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Post by Sartoz on Sept 18, 2019 19:56:39 GMT
Monetization is key. Unfortunately, Anthem can't support itself. It's as simple as that. EA knows it and Bio knows it .
I rolled on the floor when I read that Anthem had a "large team" working on Anthem. It's such a" large team" that Acts 2 and 3 are cancelled. It's such a "large team" that the focus is fixing core issues and to provide future seasonal event updates.... whatever they are. They have such a "large team" working on the game that Anthem is now delegated to Origins Access Basic.
What a 90ยฐ turn in the game's promised development.
I believe EA gave Anthem the MEA treatment with a caveat. ... keep some maintenance and development personnel for another year. After that, it either keeps going or gets the full MEA treatment.
EA did mention a 10 year life cycle for Anthem. ... just not what kind of life.
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Post by saandrig on Sept 18, 2019 20:10:25 GMT
Monetization is key. Unfortunately, Anthem can't support itself. It's as simple as that. EA knows it and Bio knows it .
I rolled on the floor when I read that Anthem had a "large team" working on Anthem. It's such a" large team" that Acts 2 and 3 are cancelled. It's such a "large team" that the focus is fixing core issues and to provide future seasonal event updates.... whatever they are. They have such a "large team" working on the game that Anthem is now delegated to Origins Access Basic.
What a 90ยฐ turn in the game's promised development.
I believe EA gave Anthem the MEA treatment with a caveat. ... keep some maintenance and development personnel for another year. After that, it either keeps going or gets the full MEA treatment.
EA did mention a 10 year life cycle for Anthem. ... just not what kind of life.
In SWTOR, Battlefront 2 and BFV when the new hyped game content (an update like the Cataclysm, that is supposed to revitalize the game) failed to bring things around, EA shrinked the development teams further and the following updates were delayed and much smaller in scope. But they did say they are "committed" to Anthem, right? Right? What are the odds they will follow their usual MO here...
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Post by natetrace on Sept 18, 2019 20:33:23 GMT
Oh Anthem. I always defend BioWare but even I must admit there were several oofs with this game. I don't like timed events, I would prefer these to be permanent. I don't really have the time, to make the time to sit down and play a bunch of timed events. I can make time to get through it later, at my leisure. Even the fact that we are in first person in fort tarsis irritates the hell out of me. It serves no purpose! Wish I could keep my gun unholstered after going two seconds of not shooting. Also it would have been better to have a separate single player mode where you have squadmates like Haluk and other characters rather than randos. Also I think I'm still hunting for damn Titans to kill in the main campaign.
I don't hate the game, I just hate playing it and constantly questioning why the hell they did it this way.
I'd like to see a character creator, maybe be able to remove your helmet during gameplay. That's be a cool start but I doubt it will happen.
I really enjoyed Andromeda, and it's because despite it's issues it still had many staples of a BioWare game. Anthem is much harder to defend but I can see potential to grow some. Hopefully it does.
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Post by Dukemon on Sept 18, 2019 21:50:13 GMT
I do not expect any game from Bioware. In relation to this message from Bioware, after DAI, MEA and the BIG plans for Anthem I have got only this thought
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Post by xrayspex73 on Sept 18, 2019 22:36:27 GMT
I would prefer that Bioware just admit defeat and shut the game down rather than waste time trying (or at least act like they're trying) to fix it. It is damaged goods and clearly they still have no vision for the game. The cancellation of the "Acts" just makes clear that they can not keep up with any sort of schedule whether it's due to no vision or more Frostbite woes.
I imagine this means no more meaningful story elements which leaves this game with a complete joke of a story. Seasonal events (fighting titans in snow maybe?) does not make up for the terrible gameplay loop that exists now. I don't understand Bioware's insistence on timed content. Do they not realize the game doesn't have enough good content as it is, so why just add temporary content?
Bioware needs to take this on the chin and take a long look in the mirror and decide whether this live-service model works for them (it doesn't). With what we have seen with Anthem, does anyone actually believe they are going to make a good game with DA4? I certainly don't.
It's incredible to me that Bioware could go from my all time favorite developer for years to one that I actively want to fail.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 18, 2019 23:43:05 GMT
I just feel like Chad would have been better off putting out a statement on Twitter saying, "We still have updates planned for Anthem after the Cataclysm, as well as new content we're currently developing for the future. Once the team is solidified in how we want to deliver this content, we'll detail what the studio has in store for our community, as well as where we want to take Anthem going forward."
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Post by officerdonnz on Sept 19, 2019 1:22:11 GMT
Well looks like I won't be reinstalling Anthem anytime soon if at all.
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Post by clips7 on Sept 19, 2019 2:08:52 GMT
This felt like EA forced Bioware to make this from the very beginning, (even tho folks say that this was Bioware's idea all along) but with EA's current business model with them discouraging SP games, Anthem looks and felt like EA had their hand up Bioware's a$$ like Jim Henson's hand up Kermit's the Frog's ass. pics.me.me/kermit-the-frog-drops-bombshell-sexual-assault-allegations-against-jim-29039008.pngBioware should just call this a wrap and regroup because even tho EA said they will support Anthem, their budget is not bottomless....at some point they will have to stop the bleeding and close shop. You wanna win some players back? make another Mass Effect game with Shep and crew in the aftermath of 3...make some vague mention of the ships that went to Andromeda, maybe somehow connect the Illusive man as the guy low-key backing that project and somehow maybe insert a Reaper that has gone rogue for the next installment of Andromeda (which you can tie into similarities with what was happening with the Kett and Angarians in terms of transformations and build off of how the Kett was being secretly controlled by this Reaper as the great reveal for the next andromeda game. Just let Shep and crew handle some dangerous threat from another alien race as the folks in the Milky Way are rebuilding...nothing universal like the Reapers, but something dangerous, but just on a smaller scale....people will come back droves to see Shep and crew....and even those who don't like the idea will pick it up to see how it turns out....of course writing and all that has to be solid, but i'm just saying....Shep and crew will definitely build up some hype and generate some positive traffic amongst Bioware's current dismal public stance.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 19, 2019 6:32:51 GMT
I just feel like Chad would have been better off putting out a statement on Twitter saying, "We still have updates planned for Anthem after the Cataclysm, as well as new content we're currently developing for the future. Once the team is solidified in how we want to deliver this content, we'll detail what the studio has in store for our community, as well as where we want to take Anthem going forward." They're just so bad at communication though. Always have been. Always saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. And that's cute if you actually have a good game so it doesn't matter. But it's insult with injury with Anthem.
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Post by Pounce de Leรณn on Sept 19, 2019 7:23:45 GMT
"I have news: There is no news."
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Post by saandrig on Sept 19, 2019 7:33:41 GMT
"I have news: There is no news." You have to appreciate that they are improving communication. Seven months ago it was all "Road map, Acts, new expensive mocap, Cataclysm that will blow you away, huge team working on new stuff, we are so committed!!!". And now when they are well past the 6 month mark (when you have little chance of contesting credit cards charges for promised and "undelivered services") you almost get the "we got nothing" admission. Almost... Maybe next time.
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Post by Pounce de Leรณn on Sept 19, 2019 7:41:50 GMT
"I have news: There is no news." You have to appreciate that they are improving communication. Seven months ago it was all "Road map, Acts, new expensive mocap, Cataclysm that will blow you away, huge team working on new stuff, we are so committed!!!". And now when they are well past the 6 month mark (when you have little chance of contesting credit cards charges for promised and "undelivered services") you almost get the "we got nothing" admission. Almost... Maybe next time. Live service. Roll out. Beat the drums. Then commit resources. People need to realize that buying into live service comes at the risk of not meeting the success criteria. Anyone would cut expenses for a project that underperforms.
Best way for that: Wait for release and judge the initial product. Then commit.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Sept 19, 2019 8:34:32 GMT
The community doesn't seem particularly content with the announcement. I thought THIS is the community... oh wait... barely a several dozens of Bioware fans post in bsn.boards, barely a dozen or two in the Anthem forum.
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The community doesn't seem particularly content with the announcement. I thought THIS is the community... oh wait... barely a several dozens of Bioware fans post in bsn.boards, barely a dozen or two in the Anthem forum. Well, they traded us for that other community and now they traded that community, apparently, for the EA forums community and I'm just wondering how long that community has before they ditch that community for ... I don't know, tumblr? yahoo mail?
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Post by Iakus on Sept 19, 2019 15:42:51 GMT
The community doesn't seem particularly content with the announcement. I thought THIS is the community... oh wait... barely a several dozens of Bioware fans post in bsn.boards, barely a dozen or two in the Anthem forum. It's the community of "the right sort"... <img text=" " alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/edtNekkfAbnqChTwkoue.png">
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Post by 10k on Sept 19, 2019 16:18:52 GMT
Bioware should just call this a wrap and regroup because even tho EA said they will support Anthem, their budget is not bottomless....at some point they will have to stop the bleeding and close shop. You wanna win some players back? make another Mass Effect game with Shep and crew in the aftermath of 3...make some vague mention of the ships that went to Andromeda, maybe somehow connect the Illusive man as the guy low-key backing that project and somehow maybe insert a Reaper that has gone rogue for the next installment of Andromeda (which you can tie into similarities with what was happening with the Kett and Angarians in terms of transformations and build off of how the Kett was being secretly controlled by this Reaper as the great reveal for the next andromeda game. Just let Shep and crew handle some dangerous threat from another alien race as the folks in the Milky Way are rebuilding...nothing universal like the Reapers, but something dangerous, but just on a smaller scale....people will come back droves to see Shep and crew....and even those who don't like the idea will pick it up to see how it turns out....of course writing and all that has to be solid, but i'm just saying....Shep and crew will definitely build up some hype and generate some positive traffic amongst Bioware's current dismal public stance. You are spot on! And it's funny so many here think Andromeda 2 will do the trick, when it's what partly got us into this mess. Shepard is as much of an icon as Master Chief. He made ME, just like the Chief made halo. The fans would go nuts with his return. You just can't replace a great protagonist like that, especially not with the Ryder twins.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 19, 2019 16:53:27 GMT
They'd go nuts right up until it turns out that what's coming back isn't their Shepard, but one whose life has been ettconed up the wazoo to make another game possible.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 19, 2019 17:05:29 GMT
They'd go nuts right up until it turns out that what's coming back isn't their Shepard, but one whose life has been ettconed up the wazoo to make another game possible. Well, that also depends on whether their purpose with that game is either burning bridges entirely or mending things. They're going to have the time, this time around, to please the fanbase and accommodate the choices and give characters the time in the spotlight they want. Or they can just drop it all in favour of pissing off the people who believed them. And what's to stop them from doing that to the fans of their other games? You see, what you are proposing is a product that is not marketable. It breaks the trust between the developer and the consumer. It is, effectively, corporate suicide.
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Post by warden on Sept 19, 2019 20:36:32 GMT
I have the solution for Anthem, include gacha and make it a big triple A style mobile game. Legendary skins with 0.25% pull rates and you are done.
start the money rolling baby.
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Post by fuchsteufelswild on Sept 19, 2019 20:45:39 GMT
I don't understand Bioware's insistence on timed content. Do they not realize the game doesn't have enough good content as it is, so why just add temporary content? Bioware needs to take this on the chin and take a long look in the mirror and decide whether this live-service model works for them (it doesn't). With what we have seen with Anthem, does anyone actually believe they are going to make a good game with DA4? I certainly don't. It's incredible to me that Bioware could go from my all time favorite developer for years to one that I actively want to fail. Oh I know this trope-y old horse has been beaten to death, but could it be orders from up on high (not necessarily corporate Barad-dรปr) to turn Anthem into a lean mean FOMO machine?
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Post by clips7 on Sept 20, 2019 1:53:04 GMT
They'd go nuts right up until it turns out that what's coming back isn't their Shepard, but one whose life has been ettconed up the wazoo to make another game possible. Not really...the extended version showcased Shep breathing as if to indicate he survived the chaotic destruction. And anybody with common sense knows that Bioware wasn't going to please everybody with the endings. You got the ending depending on how you played and what you did in the game. And with solid writing you can create a compelling story to bring Shep back without it being cheesey or space magic. Players should not go in with the thought of the next Mass Effect thinking "hey my Shep didn't do this...or hey my Shep shouldn't be looking like this etc,,,"be proud of the ending you got, enjoy the experience of the trilogy and move on. Years ago when i played Silent Hill 2, you would get over 5 outcomes i believe depending on what you did with with James character...you could end up committing suicide...leaving the town, or trying to perform a ritual to bring his dead wife back.....at the time folks in the SH community discussed what endings they got depending on what they did....fans here should act accordingly. To be fair for the most part Bioware stated that your decisions would effect the games going forward and to a degree it did....decisions you made in ME2 transitioned over to 3 in terms of characters and the relationship you had with them or whether or not they died in 2....don't want to get off topic...just saying that Shep would generate a lot more buzz than Andromeda 2 starring the Ryder twins....folks also don't understand the insane amount of coding/testing it takes to properly insure your game saves transition seamlessly to react accordingly to what you did in previous games.... Yes ultimately it means Bioware has to pick a canon ending and run with it (destruction ending), but if it means bringing Shep and the crew back in a believable fashion, i think fans will forgive them if the story is solid.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 20, 2019 2:33:36 GMT
I thought THIS is the community... oh wait... barely a several dozens of Bioware fans post in bsn.boards, barely a dozen or two in the Anthem forum. Well, they traded us for that other community and now they traded that community, apparently, for the EA forums community and I'm just wondering how long that community has before they ditch that community for ... I don't know, tumblr? yahoo mail? Influencers. Which apparently doesn't work as well (see Apex Legends after those paid off no longer get paid).
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 20, 2019 2:39:08 GMT
They'd go nuts right up until it turns out that what's coming back isn't their Shepard, but one whose life has been ettconed up the wazoo to make another game possible. I'll continue to go nuts because I'm far less concerned about attachment to 'my Shepard' (though I was recognition of choices, a new-engine version of the appearance I chose, and some very surprisingly cool consequences of MET choices) than I am attached to the 'Shepard Journey' - something I think can go in whatever wacky direction. That said, whatever the franchise, I'm tired of Bioware going with the same general hero story with tweaks. I want to be something far different, whether it be an overt AI, a spirit (though I like the theories that the Inquisitor is a human shaped spirit copy of someone who died in the explosion), a simulated universe hacker, a dedicated diplomat (dammit, Greedfall snatched that!), etc. That doesn't have to just beat the big bad.
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