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Post by Phantom on Oct 17, 2019 18:45:18 GMT
I do think the Rage will increase if Players were forced to kill Shepard themselves regardless if Shepard was indoctrinated or not. Extra Tearjerker points if Shepard was indoctrinated and begs the player to kill them.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 17, 2019 19:03:54 GMT
I do think the Rage will increase if Players were forced to kill Shepard themselves regardless if Shepard was indoctrinated or not. Extra Tearjerker points if Shepard was indoctrinated and begs the player to kill them. See ME3.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 17, 2019 19:10:08 GMT
I do think the Rage will increase if Players were forced to kill Shepard themselves regardless if Shepard was indoctrinated or not. Extra Tearjerker points if Shepard was indoctrinated and begs the player to kill them. See ME3. True with that part. Imagine the Fan backlash if they pull a similar situation with Shepard as they did with Revan that Player with a New Player Character had to kill Shepard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 16:17:42 GMT
Shepard is dead already. Or retired.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2019 16:42:13 GMT
A pity the players weren't allowed to let Shepard die or retire on their own terms...
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Post by themikefest on Oct 18, 2019 17:07:11 GMT
I do think the Rage will increase if Players were forced to kill Shepard themselves regardless if Shepard was indoctrinated or not. Extra Tearjerker points if Shepard was indoctrinated and begs the player to kill them. Since someone said ME3, I would add ME2 when Bioware forced the player to see Shepard killed at the beginning.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 18, 2019 17:11:01 GMT
Since someone said ME3, I would add ME2 when Bioware forced the player to see Shepard killed at the beginning. It was only a flesh wound ...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2019 17:19:39 GMT
A pity the players weren't allowed to let Shepard die or retire on their own terms... I was allowed to have them die on their own terms. Same with anyone else who chose Synthesis or Control really.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2019 17:34:20 GMT
A pity the players weren't allowed to let Shepard die or retire on their own terms... I was allowed to have them die on their own terms. Same with anyone else who chose Synthesis or Control really. Think of it this way: There's a lot of people who see ME3's ending as badly or worse than you think of the Trespasser ending for DAI.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2019 17:41:58 GMT
I was allowed to have them die on their own terms. Same with anyone else who chose Synthesis or Control really. Think of it this way: There's a lot of people who see ME3's ending as badly or worse than you think of the Trespasser ending for DAI. Not the best example since Trespasser is in a bit of a Schrodinger situation for me where depending on the next game my opinion of it will vary tremendously.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2019 18:22:50 GMT
Think of it this way: There's a lot of people who see ME3's ending as badly or worse than you think of the Trespasser ending for DAI. Not the best example since Trespasser is in a bit of a Schrodinger situation for me where depending on the next game my opinion of it will vary tremendously. Well, MEA didn't do a whole lot to alter one's opinion of ME3.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 18, 2019 18:37:15 GMT
Since someone said ME3, I would add ME2 when Bioware forced the player to see Shepard killed at the beginning. It was only a flesh wound ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 18:40:20 GMT
A pity the players weren't allowed to let Shepard die or retire on their own terms... Mine did. I retired after destroying the Reapers.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 18, 2019 20:03:01 GMT
Some people seem to be unable to interpret the final scenes that way, for reasons which still elude me.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2019 20:23:57 GMT
Some people seem to be unable to interpret the final scenes that way, for reasons which still elude me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 20:30:41 GMT
A pity the players weren't allowed to let Shepard die or retire on their own terms... Mine retired on his own terms... He took control of the Reapers, made them help repair the relays and the Citadel and then simply ordered them back to dark space and turned them off. He can come out of retirement, turn the Reapers back on, and use the knowledge of all those previous civilizations to defeat whatever foes might threaten the Milky Way galaxy in the future... but until the day comes when he's needed, he's sitting on a sunny beach somewhere, sipping pina coladas and watching the lives of the humans and other merely mortal species in the galaxy unfold. He is The Shepard after all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 22:22:44 GMT
Some people are still wanting the ending to be fixed it seems.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2019 22:33:42 GMT
Some people are still wanting the ending to be fixed it seems. Sure. I recognize, however, that wanting ain't getting. But that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to want in the first place.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2019 22:35:33 GMT
A pity the players weren't allowed to let Shepard die or retire on their own terms... Mine retired on his own terms... He took control of the Reapers, made them help repair the relays and the Citadel and then simply ordered them back to dark space and turned them off. He can come out of retirement, turn the Reapers back on, and use the knowledge of all those previous civilizations to defeat whatever foes might threaten the Milky Way galaxy in the future... but until the day comes when he's needed, he's sitting on a sunny beach somewhere, sipping pina coladas and watching the lives of the humans and other merely mortal species in the galaxy unfold. He is The Shepard after all. Yours burned to death grabbing electrodes. We saw the body disintegrate and everything. And an AI built with Shepard's memories assumed direct control of the Reapers. It then went on to put the galaxy in a cage. How gilded the cage was is variable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 0:20:05 GMT
Mine retired on his own terms... He took control of the Reapers, made them help repair the relays and the Citadel and then simply ordered them back to dark space and turned them off. He can come out of retirement, turn the Reapers back on, and use the knowledge of all those previous civilizations to defeat whatever foes might threaten the Milky Way galaxy in the future... but until the day comes when he's needed, he's sitting on a sunny beach somewhere, sipping pina coladas and watching the lives of the humans and other merely mortal species in the galaxy unfold. He is The Shepard after all. Yours burned to death grabbing electrodes. We saw the body disintegrate and everything. And an AI built with Shepard's memories assumed direct control of the Reapers. It then went on to put the galaxy in a cage. How gilded the cage was is variable. Then he died on his own terms and his AI rules the Reapers on Shepard's terms.. in accordance with Shepard's memories that reflect what Shepard valued... which was the preservation of life and knowledge. His AI simply turned the Reapers off AFTER they helped rebuild the damage done by the war (since he has "direct contol" he controls the power switch). Galactic history was preserved and could be made available to deal with whatever the next threat is that comes along. The people of the galaxy, including Shepard's crew, were left to do what they wanted and to continue to evolve and live out their own lives free from the threat of the Reapers... and since he's now immortal... it's on his own terms for all time. It doesn't get any better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 0:34:03 GMT
Some people are still wanting the ending to be fixed it seems. Sure. I recognize, however, that wanting ain't getting. But that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to want in the first place. You can want and want until the end of time, but at some point you must realize that ME3 isn't getting anymore content, patches, etc.
Last patch and content release was March 2013. Which concluded their post-release development cycle.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 19, 2019 4:20:37 GMT
Yours burned to death grabbing electrodes. We saw the body disintegrate and everything. And an AI built with Shepard's memories assumed direct control of the Reapers. It then went on to put the galaxy in a cage. How gilded the cage was is variable. Then he died on his own terms and his AI rules the Reapers on Shepard's terms.. in accordance with Shepard's memories that reflect what Shepard valued... which was the preservation of life and knowledge. His AI simply turned the Reapers off AFTER they helped rebuild the damage done by the war (since he has "direct contol" he controls the power switch).
I've never been comfortable with the idea that the Reapers should simply be "turned off." They are not responsible for their actions, and slaughtering sentient beings because you're mad at them is contemptible. But hey, if Shepard really wants to do it, then yeah, he can.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 11:06:49 GMT
Then he died on his own terms and his AI rules the Reapers on Shepard's terms.. in accordance with Shepard's memories that reflect what Shepard valued... which was the preservation of life and knowledge. His AI simply turned the Reapers off AFTER they helped rebuild the damage done by the war (since he has "direct contol" he controls the power switch).
I've never been comfortable with the idea that the Reapers should simply be "turned off." They are not responsible for their actions, and slaughtering sentient beings because you're mad at them is contemptible. But hey, if Shepard really wants to do it, then yeah, he can. At least they aren't destroyed. If turned off, they can be turned on again.. call it hibernation then. It's what they've done for more than a billion years... just without a harvest having occurred.... and on Shepard's terms, no harvesting will occur ever again. If it helps, Shepard also has the power to give them a choice... to bannish them to dark space awake where they are task to build their own society on the condition that, for all time, they leave the other Milky Way species alone. By definition, having control, is doing things "on your own terms." Iakus said it was a pity that we could not have Shepard "retire OR DIE" on his own terms; but we most certainly can. Whatever happens after he assumes control is entirely on his own terms. He says as much in the speech he gives... a speech that is sensitive to whether or not the player played the game as a paragon or a renegade. It is the only ending, really, that is sensitive to that difference in how the player played through the game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2019 11:56:43 GMT
Is this the Olympic Mental Gymnastics?
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Post by Iakus on Oct 19, 2019 15:41:50 GMT
Yours burned to death grabbing electrodes. We saw the body disintegrate and everything. And an AI built with Shepard's memories assumed direct control of the Reapers. It then went on to put the galaxy in a cage. How gilded the cage was is variable. Then he died on his own terms and his AI rules the Reapers on Shepard's terms.. in accordance with Shepard's memories that reflect what Shepard valued... which was the preservation of life and knowledge. His AI simply turned the Reapers off AFTER they helped rebuild the damage done by the war (since he has "direct contol" he controls the power switch). Galactic history was preserved and could be made available to deal with whatever the next threat is that comes along. The people of the galaxy, including Shepard's crew, were left to do what they wanted and to continue to evolve and live out their own lives free from the threat of the Reapers... and since he's now immortal... it's on his own terms for all time. It doesn't get any better than that.
"He died" and "since he's now immortal" are mutually exclusive. Pick a lane. And it's pretty explicitly stated that the Reapers stick around and "control" the entire galaxy. Yeah the galaxy's free...as long as they do as the Shepalyst says. A gilded cage is still a cage.
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