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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 30, 2019 0:28:55 GMT
This is fun for me thank you. Actually I would believe on the magnitude of 45,000 thousand years. Since they are just slightly less advanced than the Protheans:
It is not baseless.
Its just logistics: So vaults according to the game time line -which they were built during the journey would have taken around 200 years from start to finish to complete. This means that even if they put a vault on every world in the Helius cluster 100+ worlds... Giving that 200 years from start to completion would be 20000 years if completed one after another. The vaults though were probably created in the latter days of the Jardaan civilization and construction may have overlapped with multiple vaults created in the same time frame. No doubt the Jardaan would only put vaults on worlds that could sustain them.
This fits with growing the vaults instead of building them. They could set the vaults to grow and move on to the next one while moving on with relocation of any civilizations and so on.
None of this is my basis for why they would not have completed their plans. My proof is the state of Meridian...
Or did you like so many others just speed run through the ravine of the only garden world/moon... station... dyson sphere? A dyson sphere by the way would take a long time to construct the way it show in game.
The Jardaan in MEA would require a massive amount of material. Very seldom -if ever does a single star system have the necessary materials to build a Dyson Sphere this way. Therefore it would need to be harvested from multiple worlds and multiple star systems in the region. However with as barren as most in the Helius sector is -makes me think they ran into an resource shortage even after scrounging the whole cluster for resources. And IF the Jardaan are from another sector then they would have to bring in resources to Meridian from that location furthering delay.
Not to mention that though Meridian looks finished on the outside it is not even in a complete state on the inside.
Sure there is vegetation... though no housing or animal life or are those pillars the housing? No matter that had not got the animals there which means that at least the relocation of that part of the plan is not yet done.
I find it highly unlikely that the Jardaan would make the sphere to protect plant life alone -lest they were plants themselves.
So at least part of the Jardaan plan was to collect from planets' the plant and animal life and reseed it to Meridian- a nexus point of all their worlds.
A nexus point not yet complete. Are you trying to be self affirming right there?
For that is what you imply: no relays=helius cluster? If not then I ask you what in the methodology would you use to fix that issue considering that there are no relays in Helius?
Now to the core issue: the Andromeda galaxy doesn't just have billions of stars -it has a Trillion or 1,000,000,000,000
The Milky Way -if you want to be graceful could have anywhere between 250,000,000,000 - 400,000,000,000
That is at least 2-3 times the total number of stars in the Milky Way vs the Andromeda.
And you want EVERY star in the galaxy to be visitible in one game?!!!
That is the equivelent of SEVEN to Eight Mass Effect games in scope. I would never put in the effort to visit that many in one game. It would be to tedious by far to even dare want me to even try for the completionist award.
Now if you were to break it apart into several games then maybe sure I could get behind that but all in ONE game? Sorry I got more to do than just game anymore. Furthermore this may complicate Andromeda now:
There is a difference between doing something because you know you can and believing you can do something.
Just because you have the capability doesn't mean it can or will be successful. A species full of pride in ones accomplishments will do as you suggest and put themselves in a horrible position should an outsider and or invader make its presence known. However a wise species would know the difference between the two and not put themselves in such a situation. Pride:
Wise:
My bad that was the wrong post:
That is indeed a better context way to put it however it does bring up issues:
The Angara don't seem to worship the Jardaan -they seem to have a polytheistic religion structure -far removed from the Jardaan
The variant that they were helpers is more warranted than being servants since they live in a individualistic collectivist society: It does not negate the fact the Jardaan made Remnant tech to maintain their equipment upon their disappearance. So more likely than not the Remnant would be the servant or helper race of Jardaan.
Who better to know how to operate your machinery: a machine programmed by you for the far future? Or a child not even taught how to hold a pen right side up and gets ink all over that $200 suit. Still while using them as decoys sounds like a last ditch effort to save themselves and not something that I would see a race that would build a Dyson Sphere in the view of preserving and or creating life as the noble thing any race capable of doing would do.
Yes and with that superiority Reapers would like to do things in the most efficient fashion. Reapers seem to rarely like to do things the hard way since it is inefficient and that drains their resources faster than they would like.
And for machines anything inefficient hinders their ability to accomplish their goals and then return to dark space. While true it would be hard unless there were absolutely no other options I see the Reapers taking most efficient attack method: en Masse. If the galaxy was already set up for it the sure maybe one or two but with no Relays it would be the whole enchilada in my opinion.
The collectors do sound like they were Exalted doesn't it?
Well not exactly.
According to the above they were taken and genetically modified by the Reapers through the use of cybernetics. Then using the indoctrination signal being piped through these implants into being the collectors who will serve them without question.
However if you look above it states that the collectors are always connected to the Reapers -through an Indoctrination link I would believe. Or in other words the Collectors are always being controlled through the signal and will obey the Reaper commands no matter what.
If that link is broken then these collectors -those who survive the breaking of the link will "awake". They must remember who they were and what happened to them at least in some degree to decide to fight back.
As long as the Reapers emit the Indoctrination signal -then the Collectors have no will of their own. Otherwise NOTHING will make them anything more than a race subservient to the Reapers bidding. Break that link and the Collectors will resist and fight against their creators aka the Reapers. Returning to being a race that will fight against the Reapers... almost akin to the free Borg from Star Trek to me.
However with Exaltation the Kett do not use an indoctrination signal nor cybernetic implants.
It is mere crude psychological torture of individual combined with Kett DNA injections that overtime will overwrite the torturee's DNA. This is a slow methodical process of Kett DNA converting them into more of the Kett's own form. The victims here have their old self completely destroyed mind and body and in some cases may actually welcome it. Though some may remember some of their past life but instead of that making them hateful and want to fight back it is a source of terror for them. How they get over this terror I can't remember -if it is more training and torture or shooting themselves or jumping off a cliff and so on.
IF that doesn't turn out to be an issue then when these new Kett advance in rank they get DNA supplement of traits the Kett have acquired.
Traits that they have acquired from other races that they believe are superior and have those grafted as well into their being.
Furthermore there is no over arching Indoctrination signal needed since nothing is needed to be controlled. Since supposedly nothing of the previous individual remains after Exaltation.
Exaltation kind of reminds me of something akin to the Doctor Who villains' the Krillitanes. A species who take the best traits of all species and implement them into themselves. Reaper tame its ego? Seriously?
The Reapers never do anything small.
I believe that if the Reapers were to invade another galaxy they would do it in full force of their numbers -probably leaving one or two behind in the Milky Way like Sovereign was but the majority would go in force.
If you imply that the Reapers have been harvesting Andromeda like the Milky Way then there would be Relays everywhere. No Reapers means no relays and no relays mean no Reapers.
It may not have been sabotage on the space station that initiated the scourge it could have been their completion of a project and the activation led to the scourge release.
Though it is more likely that this translation:
Maybe they have ascended to a higher plane of existence and that took place there.
As a side effect though the station was damaged in the process -a simple accident that did hinder Andromeda very tainted.
However you are right that there is something that the Leviathans did not see... The thing the Leviathans didn't see is that the synthetic creations saw their masters under the subjugaction of the Leviathans and try to get their creators to separate from the Leviathans.
The masters do not want to leave the Leviathans embrace and so war between the two and the synthetics would win.
Leviathans can't understand why this keeps happening and creates the catalyst -second grievous error they have ever made. The first is that the will to be free is universal and only those who have tasted it want freedom. Not just for them but for everyone.
Trying to impose their tribute on civilization while good for them. May seem like servitude or even yes slavery to others. So in the end it is not the synthetics, catalyst or even organics fault.
Just a fault in the Leviathans understanding of the cultures -though they be synthetic and even wanting freedom for them and their creators. That or the Leviathans have got hero worship -them being the heroes -so bad that it has gone... well to their heads -or all over I guess or a combination of the two.
And now their tribute races creations want freedom them and their masters and they themselves don't care to worship the Leviathans and the Leviathans are left wondering: "What happened? What did we do?" "How do we fix this?" Which results in the catalyst and the Reapers and here we go all from a misunderstanding -or even firm hand of no don't leave us. Talk about an addiction. Glad the Reapers got made into the majority now. The pesky ODSY of the Tempest proves this formula just like the Reaper did: But since you didn't do the math for the others here it is: Tempest 95m √95/1.485= 6.56 LYpD <---- Doesn't match what we were given -just wait. (LY per Day)*365= 2395.68 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/9519.2 = 1043.55 (Y to Andromeda)
-------Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 13.13 LYpD <---- ODSY drive doubles the speed of the ship to its listed specs. (LY per Year)2 Becomes 4791.36 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 521.77 Years ---------------------------------------------------------
However the Hyperion and the Nexus speeds destroys that: Hyperion 1500m
√1500/1.485= 26.08 LYpD
(LY per Day)*365= 9519.2 (LY per YEAR)
D2A: 2500000/9519.2 =
262.6271 (Y to Andromeda) -------Doubled by ODSY--------
(LY per Day)2 Becomes 52.04 LYpD
(LY per Year)2 Becomes 19038.4 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 131.3136 Years --------------------------------------------------------- AND THE NEXUS IS THE ONE THAT PROVES THE MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA TRAVEL TIME IS BORKED:
Nexus 15470m
√15470/1.485= 184.7020 LYpD
(LY per Day)*365= 67416.2319 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/67416.2319 =
37.0830574409 (Y to Andromeda) -------Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day) Becomes 369.404 LYpD (LY per Year) Becomes 134832.46 LYpY (Y to Andromeda) Becomes 18.541529243 Years --------------------------------------------------------- Much more attainable but DESTROYS the Mass Effect Andromeda time line. A 605 years erased off the trip. I am game now for a trip to Andromeda. For curiosity sake here are the Trilogy player ships factored in: Normandy SR1 200m √200/1.485= 9.52 LYpD (LY per Day)*365= 3476.01 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/3476.01 = 719.21 (Y to Andromeda) -------For curiosity sake: Doubled by ODSY------------------------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 19.05 LYpD <---- ODSY drive doubles the speed of the ship to its listed specs. (LY per Year)2 Becomes 6952.03 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 359.61 Years ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Normandy SR2 150m √150/1.485= 8.25 LYpD (LY per Day)*365= 3010.32 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/3010.32 = 830.48 (Y to Andromeda) -------For curiosity sake: Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 16.50 LYpD (LY per Year)2 Becomes 6020.63 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 415.24 Years Seems to be within cosmic variation for what we saw in the game. As to where I got the equation This: √(Length of the ship in meters /1.485 = FTL Speed per day. FTL Speed*365=FTL Speed per year ODSY DRIVE double the rate (*2) Or the year calculations or both? Does it truly matter since both work and fix the in game math? As to where that actually comes from. It is from the time when I was into fluid dynamics mathematics. Since space afterall does act like a fluid more times than not in science fiction and also now in reality. Good Day.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 30, 2019 2:49:08 GMT
My proof is the state of Meridian...
Or did you like so many others just speed run through the ravine of the only garden world/moon... station... dyson sphere? A dyson sphere by the way would take a long time to construct the way it show in game.
The Jardaan in MEA would require a massive amount of material. Very seldom -if ever does a single star system have the necessary materials to build a Dyson Sphere this way. Therefore it would need to be harvested from multiple worlds and multiple star systems in the region. Meridian is not a Dyson Sphere. Its only the size of our Moon. Big, but not Dyson Sphere big. Not to mention that though Meridian looks finished on the outside it is not even in a complete state on the inside. Well yes, the Scourge hit Jardaan in the middle of their preparations. That is the point of this theory. Jardaan were cought off guard - they had to launch Meridian unfinished, vaults are not working properly, Angara dont know anything about their creation or mission and Jardaan themselves are nowhere to be found. And you want EVERY star in the galaxy to be visitible in one game?!!! No I dont want that. I dont know why you think that way. The amount of visitable planets is determined by plot and gamedesign. What I am saying is that with Relays you can reach any portion of Andromeda while without them you would be tied to a small region of Andromeda not far away from Heleus cluster. There is a difference between doing something because you know you can and believing you can do something.
Just because you have the capability doesn't mean it can or will be successful. A species full of pride in ones accomplishments will do as you suggest and put themselves in a horrible position should an outsider and or invader make its presence known. However a wise species would know the difference between the two and not put themselves in such a situation. Jardaan are not all knowing. They cannot know much about the capabilities of the Reapers and as such must do 'educated guesses' about those. What they do know is that if they dont do anything the Reapers will destroy them. It is not their fault that they underestimated the Reapers they simply had no way of knowing but they still had to do something. There is a difference between doing something because you know you can and believing you can do something. Actually, according to the most common definition of 'knowledge' to know that you can do something also requires that you believe that you can do that. the original idea of how the story was supposed to unfold. The original idea was basically the reapers were gardening the galaxy in the hopes of creating a super powerful biotic race to stop the death of the universe due to dark matter. In the cannon its just that the only focused on our galaxy since its their home galaxy and never even tried to expand to other galaxies over billions of years. This is now non-canonical and has no relevance to the current lore of ME universe. Who better to know how to operate your machinery: a machine programmed by you for the far future? As I've said Jardaan were interrupted midway, so similarly to Meridian, Angara may be 'unfinished'. Still while using them as decoys sounds like a last ditch effort to save themselves and not something that I would see a race that would build a Dyson Sphere in the view of preserving and or creating life as the noble thing any race capable of doing would do. Reapers and Protheans are supposedly more advanced than Jardaan and they seem to be quite capable of doing some shady stuff. Geth can build Dyson sphere, also kill Quorians. Leviathans didn't seem like a noble buch to me too. So I am not at all convinced by this argument. The collectors do sound like they were Exalted doesn't it?
Well not exactly. Well yes, Im saying they are similar not the same. While true it would be hard unless there were absolutely no other options I see the Reapers taking most efficient attack method: en Masse. If the galaxy was already set up for it the sure maybe one or two but with no Relays it would be the whole enchilada in my opinion. Reaper tame its ego? Seriously?
The Reapers never do anything small.
I believe that if the Reapers were to invade another galaxy they would do it in full force of their numbers -probably leaving one or two behind in the Milky Way like Sovereign was but the majority would go in force. You are forgetting that all this is happening in the context fo this theoury. Accoriding to it, a Reaper that was left in Andromeda to keep an eye on locals finds out about Jardaan either after the events of ME3 endings and therefore has no other Reapers to call to and decides to act on its own. Or finds out before ME3 but thinks that if finished, Meridian would be undetectible for Reapers and decides to act without waiting for others. After dealing with Jardaan it must act carefully, through its minions (Kett) because it knows that if it dies its mission will be a failure. If you imply that the Reapers have been harvesting Andromeda like the Milky Way then there would be Relays everywhere. No Reapers means no relays and no relays mean no Reapers. Do you understand what Im trying to say with this theory? The Initiative has only been to Heleus Cluster and there are no Mass relays there because they were either destroyed by Jardaan or it was chosen by them because it had no relays. Thre should be relays in the rest of Andromeda. As to where I got the equation This: √(Length of the ship in meters /1.485 = FTL Speed per day. FTL Speed*365=FTL Speed per year ODSY DRIVE double the rate (*2) How did you get that formula? What is 1.485? Why do you need a length of a ship to calculate its speed? And why would you take a square root of this whole thing? Why does ODSY doubles the rate?
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Post by guanxi on Dec 2, 2019 19:51:08 GMT
The reapers were such a good villain tbf. The dialogue and exchanges were so memorable and quotable even to this day. I don't think I can even remember one quote by the Archon or Monitor a mere year or two later such was their lasting impression on my conscious or rather lack thereof. When a Reaper is talking to you that s*** stays with you:
RUDIMENTARY CREATURES OF BLOOD AND FLESH. YOU TOUCH MY MIND, FUMBLING IN IGNORANCE, INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING. THERE IS A REALM OF EXISTENCE SO FAR BEYOND YOUR OWN YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE IT. I AM BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION. I AM SOVEREIGN. ORGANIC LIFE IS NOTHING BUT A GENETIC MUTATION, AN ACCIDENT. YOUR LIVES ARE MEASURED IN YEARS AND DECADES. YOU WITHER, AND DIE. WE ARE ETERNAL. THE PINNACLE OF EVOLUTION AND EXISTENCE. BEFORE US, YOU ARE NOTHING. YOUR EXTINCTION IS INEVITABLE. WE ARE THE END OF EVERYTHING. WE IMPOSE ORDER ON THE CHAOS OF ORGANIC EVOLUTION. YOU EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT, AND YOU WILL END BECAUSE WE DEMAND IT. MY KIND TRANSCENDS YOUR VERY UNDERSTANDING. WE ARE EACH A NATION — INDEPENDENT, FREE OF ALL WEAKNESS. YOU CANNOT EVEN GRASP THE NATURE OF OUR EXISTENCE. WE HAVE NO BEGINNING. WE HAVE NO END. WE ARE INFINITE. MILLIONS OF YEARS AFTER YOUR CIVILIZATION HAS BEEN ERADICATED AND FORGOTTEN, WE WILL ENDURE. WE ARE LEGION. THE TIME OF OUR RETURN IS COMING. OUR NUMBERS WILL DARKEN THE SKY OF EVERY WORLD. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE YOUR DOOM. I AM THE VANGUARD OF YOUR DESTRUCTION. THIS EXCHANGE IS OVER
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 4, 2019 18:39:27 GMT
Too bad the reapers were basically ruined by ME2. The Collectors were fun in and of themselves, but whenever Harbinger spoke, I had to laugh at how goofy it sounded. They were trying to recapture the ominousness of Sovereign's voice, but it had this odd, cartoonish tone about it, like Dr. Claw saying I'll get you Shepard, if it's the last thing I do! Muhahahaha. It doesn't help that ME2's use of battle barks only made it funnier. This hurts you.
As for Sovereign himself, I felt like the villainous monologue trope was effective at first, but over time it just feels tired and forced, like the whole twist couldn't just be something the characters discover organically in the story, but have it be served up with a big slice of ham, because there's really no reason for this cold, calculating machine to devote so much time to talking smack when up until now, one of its goals was to not really be well known.
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Post by guanxi on Dec 4, 2019 22:19:38 GMT
Too bad the reapers were basically ruined by ME2. The Collectors were fun in and of themselves, but whenever Harbinger spoke, I had to laugh at how goofy it sounded. They were trying to recapture the ominousness of Sovereign's voice, but it had this odd, cartoonish tone about it, like Dr. Claw saying I'll get you Shepard, if it's the last thing I do! Muhahahaha. It doesn't help that ME2's use of battle barks only made it funnier. This hurts you. As for Sovereign himself, I felt like the villainous monologue trope was effective at first, but over time it just feels tired and forced, like the whole twist couldn't just be something the characters discover organically in the story, but have it be served up with a big slice of ham, because there's really no reason for this cold, calculating machine to devote so much time to talking smack when up until now, one of its goals was to not really be well known. I agree that Harbingers cheesy smack talk during gameplay was pretty lame however Harbinger's epilogue speech in the Arrival DLC was pretty good: "Shepard, you fight against inevitability like dust struggling against cosmic winds. This seems a victory to you.... a star system sacrificed but even now, your greatest civilizations are doomed to fall. Your leaders will beg to serve us. Know this as you die in vein... your time has come, your species will fall. Prepare yourselves for the arrival."
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 5, 2019 4:31:49 GMT
The reapers were such a good villain tbf. The dialogue and exchanges were so memorable and quotable even to this day. I don't think I can even remember one quote by the Archon or Monitor a mere year or two later such was their lasting impression on my conscious or rather lack thereof. When a Reaper is talking to you that s*** stays with you: RUDIMENTARY CREATURES OF BLOOD AND FLESH. YOU TOUCH MY MIND, FUMBLING IN IGNORANCE, INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING. THERE IS A REALM OF EXISTENCE SO FAR BEYOND YOUR OWN YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE IT. I AM BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION. I AM SOVEREIGN. ORGANIC LIFE IS NOTHING BUT A GENETIC MUTATION, AN ACCIDENT. YOUR LIVES ARE MEASURED IN YEARS AND DECADES. YOU WITHER, AND DIE. WE ARE ETERNAL. THE PINNACLE OF EVOLUTION AND EXISTENCE. BEFORE US, YOU ARE NOTHING. YOUR EXTINCTION IS INEVITABLE. WE ARE THE END OF EVERYTHING. WE IMPOSE ORDER ON THE CHAOS OF ORGANIC EVOLUTION. YOU EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT, AND YOU WILL END BECAUSE WE DEMAND IT. MY KIND TRANSCENDS YOUR VERY UNDERSTANDING. WE ARE EACH A NATION — INDEPENDENT, FREE OF ALL WEAKNESS. YOU CANNOT EVEN GRASP THE NATURE OF OUR EXISTENCE. WE HAVE NO BEGINNING. WE HAVE NO END. WE ARE INFINITE. MILLIONS OF YEARS AFTER YOUR CIVILIZATION HAS BEEN ERADICATED AND FORGOTTEN, WE WILL ENDURE. WE ARE LEGION. THE TIME OF OUR RETURN IS COMING. OUR NUMBERS WILL DARKEN THE SKY OF EVERY WORLD. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE YOUR DOOM. I AM THE VANGUARD OF YOUR DESTRUCTION. THIS EXCHANGE IS OVER Honestly, my takeaway from that was that Sovereign was b.s.ing us; he didn't tell us why the Reapers do what they do because he didn't know himself, and he laid it on thick to avoid admitting it. I regret being right about this.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 5, 2019 4:36:22 GMT
The pesky ODSY of the Tempest proves this formula just like the Reaper did: But since you didn't do the math for the others here it is: Tempest 95m √95/1.485= 6.56 LYpD <---- Doesn't match what we were given -just wait. (LY per Day)*365= 2395.68 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/9519.2 = 1043.55 (Y to Andromeda)
-------Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 13.13 LYpD <---- ODSY drive doubles the speed of the ship to its listed specs. (LY per Year)2 Becomes 4791.36 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 521.77 Years ---------------------------------------------------------
However the Hyperion and the Nexus speeds destroys that: Hyperion 1500m
√1500/1.485= 26.08 LYpD
(LY per Day)*365= 9519.2 (LY per YEAR)
D2A: 2500000/9519.2 =
262.6271 (Y to Andromeda) -------Doubled by ODSY--------
(LY per Day)2 Becomes 52.04 LYpD
(LY per Year)2 Becomes 19038.4 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 131.3136 Years --------------------------------------------------------- AND THE NEXUS IS THE ONE THAT PROVES THE MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA TRAVEL TIME IS BORKED:
Nexus 15470m
√15470/1.485= 184.7020 LYpD
(LY per Day)*365= 67416.2319 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/67416.2319 =
37.0830574409 (Y to Andromeda) -------Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day) Becomes 369.404 LYpD (LY per Year) Becomes 134832.46 LYpY (Y to Andromeda) Becomes 18.541529243 Years --------------------------------------------------------- Much more attainable but DESTROYS the Mass Effect Andromeda time line. A 605 years erased off the trip. I am game now for a trip to Andromeda. For curiosity sake here are the Trilogy player ships factored in: Normandy SR1 200m √200/1.485= 9.52 LYpD (LY per Day)*365= 3476.01 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/3476.01 = 719.21 (Y to Andromeda) -------For curiosity sake: Doubled by ODSY------------------------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 19.05 LYpD <---- ODSY drive doubles the speed of the ship to its listed specs. (LY per Year)2 Becomes 6952.03 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 359.61 Years ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Normandy SR2 150m √150/1.485= 8.25 LYpD (LY per Day)*365= 3010.32 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/3010.32 = 830.48 (Y to Andromeda) -------For curiosity sake: Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 16.50 LYpD (LY per Year)2 Becomes 6020.63 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 415.24 Years Seems to be within cosmic variation for what we saw in the game. As to where I got the equation This: √(Length of the ship in meters /1.485 = FTL Speed per day. FTL Speed*365=FTL Speed per year ODSY DRIVE double the rate (*2) Or the year calculations or both? Does it truly matter since both work and fix the in game math? As to where that actually comes from. It is from the time when I was into fluid dynamics mathematics. Since space afterall does act like a fluid more times than not in science fiction and also now in reality. All I'm taking away from this is that your entire theory about FTL speeds is garbage.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 5, 2019 11:11:47 GMT
The pesky ODSY of the Tempest proves this formula just like the Reaper did: But since you didn't do the math for the others here it is: Tempest 95m √95/1.485= 6.56 LYpD <---- Doesn't match what we were given -just wait. (LY per Day)*365= 2395.68 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/9519.2 = 1043.55 (Y to Andromeda)
-------Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 13.13 LYpD <---- ODSY drive doubles the speed of the ship to its listed specs. (LY per Year)2 Becomes 4791.36 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 521.77 Years ---------------------------------------------------------
However the Hyperion and the Nexus speeds destroys that: Hyperion 1500m
√1500/1.485= 26.08 LYpD
(LY per Day)*365= 9519.2 (LY per YEAR)
D2A: 2500000/9519.2 =
262.6271 (Y to Andromeda) -------Doubled by ODSY--------
(LY per Day)2 Becomes 52.04 LYpD
(LY per Year)2 Becomes 19038.4 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 131.3136 Years --------------------------------------------------------- AND THE NEXUS IS THE ONE THAT PROVES THE MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA TRAVEL TIME IS BORKED:
Nexus 15470m
√15470/1.485= 184.7020 LYpD
(LY per Day)*365= 67416.2319 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/67416.2319 =
37.0830574409 (Y to Andromeda) -------Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day) Becomes 369.404 LYpD (LY per Year) Becomes 134832.46 LYpY (Y to Andromeda) Becomes 18.541529243 Years --------------------------------------------------------- Much more attainable but DESTROYS the Mass Effect Andromeda time line. A 605 years erased off the trip. I am game now for a trip to Andromeda. For curiosity sake here are the Trilogy player ships factored in: Normandy SR1 200m √200/1.485= 9.52 LYpD (LY per Day)*365= 3476.01 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/3476.01 = 719.21 (Y to Andromeda) -------For curiosity sake: Doubled by ODSY------------------------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 19.05 LYpD <---- ODSY drive doubles the speed of the ship to its listed specs. (LY per Year)2 Becomes 6952.03 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 359.61 Years ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Normandy SR2 150m √150/1.485= 8.25 LYpD (LY per Day)*365= 3010.32 (LY per YEAR) D2A: 2500000/3010.32 = 830.48 (Y to Andromeda) -------For curiosity sake: Doubled by ODSY-------- (LY per Day)2 Becomes 16.50 LYpD (LY per Year)2 Becomes 6020.63 LYpY (Y to Andromeda)2 Becomes 415.24 Years Seems to be within cosmic variation for what we saw in the game. As to where I got the equation This: √(Length of the ship in meters /1.485 = FTL Speed per day. FTL Speed*365=FTL Speed per year ODSY DRIVE double the rate (*2) Or the year calculations or both? Does it truly matter since both work and fix the in game math? As to where that actually comes from. It is from the time when I was into fluid dynamics mathematics. Since space afterall does act like a fluid more times than not in science fiction and also now in reality. All I'm taking away from this is that your entire theory about FTL speeds is garbage. By hard science mathematics the FTL in Mass Effect Andromeda is yes garbage. However if you mean mine is garbage...
Show me math that actually fits all the ships and makes sense from a trigonometry/calculus level and we will talk otherwise the point of conversation here is mute to both sides.
So Meridian is not a sphere?
Hmm... According to this: It is very much a sphere. Now as to Dyson part... Your right it should not be called a Dyson... we already got vacuum cleaners by the same name: Now that said in fiction anything of this shape is often referred to as sa Dyson Sphere. Though to be a Dyson Sphere it needs to draw power from a power source.
Though Freeman Dyson stated other ways: Dyson swarm, Dyson bubble, Dyson shell/sphere, Dyson net, Bubbleworld & Stellar engine were ways to harness a star's energy. The only one of which that fits Meridian is the Bubbleworld- though a Bubbleworld does not have a power source. So in all reality Meridian would be a Hybrid Bubbleworld Sphere or in my opinion a: Bubblesphere.
Let me get this straight. The scourge attack hit them on Khi Tasira -a Meridian control node that was connected to Meridian.
YET the Jardaan were able to use the control node to separate Meridian from the control node and launch Meridian to safety AFTER the scourge hit... WHAT???
I don't want that many in a game either -the aspect of what was said seemed to infer such. Sure Mass Relays make it easy but space travel should not be this easy. There are ways to get around besides Mass Relays to get from sector to sector.
Humanity actually has a working Ion Drive: If too severe you could always chicken out and simply make another sleeper ship and send to the next cluster. Or just go warp or hyperspace style but then what good is a Mass Effect field?
They do not have to be all knowing to know when and when not to attack.
Preparation for anything is the absolute value for a race who is bent on creation of any kind. They must protect that which they are planning on creating. To this end they would not be doing anything blind. Furthermore any race that has advanced to the point where they can build Meridian will not need to make an educated guess about the Reapers.
They will have sensors around their space that would detect anything heading their way.
Even the leaving of the Reapers from Milky Way galaxy would be detected by the Jardaan perimeter sensors. The released gamma, X-Rays would light the Reapers up like a Christmas tree.
More is usually learned through observation than provocation.
Bah! Sentence truncated: There is a difference between doing something because you know you can and believing you can do something because you know you can.
Sorry about that -just so many div code here it does get confusing. A civilization that only uses common knowledge is doomed to an ill fated death. In the words of Winston Churchill: Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. Every society that has existed on the Earth has never used knowledge alone -they also use wisdom to perform any action. One thing is a fact: the older the civilization the wiser they usually become -if bipedal it seems anyway. A civilization that uses knowledge alone usually becomes arrogant and prideful to the point of stupidity and inflexibility. They usually make idiotic mistakes that usually leads to their extinction. Again due to the Jardaan's focus on creation I find it highly unlikely that they would be so arrogant and prideful to let their hubris control their fate. Belief in knowing that you can do something doesn't mean you have to do it. The wiser you are the more you have the ability to step back look at what you may be about to do and stop before you make a grievous error. If it will hurt or hinder -more likely than not a civilization like the Jardaan would follow this axiom: And yet it shows up as the Scourge in ME:A -wheither it be a weapon or the result of an explosion it still shows up- as horribly implemented as it is. Detailing from the level of completion of Meridian -if they were interrupted -then they were more likely 75% to 90% completed. Granted that would make the Angara have more freedom by not being completed just as you imply. Though that would also mean that the Jardaan may have actually meant the Angara to be their successors. The reason I say this is since an Angara did use Remnant/Jardaan tech in the game effortlessly:
...That or they are truly the Jardaan who have become a Remnant of their former selves.
An organic race bent on creation at the scale the Jardaan did with creating Meridian AND the vaults separates them apart from the Reapers and Protheans. The Reapers have no desire to be a better race than the programming that the Leviathans programmed the Catalyst to make to protect life. As demented as its plan was at least the catalyst didn't require every living soul to be made into living Dyson spheres.
As deceptive as that may or not be -the Reapers only do what they are programmed and told to by their AI master to do and think.
The Protheans are a race that fought a war early on against machines early on before they faced the Reapers and won.
This changed their world view from altruistic to one where they had to win.
This also changed their psyche thus making them beginning to believe that through force they could protect the other races. Their ego took them into the prideful state when they succeeded in beating this first robotic enemy.
A very difficult road to stop heading down once your start.
While the Geth made a Dyson Bubblesphere as well -the dimensions are not given -or are they ME2/3 has been awhile...
If correct am I and they are not given -I doubt it is bigger than Meridian -probably on a scale smaller. Touche`.
Though why change a working formula?
The only reason here that would be is if the Jardaan had fought the Reapers for as long as the Protheans had -over 100+ years. To gain the Reapers respect enough to warrant such transformation. Which is something that -while the Jardaan definatelly could do -it begs the question why the Reapers would leave the Jardaan tech there. Reapers usually leave no trace of the harvested species behind -rare exceptions remain -Prothean pyramids and communication towers.
Also no offense to the Kett but they just have not proven they could hold their own against the Reapers to warrant such an "uplifting" by the Reapers.
Furthermore the Reapers would be more inclined to pick a synthetic race before a organic one -easier to assume direct control of.
A rag-tag band of refugees eliminates a Kett contingent in sector of the galaxy for crying out loud.
The Kett would be nothing in the Reapers eyes.
Ok. Back in context to the theory then.
That is some fast communication by a lone Reaper across the spasm of intergalactic space.
Even Sovereign had trouble communicating with his brethren in dark space thus we got ME1 plot.
IF he could have just made the journey to the galactic edge and wake up the others and begin the cycle the story would be over before it began.
It seems to me that the Reapers while fast in speed are slow in communication speed.
Though communication may of course be inefficient and not deemed viable in the mind of a machine like the Reaper and may have to be done in person.
Meridian be undetectable?
What? How?
The Reapers are not fooled by stealth ships -even in ME3 they start following you around.
I would have to be wary of the Kett if it just attacked the Jardaan and did manage to eliminate them -more likely just injure them.
For the phrase: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" shows up.
The Kett could easily turn on their former ally after seeing that it now may set up on them after destruction of the Jardaan. \
I understand that your saying no Relays there but elsewhere in the galaxy.
However there would already be relays in Helius or at least evidence of one now gone. If the Reapers were in that galaxy in the first place then evidence would show up. Reapers work on a galactic scale not a sector by sector scale. I hypothesize that it would take nearly the same time it took them to put the Relay system into effect in the Milky Way for Andromeda. If a Mass Relay is destroyed it would leave an explosion of a supernova -proportions big enough to destroy 99.99% of the Sol system. Which would leave supernovae residue -new stars growing up and expanding -not dying stars of an already nutrient poor sector. If the Reapers had put a Relay there and it was gone they would know its not there now and something, someone removed it. If they were coming to put a Relay system in place then it is very likely that the Reapers would be done quicker than it was done in the Milky Way since:
It comes from fluid dynamics.
It is based off the equation related to the Froude number. This number is basically the ratio of inertia to an external force. This is NOT the hull/speed length Froude number for boats.
This is the one based on and for airplanes and their hull/speed length.
1.485 is actually this number 1.340 Froude number plus the addition of 0.145 for atmospheric resistance. 1.34+0.145=1.485. The length of the ship when taking the square root gives the approximate internal mass of the ship.
Also taking the square root is ONLY for the Length not the second part of the equation.
IE: (√Length) then multiply by the Fr number to get light speed.
This equation only works due to the way Mass Effect field have the inverse proportionate scaling of mass and speed.
What is the one thing the ODSY drive allows for above all the rest?
It allows the ships to NOT have to STOP AT ALL during the journey. If say an alliance ship were to make the trip then it would have to stop -I think about 170 times give or take a few -every 50 hours or so.
It would have to remain in this SubFTL state until it would have drained the built up charge -which could take days, weeks or months. Since it would be very hard to find a gravity field to drain into in the middle of the black void between the galaxies...
If you take those 50 hours and put them back into not having to stop but being to continue the transit... Then you just doubled the days in FTL -50 hour bonus back to travel time instead of sidelined.
A doubling in the efficiency over conventional FTL drives.
Also the ODSY drives are most likely based off Sovereigns' corpse engine core -so the ODSY is likely smaller and more efficient than conventional alliance drives as well. Any more questions you can ask but I think I am done on the forums for the year.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 5, 2019 16:36:39 GMT
Well, at least we can see where the theory comes from.
The problem is that it contradicts the known facts of the MEU. Longer ships aren't typically faster in the MEU. If anything, it works the other way around, with the smaller ships being faster. However, most of the available data suggests that the speed difference between ship classes of the same technology is trivial.
I'm not quite clear how this is supposed to work, though. If fluid dynamics are coming into play, then wouldn't a ship get up to maximum speed and stay there for almost all of the trip? And the intersellar medium would do much of the braking for you.
Anyway, Bio's never going to adopt your theory; they're going to always go with something more relatable to people without any real science background.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 5, 2019 16:51:18 GMT
All I'm taking away from this is that your entire theory about FTL speeds is garbage. By hard science mathematics the FTL in Mass Effect Andromeda is yes garbage.
Well, there's the problem right there. The last time Hard Science walked into the Mass Effect neighborhood, it got jumped and left in a ditch. It learned never to come back.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 5, 2019 20:34:34 GMT
Too bad the reapers were basically ruined by ME2. The Collectors were fun in and of themselves, but whenever Harbinger spoke, I had to laugh at how goofy it sounded. They were trying to recapture the ominousness of Sovereign's voice, but it had this odd, cartoonish tone about it, like Dr. Claw saying I'll get you Shepard, if it's the last thing I do! Muhahahaha. It doesn't help that ME2's use of battle barks only made it funnier. This hurts you. As for Sovereign himself, I felt like the villainous monologue trope was effective at first, but over time it just feels tired and forced, like the whole twist couldn't just be something the characters discover organically in the story, but have it be served up with a big slice of ham, because there's really no reason for this cold, calculating machine to devote so much time to talking smack when up until now, one of its goals was to not really be well known. I agree that Harbingers cheesy smack talk during gameplay was pretty lame however Harbinger's epilogue speech in the Arrival DLC was pretty good: "Shepard, you fight against inevitability like dust struggling against cosmic winds. This seems a victory to you.... a star system sacrificed but even now, your greatest civilizations are doomed to fall. Your leaders will beg to serve us. Know this as you die in vein... your time has come, your species will fall. Prepare yourselves for the arrival." I think the problem was less the smack talk itself and more the fact that there were only a half dozen lines or so that got recycled over and over again.
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Post by skekSil on Dec 5, 2019 21:05:06 GMT
The reapers were such a good villain tbf. The dialogue and exchanges were so memorable and quotable even to this day. I don't think I can even remember one quote by the Archon or Monitor a mere year or two later such was their lasting impression on my conscious or rather lack thereof. When a Reaper is talking to you that s*** stays with you: RUDIMENTARY CREATURES OF BLOOD AND FLESH. YOU TOUCH MY MIND, FUMBLING IN IGNORANCE, INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING. THERE IS A REALM OF EXISTENCE SO FAR BEYOND YOUR OWN YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE IT. I AM BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION. I AM SOVEREIGN. ORGANIC LIFE IS NOTHING BUT A GENETIC MUTATION, AN ACCIDENT. YOUR LIVES ARE MEASURED IN YEARS AND DECADES. YOU WITHER, AND DIE. WE ARE ETERNAL. THE PINNACLE OF EVOLUTION AND EXISTENCE. BEFORE US, YOU ARE NOTHING. YOUR EXTINCTION IS INEVITABLE. WE ARE THE END OF EVERYTHING. WE IMPOSE ORDER ON THE CHAOS OF ORGANIC EVOLUTION. YOU EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT, AND YOU WILL END BECAUSE WE DEMAND IT. MY KIND TRANSCENDS YOUR VERY UNDERSTANDING. WE ARE EACH A NATION — INDEPENDENT, FREE OF ALL WEAKNESS. YOU CANNOT EVEN GRASP THE NATURE OF OUR EXISTENCE. WE HAVE NO BEGINNING. WE HAVE NO END. WE ARE INFINITE. MILLIONS OF YEARS AFTER YOUR CIVILIZATION HAS BEEN ERADICATED AND FORGOTTEN, WE WILL ENDURE. WE ARE LEGION. THE TIME OF OUR RETURN IS COMING. OUR NUMBERS WILL DARKEN THE SKY OF EVERY WORLD. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE YOUR DOOM. I AM THE VANGUARD OF YOUR DESTRUCTION. THIS EXCHANGE IS OVER Honestly, my takeaway from that was that Sovereign was b.s.ing us; he didn't tell us why the Reapers do what they do because he didn't know himself, and he laid it on thick to avoid admitting it. I regret being right about this. Perhaps he knew the reasons but was too ashamed to be part of Catalyst's plan.
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Post by skekSil on Dec 5, 2019 22:17:00 GMT
So in all reality Meridian would be a Hybrid Bubbleworld Sphere or in my opinion a: Bubblesphere. But not a Dyson Sphere which was my point. Dyson spheres are built around stars and require much much more resourses than Meridian. YET the Jardaan were able to use the control node to separate Meridian from the control node and launch Meridian to safety AFTER the scourge hit... WHAT??? Nothing surprising here the attack was for some reason not fast and powerful enough to stop them from launching Meridian. Even Reapers are not save from making mistakes. Humanity actually has a working Ion Drive: This thing can get you the nearest star in a couple of thousands of years. My point was that from gameplay and storytelling perspective fast the faster your FTL the more options you have for your story. Besides after MET slow FTL looks like a downgrade. They do not have to be all knowing to know when and when not to attack.
Preparation for anything is the absolute value for a race who is bent on creation of any kind. They must protect that which they are planning on creating. To this end they would not be doing anything blind. Furthermore any race that has advanced to the point where they can build Meridian will not need to make an educated guess about the Reapers.
They will have sensors around their space that would detect anything heading their way.
Even the leaving of the Reapers from Milky Way galaxy would be detected by the Jardaan perimeter sensors. The released gamma, X-Rays would light the Reapers up like a Christmas tree.
More is usually learned through observation than provocation. Jardaan were making preparations to hide from Reapers hoping that their activity in a remote cluster would not be discovered. They probably didnt know that Reapers had already planted indoctrinated spies among Jardaan or were unable to detect hidden Reaper listenig post in Heleus. And yet it shows up as the Scourge in ME:A -wheither it be a weapon or the result of an explosion it still shows up- as horribly implemented as it is. Dark energy and dark matter are just the latest 'sciency' buzz words that any sci-fi author is quick to use. They are actually used to explain how mass effect fields work. That doesnt mean that there is anything left in a game from an early script about dying universe. Though that would also mean that the Jardaan may have actually meant the Angara to be their successors. May be, but we are discussing the viability of the Reaper theory. In it Angara are capable to use Remnant tech because they are supposed to help Jardaan to rebuild. Simply put,i ts easier to dig when you have keys from escavator. Touche`.
Though why change a working formula?
The only reason here that would be is if the Jardaan had fought the Reapers for as long as the Protheans had -over 100+ years. To gain the Reapers respect enough to warrant such transformation. Which is something that -while the Jardaan definatelly could do -it begs the question why the Reapers would leave the Jardaan tech there. Reapers usually leave no trace of the harvested species behind -rare exceptions remain -Prothean pyramids and communication towers.
Also no offense to the Kett but they just have not proven they could hold their own against the Reapers to warrant such an "uplifting" by the Reapers.
Furthermore the Reapers would be more inclined to pick a synthetic race before a organic one -easier to assume direct control of.
A rag-tag band of refugees eliminates a Kett contingent in sector of the galaxy for crying out loud.
The Kett would be nothing in the Reapers eyes. Ok. Back in context to the theory then.
That is some fast communication by a lone Reaper across the spasm of intergalactic space.
Even Sovereign had trouble communicating with his brethren in dark space thus we got ME1 plot.
IF he could have just made the journey to the galactic edge and wake up the others and begin the cycle the story would be over before it began.
It seems to me that the Reapers while fast in speed are slow in communication speed.
Though communication may of course be inefficient and not deemed viable in the mind of a machine like the Reaper and may have to be done in person.
Meridian be undetectable?
What? How?
The Reapers are not fooled by stealth ships -even in ME3 they start following you around.
I would have to be wary of the Kett if it just attacked the Jardaan and did manage to eliminate them -more likely just injure them.
For the phrase: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" shows up.
The Kett could easily turn on their former ally after seeing that it now may set up on them after destruction of the Jardaan. Again, Reaper theory from the first post. Reapers are GONE! Something happened to them in Milky Way 600 years ago. Now there is a lone Reaper in Andromeda. It is on a budget. Traditional snug way wont cut it. It has to become creative and cautious with its plans. However there would already be relays in Helius or at least evidence of one now gone. Reapers dont put Mass Relays near every star system. It is even possble that they rearrange them after every Cycle closer to worlds with primitive civilisations who would likely will be ready for the next Cycle. If there were no suitable civilisations in Heleus thy might have left it withou relays. Jardaan came from somewhere else.
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Post by skekSil on Dec 5, 2019 23:14:20 GMT
It comes from fluid dynamics. I havent studied fluid dynamics so forgive me if I get something wrong. √(Length of the ship in meters /1.485 = FTL Speed per day. This number is basically the ratio of inertia to an external force. Well, right off the bat, Your equation does not account for this external force that acts upon the spacecraft. If you check dimentions on both sides of equation they dont match up: √meters=/=meters/seconds. Which means that your equation does not have any physical sense. To work it needs acceleration (produced by aforementioned external force) under the square root: √gL=v, checking dimentions: √((meters/seconds^2)meters)=meters/seconds => √(meters^2/seconds^2)=meters/seconds => it checks out. The only other explanation is that g in your formula is g=1(meter/secons^2) -very slopy!. But this requires explanation why did you choose this number for g. 1.485 is actually this number 1.340 Froude number plus the addition of 0.145 for atmospheric resistance. I still dont understand whre did you get these values. Are they from some kind of table? Because iam very sceptical that we have experimental data about fluid mechanics of intergalactic medium under FTL conditions. The length of the ship when taking the square root gives the approximate internal mass of the ship. This is simply not true. And the last thing is Froude number is not a constant. It is a basically a variable that describes the relationship between the length of an object and the speed of the flow (of a liquid or gas, not of the object itself!) when external force is present. That means that if your your ship changes speed its Froude number will change too. You cannot determine object's speed from this formula its not ment for that. At least this is my understanding of it.
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Post by parsival on Dec 15, 2019 9:46:36 GMT
Could the Jardaan not have started in the Milky Way and then gone off in their own Arks to Andromeda, to escape the Reapers? When there, they take precautions in case the Reapers follow them (which they don't)- setting up the Vaults and what not. What if they also created the Scourge themselves, to protect against an inorganic Reaper invasion? Perhaps they were developing weapons to go and take back the Milky Way, but it all went wrong.
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 15, 2019 11:06:37 GMT
What if Bioware waits with the next Mass Effect until we fanwank an explanation for the previous one
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Post by skekSil on Dec 15, 2019 19:37:14 GMT
What if Bioware waits with the next Mass Effect until we fanwank an explanation for the previous one Well, I'm working here as hards as I can.
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Post by skekSil on Dec 15, 2019 19:58:37 GMT
Could the Jardaan not have started in the Milky Way and then gone off in their own Arks to Andromeda, to escape the Reapers? When there, they take precautions in case the Reapers follow them - setting up the Vaults and what not. That is certainly not impossible. What if they also created the Scourge themselves, to protect against an inorganic Reaper invasion? Perhaps they were developing weapons to go and take back the Milky Way, but it all went wrong. That is less likely. It is sugested in game that the Scourge was actually specifically targeting Remnant technology. It is later revealed that the Scourge has appeared after a detonation of some weapon by Jadaan's "opposition". It is not clarified whether this weapon was being developed there or if it was brought by "opposition" there.
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I don't think I can even remember one quote by the Archon or Monitor a mere year or two later such was their lasting impression on my conscious or rather lack thereof. When a Reaper is talking to you that s*** stays with you: I won't explain what you can't understand.
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Post by michaelm on Mar 27, 2020 1:37:29 GMT
They chose that cluster to hide from Reapers. And they picked the one that is remote, hard to get to (no relays) and has no intelligent species that could attract Reapers The Khett are a Species not native to the Heleus Cluster, and gave no evidence to suggest all other space within Andromeda under their dominion contained Mass Relays.
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Post by skekSil on Mar 27, 2020 18:15:53 GMT
They chose that cluster to hide from Reapers. And they picked the one that is remote, hard to get to (no relays) and has no intelligent species that could attract Reapers The Khett are a Species not native to the Heleus Cluster, and gave no evidence to suggest all other space within Andromeda under their dominion contained Mass Relays. How is that a problem? There was no reason for kett to reveal htis information to angarans or AI and there was no reason for author to let Kett to mention them in casual conversation when they could serve as an effective plot twist.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 27, 2020 21:54:37 GMT
The Khett are a Species not native to the Heleus Cluster, and gave no evidence to suggest all other space within Andromeda under their dominion contained Mass Relays. How is that a problem? There was no reason for kett to reveal htis information to angarans or AI and there was no reason for author to let Kett to mention them in casual conversation when they could serve as an effective plot twist. I don't see a specific reason to tie MEA with the Reapers unless it ends up tying into the aborted dark energy plot that was dropped after ME2. I don't know precisely how it could link up but if it slapped aside the ridiculousness of the Catalyst then there are already plus points. The Catalyst could have been a diversion the Reapers created while dealing with the real threat. Now, that diversion had a major impact, maybe more than expected, but perhaps surviving indoctrinated pick up the plot. They were given a mission and just go to it. Hmm.. Jien Garson as either indoctrinated or killed by someone indoctrinated? It's got some possibilities.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 28, 2020 2:25:46 GMT
How is that a problem? There was no reason for kett to reveal htis information to angarans or AI and there was no reason for author to let Kett to mention them in casual conversation when they could serve as an effective plot twist. I don't see a specific reason to tie MEA with the Reapers unless it ends up tying into the aborted dark energy plot that was dropped after ME2. I don't know precisely how it could link up but if it slapped aside the ridiculousness of the Catalyst then there are already plus points. The Catalyst could have been a diversion the Reapers created while dealing with the real threat. Now, that diversion had a major impact, maybe more than expected, but perhaps surviving indoctrinated pick up the plot. They were given a mission and just go to it. Hmm.. Jien Garson as either indoctrinated or killed by someone indoctrinated? It's got some possibilities. Lol, I was thinking the a similar thing and my post got lost and I was too lazy to try again. My basic idea was this was the scourge was a Galaxy without the reapers. The Reapers unintended benefit or maybe intended by the leviathan but not realized by the star kid was they stopped growth at a certain tech point so dark energy did not destabilize the galaxy. Dark energy use via ships etc being the global warming to the universes environment. Without the reapers the scourge shows up, it didn't target the jardain(sp?) because they are the jardain but because their tech was advanced to the point it really manipulated dark energy enough to pull in the scourge.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 29, 2020 2:08:20 GMT
What do we even know about the Jaardan? If anything they may have created even more races in Andromeda.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Apr 16, 2020 4:15:43 GMT
Regardless of probability based on lore. For BioWare to rehash anything to do with the Reapers or that star child would be business suicide. If the politically correct, happy go lucky story and ending of MEA didn't open your eyes. They're playing it pretty safe.
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