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Post by Phantom on Nov 25, 2019 19:18:17 GMT
I am in the camp of having a New Player Character if we go back to the Milk Way. If there is a mention of Kai Leng, I prefer a Cerberus Phantom cracking jokes about him at his expense.
Keep in mind I am up for a young Krogan Berserker learning how to control his blood rage and while fighting Pirates and other criminals. Also there are many possible player characters in addition many possible backstories for them for both MEA and ME: Milk Way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 21:15:05 GMT
Maybe but you can't asy Lengg didn't deserve it in the end. At least he found out what happens when you piss Shepard off. Well, I didn’t like it for two reasons. 1. Didn’t like the sudden swear. 2. Of the people Kai Leng killed, the dying Thane wasn’t on top of the list. I think more of like the asari scientists at the temple who had their throats slit. I agree that the line about Thane should have been only if Thane was romanced. I also don't like that if Miranda is romanced, the line becomes "That's for Miranda and Thane, you sob." The line for Miranda should have been only Miranda and used only if she was romanced in ME2 an was killed in ME3 (regardless of whether or not Shepard continued to remoance her in ME3 because even an ex-romance deserves more recognition than a terminally ill squad mate.
The swear didn't bother me because there was a fair bit of swearing in ME3 anyways and sob is a pretty mild expletive in a lot of circles today.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 25, 2019 21:34:10 GMT
Well, I didn’t like it for two reasons. 1. Didn’t like the sudden swear. 2. Of the people Kai Leng killed, the dying Thane wasn’t on top of the list. I think more of like the asari scientists at the temple who had their throats slit. I agree that the line about Thane should have been only if Thane was romanced. I also don't like that if Miranda is romanced, the line becomes "That's for Miranda and Thane, you sob." The line for Miranda should have been only Miranda and used only if she was romanced in ME2 an was killed in ME3 (regardless of whether or not Shepard continued to remoance her in ME3 because even an ex-romance deserves more recognition than a terminally ill squad mate.
The swear didn't bother me because there was a fair bit of swearing in ME3 anyways and sob is a pretty mild expletive in a lot of circles today.
Yeah the swearing didn't bother me either as both the ME and DA games are bot hlisted as adult there was also one or 2 swear words in ME2 as well I've noticed so it's never been a huge issue as in Garrus's quest when his forme rsqudamate Sidonis realises he's been discovered H eends up going "Oh F%^&". Als otheres tha tques tthat Varric gives you in DAI Well S£%&. So tbh to me it's not a huge problem either. So long as you don't rely too much on using them and rty not to use them around kids I thin kin general it's OK. Besides I find swearing sometimes can be a bit of a stresss reliever.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 25, 2019 21:39:36 GMT
I think my last Shep would have enjoyed that given Thane was her LI I wasn’t really a fan of how all Shepard’s say that was for Thane you SoB. That should have been romance only. Unless I'm mistaken, he will say more than one person if he manages to kill multiple people. I guess Thane is easy since his death is guaranteed. Personally, I would've preferred silence, with maybe a louder piercing crunch noise.
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I wasn’t really a fan of how all Shepard’s say that was for Thane you SoB. That should have been romance only. Unless I'm mistaken, he will say more than one person if he manages to kill multiple people. I guess Thane is easy since his death is guaranteed. Personally, I would've preferred silence, with maybe a louder piercing crunch noise. AFAIK, the only other person Shep will mention is "Miranda and Thane." These are the only two people Kai Leng kills (if you ignore the possibility that he can also kill the Salarian councillor). It's not about how many other deaths happen during the game.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 25, 2019 22:07:38 GMT
Shepard will also say this is for Kirrahe, if he was killed during the coup.
If Leng only killed the councilor, Shepard will say, no gunship this time you sob
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If Leng only killed the councilor, Shepard will say, no gunship this time you sob Really? Best version. So sad I never had this in my playthroughs
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 26, 2019 17:01:08 GMT
I honestly would have preferred the dialogue with the Illusive Man to cut straight to the gunship bombardment. The gunfight ceremonial bit was simply unnecessary. If it were me, and since Leng is called an assassin, I would let him be one by killing t'soni instead of having her flying on Kai Leng Airlines.
What could have happened is once Shepard enters the temple, it triggers the ball to show holo-TIM. While Shepard is walking around, he/she talks with TIM, and in between that t'soni is talking about the asari each time Shepard activates an item. When TIM says he can't let Shepard leave with the information, Shepard mentions to the squadmates they need to hurry up. When talking with Vendetta, the gunship shows up with Leng stepping out. He orders the gunship to fire at the supports. Gets the info, and bye, bye. Or after Leng makes his entrance, a few phantoms go after Shepard and squad. While the fight is taking place, Leng gets the information. As Shepard kills the last phantom, the gunship is seen flying away.
👆Also this.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Nov 27, 2019 12:16:13 GMT
I bet they're just older concept art from previous work.
That said, I don't care where they take the next ME game be it Andromeda, the milky way or even a few Galaxy so long as they just take a step away from anything correlating to the recent Andromeda game. They can still do more in Andromeda, just ignore the last Andromeda game like it never existed plz👍
I'll also mention at this point, I'm just pessimistic on bioware games after their last few games, it's pretty clear their management is incompetent on how they run things and it's effecting their games in the process, it just kills my interest in what they even do🤷 I was and still am looking forward to DA4, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about DA4 being a childish wreck of a game like Andromeda or Anthem.
One big point I'll also make and someone already hit it, going back to the MW Galaxy doesn't just bring that quality back that the originals had👍 it doesn't mean it'll fail, but simply moving somewhere else doesn't fix anything and it's why to me it's literally irrelevant what Galaxy the games take place in lol, you can do a crap ton of things no matter the Galaxy (including the MW that is only like "1% explored")
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 27, 2019 13:09:23 GMT
I bet they're just older concept art from previous work. That said, I don't care where they take the next ME game be it Andromeda, the milky way or even a few Galaxy so long as they just take a step away from anything correlating to the recent Andromeda game. They can still do more in Andromeda, just ignore the last Andromeda game like it never existed plz👍
That would be EXTREMELY STUPID! Like it or not MEA is the foundation that any future games set in Andromeda will be based on, that would be like BioWare ignoring ME1 for ME2.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 27, 2019 14:01:52 GMT
I bet they're just older concept art from previous work. That said, I don't care where they take the next ME game be it Andromeda, the milky way or even a few Galaxy so long as they just take a step away from anything correlating to the recent Andromeda game. They can still do more in Andromeda, just ignore the last Andromeda game like it never existed plz👍
That would be EXTREMELY STUPID! Like it or not MEA is the foundation that any future games set in Andromeda will be based on, that would be like BioWare ignoring ME1 for ME2.
MEA is base omn which t obuild on fo rfutuer games in the Andromeda galax ymuch like ME1 was in the original trilogy yes mistakes we re made but hopefully they will be improved on just like they were in ME1 goin into 2
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 14:05:08 GMT
Shepard will also say this is for Kirrahe, if he was killed during the coup.
If Leng only killed the councilor, Shepard will say, no gunship this time you sob
OK, I'll concede the point, but I thought we were talking about squad mates (and previously romanced ones in particular - e.g. Jack, who Shepard would have just found out about her fate if Grissom is not done) and I've honestly never done a playthrough with Kirrahe without Thane being there for Leng to kill later on (at least as far as I remember... memory is getting a little sketchy at times.) To get the "no gunship" then, Kirrahe would have to die on Virmire and Miranda would have to die during the SM and Thane would have to either not be recruited or die during the SM as well, right? I'm pretty sure I've had that line a few times.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2019 14:28:26 GMT
Shepard will also say this is for Kirrahe, if he was killed during the coup.
If Leng only killed the councilor, Shepard will say, no gunship this time you sob
OK, I'll concede the point, but I thought we were talking about squad mates (and previously romanced ones in particular - e.g. Jack, who Shepard would have just found out about her fate if Grissom is not done) and I've honestly never done a playthrough with Kirrahe without Thane being there for Leng to kill later on (at least as far as I remember... memory is getting a little sketchy at times.) To get the "no gunship" then, Kirrahe would have to die on Virmire and Miranda would have to die during the SM and Thane would have to either not be recruited or die during the SM as well, right? I'm pretty sure I've had that line a few times.
To get the no gunship line, just not play ME1 or let Kirrahe die. Don't recruit Thane or have him die on the suicide mission. With Lawson, either have her die during the suicide mission or have her survive Sanctuary.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 27, 2019 14:44:18 GMT
That would be EXTREMELY STUPID! Like it or not MEA is the foundation that any future games set in Andromeda will be based on, that would be like BioWare ignoring ME1 for ME2.
MEA is base omn which t obuild on fo rfutuer games in the Andromeda galax ymuch like ME1 was in the original trilogy yes mistakes we re made but hopefully they will be improved on just like they were in ME1 goin into 2
Exactly! You need the first story to tell second one.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 27, 2019 14:56:08 GMT
I wouldn't mind another Shep game. But if not Shep, I'd would like to go back to the milky way with a storyline focused on the gangs and pirates of the milky way. It would be cool to be a gang leader in ME. I just don't want to go back to Andromeda as Ryder. I like for Shepard to return, but after seeing the next DA game might be released in 2022 putting the next ME release at around 2025 or later, I don't see that happening. Most likely will have a game take place in a new location with new characters and story. I like to be wrong. Maybe Bioware will release a remastered trilogy. Pirates you say? How about pirate space hamster? hahaha
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Post by ShadowAngel on Nov 27, 2019 16:11:50 GMT
I bet they're just older concept art from previous work. That said, I don't care where they take the next ME game be it Andromeda, the milky way or even a few Galaxy so long as they just take a step away from anything correlating to the recent Andromeda game. They can still do more in Andromeda, just ignore the last Andromeda game like it never existed plz👍
That would be EXTREMELY STUPID! Like it or not MEA is the foundation that any future games set in Andromeda will be based on, that would be like BioWare ignoring ME1 for ME2.
I bet they're just older concept art from previous work. That said, I don't care where they take the next ME game be it Andromeda, the milky way or even a few Galaxy so long as they just take a step away from anything correlating to the recent Andromeda game. They can still do more in Andromeda, just ignore the last Andromeda game like it never existed plz👍
That would be EXTREMELY STUPID! Like it or not MEA is the foundation that any future games set in Andromeda will be based on, that would be like BioWare ignoring ME1 for ME2.
I don't see how so🤷 Andromeda itself really doesn't have anything that "needs" to be carried over really. Nothing demands Ryder "needs" to be involved, nothing says the companions "need" to be carried forward as well. Essentially one can see Ryder's story as done and that's all it takes for a future game to not involve them. I can't remember the names (haven't played since beating it on launch week)but I believe the garson investigation can easily be solved by someone else, it doesn't have to be Ryder who resolves it, people just want it to be Ryder doing it, it can also be someone else working on the kett threat and again, it just doesn't have to be Ryder who does it, people just want it to be Ryder. For me Ryder would only be essential to carry forward depending on if anything related to them was unfinished and what was unfinished for them? They get their sibling back, they proved they can handle the role as a Pathfinder and Andromeda ends in a way where newer protagonists can come out of it. Personally I'd just time jump to where the colonies expand and bring in a plethora of customizable protagonists (especially multi-race choice) but that's just me. You're still in Andromeda and they can still be involved vs the kett as well as the expansion and exploration of Andromeda. As for this foundation, I just don't see it, I saw a game become a mockery and I'll say that's quite the foundation if the future games are to build off it. "Hey this games cool, think I'll try the one before it now........omg that game is bad, this one is so much better". That's how I see it for a general audience which bioware is gonna have to work with after their last few ME games just losing people. Universally I'm pretty sure Andromeda wasn't well received for multiple reasons. I see it better restarting the foundation. I'm not saying they won't or can't continue on with Andromeda either mind you, I however just think it'd be better for them to do a soft reboot over the soft reboot. I'll even be honest, I'm not interested in another game keeping what's in Andromeda carrying over into the next, nothing was impressive or good enough for me to think they need to🤷. Ultimately I'm very neutral on where they go, I don't care if it's the milky way, Andromeda or a new Galaxy altogether, I just know that I found Andromeda's characters so childish and uncreative that I don't want them in sequels. Hence me saying to essentially pretend like it doesn't exist.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 27, 2019 17:50:29 GMT
That would be EXTREMELY STUPID! Like it or not MEA is the foundation that any future games set in Andromeda will be based on, that would be like BioWare ignoring ME1 for ME2.
That would be EXTREMELY STUPID! Like it or not MEA is the foundation that any future games set in Andromeda will be based on, that would be like BioWare ignoring ME1 for ME2.
I don't see how so🤷 Andromeda itself really doesn't have anything that "needs" to be carried over really. Nothing demands Ryder "needs" to be involved, nothing says the companions "need" to be carried forward as well. Essentially one can see Ryder's story as done and that's all it takes for a future game to not involve them. I can't remember the names (haven't played since beating it on launch week)but I believe the garson investigation can easily be solved by someone else, it doesn't have to be Ryder who resolves it, people just want it to be Ryder doing it, it can also be someone else working on the kett threat and again, it just doesn't have to be Ryder who does it, people just want it to be Ryder. For me Ryder would only be essential to carry forward depending on if anything related to them was unfinished and what was unfinished for them? They get their sibling back, they proved they can handle the role as a Pathfinder and Andromeda ends in a way where newer protagonists can come out of it. Personally I'd just time jump to where the colonies expand and bring in a plethora of customizable protagonists (especially multi-race choice) but that's just me. You're still in Andromeda and they can still be involved vs the kett as well as the expansion and exploration of Andromeda. As for this foundation, I just don't see it, I saw a game become a mockery and I'll say that's quite the foundation if the future games are to build off it. "Hey this games cool, think I'll try the one before it now........omg that game is bad, this one is so much better". That's how I see it for a general audience which bioware is gonna have to work with after their last few ME games just losing people. Universally I'm pretty sure Andromeda wasn't well received for multiple reasons. I see it better restarting the foundation. I'm not saying they won't or can't continue on with Andromeda either mind you, I however just think it'd be better for them to do a soft reboot over the soft reboot. I'll even be honest, I'm not interested in another game keeping what's in Andromeda carrying over into the next, nothing was impressive or good enough for me to think they need to🤷. Ultimately I'm very neutral on where they go, I don't care if it's the milky way, Andromeda or a new Galaxy altogether, I just know that I found Andromeda's characters so childish and uncreative that I don't want them in sequels. Hence me saying to essentially pretend like it doesn't exist. There are sevreal reasonms I can think of why Ryder should return personally one being their mother we never found a cure for her illness and of course what with Ryder starting that investigation into Jien Garsons death and the benfactor I suspect they'd want to finish it. Did Shep let someone finish chasing after Saren in ME1 when the Normandy went into lockdown HELL NO. They went as far as stealing the ship to complete their mission. I wouldn't expect anything less from Ryder. For me MEA is just as much a story about Ryder as it is about Andromeda Just as the OT was about Shepard and the Milky Way
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Post by Polka Dot on Nov 28, 2019 3:23:05 GMT
Personally I liked the concept of a guy/woman that gets a lot of responsibility dumped on, and struggles to meet those expectations. It's a tale from someone that is not ready for that heavy load, but still has to pull it off nevertheless. He/she uses silly jokes to relieve tension and weight, because he/she is uncertain if he/she does the right things, and puts up a brave mask to hide the fear deep inside. I can relate with such a person far more than another superhero that's better than everybody else again. I liked the SAM concept (although it was not developed far enough), and would like to see where that would lead to. As I was reading this, DA2's Hawke - especially the purple/sarcastic variety - came to mind. Hawke & Ryder have a fair bit in common, including family members included in major plot points. From time to time, BioWare takes a stab at a PC that's not a designer superhero, and with mixed reception. While some really appreciate the more personal, growth-oriented story, others crave the traditional power fantasy.
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Post by 10k on Nov 28, 2019 14:46:05 GMT
I like for Shepard to return, but after seeing the next DA game might be released in 2022 putting the next ME release at around 2025 or later, I don't see that happening. Most likely will have a game take place in a new location with new characters and story. I like to be wrong. Maybe Bioware will release a remastered trilogy. Pirates you say? How about pirate space hamster? hahaha I know they aren't going to bring back Shepard. Believe it or not, there are so many more people who want a return of Ryder in Andromeda. I see it on the Devs twitter and on reddit. OT fans have moved on for the most part, which is why ME isn't a big deal for me anymore. Trilogy remaster with new missions, and maybe the inclusion of ME2 squadmates more in ME3 would be nice. But more likely than not I can see us getting another Andromeda with Dick Ryder
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 14:58:55 GMT
Trilogy remaster with new missions, and maybe the inclusion of ME2 squadmates more in ME3 would be nice. A lot of people don't understand what a remaster is. It only changes the graphics of the game, not the story or gameplay.
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Post by 10k on Nov 28, 2019 15:01:35 GMT
Trilogy remaster with new missions, and maybe the inclusion of ME2 squadmates more in ME3 would be nice. A lot of people don't understand what a remaster is. It only changes the graphics of the game, not the story or gameplay. I know what a remaster is. And I know what I describe is more along the lines of a remake. I use the term interchangeably, though it doesn't matter, so I don't understand why you brought it up?
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 28, 2019 15:39:37 GMT
Personally I liked the concept of a guy/woman that gets a lot of responsibility dumped on, and struggles to meet those expectations. It's a tale from someone that is not ready for that heavy load, but still has to pull it off nevertheless. He/she uses silly jokes to relieve tension and weight, because he/she is uncertain if he/she does the right things, and puts up a brave mask to hide the fear deep inside. I can relate with such a person far more than another superhero that's better than everybody else again. I liked the SAM concept (although it was not developed far enough), and would like to see where that would lead to. As I was reading this, DA2's Hawke - especially the purple/sarcastic variety - came to mind. Hawke & Ryder have a fair bit in common, including family members included in major plot points. From time to time, BioWare takes a stab at a PC that's not a designer superhero, and with mixed reception. While some really appreciate the more personal, growth-oriented story, others crave the traditional power fantasy. But gameplay wise both Hawke and the Ryders are still power fantasies, killing enemies by the hundreds during the course of the story. I thought that it worked fine for Hawke, who had already gained a certain reputation after the year that passes between prologue and Act 1, while the Ryders often talk (and get talked to) like bloody recruits but still drop 'em like Shepard on the battlefield, giving me the impression of some kind of goofy-Jekyll and cold-blooded-Hyde split personality going on there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 16:32:41 GMT
I know what a remaster is. And I know what I describe is more along the lines of a remake. I use the term interchangeably, though it doesn't matter, so I don't understand why you brought it up? Apparently not, because the two terms can't be used interchangeably. They have different meanings.
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Post by 10k on Nov 28, 2019 17:32:22 GMT
I know what a remaster is. And I know what I describe is more along the lines of a remake. I use the term interchangeably, though it doesn't matter, so I don't understand why you brought it up? Apparently not, because the two terms can't be used interchangeably. They have different meanings. I just used them interchangeably, so there you go
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 28, 2019 20:12:14 GMT
Well, technically, any word can be used in any fashion. It's just that some usages are wrong.
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