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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 28, 2020 18:28:18 GMT
I mean yeah Neil is a pretty terrible for hiding behind his politics while being abusive but a lot of creators do have agendas and messages they want to get across. Whether they succeed is up to the viewer, I mean I don’t find two girls dancing to be an SJW moment or we don’t really know if Joel is a wifebeater. (Any leaks referring to that?) but yeah I’m with you Neil being an awful person though I don’t understand why him being friends with Anita makes him unlikable compared to the abuses he’s done. I never heard of the man until today. I never played the Uncharted series (didn't have a PS3) and only watched cutscenes of TLOU and liked the story OK. So I'm not in the loop about what's going on at Naughty Dog. I spent an hour googling Druckmann and found a lot of negative opinions and rumors about him. So my opinion of him is a couple of hours old, lol. That wifebeater thing may not be the most credible assumption based on Baker's interview from this site:
Wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be something along those lines, though. I just find it funny how Baker makes it sound as if Joel was a great guy before and only now we'll learn he's not. Sure, he started out as this likeable hot guy but I always assumed the "brilliance" of the ending was that the protagonist ends up being the bad guy?!? So I gotta wonder what bad shit they've come up with to make people REALLY dislike him, you know. As if THAT ending wasn't enough...
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 28, 2020 18:40:13 GMT
I mean yeah Neil is a pretty terrible for hiding behind his politics while being abusive but a lot of creators do have agendas and messages they want to get across. Whether they succeed is up to the viewer, I mean I don’t find two girls dancing to be an SJW moment or we don’t really know if Joel is a wifebeater. (Any leaks referring to that?) but yeah I’m with you Neil being an awful person though I don’t understand why him being friends with Anita makes him unlikable compared to the abuses he’s done. I never heard of the man until today. I never played the Uncharted series (didn't have a PS3) and only watched cutscenes of TLOU and liked the story OK. So I'm not in the loop about what's going on at Naughty Dog. I spent an hour googling Druckmann and found a lot of negative opinions and rumors about him. So my opinion of him is a couple of hours old, lol. That wifebeater thing may not be the most credible assumption based on Baker's interview from this site:
Wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be something along those lines, though. I just find it funny how Baker makes it sound as if Joel was a great guy before and only now we'll learn he's not. Sure, he started out as this likeable hot guy but I always assumed the "brilliance" of the ending was that the protagonist ends up being the bad guy?!? So I gotta wonder what bad shit they've come up with to make people REALLY dislike him, you know. As if THAT ending wasn't enough... It's like naughty Dog can't stand the fact that people still have the gall to like Joel! "We showed you he's awful! STOP LIKING HIM DAMMIT!...okay we gotta double down, we have to make him so sickeningly evil that no one will ever defend him again. We gotta prove how everyone is just a brutal, sick animal at their core!"
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Post by General Mahad on Apr 28, 2020 19:06:00 GMT
From a 2016 interview: Uncharted Dev Says Character Diversity Just as Important as Graphics and Gameplay www.gamespot.com/articles/uncharted-dev-says-character-diversity-just-as-imp/1100-6441800/What a surprise. Anyway, now that I think about it, aren't the new cult faction kind of....stupid in this setting? Look at the the enemy factions from the previous game: The Military: Junta trying to maintain order on dwindling resources and personnel while fighting an insurgency, Orwellian but not evil The Hunters: Robbers and looters killing for resources, territory, and/or even revenge. They are not knife lickers but they are ruthless. The Cannibals: Ordinary people killing and eating other ordinary people to survive, no skulls on pikes. The Fireflies: Militia trying to restore the US Government, end the military junta, and give hope of a vaccine while being pushed out by the military, will do what is necessary to achieve that goal. The point is they are not overly dramatic caricatures and are relatively normal people all trying to survive against other relatively normal people. This cult is so completely silly from how their disemboweling to their outfits to their speech.
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 28, 2020 19:28:07 GMT
If the leak had depicted an awesome story, people wouldn't even hesitate to buy it on launch day to experience it themselves. As for the devs getting the short end of the stick because of the leak, were they expecting bonuses from sales?
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 28, 2020 20:18:36 GMT
From a 2016 interview: Uncharted Dev Says Character Diversity Just as Important as Graphics and Gameplay www.gamespot.com/articles/uncharted-dev-says-character-diversity-just-as-imp/1100-6441800/What a surprise. Anyway, now that I think about it, aren't the new cult faction kind of....stupid in this setting? Look at the the enemy factions from the previous game: The Military: Junta trying to maintain order on dwindling resources and personnel while fighting an insurgency, Orwellian but not evil The Hunters: Robbers and looters killing for resources, territory, and/or even revenge. They are not knife lickers but they are ruthless. The Cannibals: Ordinary people killing and eating other ordinary people to survive, no skulls on pikes. The Fireflies: Militia trying to restore the US Government, end the military junta, and give hope of a vaccine while being pushed out by the military, will do what is necessary to achieve that goal. The point is they are not overly dramatic caricatures and are relatively normal people all trying to survive against other relatively normal people. This cult is so completely silly from how their disemboweling to their outfits to their speech. Yeah the whole cult thing seems pretty stupid and lazy in comparison. I guess if Naughty Dog are really deadset on turning the world into a crapsack, moreso than it already is as being post-apocalyptic, then having a Mad Max style cult of crazies would make a slight degree of sense. Of course that would require ignoring how the first game easily shows how you can still have an appreciable level of grim without resorting to cartoonish caricatures such as the aforementioned cult. As for the whole interview quoted above: I can't recall the last game that had a straight, white, christian, male as a protagonist. More often those qualities are ignored, or vilified, in these more progressive stories. At this point I wonder if it wouldn't be considered more "original" if that stereotype was played on its face rather than doing what every other progressive does and try to subvert it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 28, 2020 20:27:31 GMT
Trying hard not to read about any spoilers, it's nice to have a new release date.
Looking forward this this game.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 29, 2020 6:20:16 GMT
*sigh* I wish David was here to give us an uplifting speech about heroism, and why stories fail without it.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 29, 2020 7:01:04 GMT
It's like naughty Dog can't stand the fact that people still have the gall to like Joel! "We showed you he's awful! STOP LIKING HIM DAMMIT!...okay we gotta double down, we have to make him so sickeningly evil that no one will ever defend him again. We gotta prove how everyone is just a brutal, sick animal at their core!" Hahaha, yup. I really think this is what's going on with this game, lol. So, they wrote a story about a touching surrogate parent/daughter relationship that everyone got invested in. And now they're unhappy people want more of it and are therefore willing to overlook Joel's actions at the end. So unexpected!*g*
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 29, 2020 8:28:48 GMT
Also I can't help but notice really bad optics here... Mr Druckman has come out publicly and said he is "heartbroken" over this incident...well you know what I'm heartbroken about Neil? I'm heartbroken for all the employees you treat like disposable garbage. Also one other thing... So their main villain of the game, who you are forced to play as for half of it, is obsessed with killing a Lesbian couple. How does this help this minority group?
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 29, 2020 22:45:31 GMT
I mean yeah Neil is a pretty terrible for hiding behind his politics while being abusive but a lot of creators do have agendas and messages they want to get across. Whether they succeed is up to the viewer, I mean I don’t find two girls dancing to be an SJW moment or we don’t really know if Joel is a wifebeater. (Any leaks referring to that?) but yeah I’m with you Neil being an awful person though I don’t understand why him being friends with Anita makes him unlikable compared to the abuses he’s done. I never heard of the man until today. I never played the Uncharted series (didn't have a PS3) and only watched cutscenes of TLOU and liked the story OK. So I'm not in the loop about what's going on at Naughty Dog. I spent an hour googling Druckmann and found a lot of negative opinions and rumors about him. So my opinion of him is a couple of hours old, lol. That wifebeater thing may not be the most credible assumption based on Baker's interview from this site:
Wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be something along those lines, though. I just find it funny how Baker makes it sound as if Joel was a great guy before and only now we'll learn he's not. Sure, he started out as this likeable hot guy but I always assumed the "brilliance" of the ending was that the protagonist ends up being the bad guy?!? So I gotta wonder what bad shit they've come up with to make people REALLY dislike him, you know. As if THAT ending wasn't enough... What in the fuck are they even thinking?! And here I was hoping for a great story that is better than the first game. See, developers? This is why you don't allow SJWs to write your stories for games.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 29, 2020 22:53:27 GMT
Can we just say it’s bad writing? Why does it have to be “SJW” bad writing is bad writing. Do you realize that the LGBTQ fan base is angry as well? I mean seriously, you saw two women dancing and you just declared SJW? Are you serious? Come on that’s not SJW. No. Because Druckmann is friends with Anita Sarkeesian, he's OPEN about putting his personal political views in his work! The man has an agenda. He admits it even. He wants to earn brownie points with certain people. Not necessarily with LGBT people, mind you. Most of these white knights are NOT part of one of the groups they're defending. That's the funny part. I'm friends with a black girl from the States and we are BOTH so annoyed with all the identity politics in 90% of all new movies and shows, including the focus on blacks as if they're the only ethnic minority that matters these days. So I know how often the people that get represented aren't happy with how it's done AT ALL. That is why SJW is so annoying. It's all about coming off as open minded and morally superior when it's not. It's so forced and fake and nobody wants this shit to ruin so many narratives.
I get a creeper phony feminist supporter vibe from Druckmann. You know, the kind of men who pretend to be VERY understanding of the female struggle to get into their pants. That's wholly my own view, so I might be wrong and he's just a moron who believes this crap is actually good writing...
I'm not even just talking about LGBT focus. A while ago, Troy Baker apparently hinted at Joel getting a background of being a wife beater maybe?? Good grief! So ONCE AGAIN, we're getting toxic masculinity shoved down our throats! OF COURSE. Maybe Druckmann realized that not enough players thought Joel was a selfish asshole by the end and REALLY needed to make that clear in TLOU2... So, basically, all the violence that ensues is the fault of the toxic white male!!! He lied to Ellie, manipulated her, took the choice away what to do with her own body/life. He killed that doctor and sent Abby on the road of revenge. It's all Joel's fault, you see! He's EVIL.
That's the narrative I'm getting off the whole thing anyway.
I REALLY hope that they rewrite the entire story. Because it's asking for a backlash.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 29, 2020 23:41:53 GMT
I just hate Neil Druckmann for doing Amy Hennig dirty and creating a toxic work environment that has a turnover rate of 70% while at the same time patting himself on being such a great champion of women's causes. He's an arrogant dick who caught lightning in a bottle and now thinks he's a moral paragon. Kind of reminds me of a lot of developers. Also shout outs to Jason Schreier for being a hypocritical asshat: This is really fucked up. I was having high hopes for the company and the game. They really need to start treating their employees better.
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Post by clips7 on Apr 30, 2020 1:28:57 GMT
*Edit*..ok i found the leak...and man...what in the world was these writers thinking?.... ..how do they expect fans to turn on such popular characters?.....man...ALL I have been saying forever....is for developers...to JUST TELL A GOOD story with great characters and everything else will fall into place....just unreal with the direction Naughty Dog is going in....
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 30, 2020 1:41:26 GMT
To be fair to Joel, Marlene and her people seemed to be pretty bad at science, though I suppose that wasn't the author's intention. Anyway, there is a real possibility that Ellie would've died for nothing.
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 30, 2020 2:54:38 GMT
*sigh* I wish David was here to give us an uplifting speech about heroism, and why stories fail without it. Not sure if Poe's Law. How's that for a David reference! Well on the plus after reading the leaks I've been reliving the Robert Redford head nod meme. LOL. I think Neil maybe should've watched Jeremiah Johnson.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 30, 2020 6:47:47 GMT
Ok, I'll try to be optimistic as best as I can. Despite the major spoilers of the story that causes immense backlash, we don't know all the facts of the story or how it was designed. It may be a possibility that it could be a choice based system to experience outcomes good or bad, depending on the actions of the main characters. I'm just really distraught about the whole thing, and I really want to give this game a chance. Because I've been waiting 7 years for this.
All I can do is to wait for the game to release and watch reviews for myself. That way, I could decide whether I want to get the game or not.
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 30, 2020 8:16:09 GMT
Ok, I'll try to be optimistic as best as I can. Despite the major spoilers of the story that causes immense backlash, we don't know all the facts of the story or how it was designed. That's a good point, but given the circumstances, I'd encourage people to wait for reviews.
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 30, 2020 8:23:23 GMT
I wonder what HBO's thinking right now. First D&D botched Season 8, now this. I'd pay to listen in on some of their internal discussions right now.
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Post by General Mahad on Apr 30, 2020 17:12:32 GMT
Massive Game Spoilers:
And we are suppose to be sympathetic to Abby for killing the poster child for post-apocalyptic loveable dads?
Also She-Hulk beats and almost kills a pregnant Daina in that brutal fight with Ellie, WTF?
Also here's a new Leak: Look how STRONG this opening is! Look at Joel's DAD energy, he's even making terrible DAD jokes. Can't believe it all goes downhill from here!
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Post by smilesja on Apr 30, 2020 17:42:01 GMT
Is Abby transexual? People on twitter kept saying that she was but considering how people are oversensitive to anything SJW, I have my doubts. Also did Ellie truly die?
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Post by General Mahad on Apr 30, 2020 17:50:11 GMT
Is Abby transexual? People on twitter kept saying that she was but considering how people are oversensitive to anything SJW, I have my doubts. Also did Ellie truly die? Unknown, but apparently Lev is played by a transgender actor. As far as rumors go, Ellie and Daina survived but Ellie is going to go on the rampage as well as being the villain in the next game while we take control of Abby.
It's so asinine, it's like The Last Jedi where the old beloved characters get killed off to make room for the "Who...?" squad. In this case, it's going to be the most hated protagonist ever. Massive spoiler: Here's more of Abby's flashback:
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 30, 2020 17:52:08 GMT
Is Abby transexual? People on twitter kept saying that she was but considering how people are oversensitive to anything SJW, I have my doubts. Also did Ellie truly die? At first I thought she was, but then I recalled she was in the second trailer and is clearly a woman.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 30, 2020 18:43:28 GMT
Ok, I'll try to be optimistic as best as I can. Despite the major spoilers of the story that causes immense backlash, we don't know all the facts of the story or how it was designed. That's a good point, but given the circumstances, I'd encourage people to wait for reviews. That's all we can do is to wait and see, whether the game is worth buying or not.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 30, 2020 18:45:15 GMT
*Edit*..ok i found the leak...and man...what in the world was these writers thinking?.... ..how do they expect fans to turn on such popular characters?.....man...ALL I have been saying forever....is for developers...to JUST TELL A GOOD story with great characters and everything else will fall into place....just unreal with the direction Naughty Dog is going in.... We'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by Hier0phant on May 1, 2020 0:06:36 GMT
Is Abby transexual? People on twitter kept saying that she was but considering how people are oversensitive to anything SJW, I have my doubts. Also did Ellie truly die? Nah it's probably this instead. Two scoops? clomiphene, aromatase inhibitors and DMSO too.
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