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Post by smilesja on Jan 23, 2020 19:14:01 GMT
Wait I like Andromeda so I'm not a real player?
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 23, 2020 21:47:40 GMT
Since ME3 broke with lore, we might as well break all of the lore and scrap the very ideas that the IP was founded on - things like the Mass Effect and Mass Relays, the grounding of ship reactor cores, Element Zero and all of the other things that were built upon so much in the old series. Let's just call it space magic and abandon science fiction all together. If this is a rant about the ODSY drive, it's not very well thought out. That drive doesn't do anything that the Reapers don't already do.
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Post by roivas on Jan 23, 2020 22:04:52 GMT
Have you ever played ME 1, ME2 & ME 3? You know you have to import ME1 save so your choices matter in ME 2 & ME 3? And have to do that every time you want to change something in the story? Since ME1, ME2 & ME3 were really good game, it never was a problem in any of my 8/9 playthrough. 1 Playthrough of MEA was more than enough for me. So yes, don't want to be forced to replay this game anytime I would want to try something different in the next ME story, because, that was a thing I loved a lot in ME trilogy, changing my choices & discover the consequences ... Yes, I've played the trilogy. Any of the games can be played without importing any saves. You'll get a default set of previous choices. The same is true of the DA games. If you "want to try something different in the next ME story, because, that was a thing I loved a lot", that's your free choice from which you expect to derive benefits. It is not a requirement and not forced. (BTW, there are usually save files with different choices available for download. There are also save file editors available for some games. The DA series now has the Dragon Age Keep, which allows you to configure any combination of previous choices you'd like to import to DAI. If ME:Next offers any continuity, I would expect they'll do something similar - especially since they'll likely need to use next-gen hardware that would not support import from previous gen.) Default set don't cover every choices, neither is genesis. Save game from someone else no thx. So since I'm a completionist (english?) if a new ME game had to come & had to be linked to ME:A, I would be forced to play ME:A because I would wnat to see every aspect, every story of the game. And playing ME:A was really a challenge for me, it was so boring most of time (first time in my life I felt asleep while playing). Anyway, not the subject, just trying to explain why I voted no. A keep like DA:I why not, but I was so lost when I had to make choices because last time I played DA:O / DA:2 was like 3 years before DA:I came out & I didn't had every DLC so was unsure of the choices i had to make at some moment. And it's not really the same as "living" the story by playing the game. Anway that's my point of view. I don't expect everyone to understand the way I feel while playing some games (expecially ME Trilogy that really really had a big emotional impact one me). The mockery of some people here was really unecessary & I'll just go back to the shadows & let the vocal fanbase speaks. I just hope that the next ME will be as good as ME Trilogy was, wherever & whenever it take place. And excuse my english~
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 23, 2020 23:26:27 GMT
Ok, but that's just you being a bit crazy.Any sequel would start from a set of choices you could have made.
Anyway, couldn't you just use your existing ME:A save? If you tossed it, that's on you.
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Yes, I've played the trilogy. Any of the games can be played without importing any saves. You'll get a default set of previous choices. The same is true of the DA games. If you "want to try something different in the next ME story, because, that was a thing I loved a lot", that's your free choice from which you expect to derive benefits. It is not a requirement and not forced. (BTW, there are usually save files with different choices available for download. There are also save file editors available for some games. The DA series now has the Dragon Age Keep, which allows you to configure any combination of previous choices you'd like to import to DAI. If ME:Next offers any continuity, I would expect they'll do something similar - especially since they'll likely need to use next-gen hardware that would not support import from previous gen.) Default set don't cover every choices, neither is genesis. Save game from someone else no thx. So since I'm a completionist (english?) if a new ME game had to come & had to be linked to ME:A, I would be forced to play ME:A because I would wnat to see every aspect, every story of the game. And playing ME:A was really a challenge for me, it was so boring most of time (first time in my life I felt asleep while playing). Anyway, not the subject, just trying to explain why I voted no. A keep like DA:I why not, but I was so lost when I had to make choices because last time I played DA:O / DA:2 was like 3 years before DA:I came out & I didn't had every DLC so was unsure of the choices i had to make at some moment. And it's not really the same as "living" the story by playing the game. Anway that's my point of view. I don't expect everyone to understand the way I feel while playing some games (expecially ME Trilogy that really really had a big emotional impact one me). The mockery of some people here was really unecessary & I'll just go back to the shadows & let the vocal fanbase speaks. I just hope that the next ME will be as good as ME Trilogy was, wherever & whenever it take place. And excuse my english~ ... and what about some consideration then for people who like ME:A and really want to find out how that story ends, but would be truly "forced" to abandon the story if Bioware chooses not to make ME:A2? We can't even begin to choose to play or not play a game that is never made.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 23, 2020 23:52:53 GMT
Since ME3 broke with lore, we might as well break all of the lore and scrap the very ideas that the IP was founded on - things like the Mass Effect and Mass Relays, the grounding of ship reactor cores, Element Zero and all of the other things that were built upon so much in the old series. Let's just call it space magic and abandon science fiction all together. If this is a rant about the ODSY drive, it's not very well thought out. That drive doesn't do anything that the Reapers don't already do. Indeed bu then wasn't the Tantalus drive core that the Normandy ships we were flying in the trilogy new tech as well? That and the ship's stealth systems whic hmade Shep and co harder to spot until they ewre well into their missions. So the ODSY drive wasn't the only experimental thing. I'm guessing thouigh that they ewre slightl ydifferent in design due to the fac tthat the O DSY drive wsa going t ohav et ofl yfo r600+ years without stopping due to the time it's going t otake to get from the MW to Andromeda whereas the Tantalus core was designed more with military ships in mind.
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 24, 2020 0:31:10 GMT
Odyssey (Tempest model) , Tantalus: shipping between Hercules and Theseus But not Attika Beta to Hades Nexus
Mass Portal power: reaching Hades Nexus from Attika Beta, because resource efficient
Odyssey like : one way journey from milky-way to andromeda
Where exactly is the lore issue?
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Post by shermos on Jan 24, 2020 10:58:01 GMT
Wait I like Andromeda so I'm not a real player?
The original poll already covers specifics pretty well. This one is asking how much of the hardcore fan base can accept a compromise for the setting even if it's not their ideal.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 24, 2020 16:54:15 GMT
In the original thread I voted for an ME3 sequel with Shepard. I want my team back, with the exception of Jacob. Jacob should have been executed for incompetence on Lazarus Station along with Wilson the traitor. I have no interest in playing as a snot-nosed Ryder. In Andromeda there are a lot of issues that were brought up by the community that flagged the game as "likely to be a dumpster fire". I did not purchase the game as I am dissatisfied with ME3 and am part of the "Hold the Wallet" group. I'm still holding the wallet for BioWare, Bethesda and EA games as an aside - everything recently has been all hype and lies for mediocre (at best) games with roadmaps. Real reviews from real players paint a pretty clear picture of Andromeda and I am glad that I saved the money. The entire idea of going to the Andromeda Galaxy/Cluster is a pathetic attempt at hiding from the controversy created by dim witted writers with no passion. Since ME3 broke with lore, we might as well break all of the lore and scrap the very ideas that the IP was founded on - things like the Mass Effect and Mass Relays, the grounding of ship reactor cores, Element Zero and all of the other things that were built upon so much in the old series. Let's just call it space magic and abandon science fiction all together. They also abandoned good writing - as the game has no story that grabs me, no hook. There don't have to be an Ilos in the game or even a Citadel, but I would like something that made me feel like those places did in ME and ME2. I wanted to go back to Ilos in ME2 and ME3 just becasue of the missions we had in ME1 - the place was amazing. I think it comes off as a tad obtuse to chalk up abandoning the old setting as a simple matter of "hiding from the controversy". To use a smaller scale example, let's look at the Warden from DA:O. As many times as people wanted this character to return, there was one big reason why any hope of the Warden returning in any sequels was nonexistent: the Warden can die. Putting aside the voiced protagonist model that BioWare was keen on instituting throughout its entire canon going forward, this part of the world state creates a lot of issues for any future games. BioWare would have to essentially canonize the Warden's survival and ignore the ultimate sacrifice. The problem with THAT though is that people actually love it, because it fits so well into the story. Whether ME3's ending is considered good or not is neither here or there. The fact that Shepard actually dies in most end states dashes any hope of that character going forward, but then triples down on other huge world state options, like entire species going extinct. The Milky Way is a narrative tomb, and "passion" won't change the fact that reconciling all of this would require just flat out ignoring most of the details and picking a single path to run with. Whether or not fans would accept this decision is anyone's guess, but BioWare already got flack for our decisions not mattering. It's just funny to me that people want their decisions to matter even less. You know, Eezo itself is basically space magic. It's lyrium in space. But you know what else is space magic, resurrecting someone from the dead after being flung into a planet's atmosphere with a breached suit, where "resources" is a catch-all solution that guarantees that anything can be cheated, if you can afford it. If we really want to see where Mass Effect started going off the rails with its scifi setting, look no further than ME2's allegedly amazing intro.* *honorable mention to ME1's Thorian. A plant being able to manufacture biotic asari clones, fully armed and armored is just hilariously bad if you even give it a passing thought. They should really have just been nude maniacs, but that would be far too sexy for the player base to handle.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 24, 2020 17:15:46 GMT
No, I just MEA2. I don't want to revisit the MWG.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 24, 2020 17:47:14 GMT
I would be against this from a narrative point of view. It would kinda defeat the whole reason for moving the story to Andromeda in the first pace (which was not to have to deal with the ME3 ending consequences).
That said, this actually made me think. Wouldn't it have been a good idea for the Initiative to bring a mass relay along? I mean, one could probably come up with 1000 reasons why they couldn't (no relays to "spare", no way to line it up with an MW relay over this distance, relays wouldn't work, whatever) but bringing a relay on the hope that one might be able to establish instant connection between the galaxies on arrival would have been a pretty cool thing to do.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 24, 2020 17:55:13 GMT
I would be against this from a narrative point of view. It would kinda defeat the whole reason for moving the story to Andromeda in the first pace (which was not to have to deal with the ME3 ending consequences). That said, this actually made me think. Wouldn't it have been a good idea for the Initiative to bring a mass relay along? I mean, one could probably come up with 1000 reasons why they couldn't (no relays to "spare", no way to line it up with an MW relay over this distance, relays wouldn't work, whatever) but bringing a relay on the hope that one might be able to establish instant connection between the galaxies on arrival would have been a pretty cool thing to do. It'd probably be a huge hurdle to pair it with just any random relay, but undoubtedly the Council would take military action against anyone attempting to take any inactive relays.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 24, 2020 17:57:08 GMT
I would be against this from a narrative point of view. It would kinda defeat the whole reason for moving the story to Andromeda in the first pace (which was not to have to deal with the ME3 ending consequences). That said, this actually made me think. Wouldn't it have been a good idea for the Initiative to bring a mass relay along? I mean, one could probably come up with 1000 reasons why they couldn't (no relays to "spare", no way to line it up with an MW relay over this distance, relays wouldn't work, whatever) but bringing a relay on the hope that one might be able to establish instant connection between the galaxies on arrival would have been a pretty cool thing to do. It'd probably be a huge hurdle to pair it with just any random relay, but undoubtedly the Council would take military action against anyone attempting to take any inactive relays. Oh no, I meant that this would have to be coordinated with the council and that the MW people prepare a relay on their side to line it up with as well. Obviously it couldn't work if they just stole one. In fact, I always headcanoned that - even though the AI is privately funded and admistered - they had to coordinate most of their efforts with the council regardless.
I mean, just building the Nexus and the Arks ... No way they could have just done that without clearing it with the coucil first in a universe where you have stuff like the treaty of Farixen.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 24, 2020 17:59:00 GMT
It'd probably be a huge hurdle to pair it with just any random relay, but undoubtedly the Council would take military action against anyone attempting to take any inactive relays. Oh no, I meant that this would have to be coordinated with the council and that the MW people prepare a relay on their side to line it up with as well. Obviously it couldn't work if they just stole one. They'd never let go of one, since that automatically cuts off any system it would pair with.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 24, 2020 18:02:57 GMT
Oh no, I meant that this would have to be coordinated with the council and that the MW people prepare a relay on their side to line it up with as well. Obviously it couldn't work if they just stole one. They'd never let go of one, since that automatically cuts off any system it would pair with. Actually, not necessarily. I know they kinda changed it (or rather never mentioned it again) later on in the lore but in Revelation and ME1, the lore was still that there are multiple relays in each cluster. There were even primary and secondary ones that linked to different systems (or could rotate to realign to other relays). So it is supposed to be a network where there should be clusters that have multiple routes to them. But anyway, it would only be an option if the council really supported the Andromeda expansion wholeheartedly and were more involved I guess. Was more just a little silly idea that popped into my head.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 19:13:01 GMT
It'd probably be a huge hurdle to pair it with just any random relay, but undoubtedly the Council would take military action against anyone attempting to take any inactive relays. Oh no, I meant that this would have to be coordinated with the council and that the MW people prepare a relay on their side to line it up with as well. Obviously it couldn't work if they just stole one. In fact, I always headcanoned that - even though the AI is privately funded and admistered - they had to coordinate most of their efforts with the council regardless.
I mean, just building the Nexus and the Arks ... No way they could have just done that without clearing it with the coucil first in a universe where you have stuff like the treaty of Farixen. Who knows yet... maybe they did steal a relay... the mini-relay from Ilos. It would easily fit onto the Nexus and possibly no one would notice it missing from Ilos since everything shut down there. It can make a mako do the longest jump in the galaxy in ME1 from Ilos to the Citadel, going right through the galactic core without a hiccup... So, who is to say it can't perhaps make an even longer one-way jump from Andromeda to the Milky Way and land a Nomad right smack onto the Citadel plaza. (joking... I think...hmmm... maybe not). Over that type of distance, maybe there's a little bit more drift... so, maybe the Nomad lands at the base of the Tower of London instead.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 24, 2020 21:44:32 GMT
Oh no, I meant that this would have to be coordinated with the council and that the MW people prepare a relay on their side to line it up with as well. Obviously it couldn't work if they just stole one. In fact, I always headcanoned that - even though the AI is privately funded and admistered - they had to coordinate most of their efforts with the council regardless.
I mean, just building the Nexus and the Arks ... No way they could have just done that without clearing it with the coucil first in a universe where you have stuff like the treaty of Farixen. Who knows yet... maybe they did steal a relay... the mini-relay from Ilos. It would easily fit onto the Nexus and possibly no one would notice it missing from Ilos since everything shut down there. It can make a mako do the longest jump in the galaxy in ME1 from Ilos to the Citadel, going right through the galactic core without a hiccup... So, who is to say it can't perhaps make an even longer one-way jump from Andromeda to the Milky Way and land a Nomad right smack onto the Citadel plaza. (joking... I think...hmmm... maybe not). Over that type of distance, maybe there's a little bit more drift... so, maybe the Nomad lands at the base of the Tower of London instead. Honestly, the whole principle behind creating a mass free corridor should not be something so far beyond these people to reverse engineer themselves. I mean, they already harness the source of its power to similar effect in just about every facet of their lives. Whether or not it results in the iconic design of the relay itself doesn't really much matter. It could just be something that looks a bit crude, like a clunky hypergate that serves as a catapult to a paired system. Imagine it being something like Contact, where they build their device, then send the plans across space for someone else to create a partner. Of course, this would only be under the condition that no one knows of the Reaper attack. I know I'd rather just leave that alone for good lol One thing I wouldn't mind Mass Effect doing in the future is abandon iconography in favor of development of the setting. If it wasn't for the scorching of the Milky Way setting, I would have been entirely for a system where the leftover reaper tech, in the reapers' absence, gets entirely obsolesced by races that start to go beyond what the machines intended.
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Who knows yet... maybe they did steal a relay... the mini-relay from Ilos. It would easily fit onto the Nexus and possibly no one would notice it missing from Ilos since everything shut down there. It can make a mako do the longest jump in the galaxy in ME1 from Ilos to the Citadel, going right through the galactic core without a hiccup... So, who is to say it can't perhaps make an even longer one-way jump from Andromeda to the Milky Way and land a Nomad right smack onto the Citadel plaza. (joking... I think...hmmm... maybe not). Over that type of distance, maybe there's a little bit more drift... so, maybe the Nomad lands at the base of the Tower of London instead. Honestly, the whole principle behind creating a mass free corridor should not be something so far beyond these people to reverse engineer themselves. I mean, they already harness the source of its power to similar effect in just about every facet of their lives. Whether or not it results in the iconic design of the relay itself doesn't really much matter. It could just be something that looks a bit crude, like a clunky hypergate that serves as a catapult to a paired system. Imagine it being something like Contact, where they build their device, then send the plans across space for someone else to create a partner. Of course, this would only be under the condition that no one knows of the Reaper attack. I know I'd rather just leave that alone for good lol One thing I wouldn't mind Mass Effect doing in the future is abandon iconography in favor of development of the setting. If it wasn't for the scorching of the Milky Way setting, I would have been entirely for a system where the leftover reaper tech, in the reapers' absence, gets entirely obsolesced by races that start to go beyond what the machines intended. I do think the issue of how to create a connected paired relay set with Andromeda is a valid question though. The principle set out in ME1 was that the Primary relays (which are the ones capable of creating the cooridors over the longer distances worked in set pairs. If the relay were constructed in Andromeda, I don't see an obvious way to pair it up with any of the relays already in the Milky Way and no way to communicate with the Milky Way to set one up at that end. Possible that it all was pre-arranged I suppose such that some group was actively building a relay to connect to the one that would eventually be built in Andromeda... but I don't see how they would necessarily finish it since the construction would have been interrupte by the Reaper War.
Of course, they violated their own network idea within ME1 itself by utilizing the one-way mini-relay... which already survived one Reaper harvest. That makes it viable as an instant relay directly to the Citadel itself. The one on Ilos was the one that originated the jump (that is, the jump was from Ilos to the Citadel). It is small enough to be transported on the Nexus and Ilos is isolated enough for that relay to be stolen without anyone noticing. It is already a paired relay with the mini-relay statue on the Citadel itself. If the AI takes the Ilos relay to Andromeda, I see no reason really that it could not be activated there and used to get to the MW Citadel from Andromeda. The only issue possibly stopping it would be the length of the jump... but that little relay is already shown to us to be capable of making longer jumps than any other relay in the Milky Way. It's really not that big a stretch. Of course, it means that whoever leaves Andromeda for the Milky Way can't get back to Andromeda since the mini-relays, we have been told, only work in one direction.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 24, 2020 23:36:43 GMT
Would one-way be good enough? I'm not clear on what problem we're actually trying to solve with this design hypothetical.
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Would one-way be good enough? I'm not clear on what problem we're actually trying to solve with this design hypothetical. I guess a way for the members of the AI to believe that a "some day" return to the Milky Way would be possible. One-way would not be good enough, but the members of the AI would be under the expectation that individuals left in the Milky Way (perhaps hired by Garson or the Benefactor) would have 600 years to do further Mass Relay research in order to get the Citadel mini-relay fully online so that the corridor created could be used in both directions. The "fly in the lotion," however, could be that the Reaper War hits. When members of the AI activate the relay in Andromeda and take the corridor back to the Milky Way, they wind up being stuck in a largely destroyed/changed Milky Way and unable to return to Andrormeda... until, that is, they can figure out how to alter the Citadel relay so that the corridor works in both directions.
Perhaps it could be that the tech from the Jaardan is what helps restore the ecosystems ruined by the Reapers/Crucible during the Reaper War.
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Is RGB still a thing in the Milky Way?
If so, then f*ck that noise.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2020 1:09:14 GMT
Since ME3 broke with lore, we might as well break all of the lore and scrap the very ideas that the IP was founded on - things like the Mass Effect and Mass Relays, the grounding of ship reactor cores, Element Zero and all of the other things that were built upon so much in the old series. Let's just call it space magic and abandon science fiction all together. If this is a rant about the ODSY drive, it's not very well thought out. That drive doesn't do anything that the Reapers don't already do. Except there was absolutely no indication that anything like the ODSY drive existed prior to MEA. The entire point of the relay network was to TRAP the races in the Milky Way so they can be harvested. The ODSY drive renders the entire trilogy and ab billion years of Reaper cycles. Or maybe it just emphasizes how awesomely special humanity is for coming up with it...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 1:40:27 GMT
If this is a rant about the ODSY drive, it's not very well thought out. That drive doesn't do anything that the Reapers don't already do. Except there was absolutely no indication that anything like the ODSY drive existed prior to MEA. The entire point of the relay network was to TRAP the races in the Milky Way so they can be harvested. The ODSY drive renders the entire trilogy and ab billion years of Reaper cycles. Or maybe it just emphasizes how awesomely special humanity is for coming up with it... Humanity came up with it? The AI has members from all the various species, although it was in part a human financing the venture (Jien Garson). We don't yet know the species of the Benefactor. The in-game codex says absolutely nothing about who came up with the idea.
I find iit odd the people so readily accept that a few Prothean scientists living in total isolation amid a harvesting cycle could come up with a way to sabotage the keepers and develop Mass Relay technology to a point where they could build a mate to a mini-mass relay on the Citadel (Note: Regardless of who built the Relay Statue, the Protheans built the one on Ilos and tied it into that Statue) and use it to get there to do this sabotage...Yet not believe it possible for a well funded, cross-species initiative to work out a better way to handle emissions apart from the Alliance's efforts to obviously do the same with their Tantalus Drive Core.
People readily believe that a few friends of Jacob can have a brand new type of ship armor in "secret-dev" and Garrus knows about a new type of cannon and then even Tali knows about new shielding, Miranda about new mineral scanning, and Samara knows about ways to improve fuel consumption. Heck, even Donnelly and Daniels get in their with working out ways to prevent the core from roasting them in engineering.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2020 1:48:54 GMT
Except there was absolutely no indication that anything like the ODSY drive existed prior to MEA. The entire point of the relay network was to TRAP the races in the Milky Way so they can be harvested. The ODSY drive renders the entire trilogy and ab billion years of Reaper cycles. Or maybe it just emphasizes how awesomely special humanity is for coming up with it... Humanity came up with it? The AI has members from all the various species, although it was in part a human financing the venture (Jien Garson). We don't yet know the species of the Benefactor. The in-game codex says absolutely nothing about who came up with the idea.
I find iit odd the people so readily accept that a few Prothean scientists living in total isolation amid a harvesting cycle could come up with a way to sabotage the keepers and develop Mass Relay technology to a point where they could build a mate to a mini-mass relay on the Citadel and use it to get there to do this sabotage...yet not believe it possible for a cross-species initiative to work out a better way to handle emissions apart from the Alliance's efforts to obviously do the same with their Tantalus Drive Core.
It is presumed that given the Andromeda Initiative was founded and funded by humans, they were the driving force behind the ODSY drive. Since without that, the entire project was a colossal waste of time. Clearly Jien Garson had an idea as to how to get to Andromeda from the start. And comparing the Tantalus to the ODSY is like comparing a paper boat to a cruise ship. Yeah the Tantalus drive can run longer than most other drive cores, but the ODSY is the next best thing to a perpetual motion machine. It renders the ENTIRE Reaper trap completely irrelevant. And in a billion years or more of harvests, however many thousands, perhaps millions of sapient species that have arisen in all those eons, it's only NOW that such a drive is developed? Oh, and those Prothean scientists didn't develop the mini-relay in isolation, the Protheans had already managed to reverse-engineer the relays and were in the process of building their first prototype when the invasion came. in other words, the relay was already there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 2:09:47 GMT
Humanity came up with it? The AI has members from all the various species, although it was in part a human financing the venture (Jien Garson). We don't yet know the species of the Benefactor. The in-game codex says absolutely nothing about who came up with the idea.
I find iit odd the people so readily accept that a few Prothean scientists living in total isolation amid a harvesting cycle could come up with a way to sabotage the keepers and develop Mass Relay technology to a point where they could build a mate to a mini-mass relay on the Citadel and use it to get there to do this sabotage...yet not believe it possible for a cross-species initiative to work out a better way to handle emissions apart from the Alliance's efforts to obviously do the same with their Tantalus Drive Core.
It is presumed that given the Andromeda Initiative was founded and funded by humans, they were the driving force behind the ODSY drive. Since without that, the entire project was a colossal waste of time. Clearly Jien Garson had an idea as to how to get to Andromeda from the start. And comparing the Tantalus to the ODSY is like comparing a paper boat to a cruise ship. Yeah the Tantalus drive can run longer than most other drive cores, but the ODSY is the next best thing to a perpetual motion machine. It renders the ENTIRE Reaper trap completely irrelevant. And in a billion years or more of harvests, however many thousands, perhaps millions of sapient species that have arisen in all those eons, it's only NOW that such a drive is developed? Oh, and those Prothean scientists didn't develop the mini-relay in isolation, the Protheans had already managed to reverse-engineer the relays and were in the process of building their first prototype when the invasion came. in other words, the relay was already there. Yep - IT IS PRESUMED... which means it could be absolutely way off base. It was the Geth who developed the scanning technology that enabled the AI to target Heleus and gave Jien Garson the idea to go there.
There is nothing in ME1 that says that the relay on Ilos was already there. Again, it's your PRESUMPTION.
It's your presumption again that the ODSY drive is hugely more complicated that the Tantalus drive core. That depends on what the solution to the problem was... sometimes those big tech solutions are exceedingly simple and inspiration for such ideas can come from the simplest of things. You'll just never know... unless Bioware tells us.
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