be a day one purchase for me but more like "I'll get around to it eventually" type of purchase.
I probably would in that I can't currently buy the OT in a digital format for the Xbox One, so if my discs fail, I'd have to stop playing it completely. I wouldn't expect a remaster to sell like a new game, but a graphical upgrade really wouldn't cost them a lot to produce and it would keep the game relevant on the next gen consoles.
With their smaller staff they have currently and the need to get DA4 absolutely right... and its release date set now at 2022, I can't really see them devoting the extra time and funds to doing what amounts to a complete remake of the OT... because if they update the combat, then Pandora's box is opened... and what their old fans really want is a total remake of the story... something that at least leads to a difference in the endings... and then it poses a high risk of not pleasing those fans anyways... because once they start tinkering with the story, Shepard becomes "not Shepard," the Reapers beocmes "not the Reapers we had before," etc.... all wrapped up with the suspiciousness and ill-will those old fans already feel towards "new Bioware."
Personally, I'd hate to see an OT remake released in 2025 or later... causing any truly new ME game to be put off until, what, 2030?
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Post by skekSil on Nov 9, 2019 14:35:55 GMT
What if they did Mass Effect Orange Box? OT Remastered (no gameplay or story changes, just make it relevant for current PCs and consoles) Andromeda (preferably fixed) Small storycentered Andromeda DLC Small Spin off game in ME universe (maybe made by indie dev) And maybe 1 month Origin Access subscription.
Market it as the ultimate remastered bundle with some additional goodies. Don't spend much resourses on spinoff and DLC, they should be small, not super ambitious, but polished. If people like DLC they'll know they can make MEA2, if people like spinoff they'll know that small scale stories that don't involve galaxy threatening aliens can work.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 9, 2019 14:48:30 GMT
What if they did Mass Effect Orange Box? OT Remastered (no gameplay or story changes, just make it relevant for current PCs and consoles) Andromeda (preferably fixed) Small storycentered Andromeda DLC Small Spin off game in ME universe (maybe made by indie dev) And maybe 1 month Origin Access subscription. Market it as the ultimate remastered bundle with some additional goodies. Don't spend much resourses on spinoff and DLC, they should be small, not super ambitious, but polished. If people like DLC they'll know they can make MEA2, if people like spinoff they'll know that small scale stories that don't involve galaxy threatening aliens can work. See this is kind of what I have been hoping would happen, although I always said Andromeda could use a 12 hour expansion over dlc. A few more bug fixes for the OT and proper controller support for PC maybe... I just don't see them using time on really reworking the first three, and I doubt they will. As for spinoffs included, maybe they could include the mobile games and we could play them on console and PC.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2019 15:42:06 GMT
And I would rather enjoy playing games and having fun from different gaming developers, rather than frantically following just one gaming developer. Okay? Most people who are fans of Bioware are fans of other developers as well. And yet, if someone says anything that isn't prise about BioWare and it's games, the insults start flying from them.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Nov 9, 2019 16:26:59 GMT
Irrelevant but michael gamble has updated his twitter status to project director. Given his question "where do you you want mass effect to go next", this seems interesting...
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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2019 16:32:59 GMT
So, they start into this next game with a smaller fan base. I don't see it as a reason for them to offend their ME:A fan base by trying to chase fans they no longer have. Those ex-fans are not going to come back just because Bioware slaps Shepard's name into the PC slot and they are not going to come back just because the next game is set in the Milky Way. They need to attract brand new fans AND keep those fans they do have right now. If they tweeted a question as to the preferred location of the next game and the answer came back as Andromeda, then they should run with a new game in Andromeda in order to keep that smaller fan base intact. However, they absolutely need to make it a great game. To do that, they need to make it project that absolute captures the imaginations of their STAFF first and foremost. All the rest of us can to is wait to see what happens... and take heart that at least the franchise itself is NOT DEAD, but it is very likely going to be a long wait.
In the meantime, there might be a reamaster (not likely a remake, but a remaster of the OT done for the next gen consoles)... but I don't expect them to make sweeping changes to the OT's story in that process. The OT is what it is... like it or not.
Those "fans" are forever stuck in 2010-2012. Not realizing franchises are going to always continue on to garner new fans. I doubt the Super Mario fans from the 80's are the same ones fuelling the modern day success of modern day Super Mario games. I don't think Bioware needs the same core of over 30 somethings that were there since 2007. That's 12 years ago, and clearly those "fans" that can't let go of what happened in 2012 AREN'T actually fans anymore. Just resentful customers. I actually jumped into ME around 2015. And I too as well have been seeing lots of recent fans saying Bioware just continue with Andromeda. All Bioware needs is a smash hit with Andromeda 2, attached to an under-30 demographic to relive that late 2000s level of success and acclaim. Franchises can always reinvent themselves, despite whatever fanatics think. They're sometimes too big to fail. I bet a lot of people thought Star Wars as a franchise would fail after the prequel trilogy. Mass Effect as an IP is simply too unique and too profitable and too iconic to just wither away. Even in a case where Bioware shuts down, another studio can always carry the legacy. Look at Telltale Games shutting down and less than a year later get bought up again, simply because its creative assets are too profitable and unique to go to waste. And who are you to define what a "real" fan is?
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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2019 16:34:11 GMT
Okay? Most people who are fans of Bioware are fans of other developers as well. And yet, if someone says anything that isn't prise about BioWare and it's games, the insults start flying from them. Especially if CDPR gets mentioned. Then the knives REALLY come out.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2019 16:43:05 GMT
And yet, if someone says anything that isn't prise about BioWare and it's games, the insults start flying from them. Especially if CDPR gets mentioned. Then the knives REALLY come out. LOL. Blunt knifes, dripping with acid!
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 9, 2019 17:27:05 GMT
In the meantime, there might be a reamaster (not likely a remake, but a remaster of the OT done for the next gen consoles)... but I don't expect them to make sweeping changes to the OT's story in that process. The OT is what it is... like it or not.
Honestly I'm not sure I would buy a remaster of MET unless they make MAJOR changes to the gameplay and story to make it more fun like MEA. If it's just a graphical upgrade even if it's in the $20-$40 price range even then chances are it wouldn't be a day one purchase for me but more like "I'll get around to it eventually" type of purchase.
This might actually be the easier route. They've already got all the powers and such built in Frostbite.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:32:51 GMT
Those "fans" are forever stuck in 2010-2012. Not realizing franchises are going to always continue on to garner new fans. I doubt the Super Mario fans from the 80's are the same ones fuelling the modern day success of modern day Super Mario games. I don't think Bioware needs the same core of over 30 somethings that were there since 2007. That's 12 years ago, and clearly those "fans" that can't let go of what happened in 2012 AREN'T actually fans anymore. Just resentful customers. I actually jumped into ME around 2015. And I too as well have been seeing lots of recent fans saying Bioware just continue with Andromeda. All Bioware needs is a smash hit with Andromeda 2, attached to an under-30 demographic to relive that late 2000s level of success and acclaim. Franchises can always reinvent themselves, despite whatever fanatics think. They're sometimes too big to fail. I bet a lot of people thought Star Wars as a franchise would fail after the prequel trilogy. Definitions per Merriam-Webster (online):
Therefore, a fan is defined by a positive feeling... not the practice of heaping criticisms and belittling those who do have such positive feelings. I honestly feel that people who comes here and clearly say they don't like what Bioware has done in the last many (8+) years can't honestly say they are still a fan of the company.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:37:38 GMT
Honestly I'm not sure I would buy a remaster of MET unless they make MAJOR changes to the gameplay and story to make it more fun like MEA. If it's just a graphical upgrade even if it's in the $20-$40 price range even then chances are it wouldn't be a day one purchase for me but more like "I'll get around to it eventually" type of purchase.
This might actually be the easier route. They've already got all the powers and such built in Frostbite. However, the OT is not in Frostbite. Would they necessarily change the engine to Frostbite for a remaster though?
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Post by Serza on Nov 9, 2019 18:42:39 GMT
Okay? Most people who are fans of Bioware are fans of other developers as well. And yet, if someone says anything that isn't prise about BioWare and it's games, the insults start flying from them.
Except the significant amount of long time regulars I commonly see praising other games in the Other Games section.
Come on, at least give it some effort.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2019 19:32:14 GMT
And yet, if someone says anything that isn't prise about BioWare and it's games, the insults start flying from them.
Except the significant amount of long time regulars I commonly see praising other games in the Other Games section.
Come on, at least give it some effort.
Give what some effort?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 9, 2019 19:38:22 GMT
So, they start into this next game with a smaller fan base. I don't see it as a reason for them to offend their ME:A fan base by trying to chase fans they no longer have. Those ex-fans are not going to come back just because Bioware slaps Shepard's name into the PC slot and they are not going to come back just because the next game is set in the Milky Way.
I agree with this, sadly. Unless Bioware makes a surprise comeback with the exact same writing tone, art style and music choice as the trilogy I doubt my friends and I are going to be interested. But that's OK. Because I'm not one of those people who much cares about a bazillion romance options in games, which is the only thing left that Bioware offers that others don't do better these days imo.
So yeah, they should absolutely listen to the fans they still have. And if that's a new younger generation that likes the tone of MEA, then that's the way to go, I guess. As disappointing as that is to me personally, that's what they should do as a business.
There is too much bad blood with the old fanbase now. Bad blood dating back all the way to ME3. A bridge burned that cannot be rebuilt, I believe.
Bioware is not going to make the kind of Mass Effect game I want to see, namely little spin-off stories in the Milky Way, finally visiting all the home planets. Pirate crew, detective story. That sort of self contained story that is independent from the reaper storyline. Could be set any time until the reaper invasion. Anything really that fleshes out all the lore that's already there. No Shepard. God no... Character creator with a non-human option. And that's never going to happen because EA is about the lowest common denominator. And that's rehashing the typical grand hero story trope. Unless the IP gets outsourced for a spin-off like Fallout New Vegas, this is an eternal dream scenario.
So, good luck to Bioware and those who like their new direction. It's not one I care about. I'll remember them fondly for the good times. So I'm raising my glass belated to my dead friend. My lost love of easier times. It's not a bitter feeling to me. Just a bit sad.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 9, 2019 19:40:19 GMT
Okay? Most people who are fans of Bioware are fans of other developers as well. And yet, if someone says anything that isn't prise about BioWare and it's games, the insults start flying from them. Have you seen this place lately? I took a hiatus because I kept getting bagged on, threatened and insulted for liking games. It's strange how perspective differ huh
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Post by smilesja on Nov 9, 2019 19:41:31 GMT
And yet, if someone says anything that isn't prise about BioWare and it's games, the insults start flying from them. Especially if CDPR gets mentioned. Then the knives REALLY come out. Oh you mean CDPR fans who constantly say that The Witcher 3 is a flawless work. Again it goes both ways.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2019 19:44:23 GMT
So, they start into this next game with a smaller fan base. I don't see it as a reason for them to offend their ME:A fan base by trying to chase fans they no longer have. Those ex-fans are not going to come back just because Bioware slaps Shepard's name into the PC slot and they are not going to come back just because the next game is set in the Milky Way.
I agree with this, sadly. Unless Bioware makes a surprise comeback with the exact same writing tone, art style and music choice as the trilogy I doubt my friends and I are going to be interested. But that's OK. Because I'm not one of those people who much cares about a bazillion romance options in games, which is the only thing left that Bioware offers that others don't do better these days imo.
So yeah, they should absolutely listen to the fans they still have. And if that's a new younger generation that likes the tone of MEA, then that's the way to go, I guess. As disappointing as that is to me personally, that's what they should do as a business.
There is too much bad blood with the old fanbase now. Bad blood dating back all the way to ME3. A bridge burned that cannot be rebuilt, I believe.
Bioware is not going to make the kind of Mass Effect game I want to see, namely little spin-off stories in the Milky Way, finally visiting all the home planets. Pirate crew, detective story. That sort of self contained story that is independent from the reaper storyline. Could be set any time until the reaper invasion. Anything really that fleshes out all the lore that's already there. No Shepard. God no... Character creator with a non-human option. And that's never going to happen because EA is about the lowest common denominator. And that's rehashing the typical grand hero story trope. Unless the IP gets outsourced for a spin-off like Fallout New Vegas, this is an eternal dream scenario.
So, good luck to Bioware and those who like their new direction. It's not one I care about. I'll remember them fondly for the good times. So I'm raising my glass belated to my dead friend. My lost love of easier times. It's not a bitter feeling to me. Just a bit sad.
Could have been worse - ME3 could gone full on Fallout 76....
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2019 19:49:30 GMT
And yet, if someone says anything that isn't prise about BioWare and it's games, the insults start flying from them. Have you seen this place lately? I took a hiatus because I kept getting bagged on, threatened and insulted for liking games. It's strange how perspective differ huh Then ignore those people. There's always that option. Why not take it?
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Post by smilesja on Nov 9, 2019 20:01:10 GMT
Have you seen this place lately? I took a hiatus because I kept getting bagged on, threatened and insulted for liking games. It's strange how perspective differ huh Then ignore those people. There's always that option. Why not take it? Of course I do. Why not do the same as well?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2019 20:05:32 GMT
Then ignore those people. There's always that option. Why not take it? Of course I do. Why not do the same as well? I do that plenty. It just annoys me how those who complain about it when they take the bait. Because it's obvious what's going on.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 9, 2019 21:06:19 GMT
This might actually be the easier route. They've already got all the powers and such built in Frostbite. However, the OT is not in Frostbite. Would they necessarily change the engine to Frostbite for a remaster though? Good question. Depends on how much of a remaster we're talking about. And, I suppose, what UE licensing terms look like these days.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2019 21:24:07 GMT
Especially if CDPR gets mentioned. Then the knives REALLY come out. Oh you mean CDPR fans who constantly say that The Witcher 3 is a flawless work. Again it goes both ways. Citation needed. I don't even like the Witcher games and even I think you guys get all sorts of toxic about them.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2019 21:26:13 GMT
Oh you mean CDPR fans who constantly say that The Witcher 3 is a flawless work. Again it goes both ways. Citation needed. I don't even like the Witcher games and even I think you guys get all sorts of toxic about them. I don't mind them. Save for the inventory system.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 10, 2019 0:10:29 GMT
One month between mass effect 1 and 2 where you were hunting geth, though you can make the story more than that. 6 months between 2 and 3. Given mass effect 1 is a story that probably took a few weeks time in universe a month is a long time. All the games in the Shepard Trilogy took place over several months. And that six months between 2 and 3 are accounted for: Shepard was under house arrest. 3 years to be precise I believe as Shep was technically dead for 2 of them befoer Cerberus resurrected them. But yeah It's a gap of 6 months between the events of ME2 and ME3.
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