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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 5, 2019 13:08:08 GMT
Come to think of it, what does sterility have to do with anything? The kett can't simultaneously be ahead of the Citadel races in biological science and yet be behind them in cloning, barring some sort of cultural taboo against reproducing that way. (Like the asari prejudice against purebloods?) Maybe they started out cloning and that led to the genetic stagnation? Or, there was some sort of apocalypse and the kett population was reduced to not enough to keep the species alive. Need another game to know more.... I like the way you think
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 5, 2019 15:53:40 GMT
And again they are not because they get elevated by getting more Kett DNA. Which again is contradictory for a race that thinks of it self as genetically perfect to seek out genetics of other races to incorporate to their DNA. If Pure Kett was superior then they should just breed pure Kett. Or clone them given they have the technology to be able to clone Kett.
The Kett have been waging a 75 year war in Heleus trying to capture all the angara to turn them into Kett. While doing this in a long drawn out religious ceremony that makes no sense for a race that doesn't need to do this. The entire exhalation action only makes sense if it was a reproduction cycle. And this 75 year long war has literally been fought against a group armed with nothing but troop transports and shuttle craft.
The kett do not think of themselves as "genetically perfect." The Archon refers to himself as "superior" not "perfect." Furthermore, he sees himself as superior because he is "the inheritor of 1,000 species." To continue to seek to make themselves more superior by assimilating new species is not contradictory to their beliefs. It is contradictory if they think that pure unaltered original Kett DNA is the superior form to the point the ruling class is only the ruling class because they have pure unaltered DNA lines. This would be the equivalent of Nazis who push that whole idiotic bullshit about a master race of blue hair blonde eye white people bullshit as the superior race. Then spending the entirety of WW2 trying to have those blue eye, blonde hair people trying to reproduce with every black, white, brown, purple, blue, orange person on the planet.
If the Nazis operated on the same level as the Kett when Jessie Owens won several gold olypmic medals then Hitler would have invited him back to Germany to impregnate as many master race females as possible to benefit from his genetics. Even tough Owens being black would be the exact opposite of the whole pure uncontaminated master race bullshit ideology the Nazis like to spout.
Because remember the Archon's 2nd in command is only pissed at the Archon for refusing to contact the Senate and withholding new genetics from the Kett Empire as well as his obsession with Remnant tech.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 5, 2019 15:55:04 GMT
The entire exhalation action only makes sense if it was a reproduction cycle. It is just that because, as we learn, the kett themselves are sterile. Where does the game say anything different? No were that I am aware of. But I am being aruged against that because of the Kett Leaders being pure ancient unaltered Kett DNA. Which some how means all Kett can reproduce and the whole Exaltation thing is just a religious ceremony for reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 16:02:23 GMT
The kett do not think of themselves as "genetically perfect." The Archon refers to himself as "superior" not "perfect." Furthermore, he sees himself as superior because he is "the inheritor of 1,000 species." To continue to seek to make themselves more superior by assimilating new species is not contradictory to their beliefs. It is contradictory if they think that pure unaltered original Kett DNA is the superior form to the point the ruling class is only the ruling class because they have pure unaltered DNA lines. This would be the equivalent of Nazis who push that whole idiotic bullshit about a master race of blue hair blonde eye white people bullshit as the superior race. Then spending the entirety of WW2 trying to have those blue eye, blonde hair people trying to reproduce with every black, white, brown, purple, blue, orange person on the planet.
If the Nazis operated on the same level as the Kett when Jessie Owens won several gold olypmic medals then Hitler would have invited him back to Germany to impregnate as many master race females as possible to benefit from his genetics. Even tough Owens being black would be the exact opposite of the whole pure uncontaminated master race bullshit ideology the Nazis like to spout.
Because remember the Archon's 2nd in command is only pissed at the Archon for refusing to contact the Senate and withholding new genetics from the Kett Empire as well as his obsession with Remnant tech.
You perhaps forget that 1) the Germans performed many genetic experiments on the Jews in their concentration camps 2) the Germans also looked to the Swedes, Danes, and other Nordic populations as a source of Aryan DNA. Perhaps you also forget that historically in Mass Effect organizations like Cerberus (human superiority) genetically altered other races in the galaxy as a source of shock troopers.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 5, 2019 16:04:10 GMT
Come to think of it, what does sterility have to do with anything? The kett can't simultaneously be ahead of the Citadel races in biological science and yet be behind them in cloning, barring some sort of cultural taboo against reproducing that way. (Like the asari prejudice against purebloods?) Maybe they started out cloning and that led to the genetic stagnation? Or, there was some sort of apocalypse and the kett population was reduced to not enough to keep the species alive. Need another game to know more.... Dr. Aden's files support this interpretation.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 5, 2019 16:13:53 GMT
Again races do not obsess over genetic purity and then try to transfer those genetics into their pure genetic line. Races that hold themselves superior to others do not spend decades slowly absorbing newly discovered races into their culture by rewriting their DNA to become Kett like. You seem pretty confident what alien races capable of rewriting own DNA on the fly would or wouldnt do. Perhaps you have enough personal experience with them to make such firm assertions? I for one know only one intelligent species (not alien mind you) and its representatives are capable of holding most bizzare, irrational, illogical, downright self contradictory and simply stupid ideas and then base their entire worldview around them. Because the idea of genetic superiority of your own ancestral DNA and the act of spending untold thousands of years roaming the Andromeda Galaxy collecting new genetics and converting possibly dozens of new races into Kett while at the same time sharing that same new genetics across the entire empire.
Even taking the heavy religious set up of it. The Catholic Church doesn't start taking scriptures from the Quran or Scientology or Wiccan or Greek any of the dozens of non christian religions into their religious ideology. The Pope isn't the leader of the Catholic Church just because he is the only one who strictly follows the original bible and doesn't have orgy of wine and sex on the 12th of October to celebrate Dionysus day.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 5, 2019 16:24:16 GMT
It is contradictory if they think that pure unaltered original Kett DNA is the superior form to the point the ruling class is only the ruling class because they have pure unaltered DNA lines. This would be the equivalent of Nazis who push that whole idiotic bullshit about a master race of blue hair blonde eye white people bullshit as the superior race. Then spending the entirety of WW2 trying to have those blue eye, blonde hair people trying to reproduce with every black, white, brown, purple, blue, orange person on the planet.
If the Nazis operated on the same level as the Kett when Jessie Owens won several gold olypmic medals then Hitler would have invited him back to Germany to impregnate as many master race females as possible to benefit from his genetics. Even tough Owens being black would be the exact opposite of the whole pure uncontaminated master race bullshit ideology the Nazis like to spout.
Because remember the Archon's 2nd in command is only pissed at the Archon for refusing to contact the Senate and withholding new genetics from the Kett Empire as well as his obsession with Remnant tech.
You perhaps forget that 1) the Germans performed many genetic experiments on the Jews in their concentration camps 2) the Germans also looked to the Swedes, Danes, and other Nordic populations as a source of Aryan DNA. Perhaps you also forget that historically in Mass Effect organizations like Cerberus (human superiority) genetically altered other races in the galaxy as a source of shock troopers. 1. Yes horrific genetic experiments that resulted in thousands dying. None of which they would have done on any ideal citizen. Which is also why there was a shit load of war crimes for that action due to how terrible they were.
2. Nazis were also calling on a lot of mythology and didn't have a full complete understanding of genetics anywhere close to the level we do today. Nordic populations matched the blonde hair blue eye ideas and were considered acceptable.
3. Cerberus actions were done to further the position of human superiority. At no point did they fundamentally alter every single human and non human in the milky way save for 20 Cerberus supporting families that allow them to keep the pure unaltered human DNA and rule the entire altered milky way galaxy. At no point in time was Cerberus taking genetics from other races and forcing them into human genetics and trying to forcibly alter Turians, Asari, Krogan, Salarians into humans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 16:26:17 GMT
You seem pretty confident what alien races capable of rewriting own DNA on the fly would or wouldnt do. Perhaps you have enough personal experience with them to make such firm assertions? I for one know only one intelligent species (not alien mind you) and its representatives are capable of holding most bizzare, irrational, illogical, downright self contradictory and simply stupid ideas and then base their entire worldview around them. Because the idea of genetic superiority of your own ancestral DNA and the act of spending untold thousands of years roaming the Andromeda Galaxy collecting new genetics and converting possibly dozens of new races into Kett while at the same time sharing that same new genetics across the entire empire.
Even taking the heavy religious set up of it. The Catholic Church doesn't start taking scriptures from the Quran or Scientology or Wiccan or Greek any of the dozens of non christian religions into their religious ideology. The Pope isn't the leader of the Catholic Church just because he is the only one who strictly follows the original bible and doesn't have orgy of wine and sex on the 12th of October to celebrate Dionysus day.
Where are you getting tthat the kett have spent "untold thousands of years roaming Andromeda. They came to Heleus less than a century before the AI arrived and we don't know their origins. All we have to go on is that the Archon states he is the inheritor of 1000 species. Perhaps their interest in the Angara stems from what they believe to be is a common ancestry... i.e. perhaps the Jardaan created both the Angara and the Kett after creating 998 other species (failed experiments)... and the Kett are looking to unravel the history of their own creation. Their interest in the AI is for their talents... so they can be used to make effective shock troops.
When they say you will all be exalted... perhaps they view being transformed into a shock trooper form a kett as a step up from where the view the unexalted species... The Archon deceminating his DNA to improve them as shock troopers. There is a distinct difference in appearance between Chosen and Ascendants... so perhaps the "reproduction" aspect occurs at a much more selective level after identifying markers that enable the kett to view those individuals as "Aryan DNA-type" brothers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 16:38:19 GMT
You perhaps forget that 1) the Germans performed many genetic experiments on the Jews in their concentration camps 2) the Germans also looked to the Swedes, Danes, and other Nordic populations as a source of Aryan DNA. Perhaps you also forget that historically in Mass Effect organizations like Cerberus (human superiority) genetically altered other races in the galaxy as a source of shock troopers. 1. Yes horrific genetic experiments that resulted in thousands dying. None of which they would have done on any ideal citizen. Which is also why there was a shit load of war crimes for that action due to how terrible they were.
2. Nazis were also calling on a lot of mythology and didn't have a full complete understanding of genetics anywhere close to the level we do today. Nordic populations matched the blonde hair blue eye ideas and were considered acceptable.
3. Cerberus actions were done to further the position of human superiority. At no point did they fundamentally alter every single human and non human in the milky way save for 20 Cerberus supporting families that allow them to keep the pure unaltered human DNA and rule the entire altered milky way galaxy. At no point in time was Cerberus taking genetics from other races and forcing them into human genetics and trying to forcibly alter Turians, Asari, Krogan, Salarians into humans.
... and aren't you assuming that the Archon and Kett have that higher level of understanding of genetics than the Nazi's did. Perhaps the kett ARE relying on Jardaanian Mythology to a large degree. We also know from the game that the Angara believed in a false history implanted in them by the Jardaan as the creators of the Angara. The same could be true for the Kett... everything they believe about their past could be just a planted bunch of "knowledge" by their creators... who may or may not be the Jardaan. We've only touched the surface of what secrets lie wihtin the Andromeda galaxy... not even scratched it yet.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 5, 2019 16:39:38 GMT
Because the idea of genetic superiority of your own ancestral DNA and the act of spending untold thousands of years roaming the Andromeda Galaxy collecting new genetics and converting possibly dozens of new races into Kett while at the same time sharing that same new genetics across the entire empire.
Even taking the heavy religious set up of it. The Catholic Church doesn't start taking scriptures from the Quran or Scientology or Wiccan or Greek any of the dozens of non christian religions into their religious ideology. The Pope isn't the leader of the Catholic Church just because he is the only one who strictly follows the original bible and doesn't have orgy of wine and sex on the 12th of October to celebrate Dionysus day.
Where are you getting tthat the kett have spent "untold thousands of years roaming Andromeda. They came to Heleus less than a century before the AI arrived and we don't know their origins. All we have to go on is that the Archon states he is the inheritor of 1000 species. Perhaps their interest in the Angara stems from what they believe to be is a common ancestry... i.e. perhaps the Jardaan created both the Angara and the Kett after creating 998 other species (failed experiments)... and the Kett are look to unravel the history of their own creation. Their interest in the AI is for their talents... so they can be used to make effective shock troops.
In the game you learn that the Archon has broken established Kett protocol and refuses to contact the Senate which is the leaders of the Kett Empire. He is also keeping the new genetics from the Angara for his own troops and not allowing it to be shared with the Kett Empire. For this protocol to exist and for the Archon to claim he is the result of 1,000 species and the fact they have no Relays which makes travel between clusters take months the Kett would have to have been at this for a very very long time. Particularly if it has taken 75 years to deal with the Angara.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 5, 2019 16:46:39 GMT
1. Yes horrific genetic experiments that resulted in thousands dying. None of which they would have done on any ideal citizen. Which is also why there was a shit load of war crimes for that action due to how terrible they were.
2. Nazis were also calling on a lot of mythology and didn't have a full complete understanding of genetics anywhere close to the level we do today. Nordic populations matched the blonde hair blue eye ideas and were considered acceptable.
3. Cerberus actions were done to further the position of human superiority. At no point did they fundamentally alter every single human and non human in the milky way save for 20 Cerberus supporting families that allow them to keep the pure unaltered human DNA and rule the entire altered milky way galaxy. At no point in time was Cerberus taking genetics from other races and forcing them into human genetics and trying to forcibly alter Turians, Asari, Krogan, Salarians into humans.
... and aren't you assuming that the Archon and Kett have that higher level of understanding of genetics than the Nazi's did. Perhaps the kett ARE relying on Jardaanian Mythology to a large degree. The Kett would have to have a detailed understanding of genetics to be able to transform an Angara into a Kett so much so that there isn't a scrap of Angara DNA left over. The Kett literally turn florida panther into a german shepard. So yes they do have a greater understanding otherwise they wouldn't be capable of the forcible genetic change on every level to exalt individuals.
This is backed up by countless codex entries that talk about how the Kett's technology is almost hyper focused on genetics leaving them to pretty much scavenge other tech from other races and utilize it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 16:51:26 GMT
Where are you getting tthat the kett have spent "untold thousands of years roaming Andromeda. They came to Heleus less than a century before the AI arrived and we don't know their origins. All we have to go on is that the Archon states he is the inheritor of 1000 species. Perhaps their interest in the Angara stems from what they believe to be is a common ancestry... i.e. perhaps the Jardaan created both the Angara and the Kett after creating 998 other species (failed experiments)... and the Kett are look to unravel the history of their own creation. Their interest in the AI is for their talents... so they can be used to make effective shock troops.
In the game you learn that the Archon has broken established Kett protocol and refuses to contact the Senate which is the leaders of the Kett Empire. He is also keeping the new genetics from the Angara for his own troops and not allowing it to be shared with the Kett Empire. For this protocol to exist and for the Archon to claim he is the result of 1,000 species and the fact they have no Relays which makes travel between clusters take months the Kett would have to have been at this for a very very long time. Particularly if it has taken 75 years to deal with the Angara.
Where in that information of Adan do you see a reference to specifically roaming the galaxy for untold thousands of years? It isn't there. The species mentioned are vassals and could all have existed ina single cluster... and the process of exaltation "past viable population" might take a century since they seem to have made a significant dent in the Angaran population in less than a century.
Again, I repeat - The Angaran history is found to be a total fabrication by the Jaardaan. What precludes that being true for anything the Kett think they believe about their history?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 16:53:14 GMT
... and aren't you assuming that the Archon and Kett have that higher level of understanding of genetics than the Nazi's did. Perhaps the kett ARE relying on Jardaanian Mythology to a large degree. The Kett would have to have a detailed understanding of genetics to be able to transform an Angara into a Kett so much so that there isn't a scrap of Angara DNA left over. The Kett literally turn florida panther into a german shepard. So yes they do have a greater understanding otherwise they wouldn't be capable of the forcible genetic change on every level to exalt individuals.
This is backed up by countless codex entries that talk about how the Kett's technology is almost hyper focused on genetics leaving them to pretty much scavenge other tech from other races and utilize it.
Not necessarily. The MW species operated from the Citadel for thousands of years without understanding it. If the "genetic" manipulation was a tech left behind by the Jardaan, perhaps the Kett are just using it without fully understanding it.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 5, 2019 17:26:58 GMT
In the game you learn that the Archon has broken established Kett protocol and refuses to contact the Senate which is the leaders of the Kett Empire. He is also keeping the new genetics from the Angara for his own troops and not allowing it to be shared with the Kett Empire. For this protocol to exist and for the Archon to claim he is the result of 1,000 species and the fact they have no Relays which makes travel between clusters take months the Kett would have to have been at this for a very very long time. Particularly if it has taken 75 years to deal with the Angara.
Where in that information of Adan do you see a reference to specifically roaming the galaxy for untold thousands of years? It isn't there. The species mentioned are vassals and could all have existed ina single cluster... and the process of exaltation "past viable population" might take a century since they seem to have made a significant dent in the Angaran population in less than a century.
Again, I repeat - The Angaran history is found to be a total fabrication by the Jaardaan. What precludes that being true for anything the Kett think they believe about their history?
The Jaardaan created the Angara and then the Scourge hit and shattered the Angara culture forcing them to rebuild on planets that who's vaults were malfunctioning. They were still recovering from the Scourge when the Kett showed up.
The Angara were not created 80 years ago they have a shit load of history lost to time and the Scourge.
No race operated the Citadel because it was operated for them by the Keepers. Angara do not just spontaneously become Kett. Krogan do not spontaneously become Behemoths. These actions require intimate knowledge of how to alter the genetics and how to splice those genetics into existing Kett DNA in a way that renders it beneficial rather then causing a shit load of negative effects.
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Where in that information of Adan do you see a reference to specifically roaming the galaxy for untold thousands of years? It isn't there. The species mentioned are vassals and could all have existed ina single cluster... and the process of exaltation "past viable population" might take a century since they seem to have made a significant dent in the Angaran population in less than a century.
Again, I repeat - The Angaran history is found to be a total fabrication by the Jaardaan. What precludes that being true for anything the Kett think they believe about their history?
The Jaardaan created the Angara and then the Scourge hit and shattered the Angara culture forcing them to rebuild on planets that who's vaults were malfunctioning. They were still recovering from the Scourge when the Kett showed up.
The Angara were not created 80 years ago they have a shit load of history lost to time and the Scourge.
No race operated the Citadel because it was operated for them by the Keepers. Angara do not just spontaneously become Kett. Krogan do not spontaneously become Behemoths. These actions require intimate knowledge of how to alter the genetics and how to splice those genetics into existing Kett DNA in a way that renders it beneficial rather then causing a shit load of negative effects.
Yeah. If you collect all the artifacts for Avela and are in a romance with her, she'll ask you to meet her about a discovery she has made. When you do, she'll say that her research has revealed that their history is only about a millennium long. While the Keepers operated some systems, the Citadel races did operate other parts of the Citadel. For example we see them close the Citadel arms at the end of ME1, as well as Shepard opening them to allow the fleet to attack Sovereign.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 5, 2019 18:24:08 GMT
The kett developed genetic manipulation tech on their own, surely. There's nothing in the narrative to suggest otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 19:05:15 GMT
The kett developed genetic manipulation tech on their own, surely. There's nothing in the narrative to suggest otherwise. There is nothing to suggest that the kett did all rhe research necessary to develop their genetic manipulation process from scratch. Whereas, the game shows us that the Jardaan did that sort of research... developing prototypes of various species that we find at Khi Tasira.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 19:14:14 GMT
Where in that information of Adan do you see a reference to specifically roaming the galaxy for untold thousands of years? It isn't there. The species mentioned are vassals and could all have existed ina single cluster... and the process of exaltation "past viable population" might take a century since they seem to have made a significant dent in the Angaran population in less than a century.
Again, I repeat - The Angaran history is found to be a total fabrication by the Jaardaan. What precludes that being true for anything the Kett think they believe about their history?
The Jaardaan created the Angara and then the Scourge hit and shattered the Angara culture forcing them to rebuild on planets that who's vaults were malfunctioning. They were still recovering from the Scourge when the Kett showed up.
The Angara were not created 80 years ago they have a shit load of history lost to time and the Scourge.
No race operated the Citadel because it was operated for them by the Keepers. Angara do not just spontaneously become Kett. Krogan do not spontaneously become Behemoths. These actions require intimate knowledge of how to alter the genetics and how to splice those genetics into existing Kett DNA in a way that renders it beneficial rather then causing a shit load of negative effects.
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As for the second part, I said they operated FROM the Citadel... using it and the Mass Relays extensively for more than a millennia without bothering to understand how they worked. They did not do the research needed to have built either the Citadel or the Mass Relays. Similarly, the kett could have "found" the formula for genetic manipulation left behind by the Jardaan (who the game shows use did work with genetic prototypes in order to create several species in Heleus)... and then just used it to their own ends.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 6, 2019 14:25:14 GMT
The Jaardaan created the Angara and then the Scourge hit and shattered the Angara culture forcing them to rebuild on planets that who's vaults were malfunctioning. They were still recovering from the Scourge when the Kett showed up.
The Angara were not created 80 years ago they have a shit load of history lost to time and the Scourge.
No race operated the Citadel because it was operated for them by the Keepers. Angara do not just spontaneously become Kett. Krogan do not spontaneously become Behemoths. These actions require intimate knowledge of how to alter the genetics and how to splice those genetics into existing Kett DNA in a way that renders it beneficial rather then causing a shit load of negative effects.
Yeah. If you collect all the artifacts for Avela and are in a romance with her, she'll ask you to meet her about a discovery she has made. When you do, she'll say that her research has revealed that their history is only about a millennium long. While the Keepers operated some systems, the Citadel races did operate other parts of the Citadel. For example we see them close the Citadel arms at the end of ME1, as well as Shepard opening them to allow the fleet to attack Sovereign. So all live save for the Jardaan are only 1,000 years old?
Opening and closing the Citadel is pretty low key operation. On par with a tech illiterate parent/grandparent still being able to turn on and off a computer.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 6, 2019 14:29:12 GMT
The Jaardaan created the Angara and then the Scourge hit and shattered the Angara culture forcing them to rebuild on planets that who's vaults were malfunctioning. They were still recovering from the Scourge when the Kett showed up.
The Angara were not created 80 years ago they have a shit load of history lost to time and the Scourge.
No race operated the Citadel because it was operated for them by the Keepers. Angara do not just spontaneously become Kett. Krogan do not spontaneously become Behemoths. These actions require intimate knowledge of how to alter the genetics and how to splice those genetics into existing Kett DNA in a way that renders it beneficial rather then causing a shit load of negative effects.
Starting at 9:03
As for the second part, I said they operated FROM the Citadel... using it and the Mass Relays extensively for more than a millennia without bothering to understand how they worked. They did not do the research needed to have built either the Citadel or the Mass Relays. Similarly, the kett could have "found" the formula for genetic manipulation left behind by the Jardaan (who the game shows use did work with genetic prototypes in order to create several species in Heleus)... and then just used it to their own ends.
So every race but the Jardaann are less then 1000 years old? Tell me how could the Kett have gained that much territory in only 1,000 years? Given it has taken 75 years to subdue the Angara?
Citadel and Mass Relays were auto working designed by the Reapers to seamlessly interact with the tech that was shared between the two. Connecting a blue tooth device to a smart phone is pretty easy to do even if you don't understand how any of it work. And keeping with the phone metaphor it is vastly different then trying to program an app for said phone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 15:18:22 GMT
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As for the second part, I said they operated FROM the Citadel... using it and the Mass Relays extensively for more than a millennia without bothering to understand how they worked. They did not do the research needed to have built either the Citadel or the Mass Relays. Similarly, the kett could have "found" the formula for genetic manipulation left behind by the Jardaan (who the game shows use did work with genetic prototypes in order to create several species in Heleus)... and then just used it to their own ends.
So every race but the Jardaann are less then 1000 years old? Tell me how could the Kett have gained that much territory in only 1,000 years? Given it has taken 75 years to subdue the Angara?
Citadel and Mass Relays were auto working designed by the Reapers to seamlessly interact with the tech that was shared between the two. Connecting a blue tooth device to a smart phone is pretty easy to do even if you don't understand how any of it work. And keeping with the phone metaphor it is vastly different then trying to program an app for said phone.
How do you know for sure that the history of the kett described by Dr. Aden is 1) not a fabrication of the Jardaan (if the Jardaan also created the kett) just as the history the Angara believed they had was a fabrication (i.e. no generations of generations of reincarnation, etc.) OR 2) that the few vassal species named were not "local" to whatever territory the kett originated from? You don't know because those details are not expressed in the game... yet.
The Citadel species are undeniably using the Mass Relays in their everyday travels without knowing how to make one. Similarly, the kett could have obtained ready-usable genetic alteration tech (procedures) without having a thorough understanding of the genetics involved. Again, we don't know BECAUSE Bioware does not tell us that the kett did extensive base research in order to obtain their genetic modification tech. You're the one assuming they did. What we are told is that the Jardaan did such research.
Regardless of all your lofty assumptions... Bioware from this point could logically write a future game that tells us everything we thought we knew about the kett and everything the kett thought they knew about themselves was a fabricated history handed to them by their creators (particularly, if they were created by the Jardaan). Why? Because we are told by Avela that the Jardaan did exactly that with the Angara. What was done once as plot twist can be done again as a further twist on that same plot. It's a work of fiction that Bioware has yet to write.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 6, 2019 15:41:11 GMT
So every race but the Jardaann are less then 1000 years old? Tell me how could the Kett have gained that much territory in only 1,000 years? Given it has taken 75 years to subdue the Angara? No, that timeframe only applies to the Angara. The Kett came from a different part of the galaxy so weren’t created by the Jaardan.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Dec 6, 2019 16:16:30 GMT
So every race but the Jardaann are less then 1000 years old? Tell me how could the Kett have gained that much territory in only 1,000 years? Given it has taken 75 years to subdue the Angara?
Citadel and Mass Relays were auto working designed by the Reapers to seamlessly interact with the tech that was shared between the two. Connecting a blue tooth device to a smart phone is pretty easy to do even if you don't understand how any of it work. And keeping with the phone metaphor it is vastly different then trying to program an app for said phone.
How do you know for sure that the history of the kett described by Dr. Aden is 1) not a fabrication of the Jardaan (if the Jardaan also created the kett) just as the history the Angara believed they had was a fabrication (i.e. no generations of generations of reincarnation, etc.) OR 2) that the few vassal species named were not "local" to whatever territory the kett originated from? You don't know because those details are not expressed in the game... yet.
The Citadel species are undeniably using the Mass Relays in their everyday travels without knowing how to make one. Similarly, the kett could have obtained ready-usable genetic alteration tech (procedures) without having a thorough understanding of the genetics involved. Again, we don't know BECAUSE Bioware does not tell us that the kett did extensive base research in order to obtain their genetic modification tech. You're the one assuming they did. What we are told is that the Jardaan did such research.
Regardless of all your lofty assumptions... Bioware from this point could logically write a future game that tells us everything we thought we knew about the kett and everything the kett thought they knew about themselves was a fabricated history handed to them by their creators (particularly, if they were created by the Jardaan). Why? Because we are told by Avela that the Jardaan did exactly that with the Angara. What was done once as plot twist can be done again as a further twist on that same plot. It's a work of fiction that Bioware has yet to write.
WTF would they create the Kett, give them massive amounts of territory and create a few dozen races just to be captured and enslaved by the Kett? This argument also implies that the Jardaan are the only life that Andromeda created. Andromeda is larger then the Milky Way and some how it only is capable of having a single garden world? And that even though billions of years have seen hundreds of species originate in the Milky Way over and over again, Andromeda some how in that time was unable to produce more then 1?
The game tells us pretty straight forward in Codexs that the Kett have mastered genetic manipulation and have expended considerable amount of work in the act of improving and allowing such genetic manipulation. Even if you want to argue that they found some scrap Jardaan tech they have mastered it completely and thus nothing like the milky way were they had no idea about the true inner workings of the Citadel or Relays.
Yes BioWare can write anything they want. They could even turn the Kett into cuddly kittens who love everyone and everything and are super benevolent with the Archon and crew being a splinter group. That doesn't change what is current written and how stupid it all is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 17:00:48 GMT
How do you know for sure that the history of the kett described by Dr. Aden is 1) not a fabrication of the Jardaan (if the Jardaan also created the kett) just as the history the Angara believed they had was a fabrication (i.e. no generations of generations of reincarnation, etc.) OR 2) that the few vassal species named were not "local" to whatever territory the kett originated from? You don't know because those details are not expressed in the game... yet.
The Citadel species are undeniably using the Mass Relays in their everyday travels without knowing how to make one. Similarly, the kett could have obtained ready-usable genetic alteration tech (procedures) without having a thorough understanding of the genetics involved. Again, we don't know BECAUSE Bioware does not tell us that the kett did extensive base research in order to obtain their genetic modification tech. You're the one assuming they did. What we are told is that the Jardaan did such research.
Regardless of all your lofty assumptions... Bioware from this point could logically write a future game that tells us everything we thought we knew about the kett and everything the kett thought they knew about themselves was a fabricated history handed to them by their creators (particularly, if they were created by the Jardaan). Why? Because we are told by Avela that the Jardaan did exactly that with the Angara. What was done once as plot twist can be done again as a further twist on that same plot. It's a work of fiction that Bioware has yet to write.
WTF would they create the Kett, give them massive amounts of territory and create a few dozen races just to be captured and enslaved by the Kett? This argument also implies that the Jardaan are the only life that Andromeda created. Andromeda is larger then the Milky Way and some how it only is capable of having a single garden world? And that even though billions of years have seen hundreds of species originate in the Milky Way over and over again, Andromeda some how in that time was unable to produce more then 1?
The game tells us pretty straight forward in Codexs that the Kett have mastered genetic manipulation and have expended considerable amount of work in the act of improving and allowing such genetic manipulation. Even if you want to argue that they found some scrap Jardaan tech they have mastered it completely and thus nothing like the milky way were they had no idea about the true inner workings of the Citadel or Relays.
Yes BioWare can write anything they want. They could even turn the Kett into cuddly kittens who love everyone and everything and are super benevolent with the Archon and crew being a splinter group. That doesn't change what is current written and how stupid it all is.
There are discrepancies... From what we saw of exaltation in the game, the Cardinal was unchanged by the exchange. Only that Angaran individual was turned into anything different that he was before the injections were made. There was no sign of the Cardinal taking in anything of the DNA of the Angaran individual. What we were shown in the game was a one-way process... designed to turn an Angara into a shock trooper.
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Post by skekSil on Dec 6, 2019 18:47:11 GMT
You seem pretty confident what alien races capable of rewriting own DNA on the fly would or wouldnt do. Perhaps you have enough personal experience with them to make such firm assertions? I for one know only one intelligent species (not alien mind you) and its representatives are capable of holding most bizzare, irrational, illogical, downright self contradictory and simply stupid ideas and then base their entire worldview around them. Because the idea of genetic superiority of your own ancestral DNA and the act of spending untold thousands of years roaming the Andromeda Galaxy collecting new genetics and converting possibly dozens of new races into Kett while at the same time sharing that same new genetics across the entire empire.
I think something is missing here.
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