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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 17:44:36 GMT
So boarding the Citadel has a different effect than when Saren and Benezia boarded Sovereign? They're both Reapers or Reaper tech. It was stated in ME1 that the longer one stays aboard a Reaper the more they seem to think Sovereign's will is correct (game said Saren, but Sovereign is manipulating Saren, not the other way around). The Citadel may have behavior modification techniques that are unnoticeable to anyone. If the Citadel were able to indoctrinate its residents, there would be little need for the harvests, no need for the reapers to ostensibly hang out in dark space between cycles, no need for them to leave a vanguard behind as the Citadel itself could do their dirty work in preparing the civilizations for harvest. The harvests are the Reapers way of reproducing. Indoctrinating someone just makes them believe the Reaper's beliefs instead of their own. While at the same time trying to shake off the Reapers beliefs (or resist their influence) while trying to maintain your own beliefs. The Reapers don't just want you to accept their beliefs, they want to ascend you to the pinnacle of evolution by implanting you with Reaper tech. Once everyone is part Reaper, or has been rendered down into genetic paste used to make more Reapers, the Reapers have completed their reproduction and then they go back to dark space.
The Illusive Man was indoctrinated by an artifact ages ago and he had some control over his mind. Wasn't until the Reapers arrived in the Milky Way did he really start to believe their ideas. One shot of the stuff isn't going to do it. A person needs long term exposure to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 17:57:16 GMT
If the Citadel were able to indoctrinate its residents, there would be little need for the harvests, no need for the reapers to ostensibly hang out in dark space between cycles, no need for them to leave a vanguard behind as the Citadel itself could do their dirty work in preparing the civilizations for harvest. The harvests are the Reapers way of reproducing. Indoctrinating someone just makes them believe the Reaper's beliefs instead of their own. While at the same time trying to shake off the Reapers beliefs (or resist their influence) while trying to maintain your own beliefs. The Reapers don't just want you to accept their beliefs, they want to ascend you to the pinnacle of evolution by implanting you with Reaper tech. Once everyone is part Reaper, or has been rendered down into genetic paste used to make more Reapers, the Reapers have completed their reproduction and then they go back to dark space.
The Illusive Man was indoctrinated by an artifact ages ago and he had some control over his mind. Wasn't until the Reapers arrived in the Milky Way did he really start to believe their ideas. One shot of the stuff isn't going to do it. A person needs long term exposure to it.
Arrival refutes that though. She had be totally indoctrinated enough that she completely turned on her belief that the Reapers needed to be stopped such that she was willing to sabotage her own project. She obviously had only been exposed to the artifact for less than 2 years... or else Hackett would have known about Reapers in ME1. The premise suggested in ME1 was that close proximity to a Reaper was required because the indoctrination occurred through signals coming from the ship itself. Arrival shatters that premise and even the premise that long-term exposure was required or that the indoctrinated subject became less capable. Kenson was still very capable... even at thinking of alternative ways to sabotage the project as Shepard foiled her original plans to do so.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 11, 2020 19:46:19 GMT
Really, I think Arrival is fundamentally broken in terms of its plot logic. I get the whole idea of destroying the relay to stop the reapers, but the existence of both the Alpha Relay and the Project Rho artifact raise tons of nagging questions that make ME2 even more problematic in its place in the trilogy. Object Rho was a Reaper artifact which Kenson's team found. While they were studying it, it basically affected the whole team. They started seeing things, hearing whispers, etc. All signs that they were being indoctrinated by the artifact.
When Harbinger says "struggle if you wish your mind will be mine" to Shepard, it's really trying to get him indoctrinated too. If you run out the clock at the base, when the timer reaches zero Shepard see visions of the Reapers arrival. The same visions that one of Kenson's team members talked about. So yeah, Shepard was affected by the artifact.
Kenson and her team were perfectly normal before they found this base on the giant asteroid. They only got indoctrinated after being exposed to the artifact. That's a compressed rundown of what Arrival entails, but that's not really what I mean. What I'm getting at is that the Alpha Relay as a back door along with the existence of Project Rho leaves questions about the point of ME1's story, Sovereign's efforts and the Citadel itself. The Citadel is supposed to be the core of the trap. It's supposed to catch everyone off guard and then immediately isolate every star system, yet the reapers also have this contingency plan. Would this be p Is Project Rho a beacon? The fact that it cycles down and serves as a kind of countdown makes me wonder why they'd leave such a blatantly ominous Evil Bauble just floating around out there, because it's just outwardly a more obvious ticking clock of doom than the Keepers' largely hidden internal timer.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 17, 2020 0:10:22 GMT
I can't but I don't need. Something like "carbon-based chemistry, tissues made from cells". If you can't accept an intuition and need a definition, then there's none specific and one more case that the problem is not precisely stated. But you do need said definition because you are trying to have it be all of the definitions at the same time. The game world makes the distinction pretty clear as flesh and blood, evolved from single cell into small multi cell into larger intelligent life forms is the game's definition of organic life. Which is very different from synthetic life like the geth that was created though different means being more or less created by 1's and 0's.
And again religious worship of a intangible god is very different then worship of an actual existing, currently killing several billion and turning another several billion into a liquid slurry to build another Reaper.
Actually they do fall into that problematic domain given they were able to wage a successful genocidal ware against the Quarians that wiped out untold billions of old, adult, teen, children and babies Quarians. Even the minority of over all Geth were capable of making a succesful strike at the Citadel the most heavily guarded locations in the galaxy and almost succeeded in wiping out the entire Citadel Fleet. Inflicting such massive casualties the Alliance had to offer up ships for the Fleet while replacement ships were being build.
As for Angara. Do they need to eat food? Do they have organs? Do they reproduce though sexual intercourse?
Now does EDI need to eat food? Does EDI have organs? Is EDI capable of reproduction though sexual intercourse with Joker?
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 17, 2020 12:11:24 GMT
I can't but I don't need. Something like "carbon-based chemistry, tissues made from cells". If you can't accept an intuition and need a definition, then there's none specific and one more case that the problem is not precisely stated. But you do need said definition because you are trying to have it be all of the definitions at the same time. The game world makes the distinction pretty clear as flesh and blood, evolved from single cell into small multi cell into larger intelligent life forms is the game's definition of organic life. Which is very different from synthetic life like the geth that was created though different means being more or less created by 1's and 0's.
Totally not, you confuse "synthetic" with "artificial". You even lack a word for what I mean by "synthetic" if it's already used instead of "artificial". Read the Codex about geth and see the use of "artificial" or take a look at the use of "organic" in SAM's readings. And again I ask you to explain why it matters. You misread me? I said they're a problem. Yes, yes, yes, no, maybe and no because the angara are organic (though artificial) and EDI is synthetic.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 17, 2020 13:06:01 GMT
But you do need said definition because you are trying to have it be all of the definitions at the same time. The game world makes the distinction pretty clear as flesh and blood, evolved from single cell into small multi cell into larger intelligent life forms is the game's definition of organic life. Which is very different from synthetic life like the geth that was created though different means being more or less created by 1's and 0's.
Totally not, you confuse "synthetic" with "artificial". You even lack a word for what I mean by "synthetic" if it's already used instead of "artificial". Read the Codex about geth and see the use of "artificial" or take a look at the use of "organic" in SAM's readings. There are numerous codex entries in ME1 that clearly spell out that Synthetic Life is the politically correct term for Artificial Intelligence.
This terminology continues to be utilized across the ME trilogy.
Because Tali's entire comment was about Geth reaching consciousness and so they must have the same impulses as organic life to seek a higher power to answer the great mysteries of life. This is proven incorrect because the Geth were not reaching out to some self created higher power while grasping for answers to the great mysteries of life and the universe.
The Reapers are less biblical god which is more of a concept then a real individual and closer to the God Emperor pre Horus Hersy from the Warhammer 40K universe. And hey I'm happily atheist but if I came across a 12 foot tall man in golden armor with a flaming sword that can cut though a tank like a knife though butter. Demolish a building with his fist while also able to argue philosophy, paint and cure every disease we have while also finding out he is 10,000 years old. I'd fall on my knees in worship as well. Because I'm not engaging in some organic attempting to find some higher being for answers. I'm worshiping a real tangible being that exists and shows it self to be the ultimate form a human can become.
This is why it is different. And why claiming Tali is an expert on the Geth is over exaggerating.
Which was my original point. The Angara are organic life that was created though artificial means. Mean while the Geth and other beings like EDI are synthetic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 15:41:14 GMT
Would this be p Is Project Rho a beacon? Project Rho, the artifact, is a piece of Reaper technology which indoctrinated Kenson and her team.
The codex for Arrival: The Reapers Secrets states the artifact, codenamed Object Rho, emits a pulse of infrasound which broadcasts into Reaper space. Infrasound is the tool the Reapers use to indoctrinate someone.
Infrasound is a special wave of sound which is below the levels of human hearing (less than 20 Hz) that causes harmful sound pressure and other physiological effects. It has been known to cause headaches, buzzing or ringing in ears, hallucinations such as ghosts or other things which aren't really there, It's there trying to indoctrinate you, while you don't even realize it because you can't hear it.
The Reapers infrasound is not as powerful the further way they are. Once Mass Effect 3 hits, the Reapers are all over the galaxy, in close proximity to anyone, so the indoctrination signal is much stronger. You could say anyone sitting next to that artifact has the possibility of becoming indoctrinated.
Also, the Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2 was designed to bridge the story between Mass Effect 3. Two things Shepard accomplished by doing this, they delay the Reapers for 6 months, and while in close proximity to the artifact, the Reapers try to indoctrinate Shepard. Harbinger's words "struggle if you wish your mind will be mine", makes that pretty obvious.
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 17, 2020 19:27:36 GMT
Totally not, you confuse "synthetic" with "artificial". You even lack a word for what I mean by "synthetic" if it's already used instead of "artificial". Read the Codex about geth and see the use of "artificial" or take a look at the use of "organic" in SAM's readings. There are numerous codex entries in ME1 that clearly spell out that Synthetic Life is the politically correct term for Artificial Intelligence.
This terminology continues to be utilized across the ME trilogy.
If you mean those guys mentioned at the end of the entry, they conflate different ideas and no one uses their terms, the title of the entry included. OK, I got what you mean and you're probably right. But then I never meant that their impulses are fully organic, because they themselves aren't. As much as anybody around Shepard can be, barring maybe Xen or David Archer. So you get the distinction.
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Post by The Hype Himself on May 30, 2020 21:38:38 GMT
Yes.
For reasons.
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Post by cloud9 on May 31, 2020 7:14:56 GMT
Now, it would be very, very, very cool if we could interact/play Shepard's child from Liara. (Or possibly from Ashely)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 31, 2020 10:52:10 GMT
Now, it would be very, very, very cool if we could interact/play Shepard's child from Liara. (Or possibly from Ashely) And what of all the players who didn’t romance those two aka the majority?
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Post by themikefest on May 31, 2020 10:57:54 GMT
Now, it would be very, very, very cool if we could interact/play Shepard's child from Liara. (Or possibly from Ashely) That would be hard to do since I saw t'soni vaporized by Harbinger. Unless you mean t'soni did that embrace eternity crap before Shepard's body was put in the hands of Cerberus. If that's the case, then it's another reason to have Harbinger vaporize the asari. With Ashley, same thing. She could be vaporized by Harbinger. If Williams was pregnant at the time Shepard was killed, in ME2, why would she not mention that to maleshep when seeing him on Horizon or even in ME3?
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Post by KaiserShep on May 31, 2020 11:46:18 GMT
Now, it would be very, very, very cool if we could interact/play Shepard's child from Liara. (Or possibly from Ashely) I would be so pissed off if they did. I wouldn't want to play an Asari, and I wouldn't want Shepard getting the Revan treatment.
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Post by wright1978 on May 31, 2020 11:53:28 GMT
Now, it would be very, very, very cool if we could interact/play Shepard's child from Liara. (Or possibly from Ashely) And what of all the players who didn’t romance those two aka the majority? This my shep romanced neither, so no. Also even if Liara steals sheps dna in a stalkerish fit & uses it to randomise dna that doesn't make the child Shep's imo. Shep wpuld have to be around to raise any romanced Liara blue babies for it to mean anything.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 31, 2020 12:06:49 GMT
And what of all the players who didn’t romance those two aka the majority? This my shep romanced neither, so no. Also even if Liara steals sheps dna in a stalkerish fit & uses it to randomise dna that doesn't make the child Shep's imo. Shep wpuld have to be around to raise any romanced Liara blue babies for it to mean anything.
I mean, at that point it wouldn't even matter if Shepard is written to have raised the child or not. Having Liara be a gene snatcher that somehow steals DNA to get pregnant would be hilarious in how much it pisses people in the fanbase off. I'd have to tip my hat to the trolling level.
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Post by The Hype Himself on May 31, 2020 12:50:00 GMT
Now, it would be very, very, very cool if we could interact/play Shepard's child from Liara. (Or possibly from Ashely) Now why would I want to interact with or play as any child of that filthy xeno? Or that stupid racist?
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 31, 2020 13:14:09 GMT
^ Uhm... *R.O.F.L.*
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Post by Phantom on May 31, 2020 16:01:35 GMT
Being serious here, Will the quality of Mass Effect:Shepard be good? If not, the shit storm shall be huge, If good, Bioware will be happy with the amount of money with happy fans with a potential ME:A2.
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Post by themikefest on May 31, 2020 16:53:06 GMT
Would t'soni train the kid to steal armor from dead bodies like she did when she took Shepard's armor?
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Post by Phantom on May 31, 2020 17:40:26 GMT
Would t'soni train the kid to steal armor from dead bodies like she did when she took Shepard's armor? Well I do think with nature of Liara in that she could be written into a great villain and yes It will piss her fans off but with a good writer, it can become believable.
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Post by The Hype Himself on May 31, 2020 23:29:55 GMT
Would t'soni train the kid to steal armor from dead bodies like she did when she took Shepard's armor? Well I do think with nature of Liara in that she could be written into a great villain and yes It will piss her fans off but with a good writer, it can become believable. Aliens do make great villains. I'm a proud, god-fearin', football-lovin' (if those commie pinkos would stop kneelin' for the FLAG,) Republican Space Ranger. MHGA
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 1, 2020 0:11:52 GMT
Would t'soni train the kid to steal armor from dead bodies like she did when she took Shepard's armor? I mean, that’s RPG looting 101. Even better if there’s a weapon.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jun 1, 2020 1:46:54 GMT
Would t'soni train the kid to steal armor from dead bodies like she did when she took Shepard's armor? I mean, that’s RPG looting 101. Even better if there’s a weapon. Yeah, but it's so cray if you take it from a guy you knew a week and somehow fell in love with him when he clearly wasn't interested nor indicated as such. It would be so creepy if Liara's son does that.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 1, 2020 7:02:17 GMT
Now, it would be very, very, very cool if we could interact/play Shepard's child from Liara. (Or possibly from Ashely) A child with a Xeno?! Dude, that's disgusting! *Loads bolt rifle to purge this Hersey* Ashley on the other hand is dead in all my playthoughs. So no kid there.
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