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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2020 17:47:37 GMT
Huge sales for TLOUII incidentally. "The Last of Us Part 2 sells 4M, becomes fastest-selling Sony game ahead of Spider-Man. Sony's post-apocalyptic survival game beat out other hit PlayStation-made games such as God of War, Marvel's Spider-Man and Uncharted 4: A Thief's End." [ source] As the games industry loves to follow the money, I trust this will mean more great looking, bug-free (and MTX free) games with strong and challenging storylines. The less games/movies/shows/books/etc with this kind of storytelling, the better.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 26, 2020 17:57:31 GMT
The less games/movies/shows/books/etc with this kind of storytelling, the better. I thought it was bold and imaginative, but your mileage may vary. Either way, it's clearly hugely popular and a critical and commercial success so it's doing something right. It's ok if you don't like the idea of the game of course.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 26, 2020 18:45:42 GMT
Either way, it's clearly hugely popular and a critical and commercial success so it's doing something right. Need I remind you about a movie called The Last Jedi?
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 26, 2020 19:09:46 GMT
Need I remind you about a movie called The Last Jedi? I enjoyed that film (as well as the series in general). And...?
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Post by smilesja on Jun 26, 2020 19:15:29 GMT
Huge sales for TLOUII incidentally. "The Last of Us Part 2 sells 4M, becomes fastest-selling Sony game ahead of Spider-Man. Sony's post-apocalyptic survival game beat out other hit PlayStation-made games such as God of War, Marvel's Spider-Man and Uncharted 4: A Thief's End." [ source] As the games industry loves to follow the money, I trust this will mean more great looking, bug-free (and MTX free) games with strong and challenging storylines. Good for them as controversial as it is.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 26, 2020 19:26:38 GMT
Need I remind you about a movie called The Last Jedi? I enjoyed that film (as well as the series in general). And...? Despite it's glowing reviews from critics that contrasts it's general consumer reviews, and setting a franchise sales record for it's time too TLJ infamously set another record. It experienced the biggest second week drop off in ticket sales for a Hollywood film despite the backing from China's consumer market.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Jun 26, 2020 19:32:22 GMT
Either way, it's clearly hugely popular and a critical and commercial success so it's doing something right. Need I remind you about a movie called The Last Jedi? AKA the greatest Star Wars movie ever made.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 26, 2020 19:45:53 GMT
Need I remind you about a movie called The Last Jedi? I enjoyed that film (as well as the series in general). And...? TLJ was, at the time of release, hailed as a commercial and critical success, praised by critics for taking Star Wars in bold new directions. However, the public reception was certainly a lot more mixed. At the end of its run, TLJ's total box office earnings worldwide stood at $1.3B, almost a 40% drop compared to TFA. Solo, released a few months later, earned $400M at the box office, likely less than its original budget plus the reshoots plus the marketing. TRoS, a half-hearted attempt at a course-correct, earned around $1.1B. Toy sales are dead in the water. Rian Johnson's promised trilogy is MIA. There are even rumors of a possible strategy to rebrand the Disney Saga under the Legends canon. In short, short-term profit and praise may potentially turn into negative long-term impact. I can't say for sure this will be the case with Naughty Dog and TLoU II but I don't recall this level of conflict when the first one was released. In fact, the 4M units sold is probably a testament to how people felt about the first one. Time will tell if TLoU II will also reach that 17M copies milestone.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 26, 2020 19:47:22 GMT
I enjoyed that film (as well as the series in general). And...? Despite it's glowing reviews from critics that contrasts it's general consumer reviews, and setting a franchise sales record for it's time too TLJ infamously set another record. It experienced the biggest second week drop off in ticket sales for a Hollywood film despite the backing from China's consumer market. I think China dropped the movie altogether from theatres after two weeks.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 26, 2020 19:59:33 GMT
Despite it's glowing reviews from critics that contrasts it's general consumer reviews, and setting a franchise sales record for it's time too TLJ infamously set another record. It experienced the biggest second week drop off in ticket sales for a Hollywood film despite the backing from China's consumer market. I think China dropped the movie altogether from theatres after two weeks. That's even worse than i remembered. Also iirc TLJ was initially projected to make two billion at the box office but then things happened.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2020 20:09:15 GMT
The less games/movies/shows/books/etc with this kind of storytelling, the better. I thought it was bold and imaginative, but your mileage may vary. Either way, it's clearly hugely popular and a critical and commercial success so it's doing something right. It's ok if you don't like the idea of the game of course. Critical success? Hardly. It’s controversial at best, especially with such sites rigging the numbers by blocking negative reviews. Commercial success? Maybe. Others mentioned things like TLJ, but I’d also add that just because something makes money doesn’t mean it’s good. McDonalds is the most commercially successful food maker on the planet, but nobody would claim they make the best food. Or things like 50 Shades of Grey, which is one of the best selling books of all time yet the vast majority see it as awful.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 26, 2020 20:27:04 GMT
I thought it was bold and imaginative, but your mileage may vary. Either way, it's clearly hugely popular and a critical and commercial success so it's doing something right. It's ok if you don't like the idea of the game of course. Critical success? Hardly. It’s controversial at best, especially with such sites rigging the numbers by blocking negative reviews. Commercial success? Maybe. Others mentioned things like TLJ, but I’d also add that just because something makes money doesn’t mean it’s good. McDonalds is the most commercially successful food maker on the planet, but nobody would claim they make the best food. Or things like 50 Shades of Grey, which is one of the best selling books of all time yet the vast majority see it as awful. Yeah i'll be curious to see its legacy. TLJ got the same sort of brazen uniform critic 10/10 reviews at launch to get people into cinemas but once that 5 minutes was up those shilling for it seemed to recede into the long grass and the wide panning of the film became allowable and not some sexist dig. Whatever you think of the original the last of us it it had a hugely positive legacy that had people continuing to talk about it and the franchise which has helped this new divisive game get its very big launch.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 26, 2020 20:33:56 GMT
Just because people give it 10/10 doesn't necessarily mean they're shilling.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 26, 2020 20:40:14 GMT
This is going to be very off topic so please bear with me. My ex was reading this book about this brothel of sex workers, and the one significant thing that i remembered was the bordello's resident bouncer and barber who was aptly named Razor because he shaves the women's pubes. If anyone knows the book's name let me know, and don't be embarrassed because i won't judge you... too much.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 26, 2020 20:40:22 GMT
Need I remind you about a movie called The Last Jedi? I enjoyed that film (as well as the series in general). And...? We'll have to see how much it'll sell in the future, If anything the controversy might help it sell more copies but who knows. Your experience matters Sofa, don't let others try to convince you otherwise.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 26, 2020 22:14:29 GMT
Critical success? Hardly. It’s controversial at best, especially with such sites rigging the numbers by blocking negative reviews. Commercial success? Maybe Critical success. Fact. 95% review ratings. Commercial success. Fact. Huge sales outperforming Spider-Man, God of War, etc. By all means you may not like the game personally, but it's a big hit. Your experience matters Sofa My experience matters no more or less than anyone else's, though I think credibility is added (positive or negative) if a commentator has actually played the game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2020 22:27:22 GMT
Critical success? Hardly. It’s controversial at best, especially with such sites rigging the numbers by blocking negative reviews. Commercial success? Maybe Critical success. Fact. 95% review ratings. Commercial success. Fact. Huge sales outperforming Spider-Man, God of War, etc. By all means you may not like the game personally, but it's a big hit. Critical success: Controversial. 94% critic score, 46% user score (and this is after blocking anything lower than a 4). Overall score if treating both as equal: 70%. A C- is barely passing in school. Commercial success: Didn't dispute it was, just that it isn't a sign of quality.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2020 22:28:58 GMT
Critical success? Hardly. It’s controversial at best, especially with such sites rigging the numbers by blocking negative reviews. Commercial success? Maybe. Others mentioned things like TLJ, but I’d also add that just because something makes money doesn’t mean it’s good. McDonalds is the most commercially successful food maker on the planet, but nobody would claim they make the best food. Or things like 50 Shades of Grey, which is one of the best selling books of all time yet the vast majority see it as awful. Yeah i'll be curious to see its legacy. TLJ got the same sort of brazen uniform critic 10/10 reviews at launch to get people into cinemas but once that 5 minutes was up those shilling for it seemed to recede into the long grass and the wide panning of the film became allowable and not some sexist dig. Whatever you think of the original the last of us it it had a hugely positive legacy that had people continuing to talk about it and the franchise which has helped this new divisive game get its very big launch. To be honest, I don't see this game being talked about beyond the controversy within a couple years. With so many other huge games coming out later this year for the current and new consoles, this game will most likely be buried.
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Post by scalt on Jun 26, 2020 22:30:54 GMT
Commercial success is fact but nothing special. For a sony home studio with a huge budget and crazy marketing, for a platform which sold 110 mil + consoles, 4 mil by my opinion are just ok. Weren't the sales of the anthem around the 4 mil mark also? What i call real success is GTA V.
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Post by mugwump on Jun 26, 2020 22:42:47 GMT
I'm certainly not playing the thing but Sofa's absolutely right; TLOU2 was well received by critics and has sold like gangbusters. That said, it'll be interesting to see whether the games wider reception will damage the IP down the line. I suspect it will.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 27, 2020 3:14:50 GMT
Yeah i'll be curious to see its legacy. TLJ got the same sort of brazen uniform critic 10/10 reviews at launch to get people into cinemas but once that 5 minutes was up those shilling for it seemed to recede into the long grass and the wide panning of the film became allowable and not some sexist dig. Whatever you think of the original the last of us it it had a hugely positive legacy that had people continuing to talk about it and the franchise which has helped this new divisive game get its very big launch. To be honest, I don't see this game being talked about beyond the controversy within a couple years. With so many other huge games coming out later this year for the current and new consoles, this game will most likely be buried. More likely, in my opinion, is that many reviewers who are presently jumping on the hate train for the clicks will reassess in the future. We'll get those useless, "Were We Too Hard on TLoUII?" and "Retrospective: TLoUII Is Actually a Very Good Game" type of articles. Those always follow these ridiculous, dog pile situations. It's only a matter of time. Edit: Oops. Can't differentiate the spoiler/non-spoiler threads.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 27, 2020 6:09:09 GMT
To be honest, I don't see this game being talked about beyond the controversy within a couple years. With so many other huge games coming out later this year for the current and new consoles, this game will most likely be buried. More likely, in my opinion, is that many reviewers who are presently jumping on the hate train for the clicks will reassess in the future. We'll get those useless, "Were We Too Hard on TLoUII?" and "Retrospective: TLoUII Is Actually a Very Good Game" type of articles. Those always follow these ridiculous, dog pile situations. It's only a matter of time. Edit: Oops. Can't differentiate the spoiler/non-spoiler threads. I mean it somewhat happened with Andromeda with people on Reddit giving it a try and liking it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 27, 2020 6:13:29 GMT
it'll be interesting to see whether the games wider reception will damage the IP down the line. I suspect it will. I'm not convinced the game has an overall negative reception (yes there are some noisy idiots like the 'remake the game' petitioneers). There are certainly honest and genuine user reviewers who didn't like the game (as this thread testifies), but there is a good deal of bombing from bigoted assholes as well, making it hard to know what the actual user response is. What is certain is that a huge number of people are playing and a huge number of people are talking about it. Posterity will determine its reputation which will become clear over time.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 27, 2020 6:35:38 GMT
I'm certainly not playing the thing but Sofa's absolutely right; TLOU2 was well received by critics and has sold like gangbusters. That said, it'll be interesting to see whether the games wider reception will damage the IP down the line. I suspect it will.
I think what will keep it going is that it's a very mechanically sound game with an embarrassment of riches in terms of play options. For all that auteur bullshit about violence bad despite making violence fun, it will be a good horror combat game. If nothing else, you can just let Ellie kill you when you play Abby and just headcanon that it's the real ending.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2020 11:44:06 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, Last of Us 1 wasn't that great, and Last of Us 2 isn't that bad. They're both just fine, servicable games. Nothing amazing. Critics comparing the game to "Schindler's List" are just as insane as the people frothing at the mouth because they don't like what happened to a character.
Comparing it to The Last Jedi is ironic because the overblown hostility to that film was for similar reasons: fans who had emotionally invested too much into the franchise felt "betrayed" by choices made, especially in regard to particular characters. You would think that they would have learned to temper their emotions and expectations by now, given that, when you take into account the prequels and the expanded universe, Star Wars has produced more crap overall than it has quality products. Holding up TLJ as the worst entry in the franchise is plainly ridiculous.
Say what you like about game critics, but circulating ridiculous petitions demanding that the entire product be remade according to your own specifications, or engaging in harassment of critics and developers is not the behaviour of a rational individual and such people are not "the voice of the public" anymore than critics are.
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