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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2019 16:03:18 GMT
What nachos said. If live services was just a rebranding of previous practices in DA of having DLC and multiplayer, it’d be no big deal. But those are standard practices at this point. If the normal stuff is all LS mean then they should not have needed to reboot the game to add live services. But we know they did. Thus live services means something other than the stuff weve seen before from the franchise. Edit: * lilyenachaos . Sorry. Autocorrect. lol But we know they didn't just reboot DA to "add live services" - we know that DA4 changed its codebase for one from Anthem (aside from resetting DA4's funding). I imagine that alone adds different functionalities that go beyond what DA's Frostbite version could do. Don't forget that they've spent weeks, if not moths, fighting Frostbite to add Black Emprium to DAI. If now they can add one in a fly, etc? It's possible that it was a gamechanger to a point where the game had to be redesigned from grounds up, even if content won't change that much.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 25, 2019 17:17:48 GMT
I find it really hard to believe that switching to a new codebase on the same engine required them to scrap everything (including the storyline) and start over. I don't know the first thing about coding though so...
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2019 18:02:45 GMT
I find it really hard to believe that switching to a new codebase on the same engine required them to scrap everything (including the storyline) and start over. I don't know the first thing about coding though so... Can you please point me to a place where anyone said that they scrapped everything, including the storyline?
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 25, 2019 18:07:36 GMT
I find it really hard to believe that switching to a new codebase on the same engine required them to scrap everything (including the storyline) and start over. I don't know the first thing about coding though so... Can you please point me to a place where anyone said that they scrapped everything, including the storyline? That article talked about the original plan for the story. I don't remember the details.
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 25, 2019 18:15:39 GMT
Can you please point me to a place where anyone said that they scrapped everything, including the storyline? That article talked about the original plan for the story. I don't remember the details. I've re-read Schreier's article, and I don't really remember reading anything pointing to everything being scrapped. Especially when it actually said that parts of Joplin would influence Morrison's development. Seems to me like that means they'd be salvaging what they can. Particularly in terms of story, as that doesn't take programming, only a paper and pen.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2019 18:37:24 GMT
Can you please point me to a place where anyone said that they scrapped everything, including the storyline? That article talked about the original plan for the story. I don't remember the details. Those original plans for the story were so archaic that Schreier warned in that very article that - even with no reboot! - the story of DA4 may have had looked completely different in the end The article itself makes it quite apparent that what Schreier knows is quite outdated and that he doesn't really have much information on new DA4 - he probably knows a lot of people in Bioware just... not necessarily those working on DA4. Or they keep their mouths pretty shut. Over here, however, we have a lurking Lead combat designer who sometimes leaves likes on posts like this: “Cancel” may not imply all it may seem here. If they were rebooting the project they would probably recycle as much of the old work as they could. I suspect that what they mean about using Anthem’s code base is for more low level functionality like cutscenes, inventory and event triggers that is lacking at base Frostbite. All in all - the version of game the Schreier described was so early it may not have had survived even the smoothest game dev process, once they actually began hammering out their ideas. For all we know, there may have been less Joplin in Joplin than in re-booted Morrison. We just don't know what they scrapped and what they preserved - most what we know is that, for the current game, they changed the codebase for one that is more current and actively tested in live game, and that whatever they've spent on previous iteration won't be counted in budget for the game = more money for current iteration, I guess. So, Morrisson may just be a redressing of Joplin. The name of the project definitely suggests that, given that Morrison was contemporary to Joplin and both had very similar career paths.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 25, 2019 21:41:26 GMT
Just a reminder that a certain journalist is a hack.
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 25, 2019 22:02:47 GMT
Just a reminder that a certain journalist is a hack. Considering that a certain journalist always tends to be spot on with his stories...
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Post by colfoley on Nov 25, 2019 22:08:33 GMT
Just a reminder that a certain journalist is a hack. Considering that a certain journalist always tends to be spot on with his stories... his accuracy on some of his more bolder claims has yet to be determined. Also given the general vagaries and since he admitted he doesen't actually know anything he is bound to be right...afterall the fortune teller at the carnival is *usually* right.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 25, 2019 22:10:23 GMT
Considering that a certain journalist always tends to be spot on with his stories... his accuracy on some of his more bolder claims has yet to be determined. Also given the general vagaries and since he admitted he doesen't actually know anything he is bound to be right...afterall the fortune teller at the carnival is *usually* right. He's come across as a total jerk, but his info has been pretty accurate.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 25, 2019 22:12:08 GMT
his accuracy on some of his more bolder claims has yet to be determined. Also given the general vagaries and since he admitted he doesen't actually know anything he is bound to be right...afterall the fortune teller at the carnival is *usually* right. He's come across as a total jerk, but his info has been pretty accurate. that was going to be my second point.
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 25, 2019 22:15:16 GMT
his accuracy on some of his more bolder claims has yet to be determined. Also given the general vagaries and since he admitted he doesen't actually know anything he is bound to be right...afterall the fortune teller at the carnival is *usually* right. He's come across as a total jerk, but his info has been pretty accurate. Honestly, from people in his line of work, I value accuracy over politeness, so I have zero problems with him so far.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 25, 2019 22:53:03 GMT
He's come across as a total jerk, but his info has been pretty accurate. Honestly, from people in his line of work, I value accuracy over politeness, so I have zero problems with him so far. The first issue I ever had with him was that Dragon Age article. It contained only known information about DA4 and reading through it carefully it didn’t seem like he had actually received any new information since the reboot, about eighteen months before he wrote the article. Yet he presented it as if the reboot was a recent event and he was knowledgeable about its development. Just prior to that BioWare had refused to be interviewed about what they seemed to assume would be a blame game hitpiece by Schrier about Anthem and made a public statement about it, which he seemed angry about. So it seemed to me that he wrote it out of pettiness.
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 25, 2019 23:32:50 GMT
Honestly, from people in his line of work, I value accuracy over politeness, so I have zero problems with him so far. The first issue I ever had with him was that Dragon Age article. It contained only known information about DA4 and reading through it carefully it didn’t seem like he had actually received any new information since the reboot, about eighteen months before he wrote the article. Yet he presented it as if the reboot was a recent event and he was knowledgeable about its development. Just prior to that BioWare had refused to be interviewed about what they seemed to assume would be a blame game hitpiece by Schrier about Anthem and made a public statement about it, which he seemed angry about. So it seemed to me that he wrote it out of pettiness. Yeah, I can see that. At the very least, only Schreier and the developers know the truth of the article... and yes, if anything's inaccurate in that article, it's the result of outdated information... be it deliberate or otherwise. Fortunately, when official information on DA4 is released, and when the game comes out, the legitimacy of that article will be mostly irrelevant, as the main concern will be, "will it be better than the last 2 games?" And, if all goes well, it will.
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Post by river82 on Nov 25, 2019 23:44:17 GMT
Once again the rule of thumb about Schreier is that his leaks are usually 100% accurate but his other articles are usually more dubious. And considering he's been leaking stuff for years, stretching right back to the title of Destiny's expansion and further, that's more impressive than any other journalist in gaming. And before anyone brings up the AskADev article, they never rebuffed any of Schreier's points, all they said was he's a sensationalist … which he is, and that his info may not be up to date, which was never the point. But considering they a) have friends in Bioware and b ) I'm pretty certain they've worked in Bioware before, just like people need to understand Schreier amps up the negative aspects people also need to understand AskADev will downplay the negative aspects. That Schreier leaked worrying aspects of Bioware's culture was pretty satisfying. Not because it's surprising but because some people needed to know that no studio is exempt from that stuff - katiechironis.com/2019/11/20/career-corner-2-should-i-switch-into-games/
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 26, 2019 0:00:39 GMT
He's come across as a total jerk, but his info has been pretty accurate. Honestly, from people in his line of work, I value accuracy over politeness, so I have zero problems with him so far. Unfortunetly though how someone feels about something influences how they write about something. Think about DA2 I heard people complain about combat and other people praise the combat for the same reason other people hate it.
And in politics you can hear people make something sound good even when it's something you hate (then when you realize what they are actually saying you go wait a minute). So someone being negative about something may make something good sound like something horrible.
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Post by river82 on Nov 26, 2019 0:05:15 GMT
And in politics you can hear people make something sound good even when it's something you hate (then when you realize what they are actually saying you go wait a minute).
They usually just use a lot of words to say nothing or take things out of context (when they're not actually completely mis-reporting something). It's usually pretty incompetent stuff
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Post by Serza on Nov 26, 2019 22:04:14 GMT
Ain't he the feller who openly took to Twitter shaming BW fans because they disagreed with what he vomited onto the keyboard that particular time?
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Post by river82 on Nov 26, 2019 22:10:11 GMT
Ain't he the feller who openly took to Twitter shaming BW fans because they disagreed with what he vomited onto the keyboard that particular time? Yeah that was pretty funny. I remember some denizens chucking a tanturm when Schreier told them Andromeda wouldn't get any single player DLC, then deleting their accounts when Schreier was, yet again, completely correct. Typical social media bullying behaviour by Schreier but if people want to engage in stupid behaviour on the internet their screen names should be random and not in any way a connection to their real self.
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Post by Serza on Nov 26, 2019 22:18:16 GMT
Ain't he the feller who openly took to Twitter shaming BW fans because they disagreed with what he vomited onto the keyboard that particular time? Yeah that was pretty funny. I remember some denizens chucking a tanturm when Schreier told them Andromeda wouldn't get any single player DLC, then deleting their accounts when Schreier was, yet again, completely correct. Typical social media bullying behaviour by Schreier but if people want to engage in stupid behaviour on the internet their screen names should be random and not in any way a connection to their real self.
"Oh yeah he did a shitty thing but it's perfectly ok because...."
Geez, just listen to yourself. Being a little shit ain't cool, no matter your reasons.
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Post by river82 on Nov 26, 2019 22:20:24 GMT
Yeah that was pretty funny. I remember some denizens chucking a tanturm when Schreier told them Andromeda wouldn't get any single player DLC, then deleting their accounts when Schreier was, yet again, completely correct. Typical social media bullying behaviour by Schreier but if people want to engage in stupid behaviour on the internet their screen names should be random and not in any way a connection to their real self.
"Oh yeah he did a shitty thing but it's perfectly ok because...."
Geez, just listen to yourself. Being a little shit ain't cool, no matter your reasons.
Point out where I said it was "perfectly okay" or drop the strawmanning. One or the other.
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Post by Serza on Nov 26, 2019 22:21:47 GMT
"Oh yeah he did a shitty thing but it's perfectly ok because...."
Geez, just listen to yourself. Being a little shit ain't cool, no matter your reasons.
Point out where I said it was "perfectly okay" or drop the strawmanning. One or the other.
Do you mean to say the "but" was not precisely what it looked like?
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Post by river82 on Nov 26, 2019 22:24:23 GMT
Point out where I said it was "perfectly okay" or drop the strawmanning. One or the other.
Do you mean to say the "but" was not precisely what it looked like?
Congratulations I used the word "but", the 23rd most used word in the English language, Now point out where I said it was "perfectly okay" or drop the strawmanning. One or the other.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 26, 2019 22:28:36 GMT
bsn.boards.net/post/1185130/threadCriticizing a non-personal entity (like a corporation) is OK within reason, as is criticizing a public figure such as a celebrity or politician. Just a reminder to head off anything stupid - the journalist in question - whatever our personal thoughts/feelings about them may be - is a person who was doing their job. Criticising their job performance - as it is in the public sphere of an area of interest to everyone on this forum - is fine to "within reason". You can even, to an extent, criticise motivation if you feel it's appropriate. What we won't be doing is devolving into attacks like what we saw back in the MEA DLC days. Thanks.
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Post by river82 on Nov 26, 2019 22:30:59 GMT
bsn.boards.net/post/1185130/threadCriticizing a non-personal entity (like a corporation) is OK within reason, as is criticizing a public figure such as a celebrity or politician. Just a reminder to head off anything stupid - the journalist in question - whatever our personal thoughts/feelings about them may be - is a person who was doing their job. Criticising their job performance - as it is in the public sphere of an area of interest to everyone on this forum - is fine to "within reason". You can even, to an extent, criticise motivation if you feel it's appropriate. What we won't be doing is devolving into attacks like what we saw back in the MEA DLC days.Thanks. Yeah that was a fun time for the forum ... and a silly time. Mostly silly actually.
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