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Post by Iddy on Aug 1, 2019 13:23:13 GMT
As in the title.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 2, 2019 19:17:08 GMT
No one is going to risk a guess?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 2, 2019 20:11:32 GMT
I'm thinking no...
and even if they are "tolerated" as you say, any Tal-Vashoth or Vashoth are likely slaves
I seem to recall that if Dorian and Iron Bull are in a relationship, Bull never crosses the border into Tevinter to visit him, they always meet each other on the other side of Tevinter's border (likely somewhere in Nevarra or Orlais since that's next door) the only time he ever does is when Dorian is kidnapped, and once he's done making sure Dorian is safe, he returns back across the border
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Post by xerrai on Aug 3, 2019 15:11:38 GMT
I would imagine Vashoth/Tal-Vashoth "tolerance" in Tevinter would include either slavery or something close to it. At the very least they would be subject to extreme prejudice.
That being said, I don't think Qunari being in Tevinter are unheard of. In fact I think having a qunari slave is something of a bragging symbol for some Tevinter nobles. But I can't quite remember where I got that info from so don't quote me on that just yet.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 3, 2019 15:25:56 GMT
I would imagine Vashoth/Tal-Vashoth "tolerance" in Tevinter would include either slavery or something close to it. At the very least they would be subject to extreme prejudice. That being said, I don't think Qunari being in Tevinter are unheard of. In fact I think having a qunari slave is something of a bragging symbol for some Tevinter nobles. But I can't quite remember where I got that info from so don't quote me on that just yet. yeah, I thought one of the comics showed Tevinter Qunari buying slaves...turns out it was just fashion (at least I think so...not sure since the image itself is a bit unclear) I mean, the clothed ones could be either Qunari...or just very pale Tevinters emulating Qunari in their fashion
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Post by Doominike on Aug 4, 2019 14:42:27 GMT
I mean, Val Royeaux calls a Vashoth Inquisitor 'oxmen', 'pet' and refers to them as an It, but Iron Bull still has a good reputation as a mercenary in Orlais. So it's probably possible for a non-Qun qunari to be at least tolerated to a degree in Tevinter.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 4, 2019 19:05:45 GMT
On the subject of prejudice towards Qunari in Tevinter, Fenris mentions in a conversation that Danarius would sometimes make him wear a leash (like a Saarebas) "to mock Qunari custom" and I think WOT says something about Qunari slaves being in vogue?
That said, Dorian says that he has met some Tal-Vashoth mercenaries and merchants before, but we don't know that was in Tevinter or during his journey south? Of course, if they were in Tevinter, they might have been slaves and he purposely omitted that detail to avoid offending the Qunari Inquisitor.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 26, 2019 17:28:42 GMT
In addition to the above, there's this conversation:
Dorian: I'm surprised you never spent time in the Tevinter courts. They would adore you. Bull: I did. After a while, the saddle just got too heavy.
Considering humans routinely compare qunari to animals - someone calling Adaar a pet at the Winter Palace, the ox slur, putting a saddle on Bull, even Isabela compares Ketojan to a dog ("I bet all he wants is to go chasing after thrown sticks. And someone to rub his belly.") - I think qunari are 99% boned in Tevinter. That's why Bull mostly stays outside the border if he and Dorian are in a relationship.
Qunari are most likely assumed to be slaves, spies-disguised-as-slaves, or enemy combatants. But it wouldn't surprise me if there are exceptions who still face extraordinary amounts of racism - a defector Saarebas Tevinter nationalist, or a Liberati who ends up preferring Tevinter over the Qun, or something like that. And Dorian says that he's met Tal-Vashoth mercenaries and merchants before, but doesn't say if that was in/near Tevinter or on his travels.
I'm sure if we get to play a qunari protagonist, Tevinter characters will be forced to play nice with us on some level. Diplomatic immunity, or a glowing green whatsit, or being part of an organization like the Wardens (see: Orzammar not being able to do shit about a casteless or kinslaying Warden, Warden mages getting to wander around outside the tower, humans having to accept the authority of an elven Warden).
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Post by Blaze on Aug 28, 2019 5:56:40 GMT
tolerated by whom? the vints? probably not, my guess is that most of them can't tell the difference. they are most certainly not tolerated by the qunari. let's say the unlikely would happen and a tal-vashoth would manage to somehow become a citizen in tevinter, their life would be a living hell. with the mistrust toward the qunari due to the history and the current war between them, a tal-vashoth citizen would be ridiculed, beaten and the like.
so i doubt there's a single tal-vashoth and/or vasoth in tevinter that is not a slave.
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Post by Blaze on Aug 28, 2019 5:59:07 GMT
I'm sure if we get to play a qunari protagonist, Tevinter characters will be forced to play nice with us on some level. Diplomatic immunity, or a glowing green whatsit, or being part of an organization like the Wardens (see: Orzammar not being able to do shit about a casteless or kinslaying Warden, Warden mages getting to wander around outside the tower, humans having to accept the authority of an elven Warden). heh, would be fun if we are being treated the same way we are as an elven warden before people finding out you are a warden =D
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 28, 2019 16:09:29 GMT
I have no idea what Vashott are. Tall Vashott are the large mature ones I guess.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 28, 2019 16:13:47 GMT
I have no idea what Vashott are. Tall Vashott are the large mature ones I guess.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2019 14:07:18 GMT
I think generally they are not considered equals in Tevinter, but like in the real world there are individual exceptions,
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 4, 2019 15:44:42 GMT
Vashoth and Tal-Vashoth on the whole have it tough everywhere because of the Qun and the fact people regard all of the race as the same. However, considering the Qunari have never not been at war with Tevinter, I think it likely that anyone of the same race would be regarded with extreme suspicion as no one could be sure if they had genuinely left/been born outside the Qun or were faking it as spies. This would be equally true even of slaves, since it is a known strategy of the Qun to get their agents to sell themselves into slavery to further their cause. Whilst these are generally more likely to be elves or humans, why not qunari as well? There is a picture of a qunari (race) slave along with the entry on Tevinter in WoT.
I should imagine that having a qunari slave would be a considerable status symbol among the Altus. Not only would they look impressive but it would also imply you are confident of your power over them as well. I doubt there are any mages among them as these would probably be donated to the Circles for research purposes, so more likely bodyguards and other private soldiers.
No doubt qunari are also popular for use in quarries and other heavy manual work but not in the army because of the doubts over their loyalty.
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