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Post by Sanunes on Dec 5, 2019 15:04:36 GMT
I'm actually curious now if Respawn will have to also be brought into the fold with Frostbite; now that SW:JFO is out. Patrick Soderlund was the EA exec pushing that initiative and he's not there any more...though I'm sure for cost/profit reasons EA would obviously prefer their games be made on Frostbite. Apex Legends uses the Source engine and "SWJFO" used Unreal 4 on two successful launches so I'm not sure how eager EA is to mess with that formula. I just wonder if people would have been as forgiving with BioWare as they have been with Respawn with problems with the game. I know I beat a dead horse, but Respawn ran into engine problems with Fallen Order and they even have an elevator lift sequence were the animation for the wall movement is backwards. I remember how people meme'd the heck out of a gun pointing backwards in Andromeda. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed my time with Fallen Order, but I had more technical problems and control issues with it then I did with either Andromeda or Anthem. Combined with the loading issues that seems at least from the articles I read almost a universal problem.
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Post by samhain444 on Dec 5, 2019 18:41:12 GMT
Patrick Soderlund was the EA exec pushing that initiative and he's not there any more...though I'm sure for cost/profit reasons EA would obviously prefer their games be made on Frostbite. Apex Legends uses the Source engine and "SWJFO" used Unreal 4 on two successful launches so I'm not sure how eager EA is to mess with that formula. I just wonder if people would have been as forgiving with BioWare as they have been with Respawn with problems with the game. I know I beat a dead horse, but Respawn ran into engine problems with Fallen Order and they even have an elevator lift sequence were the animation for the wall movement is backwards. I remember how people meme'd the heck out of a gun pointing backwards in Andromeda. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed my time with Fallen Order, but I had more technical problems and control issues with it then I did with either Andromeda or Anthem. Combined with the loading issues that seems at least from the articles I read almost a universal problem. Yep, I got those as well. I think there is multiple reasons for the lack of backlash: 1) Respawn put out the "Titanfall" series which was critical success with mid-80's ratings. While the first one sold well, the second one, despite it's very positive reaction in the gaming community, was seen as a sales casualty of it's release schedule between "Battlefield 1" and "Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare" as it was projected by EA to sell between 9 to 10 million copies and it sold around 4 million. Then, in early 2019, they drop "Apex Legends" out of the blue with no marketing build-up and it caught fire. So, in regards to Respawn, you have developer that produced a few well received games and was looked upon with some sympathy...maybe even viewed a bit as an "underdog". Conversely, "Andromeda" was following a beloved trilogy set in the same universe who's last entry ended on such a sour note for some fans that, to this day, they'll tell you the ending of "Mass Effect 3" ruined the entire trilogy for them. The backlash to the endings were worrisome and borderline insane between "Hold the Line" and "Take Back Mass Effect" and the Penny Arcade charity and multi-colored, same-flavored cupcakes...this does not dissipate easily. The knives were out for "Andromeda" if what we got was not perfect and, unfortunately, it was just a good, not great, game. To add to it, EA exposed the game for a solid week, pre day 1 patch, to the 10 hr EA Access trial that allowed "Addison's Tired Face" memes, among others, to plague it pre-release. BioWare was not viewed as an underdog...they were fair game and pummeled it in articles and on social media leading to the ironic situation where the same people who called the game a piece of crap for months also criticized BioWare for not releasing more of it in the form of SP DLC. Then, "Anthem" gets announced at E3 2017 soon as after the "Andromeda" debacle and it's not a traditional BioWare RPG, leading to a lot of "no one asked for this game". Again, it had to perfect to overcome mitigate the doubters and, as we saw, it was far from it with, again, EA committing to the baffling decision of releasing a clearly flawed game to early access before the day one patch. Not to mention it was released only a few weeks after the enthusiastically embraced "Apex Legends". Respawn had the benefit of good will and momentum, BioWare did not. 2) "Jedi: Fallen Order" is a single player focused game with no microtransactions. Whether it's imagined or real, there seems to be the very tangible belief that single player/story focused games are in jeopardy of being crushed under the weight of the push for live service games so there is a strong effort to prop up this game and games like it (The Outer Worlds, CONTROL) to show the publishers "Hey, look, single player games generate money and good hype for you", often overlooking very obvious technical and narrative issues in the process. Games like "Jedi: Fallen Order" absolutely HAVE to succeed...and games like "Anthem" (and "Battllefront II", using the same IP) have to be degraded in the process for not being what "JFO" is. 3) "Star Wars" is a universally loved IP with 40+ years of developed lore and hype that has such a vanilla main character and simplistic approach that, despite it's Soulsborne style combat, it's immediately accessible and will generate interest by the the IP's name alone. Anthem? "What's that" and "who gives a shit?". People are going to forgive "JFO's" hiccups because they are just more willing to in this case.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 5, 2019 20:42:19 GMT
The knives were out for "Andromeda" if what we got was not perfect and, unfortunately, it was just a good, not great, game.
Very true. Even if MEA was considered a great game by some a LOT of YouTube "influencers" (or as I like to call them loudmouth morons), and useless hardcore gamer trolls would still bash the game regardless of how great it was.
And it's the same going to be the same with DA4 no matter how good (or bad) the game is it will get bashed for not being like The Witcher 3, Greedfall, Skyrim, God of War, Baldur's Gate 3, The Elder Scrolls VI, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2 or whatever is the current new "hot" Western fantasy action/RPG video game of the month is.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2019 20:44:04 GMT
The knives were out for "Andromeda" if what we got was not perfect and, unfortunately, it was just a good, not great, game.
Very true. Even if MEA was considered a great game by some a LOT of YouTube "influencers" (or as I like to call them loudmouth morons), and useless hardcore gamer trolls would still bash the game regardless of how great it was.
And it's the same going to be the same with DA4 no matter how good (or bad) the game is it will get bashed for not being like The Witcher 3, Greedfall, Skyrim, God of War, Baldur's Gate 3, The Elder Scrolls VI, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2 or whatever is the current new "hot" Western fantasy action/RPG video game of the month is.
I just can't wait for all the retroactive love for Andromeda and Inquisition.
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Post by samhain444 on Dec 5, 2019 21:22:43 GMT
Very true. Even if MEA was considered a great game by some a LOT of YouTube "influencers" (or as I like to call them loudmouth morons), and useless hardcore gamer trolls would still bash the game regardless of how great it was.
And it's the same going to be the same with DA4 no matter how good (or bad) the game is it will get bashed for not being like The Witcher 3, Greedfall, Skyrim, God of War, Baldur's Gate 3, The Elder Scrolls VI, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2 or whatever is the current new "hot" Western fantasy action/RPG video game of the month is.
I just can't wait for all the retroactive love for Andromeda and Inquisition. You can go on social media now and see a lot of retroactive appraisal of the game. While, at release, "Andromeda" got a lot of "garbage game" comments and was about 70%/30% negative to positive response, that has flipped as we are nearing three years after release. Lots of "loved this game" or "why was reviewed so poorly" or "haters killed the game". Obviously, if they are just seeing it for the first time now, they have the benefit if seeing the game with all it's post-release patches with a XBox One X sheen so they are getting the best version of the game, which, had it released in that condition 3/21/2017, we may be writing a different history for the franchise. Still, it was never low-70's bad just like it's not mid-to-high 80's good collectively....it's a solid 8 with it's warts and great moments considered. As for "Inquisition", I think the last 24hrs indicates how beloved the franchise is and rather transcends comparisons at this point no matter how many times myopic posters want to invoke "it can't be great because no 'Bloody Baron'!".
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2019 21:48:50 GMT
Most of the retroactive love you'll see for Andromeda will be from people who loved the game when released, put it down, picked it up again years later and rediscovered why they loved it. I seem to recall some Dragon Age 2 fans pushing a narrative hard on social media that looking back DA:2 was great.
I've clicked on a random audience reaction google thing for Andromeda and many of the recent reviews (past 6 months) praising the game keep saying "I've been playing this game since launch" "I've played it 5 times" "I am an old player" "Don't listen to the haters" which is basically just long term fans trying to change perceptions, it doesn't by itself indicate there is a lot of new love for the game.
I don't know where the retroactive love for Andromeda will come from. The exploration was lacking when compared with great open world games that do have "long legs" and the characters were far too light hearted for many people's tastes. I myself missed the tension you had with the crew like you had with Jack and Miranda, or Tali and Legion.
I'd still give it a 7 *shrugs*. It's a good game but not great. 8 to me feels like a score for great games that aren't exceptional.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2019 21:55:20 GMT
Most of the retroactive love you'll see for Andromeda will be from people who loved the game when released, put it down, picked it up again years later and rediscovered why they loved it. I seem to recall some Dragon Age 2 fans pushing a narrative hard on social media that looking back DA:2 was great. I've clicked on a random audience reaction google thing for Andromeda and many of the recent reviews (past 6 months) praising the game keep saying "I've been playing this game since launch" "I've played it 5 times" "I am an old player" "Don't listen to the haters" which is basically just long term fans trying to change perceptions, it doesn't by itself indicate there is a lot of new love for the game. I don't know where the retroactive love for Andromeda will come from. The exploration was lacking when compared with great open world games that do have "long legs" and the characters were far too light hearted for many people's tastes. I myself missed the tension you had with the crew like you had with Jack and Miranda, or Tali and Legion. I'd still give it a 7 *shrugs*. It's a good game but not great. 8 to me feels like a score for great games that aren't exceptional. meh. I'm just noticing what seems to be the trend amongst the troll crowd. "Y game/ product sucks so hard it makes game x, which we hated, look good".
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2019 21:57:43 GMT
Most of the retroactive love you'll see for Andromeda will be from people who loved the game when released, put it down, picked it up again years later and rediscovered why they loved it. I seem to recall some Dragon Age 2 fans pushing a narrative hard on social media that looking back DA:2 was great. I've clicked on a random audience reaction google thing for Andromeda and many of the recent reviews (past 6 months) praising the game keep saying "I've been playing this game since launch" "I've played it 5 times" "I am an old player" "Don't listen to the haters" which is basically just long term fans trying to change perceptions, it doesn't by itself indicate there is a lot of new love for the game. I don't know where the retroactive love for Andromeda will come from. The exploration was lacking when compared with great open world games that do have "long legs" and the characters were far too light hearted for many people's tastes. I myself missed the tension you had with the crew like you had with Jack and Miranda, or Tali and Legion. I'd still give it a 7 *shrugs*. It's a good game but not great. 8 to me feels like a score for great games that aren't exceptional. meh. I'm just noticing what seems to be the trend amongst the troll crowd. "Y game/ product sucks so hard it makes game x, which we hated, look good". George Lucas is finally feeling the love
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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2019 22:55:02 GMT
meh. I'm just noticing what seems to be the trend amongst the troll crowd. "Y game/ product sucks so hard it makes game x, which we hated, look good". George Lucas is finally feeling the love lol. Exactly the example I was going to use.
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Post by samhain444 on Dec 5, 2019 23:23:51 GMT
Most of the retroactive love you'll see for Andromeda will be from people who loved the game when released, put it down, picked it up again years later and rediscovered why they loved it. I seem to recall some Dragon Age 2 fans pushing a narrative hard on social media that looking back DA:2 was great. I've clicked on a random audience reaction google thing for Andromeda and many of the recent reviews (past 6 months) praising the game keep saying "I've been playing this game since launch" "I've played it 5 times" "I am an old player" "Don't listen to the haters" which is basically just long term fans trying to change perceptions, it doesn't by itself indicate there is a lot of new love for the game. I don't know where the retroactive love for Andromeda will come from. The exploration was lacking when compared with great open world games that do have "long legs" and the characters were far too light hearted for many people's tastes. I myself missed the tension you had with the crew like you had with Jack and Miranda, or Tali and Legion. I'd still give it a 7 *shrugs*. It's a good game but not great. 8 to me feels like a score for great games that aren't exceptional. See, I am reading a lot of "just picked this game up on XBox Live at $8.99 for the Deluxe Edition and it's terrific, can't understand the hate" or the equivalent in reaction to BioWare's posts on Twitter or Facebook. Obviously, some equivalency of cost to what they receive comes into play but it's nowhere near the level of toxicity it used to be.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2019 23:33:00 GMT
Most of the retroactive love you'll see for Andromeda will be from people who loved the game when released, put it down, picked it up again years later and rediscovered why they loved it. I seem to recall some Dragon Age 2 fans pushing a narrative hard on social media that looking back DA:2 was great. I've clicked on a random audience reaction google thing for Andromeda and many of the recent reviews (past 6 months) praising the game keep saying "I've been playing this game since launch" "I've played it 5 times" "I am an old player" "Don't listen to the haters" which is basically just long term fans trying to change perceptions, it doesn't by itself indicate there is a lot of new love for the game. I don't know where the retroactive love for Andromeda will come from. The exploration was lacking when compared with great open world games that do have "long legs" and the characters were far too light hearted for many people's tastes. I myself missed the tension you had with the crew like you had with Jack and Miranda, or Tali and Legion. I'd still give it a 7 *shrugs*. It's a good game but not great. 8 to me feels like a score for great games that aren't exceptional. See, I am reading a lot of "just picked this game up on XBox Live at $8.99 for the Deluxe Edition and it's terrific, can't understand the hate" or the equivalent in reaction to BioWare's posts on Twitter or Facebook. Obviously, some equivalency of cost to what they receive comes into play but it's nowhere near the level of toxicity it used to be. I see a few of those. For example if you look up Andromeda reviews on Google and click on audience reaction, scroll down the first ten recent reviews and you see 1 "I picked it up recently and it was great" great new customer review. The vast majority of those great new reviews were left by old customers. Twitter however is a great platform if you want to validate your own opinion about something. It's pretty much an echo chamber because you can find a group of people that echo any of your beliefs and you can seclude yourself accordingly. It's not a great platform.
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Post by samhain444 on Dec 6, 2019 0:09:50 GMT
See, I am reading a lot of "just picked this game up on XBox Live at $8.99 for the Deluxe Edition and it's terrific, can't understand the hate" or the equivalent in reaction to BioWare's posts on Twitter or Facebook. Obviously, some equivalency of cost to what they receive comes into play but it's nowhere near the level of toxicity it used to be. I see a few of those. For example if you look up Andromeda reviews on Google and click on audience reaction, scroll down the first ten recent reviews and you see 1 "I picked it up recently and it was great" great new customer review. The vast majority of those great new reviews were left by old customers. Twitter however is a great platform if you want to validate your own opinion about something. It's pretty much an echo chamber because you can find a group of people that echo any of your beliefs and you can seclude yourself accordingly. It's not a great platform. Ok...because Twitter was a shitshow for "ME:A" until the last, I'd say, year and a half because people who held off on buying the game due to its initial reception finally bought it a year or two later and were either meh about it or they enjoyed it...kind of like most games. No hyperbole or hyperventilating. So the whole "validate my own opinion" thing has not really been my experience on Twitter
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Post by river82 on Dec 6, 2019 0:27:55 GMT
I see a few of those. For example if you look up Andromeda reviews on Google and click on audience reaction, scroll down the first ten recent reviews and you see 1 "I picked it up recently and it was great" great new customer review. The vast majority of those great new reviews were left by old customers. Twitter however is a great platform if you want to validate your own opinion about something. It's pretty much an echo chamber because you can find a group of people that echo any of your beliefs and you can seclude yourself accordingly. It's not a great platform. Ok...because Twitter was a shitshow for "ME:A" until the last, I'd say, year and a half because people who held off on buying the game due to its initial reception finally bought it a year or two later and were either meh about it or they enjoyed it...kind of like most games. No hyperbole or hyperventilating. So the whole "validate my own opinion" thing has not really been my experience on Twitter Twitter is vast, there are hundreds of millions of people on twitter. So in this vast gathering of people how many say they recently bought it and it was great? And how many tweets are out there of people who have always loved Andromeda and are still professing their love? Would you say the noise made from new fans is anywhere near the same proportion as the continuing noise made from old fans? People will always try out older games and some of those people will undoubtedly enjoy the experience, but to say there's any sort of meaningful retroactive love, that differs from other games, is just ... there's no data that fits that conclusion. You saw a (relative) few people on twitter who said they recently bought it and enjoyed it and have extrapolated that to a conclusion which doesn't fit. Twitter was a shitshow because millions of people bought Andromeda and there was a large angry mob when they were disappointed. That angry mob has largely moved on so what is left is mostly the people who have always loved the game sprinkled in with new people joining. The noise has gone down because most of the people have moved on.
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Post by samhain444 on Dec 6, 2019 1:39:36 GMT
Ok...because Twitter was a shitshow for "ME:A" until the last, I'd say, year and a half because people who held off on buying the game due to its initial reception finally bought it a year or two later and were either meh about it or they enjoyed it...kind of like most games. No hyperbole or hyperventilating. So the whole "validate my own opinion" thing has not really been my experience on Twitter Twitter is vast, there are hundreds of millions of people on twitter. So in this vast gathering of people how many say they recently bought it and it was great? And how many tweets are out there of people who have always loved Andromeda and are still professing their love? Would you say the noise made from new fans is anywhere near the same proportion as the continuing noise made from old fans? People will always try out older games and some of those people will undoubtedly enjoy the experience, but to say there's any sort of meaningful retroactive love, that differs from other games, is just ... there's no data that fits that conclusion. You saw a (relative) few people on twitter who said they recently bought it and enjoyed it and have extrapolated that to a conclusion which doesn't fit. Twitter was a shitshow because millions of people bought Andromeda and there was a large angry mob when they were disappointed. That angry mob has largely moved on so what is left is mostly the people who have always loved the game sprinkled in with new people joining. The noise has gone down because most of the people have moved on. Nah...it's a lot more than a few but, whatever, sorry, I haven't been scrawling a line to mark everytime someone had something positive to say. The general feel is there is less accounts with Joker or anime avatars sporting 3 followers screeching at the devs about the game than there was 2 years ago but I'm sure those were all legitimate consumers venting about their disappointing purchase back then.
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Post by river82 on Dec 6, 2019 1:55:39 GMT
Twitter is vast, there are hundreds of millions of people on twitter. So in this vast gathering of people how many say they recently bought it and it was great? And how many tweets are out there of people who have always loved Andromeda and are still professing their love? Would you say the noise made from new fans is anywhere near the same proportion as the continuing noise made from old fans? People will always try out older games and some of those people will undoubtedly enjoy the experience, but to say there's any sort of meaningful retroactive love, that differs from other games, is just ... there's no data that fits that conclusion. You saw a (relative) few people on twitter who said they recently bought it and enjoyed it and have extrapolated that to a conclusion which doesn't fit. Twitter was a shitshow because millions of people bought Andromeda and there was a large angry mob when they were disappointed. That angry mob has largely moved on so what is left is mostly the people who have always loved the game sprinkled in with new people joining. The noise has gone down because most of the people have moved on. Nah...it's a lot more than a few but, whatever, sorry, I haven't been scrawling a line to mark everytime someone had something positive to say. The general feel is there is less accounts with Joker or anime avatars sporting 3 followers screeching at the devs about the game than there was 2 years ago but I'm sure those were all legitimate consumers venting about their disappointing purchase back then. It's a few, relatively speaking. Relative to the vastness of twitter, relative to the size of the backlash, relative to the size of the fanbase continuously expressing their love on twitter. Shrink it down to an easily measurable size and I wouldn't be surprised if it matches my 1 in 10 sample above (1 gushing new fan to 10 gushing old fans). Twitter tends to magnify voices though. Poor anime fans ... never get any love
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Post by fchopin on Dec 6, 2019 2:49:18 GMT
This thread is about Dragon Age and not Andromeda.
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This thread is about Dragon Age and not Andromeda. No! It's about winning! It's about crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their family! . . . . . Yes, indeed, time to go back to Dragon Age related content as this thread intended. Carry on...
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Post by Addictress on Dec 6, 2019 8:25:21 GMT
Yeah I was thinking about Andromeda and Twitter and got all pent up about to write a post about how Andromeda is still a disappointment even in retrospect but then someone woke me up and pointed out that this thread is a Dragon Age thread. And I went "...whoa."
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 6, 2019 13:54:25 GMT
I just can't wait for all the retroactive love for Andromeda and Inquisition. You can go on social media now and see a lot of retroactive appraisal of the game. While, at release, "Andromeda" got a lot of "garbage game" comments and was about 70%/30% negative to positive response, that has flipped as we are nearing three years after release. Lots of "loved this game" or "why was reviewed so poorly" or "haters killed the game". Obviously, if they are just seeing it for the first time now, they have the benefit if seeing the game with all it's post-release patches with a XBox One X sheen so they are getting the best version of the game, which, had it released in that condition 3/21/2017, we may be writing a different history for the franchise. Still, it was never low-70's bad just like it's not mid-to-high 80's good collectively....it's a solid 8 with it's warts and great moments considered. As for "Inquisition", I think the last 24hrs indicates how beloved the franchise is and rather transcends comparisons at this point no matter how many times myopic posters want to invoke "it can't be great because no 'Bloody Baron'!".
That happens with every sequel to BioWare game.
DA2 is not as good as DAO and when DAI came out everyone then said how DA2 was a superior game despite it flaws (honestly for all the talk of remaking the MET the only BioWare game that I would pre-order a remake today is DA2) and the same with all of ME games and along with Jade Empire and KOTOR 1.
And yeah people already re-evaluating DAI and MEA, and I wouldn't be surprised if even Anthem gets re-evaluated down the road.
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Post by Gwydden on Dec 7, 2019 1:47:13 GMT
Whoa, whoa, everyone here's talking like Inquisition had a bad reception, but when it released that was not the case at all. It became Game of the Year for 2014 and supposedly made more money than any previous Bioware RPG. I fail to see the positive "reevaluation" there. If anything, it's the opposite: people liked the game when it came out, then promptly forgot about it once TW3's ridiculous success overshadowed it.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 7, 2019 12:57:59 GMT
Whoa, whoa, everyone here's talking like Inquisition had a bad reception, but when it released that was not the case at all. It became Game of the Year for 2014 and supposedly made more money than any previous Bioware RPG. I fail to see the positive "reevaluation" there. If anything, it's the opposite: people liked the game when it came out, then promptly forgot about it once TW3's ridiculous success overshadowed it. When people were talking about the GotY there was a constant narrative about how BioWare got lucky because Inquisition was such a letdown it would have lost horribly to The Witcher 3 and also because there was no competition for Inquisition was the only reason why it won awards. The backlash was after people bought the game and started to complain about it, unlike Andromeda there wasn't a free ten hour trial before complaints started they had to buy the game first.
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Post by biggydx on Dec 7, 2019 15:25:32 GMT
Whoa, whoa, everyone here's talking like Inquisition had a bad reception, but when it released that was not the case at all. It became Game of the Year for 2014 and supposedly made more money than any previous Bioware RPG. I fail to see the positive "reevaluation" there. If anything, it's the opposite: people liked the game when it came out, then promptly forgot about it once TW3's ridiculous success overshadowed it. When people were talking about the GotY there was a constant narrative about how BioWare got lucky because Inquisition was such a letdown it would have lost horribly to The Witcher 3 and also because there was no competition for Inquisition was the only reason why it won awards. The backlash was after people bought the game and started to complain about it, unlike Andromeda there wasn't a free ten hour trial before complaints started they had to buy the game first. What I find funny is that, while 2014 was a bad year for certain games (the biggest being the launch of Destiny), there were a number of games that released that year that still did well. These games included: Dark Souls Wolfenstein: The New Order Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor Divinity: Original Sin Titanfall Bayonetta 2
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 7, 2019 15:36:14 GMT
Whoa, whoa, everyone here's talking like Inquisition had a bad reception, but when it released that was not the case at all. It became Game of the Year for 2014 and supposedly made more money than any previous Bioware RPG. I fail to see the positive "reevaluation" there. If anything, it's the opposite: people liked the game when it came out, then promptly forgot about it once TW3's ridiculous success overshadowed it. When people were talking about the GotY there was a constant narrative about how BioWare got lucky because Inquisition was such a letdown it would have lost horribly to The Witcher 3 and also because there was no competition for Inquisition was the only reason why it won awards. The backlash was after people bought the game and started to complain about it, unlike Andromeda there wasn't a free ten hour trial before complaints started they had to buy the game first.
Not to mention that all those GOTY awards that BOTH DAI and TW3 won were mostly from the SAME people, websites, youtube loudmouths, conventions, groups, organizations, and so on. It's IMHO a pretty weak defense and argument either way. It's basically like people praising the people who vote for the Oscars that a movie they loved winning the Best Picture Oscar one year and then blasting those same people when a movie that they hated winning the same award the following year.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 7, 2019 15:59:06 GMT
When people were talking about the GotY there was a constant narrative about how BioWare got lucky because Inquisition was such a letdown it would have lost horribly to The Witcher 3 and also because there was no competition for Inquisition was the only reason why it won awards. The backlash was after people bought the game and started to complain about it, unlike Andromeda there wasn't a free ten hour trial before complaints started they had to buy the game first. What I find funny is that, while 2014 was a bad year for certain games (the biggest being the launch of Destiny), there were a number of games that released that year that still did well. These games included: Dark Souls Wolfenstein: The New Order Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor Divinity: Original Sin Titanfall Bayonetta 2 Yeah, I never fully understood that argument that there wasn't any other game that could have won GotY in 2014. Especially after I would list the other games that were released that year and the response would be that those games weren't very good.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 7, 2019 16:52:14 GMT
When people were talking about the GotY there was a constant narrative about how BioWare got lucky because Inquisition was such a letdown it would have lost horribly to The Witcher 3 and also because there was no competition for Inquisition was the only reason why it won awards. The backlash was after people bought the game and started to complain about it, unlike Andromeda there wasn't a free ten hour trial before complaints started they had to buy the game first.
Not to mention that all those GOTY awards that BOTH DAI and TW3 won were mostly from the SAME people, websites, youtube loudmouths, conventions, groups, organizations, and so on. It's IMHO a pretty weak defense and argument either way. It's basically like people praising the people who vote for the Oscars that a movie they loved winning the Best Picture Oscar one year and then blasting those same people when a movie that they hated winning the same award the following year.
Yeah, but the sad thing is even some of those organizations hold BioWare to a different standard. I haven't seen another developer being chastised the same way BioWare has over things in the past. I understand the criticism over Anthem and its faults, but when a "professional website" decides to complain about a backwards facing gun or "my face is tired" and yet won't complain about other games with bad dialogue or screwed up animations it disappoints me for the standard should be universal. I know I have been beating a dead horse in different posts, but the lack of published complaints with the issues about Fallen Order gets to me especially when one of them triggers my motion sickness. Its the same with Frostbite you will see plenty of places criticizing Frostbite for any woe in a BioWare game, but the technical problems in some games with Unreal is ignored. I can understand players being more annoyed by one game or another, but if you want ad revenue from my visits or a month subscription I would like to see a balance and not letting games get away with things. You can see it happening with Bethesda now after Fallout 76 it seems the protective bubble they lived under for so long is gone and now it feels like a glue factory due to so many places being hyper critical.
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