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Post by Hrungr on Mar 18, 2020 22:33:33 GMT
Well, at this point it seems pretty likely Francesca's mother was an elf. Some story opportunity there for the future.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2020 22:37:42 GMT
Well, at this point it seems pretty likely Francesca's mother was an elf. Some story opportunity there for the future. What makes you say that?
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 18, 2020 22:48:25 GMT
Well, at this point it seems pretty likely Francesca's mother was an elf. Some story opportunity there for the future. What makes you say that? Because every time she uses her powers (whether controlling plants or healing) someone makes a comment on how they usually only see that magic among the elves. One comment I might pass off as coincidence, but two (or more)?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2020 22:57:28 GMT
Because every time she uses her powers (whether controlling plants or healing) someone makes a comment on how they usually only see that magic among the elves. One comment I might pass off as coincidence, but two (or more)? I think it’s as they said just a rare form of magic for humans. Plus besides Aaron, who comments on it twice (because he really wanted to tell that Dalish story ), the only one who comments on it is Fenris. You could be right, but I think if that was the route they were going it would have been set up more like her father calling her a half-blood (let’s be honest he wouldn’t even have raised her if she was) while now there’s no way for that to be built since everyone in her family is dead. I think it’s better if she is a full human since that leads to a mystery of why she became attuned to that kind of magic. Was it just because she originally used it for beauty like making flowers grow, or is there more to it?
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 18, 2020 23:13:45 GMT
Because every time she uses her powers (whether controlling plants or healing) someone makes a comment on how they usually only see that magic among the elves. One comment I might pass off as coincidence, but two (or more)? I think it’s as they said just a rare form of magic for humans. Plus besides Aaron, who comments on it twice (because he really wanted to tell that Dalish story ), the only one who comments on it is Fenris. You could be right, but I think if that was the route they were going it would have been set up more like her father calling her a half-blood (let’s be honest he wouldn’t even have raised her if she was) while now there’s no way for that to be built since everyone in her family is dead. I think it’s better if she is a full human since that leads to a mystery of why she became attuned to that kind of magic. Was it just because she originally used it for beauty like making flowers grow, or is there more to it? Well, we'll just have to wait and see. To me, it feels like they're hinting pretty hard at this, but not something they had time to get into with this (already busy) series. As for the rest... it sounds like there's the potential for a story there.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 18, 2020 23:42:28 GMT
Well, at this point it seems pretty likely Francesca's mother was an elf. Some story opportunity there for the future. I don't really think that's necessary - besides, so far the writers tell us that elf-blooded humans are human in every respect. The girl may as well simply have a rare gift among humans. Also - Tevinter is built on old Elvenhan lands and who knows what exposure to magic and artifacts hoarded by her family might have shaped her magic? The girl seems sensitive and loves beautiful things - perhaps her goodhearted nature has brought something benevolent AND ancient from the Fade to help her find her gift?
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 18, 2020 23:43:57 GMT
On a related tangent, even though it appears House Invidus has fallen upon hard times with fall of the Venatori, Francesca's father was still referred to as "Magister" Invidus. Does this mean he still had a seat on the Magisterium? And is it now... Magister Francesca?
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 18, 2020 23:45:45 GMT
On a related tangent, even though it appears House Invidus has fallen upon hard times with fall of the Venatori, Francesca's father was still referred to as "Magister" Invidus. Does this mean he still had a seat on the Magisterium? And is it now... Magister Francesca? It's also possible that he may have simply used the title to underline his importance - may have not even got over losing the seat yet, so...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2020 23:55:36 GMT
On a related tangent, even though it appears House Invidus has fallen upon hard times with fall of the Venatori, Francesca's father was still referred to as "Magister" Invidus. Does this mean he still had a seat on the Magisterium? And is it now... Magister Francesca? Rereading Deception, from the sounds of things he was still a Magister since her brother tries making a deal with Olivia when she pretends to be a Magister investigating the various houses of Venatori involvement. If they were already ousted, that bluff wouldn't have worked. So yeah, I guess it is Magister Francesca now. That'd be funny if we thought our Magister connection was going to be Dorian or Maevaris but it turned out to be Francesca.
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Post by samurailink on Mar 18, 2020 23:56:23 GMT
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Post by devotionage on Mar 19, 2020 0:20:38 GMT
Listening to you both was great! And learning that you guys read fan headcanons. Esp about Fenris having kids.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2020 0:22:33 GMT
Listening to you both was great! And learning that you guys read fan headcanons. I wonder if they ever have some as inspiration for ideas they do. *crosses fingers for Vaea is Ace/Demi to be canon*
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2020 1:10:09 GMT
My feelings on the characters after reading the final issue:
Francesca: First, it was nice to see her continue to actually care about slaves when she became protective of them when she thought Fenris was going to intimidate and interrogate them. Especially considering the subject included where her father was, thus not willing to go to any means to achieve her goal. Good to see that seems to be a permanent part of her personality. She even got more compliments from Mr. Mage Hater himself. Her face of shock and terror at seeing the humans who were put into the machine exploding was really interesting as well, capturing how despite being a very capable fighter the horrors of war have not desensitized her. On to the main event, her encounter with Dad of the Year. Seeing him just strike her in fury and utterly destroying her verbally, saying things like how the wrong sibling died and how she was useless. It really showed the difference between her and a 'typical Tevinter'. Then of course her pleading with him to stop, and when he doesn't and is about to kill her comrades she has to strike him down. Again, the look of trauma on her face truly captures her persona well as she breaks down from it despite how truly awful he was to her. And that scene with Vaea comforting her is among the most powerful panels I think I've ever read. After the battle, it was nice to see how she went back to her old self instead of becoming the hardened version she was walking towards. From not only forgiving Calix and calling him an ally while she offered hospitality to the man who caused her brother's death, to her face going back to the sweet one we saw earlier as she tended to Casse. And I love the friendship between her and Vaea, with the final close up panel of her smiling and almost giggling as Vaea humors Aaron about telling his story.
Vaea: First, I like how even during war like this she hasn't abandoned her no kill rule, instead just doing things like crippling blows such as throwing a dagger into a knee instead of a chest. I like how her leadership is continuing to show, starting with her trying to calm Fenris down and reassure him. In the main event, her being struck by Francesca's dad when she just tried explaining the situation really helped in hating that guy, not that he needed any help with that since I already loathed him from what he did to Francesca. Then again, her leadership and friendship showing as she stopped Fenris from trying to rationalize Francesca killing her father and instead just embracing her in comfort as she allowed her to grieve in silence. That single panel is among the most powerful I've ever read. I also like how her cheerful personality hasn't disappeared either, from her jabs about Fenris being a big softie despite his claims to the contrary. I also love how the panel before she reinterprets what he says you see a glow around her head showing the mischievous side of her kick in as she sees she was right. I'm also glad to see the relationship between her and Aaron patched up, from her saying with a hand on his shoulder they are a team to humoring him and letting him finally tell his Dalish story. I also love the friendship between her and Francesca as they look at each other at that part.
Autumn: She continues to be such a good girl. It was sad to see the goodbye with her and Calix.
Calix: I have to admit, I didn't see him leaving the group. At least not yet. But as this story showed, his proficiency isn't on this battlefield but the one of the mind and personality. It's good to see him bond with everyone as they said their goodbyes, and as Tessa implied I doubt it's the last we'll see of him.
Aaron: As I said, I'm glad to see things between him and Vaea are fixed, and am happy for him to finally be able to tell his story. It was also neat to see how his caring attitude goes to all life as we see how much he cares for his horse Casse, from protecting him from Gaspard to not wanting to leave him behind. I also loved his line about "We must believe in each other, or else the world is doomed and nothing we do matters."
Marius and Tessa: While they were background characters, it was good to see them in action again. I'm really excited to see what happens in the next story when he confronts the man who trained him.
Fenris: I have to say, this series is probably when I've liked Fenris the most. It was really interesting to see his interactions with Francesca, from his compliments to even defending her which considering his opinion of Tevinter mages is truly a testament to her character. I was also surprised he was sticking around, though it makes sense since the part involving the sarcophagus that made him and his former ally hasn't been resolved.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 19, 2020 1:20:44 GMT
Nunzio DeFilippis @ndefilippisFun podcast (warning: I ramble a LOT) with Christina Weir about #DragonAge #BlueWraith - we also dive into #NewXmen #AcademyX Listening to this it's really interesting hearing that the tone Bioware was going for changed from heists and espionage into dark fantasy and big battles. Maybe DA4 is moving away from the themes planned for Joplin. Well, what they said is that the tone has shifted *slightly*, plus heists and espionage and stuff are still there (same for Tevinter Nights), only more swashbuckling and stuff. So I'd say that so far it appears more like newer iteration of previous themes rather than going away from planned themes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2020 3:44:32 GMT
I think it’s as they said just a rare form of magic for humans. Plus besides Aaron, who comments on it twice (because he really wanted to tell that Dalish story ), the only one who comments on it is Fenris. You could be right, but I think if that was the route they were going it would have been set up more like her father calling her a half-blood (let’s be honest he wouldn’t even have raised her if she was) while now there’s no way for that to be built since everyone in her family is dead. I think it’s better if she is a full human since that leads to a mystery of why she became attuned to that kind of magic. Was it just because she originally used it for beauty like making flowers grow, or is there more to it? Well, we'll just have to wait and see. To me, it feels like they're hinting pretty hard at this, but not something they had time to get into with this (already busy) series. As for the rest... it sounds like there's the potential for a story there. We got an answer. From her thread here:
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Post by devotionage on Mar 19, 2020 7:09:58 GMT
Question of clarification before I give my thoughts. Were the humans that Nenealeus used as 'sacrifices' slaves? Is that why he offered them Soporati / Laetan status for their families as a reward? Curious to find out more about how the Tevinter class/ caste system works.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2020 7:18:13 GMT
Question of clarification before I give my thoughts. Were the humans that Nenealeus used as 'sacrifices' slaves? Is that why he offered them Soporati / Laetan status for their families as a reward? Curious to find out more about how the Tevinter class/ caste system works. Yes, they were slaves hence like you said for their sacrifice their families became free citizens. Similar to Fenris’s family when he went through the procedure.
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Post by devotionage on Mar 19, 2020 7:23:48 GMT
But wouldn't that mean they'd be liberati who are 'freed slaves' like Fenris' family was? Unless Nenealeus has the power to bypass that and make them one class up from that (which is Soporati/ Laetan)? Or he's evil and is just lying to them/ doesn't care to hold his end of the bargain like most baddies do.
Edit: or maybe they *were* already freed slaves who were promised Soporati status?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2020 7:27:20 GMT
But wouldn't that mean they'd be liberati who are 'freed slaves' like Fenris' family was? Unless Nenealeus has the power to bypass that and make them one class up from that (which is Soporati/ Laetan)? Or he's evil and is just lying to them/ doesn't care to hold his end of the bargain like most baddies do. Liberati are part of the soporati class. Soporati is just the common non-magical citizens. Liberati are just soporati who were once slaves, compared to others like Krem who were born soporati.
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Post by devotionage on Mar 19, 2020 7:32:23 GMT
Oh a subclass! Okay, got it. Thank you!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2020 7:36:47 GMT
Oh a subclass! Okay, got it. Thank you! You’re welcome. And yeah, it’s a subclass of that class. They also aren’t treated as well or have all the same rights as people born into that class due to being former slaves. It’s kind of like how despite city elves and human commoners both being part of the same basic class, city elves are treated worse since they are seen as lesser. Then Laetan are basically middle class since they are mages from commoner bloodlines, and Altus are upper class since they descend from the Dreamers of ancient Tevinter.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 19, 2020 9:06:35 GMT
Do we know if liberati status is a one generation thing? Like, are children born after their parents were released from slavery just plain soporati? Or maybe second generation (ie grandkids) are soporati?
Given the source material of ancient Rome that their class system is based off of, I would assume so. But I don't know if its stated anywhere.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 19, 2020 11:33:35 GMT
On a related tangent, even though it appears House Invidus has fallen upon hard times with fall of the Venatori, Francesca's father was still referred to as "Magister" Invidus. Does this mean he still had a seat on the Magisterium? And is it now... Magister Francesca? Rereading Deception, from the sounds of things he was still a Magister since her brother tries making a deal with Olivia when she pretends to be a Magister investigating the various houses of Venatori involvement. If they were already ousted, that bluff wouldn't have worked. So yeah, I guess it is Magister Francesca now. That'd be funny if we thought our Magister connection was going to be Dorian or Maevaris but it turned out to be Francesca. Huh. Maybe that's part of the reason why her brother died in the story. So that she would be the only possible heir.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 19, 2020 18:49:20 GMT
On a related tangent, even though it appears House Invidus has fallen upon hard times with fall of the Venatori, Francesca's father was still referred to as "Magister" Invidus. Does this mean he still had a seat on the Magisterium? And is it now... Magister Francesca? I doubt that every Magister who supported the Venatori was stripped of their title. Alexius was made an example of to discourage others from joining their ranks but he had very obviously left the Magisterium and headed south. In the Mage Killer series the Archon employed Tessa and Marius to kill off key members of the Venatori within Tevinter because he couldn't act against them directly. Once Corypheus had been defeated, it would seem that his supporters went to ground to avoid the fall out but hadn't totally abandoned their idea of pursuing Tevinter supremacy. So I'd say that if her father was Magister Invidus that was because he still held his family seat, then technically Francesca will have inherited the position unless her father had deliberately disinherited her before his death and selected another relative (brother, cousin, nephew/neice, etc) for the succession.
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