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Post by therevanchist25 on May 3, 2020 18:18:35 GMT
Amy Henning, an actual woman: Hey Neil, I got this dope idea for Uncharted 4.
Neil, a man, who thinks he champions women: Does it involve women beating the shit out of Nathan for no reason?
Amy: Um...no? why would I do that? Anyway I was totally thinking that we can ha-
Neil: no no no, whatever your idea is, fuck that shit. I know what women want to see, your gonna have a woman beat Drakes ass for no reason, because girl power Amy!
Amy: Um Neil...no offense bruh but this is my franchise, go deal with your zombie mushroom game.
Neil: We'll see about that...
Clearly, Neil knows how to represent women better than an actual woman. Amy was probably just brainwashed by the patriarchy. She doesn't realize she's keeping herself down.
I swear, I am half convinced that all these public male figures who "champion" women's issues are secretly creeps trying way too hard to prove their not.
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Post by smilesja on May 3, 2020 19:07:35 GMT
Sony and shills are now saying it’s a hacker or someone completely uninvolved with development. Let’s say that’s the case, then how come the leaks have the person responsible using dev tools? Did the hacker also leak the development software? Do they have proof?
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Post by smilesja on May 3, 2020 19:10:30 GMT
Saw this video among all the hubub surrounding LoU2. So NO mention of how the developers were mistreated and were subject to numerous crunches to the point where a dev got fed up with being underpaid and leaked the plot. Just ten minutes of SJW nonsense which Anita most likely very little say in the story. Youtubers are so useless sometimes always going for the most asinine of scapegoats instead of caring for the people who make the game. Utterly useless.
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Post by Vortex13 on May 3, 2020 20:19:13 GMT
Saw this video among all the hubub surrounding LoU2. So NO mention of how the developers were mistreated and were subject to numerous crunches to the point where a dev got fed up with being underpaid and leaked the plot. Just ten minutes of SJW nonsense which Anita most likely very little say in the story. Youtubers are so useless sometimes always going for the most asinine of scapegoats instead of caring for the people who make the game. Utterly useless. It mentions the mistreatment of the employees clearly. About two thirds of the way in he mentions the working conditions and Disobedient Canine's treatment of them
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 3, 2020 20:31:31 GMT
So NO mention of how the developers were mistreated and were subject to numerous crunches to the point where a dev got fed up with being underpaid and leaked the plot. Just ten minutes of SJW nonsense which Anita most likely very little say in the story. Youtubers are so useless sometimes always going for the most asinine of scapegoats instead of caring for the people who make the game. Utterly useless. It mentions the mistreatment of the employees clearly. About two thirds of the way in he mentions the working conditions and Disobedient Canine's treatment of them Okay, really? You change their company name into synonyms and you don't go with Bad Boy?
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Post by OdanUrr on May 3, 2020 20:59:38 GMT
Saw this video among all the hubub surrounding LoU2. Yup, typical Drinker.
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Post by Aliaspig on May 3, 2020 21:39:41 GMT
This thread is an actual dumpster fire. 3 pages of whining about women’s bodies and then screeching about Anita Sarkeesian. And of course the typical raging about sjws. Thanks for reminding me how much this site is full of reactionary snowflakes. I had almost forgotten.
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Post by therevanchist25 on May 3, 2020 22:27:44 GMT
Saw this video among all the hubub surrounding LoU2. So NO mention of how the developers were mistreated and were subject to numerous crunches to the point where a dev got fed up with being underpaid and leaked the plot. Just ten minutes of SJW nonsense which Anita most likely very little say in the story. Youtubers are so useless sometimes always going for the most asinine of scapegoats instead of caring for the people who make the game. Utterly useless. It mentions how the devs were crunched multiple times. It's also fairly public knowledge that Neil regularly got Anita's advice, who has publicly admitted she does not really care about video games that much. There is no scape goating, both of those things are true.
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Post by therevanchist25 on May 3, 2020 22:29:47 GMT
Sony and shills are now saying it’s a hacker or someone completely uninvolved with development. Let’s say that’s the case, then how come the leaks have the person responsible using dev tools? Did the hacker also leak the development software? Do they have proof? They say they do, but will not share it. Which, imo means they have nothing, and obviously won't admit that an employee that was treated like shit was the cause. However it is unlikely it could be anyone else considering the games entire cutscene catalog was leaked.
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Post by General Mahad on May 3, 2020 22:42:38 GMT
Sony and shills are now saying it’s a hacker or someone completely uninvolved with development. Let’s say that’s the case, then how come the leaks have the person responsible using dev tools? Did the hacker also leak the development software? Do they have proof? '''''''Sources'''''''
Anyway, more discussion about you-know-who: So apparently, Abby is a better archery than Ellie according to the the leaked footage.
She can line up sights instantly, nock the arrow better, draw the bow faster, and do it while sprinting all the while getting huge encouragement from her boy-toy.
Ellie meanwhile has grown more proficient with the bow but isn't going Rambo with it.
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 3, 2020 23:01:15 GMT
Saw this video among all the hubub surrounding LoU2. So NO mention of how the developers were mistreated and were subject to numerous crunches to the point where a dev got fed up with being underpaid and leaked the plot. Just ten minutes of SJW nonsense which Anita most likely very little say in the story. Youtubers are so useless sometimes always going for the most asinine of scapegoats instead of caring for the people who make the game. Utterly useless. Let's be honest. Every profession can have overtime and there aren't dozens of reports on it. If people think only game devs suffer from this, they live in a very pampered world. Jason Schreier made it front and center for game devs. I'm not dismissing abuse here, but all the concern for game devs smacks of virtue signaling.
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Post by therevanchist25 on May 4, 2020 1:14:41 GMT
So NO mention of how the developers were mistreated and were subject to numerous crunches to the point where a dev got fed up with being underpaid and leaked the plot. Just ten minutes of SJW nonsense which Anita most likely very little say in the story. Youtubers are so useless sometimes always going for the most asinine of scapegoats instead of caring for the people who make the game. Utterly useless. Let's be honest. Every profession can have overtime and there aren't dozens of reports on it. If people think only game devs suffer from this, they live in a very pampered world. Jason Schreier made it front and center for game devs. I'm not dismissing abuse here, but all the concern for game devs smacks of virtue signaling. There is a fine line between Overtime and Overworked. I work at a job that often requires I work 60 hours a week, every week for months. I am so insanely miserable during those times I seriously considered suicide. These developers often have to work WAY longer than that. Remember Rockstar's 100 hour weeks? I'm sorry but that's not just overtime anymore. Just because working people like dogs is a wide spread common practice does not mean it's not a problem. In fact, that just proves the problem is even bigger than most people realize. And don't even try that ridiculous argument of "oh boo hoo I work 80 hours a week all the time, and I walk to work in the snow, uphill both ways barefoot!"If you do that, that is your problem for keeping yourself in that shit situation.
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Post by river82 on May 4, 2020 2:04:00 GMT
Let's be honest. Every profession can have overtime and there aren't dozens of reports on it. If people think only game devs suffer from this, they live in a very pampered world. Jason Schreier made it front and center for game devs. I'm not dismissing abuse here, but all the concern for game devs smacks of virtue signaling. There is a fine line between Overtime and Overworked. I work at a job that often requires I work 60 hours a week, every week for months. I am so insanely miserable during those times I seriously considered suicide. These developers often have to work WAY longer than that. Remember Rockstar's 100 hour weeks? I'm sorry but that's not just overtime anymore. Just because working people like dogs is a wide spread common practice does not mean it's not a problem. In fact, that just proves the problem is even bigger than most people realize. And don't even try that ridiculous argument of "oh boo hoo I work 80 hours a week all the time, and I walk to work in the snow, uphill both ways barefoot!"If you do that, that is your problem for keeping yourself in that shit situation. I've been trying to tell people for years now that the biggest problem for devs usually isn't "gamers", "toxic gamers", or "entitled gamers". It's how AAA companies treat their employees. Naughty Dog burnt through a huge part of their workforce. I feel sorry for the devs but I don't care a whit about the studio.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 4, 2020 6:05:57 GMT
Saw this video among all the hubub surrounding LoU2. I sure enjoy Drinker’s take on things. His absolute shitting on all things Star Wars gives me morbid glee.
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Post by saandrig on May 4, 2020 6:51:41 GMT
So NO mention of how the developers were mistreated and were subject to numerous crunches to the point where a dev got fed up with being underpaid and leaked the plot. I thought it was some hackers that used an old vulnerability and got their hands on the cutscenes? At least that's what I read lately.
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Post by OdanUrr on May 4, 2020 7:46:23 GMT
So NO mention of how the developers were mistreated and were subject to numerous crunches to the point where a dev got fed up with being underpaid and leaked the plot. I thought it was some hackers that used an old vulnerability and got their hands on the cutscenes? At least that's what I read lately. That is what is being reported, yes, although they are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Curiously, nothing has been reported on Sony going after people talking about the leaks, or their reaction to them, without showing any footage. I guess opinions are now subject to copyright law.
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Post by wickedcool on May 4, 2020 18:37:59 GMT
Has there been any denial that the details leaked are untrue? I did not have a ps4 so I have no stake in this game
If it’s all true it’s a gigantic gamble and if it fails I wonder if the director keeps their job due to the sensitivity of the topic
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 4, 2020 18:43:20 GMT
Has there been any denial that the details leaked are untrue? I did not have a ps4 so I have no stake in this game If it’s all true it’s a gigantic gamble and if it fails I wonder if the director keeps their job due to the sensitivity of the topic The leak involved full videos of scenes in the game, so they never denied the content since there’s no point.
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Post by Sanunes on May 4, 2020 20:25:01 GMT
This leak has in many ways confirmed that I wasn't going to like the game after Neil Druckmann made a comment along the lines of that they didn't use the word "fun" to describe The Last of Us 2. The problem with that is many games really aren't a lighthearted endeavor, but having something weighing down on you for hours while you play the game isn't something I would want just like I wouldn't put heavy materials on in the background non-stop for hours.
Now with all the comments that Neil Druckmann has made post leak I am pretty damn sure that he completely missed the boat for something I would watch and left wondering if The Last of Us 2 is going to be the video game equivalent of the movie Mother. Something that probably would have been better as an indie developed project instead of putting millions of dollars behind something. I doubt there would be a big backlash against The Last of Us 2, but there could be a backlash with future sequels if people are off-put by the content they put forward.
Oh, according to an article I read today Neil Druckmann has stated that "nothing feels like playing this game" so my subtext read on that is "the leaks were completely accurate, but please still buy my game because you will like playing the game regardless of what you read."
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Post by OdanUrr on May 4, 2020 21:23:41 GMT
I doubt there would be a big backlash against The Last of Us 2, but there could be a backlash with future sequels if people are off-put by the content they put forward. I think this is the most likely scenario. The game will probably sell well enough despite the leaks, but it may cripple the franchise going forward. I can only hope Horizon Zero Dawn 2 won't suffer a similar fate.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 4, 2020 22:34:18 GMT
I don't enjoy watching unabashed misery porn (like Handmaid's Tale, still mad I paid money for it), I can't imagine PLAYING it.
Well, if Druckmann killed the franchise with this game, maybe it will make him question how amazing a visionary he is. Probably just going to blame gamers for not getting the brilliance of it...
Bad enough grinding people for a great game like Witcher 3. At least you can be proud of your work. But for THIS?! I would have the urge to run the man over with my car if I worked on this shit every waking hour for several years.
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Post by river82 on May 5, 2020 4:43:39 GMT
Probably just going to blame gamers for not getting the brilliance of it... "Toxic hacker gamers sabotaged it" "Man-child gamers too immature to grasp themes" "Gamers don't appreciate women's stories" "Angry youtube gamers ravaged it to earn a quick buck" "It could never succeed in such an environment" "Please it wasn't my fault" "I am a visionary" "Like Phil Fish"
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Post by General Mahad on May 5, 2020 5:41:08 GMT
I don't enjoy watching unabashed misery porn(like Handmaid's Tale, still mad I paid money for it), I can't imagine PLAYING it. Well, if Druckmann killed the franchise with this game, maybe it will make him question how amazing a visionary he is. Probably just going to blame gamers for not getting the brilliance of it... Bad enough grinding people for a great game like Witcher 3. At least you can be proud of your work. But for THIS?! I would have the urge to run the man over with my car if I worked on this shit every waking hour for several years. Speaking of: Druckmann admitted to have watched snuff films during development and you can bet the staff was forced too as well. kotaku.com/the-last-of-us-part-ii-s-violence-is-designed-to-be-rep-1826781044It explains why THOSE scenes in the leak are like murder porn. Compared that with part one’s gory scenes which are quick and/or with deliberate camera framing to block out most of the gore. This game on the other hand: “LOOK AT IT! DO YOU SEE HOW SICK YOU ARE?!!!”
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Post by OdanUrr on May 5, 2020 7:26:04 GMT
Very telling like/dislike ratio, but this is the internet after all. We'll see the truth in sales numbers. Comments are off, by the way.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 5, 2020 8:29:38 GMT
I generally have no issues with showing the consequences of violence and how it spirals. I loved Breaking Bad.
But I'm not sure this sort of approach works for a videogame. And certainly not for a franchise where people have an emotional investment in these characters.
I did an evil Shepard run once and HATED his guts and it was a real ordeal killing characters I loved. I wouldn't describe the experience as fun but at least it was my choice. And I appreciated I had THE CHOICE to make myself miserable playing a piece of shit version of my beloved Shepard just to have seen everything the game has to offer.
But it's not like being realistic about the consequences of violence itself has a groundbreaking message. I imagine Abby will realize at the end that revenge is hollow and doesn't make her feel better. DUH. It's the most banal sort of story there is imo. It's the kind of lesson a child may be surprised to learn. Or a very simple minded adult. I honestly can't imagine how this sort of narrative brings anything thought provoking to the table. I just don't see it.
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