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Post by themikefest on Nov 12, 2019 18:21:42 GMT
What if the thing sent a reaper to Andromeda to look it over to see if it's worth harvesting? While there, something happened that caused the reaper to crash into an unexplored planet. The kett exploring Heleus come across the reaper. They have no idea what it is, but do notice it has technology they've never seen before. Back at kett homeworld, the government sends the military to recover it for study. Over time, they slowly become indoctrinated. Archon travels to the Heleus cluster to exalt.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 12, 2019 19:00:43 GMT
First,excuse my poor english,I will do my best. So...lets take it from the start.Species from MW observed Andromeda for pottential habitable planets(with geth tech help).Why whouldnt Jardaan(which is far more advanced race than MW species),observed MW in 2180's? That is not a given. There is no indication that they were more advanced than Geth. Geth were in process of building a dyson sphere which I think can put them on similar level, if not higher, of technology as Jardaan. Also, just because they knew how to build FTL telscope doesnt mean they would build one. They might not have resources or time to build one, or they were afraid that it could attract the Reapers. Next, even if they could observe MW doesnt mean they could understand everything that is happening there. Geth telescope allowed AI to find golden worlds but they weren't sure if there are alien civilisations there. Its resolution might simply be not up to task. Finally, as I proposed earlier, Crucible could have been activated after Scourge was used against Jardaan.No, thee is a Jardaan recording in game that says that Scourge was deployed by their 'Opposition'.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 12, 2019 20:00:27 GMT
What if the thing sent a reaper to Andromeda to look it over to see if it's worth harvesting? While there, something happened that caused the reaper to crash into an unexplored planet. The kett exploring Heleus come across the reaper. They have no idea what it is, but do notice it has technology they've never seen before. Back at kett homeworld, the government sends the military to recover it for study. Over time, they slowly become indoctrinated. Archon travels to the Heleus cluster to exalt. When you get down to it, "exalting" is just harvesting with the serial numbers filed off.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 12, 2019 23:34:51 GMT
Well, except for the liquefying-and-pouring-you-into-a-Reaper-shell part, but yeah, that's trivial.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 9:32:09 GMT
Well, except for the liquefying-and-pouring-you-into-a-Reaper-shell part, but yeah, that's trivial. Not to mention that Reapers harvested many individuals into one Reaper shell. Exaltation left individuals as individuals and even hinted at the possibility of them retaining some memory of their former life. We're not sure yet how the various Reapers retained the "essence" of what a society comprised of individuals.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 13, 2019 10:37:21 GMT
And what exactly is the point of rehashing the reapers? MEA already suffered from feeling like revisiting the trilogy tropes in less appealing form.
Even if one could create a scenario where the reapers exist in Andromeda, who WANTS that? Andromeda needs its own identity. That was its biggest narrative flaw. Brand new galaxy and they did nothing new with it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 13, 2019 10:42:33 GMT
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 13, 2019 10:49:08 GMT
Jaal's cousin that found the Ard rune from the Witcher. You know, I'll shut up now. That's from the DLC, right? I dint play that.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2019 14:12:29 GMT
Well, except for the liquefying-and-pouring-you-into-a-Reaper-shell part, but yeah, that's trivial. Violently repurposing the genetic material of another species against their will to create more of your own? Close enough.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 13, 2019 18:35:57 GMT
What if the thing sent a reaper to Andromeda to look it over to see if it's worth harvesting? While there, something happened that caused the reaper to crash into an unexplored planet. The kett exploring Heleus come across the reaper. They have no idea what it is, but do notice it has technology they've never seen before. Back at kett homeworld, the government sends the military to recover it for study. Over time, they slowly become indoctrinated. Archon travels to the Heleus cluster to exalt. When you get down to it, "exalting" is just harvesting with the serial numbers filed off. It appeared similar to what Reapers did to Protheans/Collectors and other MW species during the war, but its purpose was indeed closer to what 'harvesting' was.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 13, 2019 21:35:13 GMT
I suppose there's slightly more hope for restoring an exaltation victim than a harvesting victim, according to the datapads on the Archon's flagship.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 13, 2019 21:59:57 GMT
And what exactly is the point of rehashing the reapers? MEA already suffered from feeling like revisiting the trilogy tropes in less appealing form. This is primarily a speculation based on what we know about ME universe. Im trying to show that MEA lore SEEM to indicate that Reapers were in Andromeda, that it could be used the next game, heck, it could have been Bioware's plan for a sequel all along. Why bring them back? Well, it can be a nice little plot twist in MEA2. Plot twists are good. But more importantly it gives developers OPTIONS and allows them to build upon the lore of Milky Way galaxy. It will give us new insight into Reapers, that they were a bigger threat than we imagined during OT. It will allow creators to establish which ME ending is canonincal, if they will ever want to make new ME game in our galaxy. It can set up interesting political situation in Andromeda and show how Reaper war here influenced them. This can make entire galaxy open to exploration thaks to relays, instead of being constrained to small region near Heleus cluster because of their slow FTL. And it might even be possible to establish communication to Milky Way via intergalactic relays, created by Reapers to quickly attack different galaxies. How about Citadel Fleet coming to rescue MEA protagonists during a loosing battle? Led by Admiral Grunt and Matriarch Liara T'Soni to boot. And this Reaper will not be similar to previous ones. It knows it has no one to back it up that it is most likely alone. It has limited resourses and has to be cautious. It is more of a Bond villian rather than a Cthulhu. Why are you so sure people will be against it? If done well it might work. And one Reaper left alive does not preclude that. Rest of Andromeda still has thousands of new races that exist in entrely different setting from MW.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 15, 2019 16:09:23 GMT
But they are native to that galaxy. So why would they choose a cluster in a galaxy that hasn't been visited by them? And again, I'll point out that there's no evidence that the Reapers invade other galaxies. And if they did, that would violate lore that was set up in the MET. If anything, it would make sense for Reapers to spread to other galaxies, given the inevitable "conflict" they are trying to prevent. If intergalactic travel is possible (and clearly it is) then sooner or later, synthetic life from other galaxies will come to the Milky Way and destroy the organic life the Reapers are "preserving" Therefore the logical answer is to go to other galaxies and harvest organic life before this can happen. Reapers are the epitome of Instrumental Convergence Using a same plot is lazy writing however. The OT was about defeating the Reapers. Having them appear in other games, when their story line was concluded, would just piss people off. And what happens when they screw it up again? Would they go to another galaxy and use the same plot again?
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Post by Iakus on Nov 15, 2019 16:21:44 GMT
If anything, it would make sense for Reapers to spread to other galaxies, given the inevitable "conflict" they are trying to prevent. If intergalactic travel is possible (and clearly it is) then sooner or later, synthetic life from other galaxies will come to the Milky Way and destroy the organic life the Reapers are "preserving" Therefore the logical answer is to go to other galaxies and harvest organic life before this can happen. Reapers are the epitome of Instrumental ConvergenceUsing a same plot is lazy writing however. The OT was about defeating the Reapers. Having them appear in other games, when their story line was concluded, would just piss people off. And what happens when they screw it up again? Would they go to another galaxy and use the same plot again? Well, as I've said before I really don't care if they ever make another Mass Effect game again or not. At this point, the setting has been pretty thoroughly trashed, imo. However, the idea that there could be different "broods" of Reapers that have evolved on their own over millions of years, could provide some (potentially) interesting stories.
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Post by Exile Isan on Nov 15, 2019 16:29:17 GMT
I never want to see the Reapers or the protheans for that matter in Andromeda. Those stories are done. We need new stories. I feel like people are clinging to these story elements because the Reaper War didn't end in a satisfying way, but dragging them into the Andromeda galaxy is not going to fix that and to many people it would just be rehashing the ME:OT all over again. Not everything in the Mass Effect universe has to be motivated by the Reapers. I want the Jardaan to have there own motivations completely separate from the Reapers.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 15, 2019 16:35:30 GMT
Using a same plot is lazy writing however. The OT was about defeating the Reapers. Having them appear in other games, when their story line was concluded, would just piss people off. And what happens when they screw it up again? Would they go to another galaxy and use the same plot again? Well, as I've said before I really don't care if they ever make another Mass Effect game again or not. At this point, the setting has been pretty thoroughly trashed, imo. However, the idea that there could be different "broods" of Reapers that have evolved on their own over millions of years, could provide some (potentially) interesting stories. Aye, but it would still be seen as lazy writing. Using more of the same doesn't make for good story telling....
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Nov 15, 2019 16:39:20 GMT
Didnt Mac Walters just say in the N7 day video "totally not reapers" or do I remember wrong?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 15, 2019 16:47:07 GMT
Didnt Mac Walters just say in the N7 day video "totally not reapers" or do I remember wrong? Yeah. And the Arkham Knight new character was totally not Jason Todd.
It just sounds so unconvincing, if it were worded like that.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 15, 2019 16:54:21 GMT
Didnt Mac Walters just say in the N7 day video "totally not reapers" or do I remember wrong? Yeah. And the Arkham Knight new character was totally not Jason Todd.
It just sounds so unconvincing, if it were worded like that.
That was really stupid to do that with Jason. And also out of character for him.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 15, 2019 17:07:45 GMT
Well, as I've said before I really don't care if they ever make another Mass Effect game again or not. At this point, the setting has been pretty thoroughly trashed, imo. However, the idea that there could be different "broods" of Reapers that have evolved on their own over millions of years, could provide some (potentially) interesting stories. Aye, but it would still be seen as lazy writing. Using more of the same doesn't make for good story telling.... Well, the kett are basically organic Reapers, anyway so...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 15, 2019 17:16:01 GMT
Aye, but it would still be seen as lazy writing. Using more of the same doesn't make for good story telling.... Well, the kett are basically organic Reapers, anyway so... ... Yeah. Can see were it's heading...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 3:12:56 GMT
The Kett didn't evolve from some aquatic sea creature. They also don't have indoctrination abilities. They're power structure is different (government). They don't work like a hive mind. They have leaders for each cluster, etc. etc.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 16, 2019 15:11:45 GMT
The Kett didn't evolve from some aquatic sea creature. They also don't have indoctrination abilities. They're power structure is different (government). They don't work like a hive mind. They have leaders for each cluster, etc. etc. Agreed. It's not the same at all. It's just grasping at straws making that comparison.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 16, 2019 17:21:49 GMT
The Kett didn't evolve from some aquatic sea creature. So? They kinda do. They break down the will of their victims in their exaltation facilities before transforming them via the "final exaltation". Not as efficient, but the result is similar. They still want to make all organic life like them. Does it matter if they voted on it or not? "I control the Reapers. They are my solution" Irrelevant. We only dealt with one cluster.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2019 17:36:23 GMT
"I control the Reapers. They are my solution" Still hurts me. I am so disappointed.
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