Do you think BioWare regrets introducing romance into their titles?

Guess I fit right in here 

Look, if you are placing heterosexuality or whiteness on a pedestal, something that should always be included, and treat minorities like side show attractions who aren't as important and adding them to any type of media needs to be thoroughly researched and given several apt reasons to include them, then that's pretty telling of some kind of ignorance. 

And this, ladies and gentlemen, it what we call a "straw man"

Also, prime evidence of why I avoid those threads like the plague.  The place gets rife with such accusations at the least sign of criticism.

You're doing fine on your own.

And this isn't a character thread, it's a DA4 thread.

I don't visit the character threads because I got sick and tired of complaints that Cassandra looked too "mannish"  That it's was an OUTRAGE she was a straight romance option, that Josephine's romance was "boring" because she kept her clothes on.  That Solas's romance was too central to the story.  That Cullen should have been available to dwarves or Qunari, or be bi.  That Vivienne should have been a romance option.  No, wait, I hate, her, she shouldn't have been!  No, we need more dark-skinned romance options, she should be romanceable after all!  There were too many straight female romances.  And on and on and on.

And don't you dare say "I was fine with the choices I had" Or else you're "placing heterosexuality or whiteness on a pedestal" or "treat minorities like sideshow attractions"

Especially funny in this case because if you look through my posts in this thread I haven't stated AT ALL what kind of romances I prefer, save that I like them in the games and would like to see them continue.  All I have said is they have become too big a focus.  such comments like these only illustrate my point.

And BioWare has a diversity of characters with different sexual is probably because want it not necessarily because of fandom pressure.

I don't see how any of this has anything to do with me or my post? You're just unloading all your opinions on me, when I haven't even undressed you until you quoted me?

The person I was replying to said '' Trying to please everyone isn't good because when you put mandates on things you often get stuff that feels token or tacked on. '' 
To which I pointed out that indeed, it is tiresome to please everyone, so trying to please straight people or white people or any majority, isn't good either.
People who say '' trying to please everyone is bad '' often specifically aim it at minorities, and often see that the central focus should always be on majorities, which I don't agree with, and makes you sound ignorant as heck.

That was the argument I was making. Do you understand now? I wasn't at any point directing any of my thoughts at YOU specifically.

Don't forget Tali and Garrus.

Indeed.  HE made a point and you proceeded to reductio ad absurdum.

Tough as it may be to hear,  tacking on content just to please people can be, and often is, shallow.  Yeah I know it's a shock to hear it from me but it's true.

If you are going to add something to a game, it should be something that feels organic to the story, not something from a shopping list to check off. 


It's not about pleasing this group or that group.  It's about ending up witha laundry list of "must haves" that is so long there aren't enough characters in the game to fulfill all these "put in this LI or I will be OUTRAGED!!!"  At some point, a line has to be drawn "We will put in X number of potential romances.  We will do what we can with that number but we can't possibly please everyone"  I know I haven't been pleased with all my options for every Bioware game.  But you know what?  As long as the story is decent, I can deal. Cr*ppy story is a far more egregious sin for me.

This thread (mostly how it has develoved, quite predictable really) reminds me of why I have took the Chris Avelone approach over time.


Smilesja, every time I see this guy I just have to laugh when I read any comment of his. You know that what you say works both ways right? I mean while you think probably BioWare does what they want with their writing, others may believe they do not, is that simple, unless it's shown otherwise, basically with actual prove so then it becomes a fact, you are just stuck in a  "I believe I don't believe game" and that's about it.

"Peace" folks, I really love when people start writing saltiness in their comments, quite entertaining.

I feel like you are trying to push your own opinions into conversations they don't necessarily belong to. I'm not having this discussion because fundamentally I don't disagree with you.

Very true. 

(Still love the romances tho  )

I'm curious to see how Bioware will surpass DAI on the romance and representation front. Among the romances(counting Harding) alone it had:

3 straight men
1 straight woman
1 gay man
1 lesbian
1 pan man
2 bi women (one of which could be seen as Ace or Demi according to the writer)