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Dice's Frost Bite engine may have a competitor in the Unreal Engine 5, regarding eye candy.
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Post by scalt on May 14, 2020 21:43:08 GMT
Just watched a presentation of Ghost of Tsushima gameplay. The game looks like a cheap version of AC Odyssey.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 14, 2020 21:59:31 GMT
Just watched a presentation of Ghost of Tsushima gameplay. The game looks like a cheap version of AC Odyssey. Yeah I'm quite undecided on that game. I think a lot of enjoyment may hinge on how interested you are in that era of history.
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Post by Sartoz on May 15, 2020 1:52:08 GMT
Just watched a presentation of Ghost of Tsushima gameplay. The game looks like a cheap version of AC Odyssey. Yeah I'm quite undecided on that game. I think a lot of enjoyment may hinge on how interested you are in that era of history.
I suspect it's all melee combat.
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Post by Remmirath on May 18, 2020 17:30:40 GMT
Trying to compete to be one of the Biggest Things In Gaming was I think at least half of the problem with DA:I right there. BioWare's strength has traditionally been in tightly plotted single-player RPGs, and trying to mix in all the open-world and multiplayer and crafting and action elements certainly seems to have caused most if not all of the problems I see with the game. If that's the plan again for DA4, yeah, it's probably doomed; there's likely to be something glitzier and showier out there that will garner more attention.
But as far as actually competing goes, if DA4 instead goes back to carving out a niche for itself by being another strong single-player RPG (as unlikely as that may seem now), I think it has a real shot at competing. There's a lot less competition in that specific arena, and it could easily end up being the best of the year or even several years.
So I think DA4 definitely can compete... if the focus is right.
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2020 4:05:03 GMT
Trying to compete to be one of the Biggest Things In Gaming was I think at least half of the problem with DA:I right there. BioWare's strength has traditionally been in tightly plotted single-player RPGs, and trying to mix in all the open-world and multiplayer and crafting and action elements certainly seems to have caused most if not all of the problems I see with the game. If that's the plan again for DA4, yeah, it's probably doomed; there's likely to be something glitzier and showier out there that will garner more attention. But as far as actually competing goes, if DA4 instead goes back to carving out a niche for itself by being another strong single-player RPG (as unlikely as that may seem now), I think it has a real shot at competing. There's a lot less competition in that specific arena, and it could easily end up being the best of the year or even several years. So I think DA4 definitely can compete... if the focus is right. This just strikes me about ten levels of bizarre. I mean Inquisition did all these things and was critically acclaimed. Witcher 3 did all these things and was critically acclaimed. ...And the vast majority of BioWare games remains tightly focused Single Player RPG experiences. And there are other games which has shown that you can have crafting elements and 'open world' (used as loosely and inaccurately as the term is ever used) and is critically and universally acclaimed by the critics and fans. Whatever the specific issues one might or might not have with DAI (or Andromeda) I don't think the issue can quite as simplistic as BioWare tried to do too much with Inquisition. *waves at Luke Barret respectfully*
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Post by Sanunes on May 19, 2020 7:00:55 GMT
Trying to compete to be one of the Biggest Things In Gaming was I think at least half of the problem with DA:I right there. BioWare's strength has traditionally been in tightly plotted single-player RPGs, and trying to mix in all the open-world and multiplayer and crafting and action elements certainly seems to have caused most if not all of the problems I see with the game. If that's the plan again for DA4, yeah, it's probably doomed; there's likely to be something glitzier and showier out there that will garner more attention. But as far as actually competing goes, if DA4 instead goes back to carving out a niche for itself by being another strong single-player RPG (as unlikely as that may seem now), I think it has a real shot at competing. There's a lot less competition in that specific arena, and it could easily end up being the best of the year or even several years. So I think DA4 definitely can compete... if the focus is right. This just strikes me about ten levels of bizarre. I mean Inquisition did all these things and was critically acclaimed. Witcher 3 did all these things and was critically acclaimed. ...And the vast majority of BioWare games remains tightly focused Single Player RPG experiences. And there are other games which has shown that you can have crafting elements and 'open world' (used as loosely and inaccurately as the term is ever used) and is critically and universally acclaimed by the critics and fans. Whatever the specific issues one might or might not have with DAI (or Andromeda) I don't think the issue can quite as simplistic as BioWare tried to do too much with Inquisition. *waves at Luke Barret respectfully* I think even looking at Inquisition you can look at systems for the same thing and how well some work and how some will bog the game down. Just comparing the crafting systems for potions or weapons/armor to me the potion one would work great in a story based game. The zone design for the smaller zones that direct you down a path that helped tell the story of the area worked better for the story then just having one large empty feeling zone that you aimlessly wander hoping to find what you want. Even the amount of time the game is designed for is demonstrated well. You cannot have a game that is designed to be a 20 hour or 80 hour experience, the 20 hour experience will always be the better one for the other content will always feel detached from that first 20 hours. I know I enjoy Inquisition a lot more when sticking to the critical path and then it feels like the prior BioWare games because the story isn't sitting still while I go out and wander and that does include the more open world content or having multiplayer in the game. Its about how the game incorporates them being the more important thing while keeping the story to be the most important thing and not the systems behind the story.
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Post by Sartoz on May 19, 2020 12:54:51 GMT
Big Snip Whatever the specific issues one might or might not have with DAI (or Andromeda) I don't think the issue can quite as simplistic as BioWare tried to do too much with Inquisition. *waves at Luke Barret respectfully*
Hm... I agree.
At game launch, Bio showed off the eye candy capability of the FB engine at the expense of content. So, the Hinterlands is one big zone full of emptiness but shows us vast vistas with puerile filler quests. Here, the studio did not do enough. Enter another exhibit .... the CC with its infantile facial hair options.
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Post by Sanunes on May 19, 2020 13:06:21 GMT
Big Snip Whatever the specific issues one might or might not have with DAI (or Andromeda) I don't think the issue can quite as simplistic as BioWare tried to do too much with Inquisition. *waves at Luke Barret respectfully*
Hm... I agree.
At game launch, Bio showed off the eye candy capability of the FB engine at the expense of content. So, the Hinterlands is one big zone full of emptiness but shows us vast vistas with puerile filler quests. Here, the studio did not do enough. Enter another exhibit .... the CC with its infantile facial hair options.
That is the problem with demonstrations of "what is possible" for it doesn't have all the variables yet such as NPCs, you and your party, other environmental content not to mention it probably wasn't running on the older consoles with the vastly more limited hardware at that point either. That is why I don't understand why people want to know and see more thinking it would somehow be magically ready years before release. Not everything has been balanced, tuned, or added to know if that vision of the game is even possible. Edit: Its like the Unreal 5 preview we don't know if that is really possible inside game without it turning out like The Order: 1886 where so much was sacrificed for the visual fidelity.
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Post by alanc9 on May 19, 2020 16:08:34 GMT
Big Snip Whatever the specific issues one might or might not have with DAI (or Andromeda) I don't think the issue can quite as simplistic as BioWare tried to do too much with Inquisition. *waves at Luke Barret respectfully*
Hm... I agree.
At game launch, Bio showed off the eye candy capability of the FB engine at the expense of content. So, the Hinterlands is one big zone full of emptiness but shows us vast vistas with puerile filler quests. Here, the studio did not do enough. Enter another exhibit .... the CC with its infantile facial hair options.
Although this can be described as trying to do too much, in a sense; they built more areas than the budget permitted them to fill with high-quality content.
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Post by revelationeffect on May 20, 2020 2:45:44 GMT
Hm... I agree.
At game launch, Bio showed off the eye candy capability of the FB engine at the expense of content. So, the Hinterlands is one big zone full of emptiness but shows us vast vistas with puerile filler quests. Here, the studio did not do enough. Enter another exhibit .... the CC with its infantile facial hair options.
Although this can be described as trying to do too much, in a sense; they built more areas than the budget permitted them to fill with high-quality content. Yeah, I'd honestly say the issue is explicitly associated with trying to do too much; the scope of the game, the difficulties with Frostbite and other factors explicitly led to the budget for side quests to be thoroughly slashed. If they'd scaled back the number of areas they could easily have produced a smaller number of higher-quality quests.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 20, 2020 2:53:04 GMT
Although this can be described as trying to do too much, in a sense; they built more areas than the budget permitted them to fill with high-quality content. Yeah, I'd honestly say the issue is explicitly associated with trying to do too much; the scope of the game, the difficulties with Frostbite and other factors explicitly led to the budget for side quests to be thoroughly slashed. If they'd scaled back the number of areas they could easily have produced a smaller number of higher-quality quests. Personally, I'd take that one step further and say that they should have seriously questioned the idea that they needed an "open world" or any "side quests" to begin with.
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Post by Addictress on Jun 26, 2020 6:36:25 GMT
Trying to compete to be one of the Biggest Things In Gaming was I think at least half of the problem with DA:I right there. BioWare's strength has traditionally been in tightly plotted single-player RPGs, and trying to mix in all the open-world and multiplayer and crafting and action elements certainly seems to have caused most if not all of the problems I see with the game. If that's the plan again for DA4, yeah, it's probably doomed; there's likely to be something glitzier and showier out there that will garner more attention. But as far as actually competing goes, if DA4 instead goes back to carving out a niche for itself by being another strong single-player RPG (as unlikely as that may seem now), I think it has a real shot at competing. There's a lot less competition in that specific arena, and it could easily end up being the best of the year or even several years. So I think DA4 definitely can compete... if the focus is right. Thank you Perfectly said
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Post by biggydx on Jun 26, 2020 13:33:06 GMT
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 26, 2020 17:48:40 GMT
Yeah, I'd honestly say the issue is explicitly associated with trying to do too much; the scope of the game, the difficulties with Frostbite and other factors explicitly led to the budget for side quests to be thoroughly slashed. If they'd scaled back the number of areas they could easily have produced a smaller number of higher-quality quests. Personally, I'd take that one step further and say that they should have seriously questioned the idea that they needed an "open world" or any "side quests" to begin with.
That requires the writers to step up to the plate. Are they up to it?
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Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2020 12:30:53 GMT
Personally, I'd take that one step further and say that they should have seriously questioned the idea that they needed an "open world" or any "side quests" to begin with.
Bioware always failed at creating a living environment. They even can't create a city that looks as if it was alive, so why should they try their hand at open worlds? That's simplly not their strength. Their strength always lay in story telling and in creating interesting companions. Well, at least until MEA, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 30, 2020 13:22:12 GMT
Personally, I'd take that one step further and say that they should have seriously questioned the idea that they needed an "open world" or any "side quests" to begin with.
Bioware always failed at creating a living environment. They even can't create a city that looks as if it was alive, so why should they try their hand at open worlds? That's simplly not their strength. Their strength always lay in story telling and in creating interesting companions. Well, at least until MEA, but that's just my opinion.
Any other failures you'd like to mention ? I'm pretty sure I forgot a couple
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Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2020 14:38:09 GMT
Any other failures you'd like to mention ? I'm pretty sure I forgot a couple
What Bioware does is putting unreactive road obstacles into their environments. Good enough in 2008 when hardly anyone could do better. Not good enough in 2011, 2014 or 2017.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 30, 2020 16:34:18 GMT
Any other failures you'd like to mention ? I'm pretty sure I forgot a couple
What Bioware does is putting unreactive road obstacles into their environments. Good enough in 2008 when hardly anyone could do better. Not good enough in 2011, 2014 or 2017.
Yeah dude we get it, you love Gothic and pray at its altar but it's not accurate to say Bioware doesn't make the effort to create living breathing worlds. Obviously they have some faults as you point out but they also create complex societies with people that have specific needs and demands, all of which form the basis not just of the quests involved but also in the relationship between the player and the NPC's.
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Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2020 17:02:15 GMT
Yeah dude we get it, you love Gothic and pray at its altar....
I didn't even play Gothic ... dude.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 30, 2020 18:34:01 GMT
Yeah dude we get it, you love Gothic and pray at its altar....
I didn't even play Gothic ... dude.
Then what are you waiting for dude ? Enjoy yourself !
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Post by FireAndBlood on Jun 30, 2020 19:27:57 GMT
Jesus Christ this thread is still going!?!
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