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Post by scifiguy53425 on Mar 2, 2020 7:55:43 GMT
What would be the ideal sequence of events related to the Mass Effect franchise to occur in this new decade? What do you want to happen in regards to this property over the next 10 years? How soon do you want these things to happen? What position would you like the series to be in by 2030?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 2, 2020 13:43:29 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by events but I would be really happy to see another game with shepard and them make at least two more games with ryder by 2030. I think seeing ryder fight the kett would be a good storyline so in my opinion they should continue that. As much as I would like a new series of ME games with shepard I think it would be impossible to do more then one more game with him in it since the choices would be too numerous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 14:07:54 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by events but I would be really happy to see another game with shepard and them make at least two more games with ryder by 2030. I think seeing ryder fight the kett would be a good storyline so in my opinion they should continue that. As much as I would like a new series of ME games with shepard I think it would be impossible to do more then one more game with him in it since the choices would be too numerous. You're simply not going to get 3 new games by 2030. That's completely unrealistic given Bioware's recent average dev time of 6+ years per game. Therefore, I would like a completion to the Andromeda story before I die. After the Andromeda story is complete (which would probably reveal several connections to Shepard's OT story), then we could see a grand game in both galaxies that ties the whole thing together and bring the franchise to a final glorious and definitive conclusion by 2040 - Though, I'll almost certainly be long dead and many of you will probably be too old to care by then.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 2, 2020 17:21:53 GMT
I’d like for there to be two Mass Effect games in the next decade. Though more is always welcome.
The first game I want is one with Ryder to complete their story and further build Andromeda.
After that for the next game I want there to be the option to play as the alien races. Like how Dragon Age allows you to choose the race of the protagonist.
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Post by urkibalurki on Mar 2, 2020 18:25:36 GMT
Isn't this a duplicate of this thread? Or am I missing something? It seems you're asking the same thing.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 2, 2020 19:56:06 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by events but I would be really happy to see another game with shepard and them make at least two more games with ryder by 2030. I think seeing ryder fight the kett would be a good storyline so in my opinion they should continue that. As much as I would like a new series of ME games with shepard I think it would be impossible to do more then one more game with him in it since the choices would be too numerous. The likeliest scenario would be an entirely off-screen Shepard that exists now as an NPC, that way we don't get interrupted with a character creator for like we had with Hawke in Inquisition. One reason I see for this is to retain at least the binary state of dead or alive for Shepard in this setting that you could select in a basic world state selection, with flavor text and dialogue that varies for each choice. The primary players in this new setting won't likely have any personal connection to the character so there'd be no need for that much mention.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 2, 2020 20:11:03 GMT
Isn't this a duplicate of this thread? Or am I missing something? It seems you're asking the same thing. Not really, no. What we'd like and what we expect are not always the same thing. OT: What I'd like is for BioWare to be... BioWare again. In my mind, the ideal looks sort of like this: - They focus on what they do best, what many of us have always appreciated them for: story, lore, world-building, and character (in no particular order)
- They continue the party-based focus, providing well-developed followers with their own character arcs.
- While "live service" components or MP may be included, the goal is to provide complete, repeatable SP experiences.
- They use whatever engine best suits the game they want to deliver instead of being committed to a mandate to use Frostbite.
- They solve their management issues in a way that provides the creative folks clear, consistent, achievable goals and deadlines.
- I also think they have enough bandwidth to deliver games more often - they certainly have in the past - if they could solve their leadership and management issues. It'd be nice if their efforts in other arenas didn't impact IPs in progress, such as what Anthem (and perhaps MEA to some degree) did to the pre-prod work on DA4 underway at the time.
My preference is MEA2 with Ryder and crew. I don't know that I'd be interested in any other possibilities, but would take a look and decide based on whatever information is available. I'd prefer no further ties to TMW, as the potential there was fully exploited and subsequently wrecked by the trilogy.
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Post by scifiguy53425 on Mar 3, 2020 13:42:17 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by events but I would be really happy to see another game with shepard and them make at least two more games with ryder by 2030. I think seeing ryder fight the kett would be a good storyline so in my opinion they should continue that. As much as I would like a new series of ME games with shepard I think it would be impossible to do more then one more game with him in it since the choices would be too numerous. You're simply not going to get 3 new games by 2030. That's completely unrealistic given Bioware's recent average dev time of 6+ years per game. Therefore, I would like a completion to the Andromeda story before I die. After the Andromeda story is complete (which would probably reveal several connections to Shepard's OT story), then we could see a grand game in both galaxies that ties the whole thing together and bring the franchise to a final glorious and definitive conclusion by 2040 - Though, I'll almost certainly be long dead and many of you will probably be too old to care by then. If not 3 new game by 2030, would you like to see one new game and either novels or comics for additional story? Or a new game and a lengthy DLC? What connections to previous games would you like to see in future installments?
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Post by scifiguy53425 on Mar 3, 2020 13:47:14 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by events but I would be really happy to see another game with shepard and them make at least two more games with ryder by 2030. I think seeing ryder fight the kett would be a good storyline so in my opinion they should continue that. As much as I would like a new series of ME games with shepard I think it would be impossible to do more then one more game with him in it since the choices would be too numerous. I also want to play as Shepard in a new game before the decade is done. One would be enough for me as long as it was dramatically satisfying, maybe more focused on Shepard himself than any galactic threats. How would you want Shepard to return?
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Post by scifiguy53425 on Mar 3, 2020 13:59:42 GMT
Isn't this a duplicate of this thread? Or am I missing something? It seems you're asking the same thing. Not really, no. What we'd like and what we expect are not always the same thing. OT: What I'd like is for BioWare to be... BioWare again. In my mind, the ideal looks sort of like this: - They focus on what they do best, what many of us have always appreciated them for: story, lore, world-building, and character (in no particular order)
- They continue the party-based focus, providing well-developed followers with their own character arcs.
- While "live service" components or MP may be included, the goal is to provide complete, repeatable SP experiences.
- They use whatever engine best suits the game they want to deliver instead of being committed to a mandate to use Frostbite.
- They solve their management issues in a way that provides the creative folks clear, consistent, achievable goals and deadlines.
- I also think they have enough bandwidth to deliver games more often - they certainly have in the past - if they could solve their leadership and management issues. It'd be nice if their efforts in other arenas didn't impact IPs in progress, such as what Anthem (and perhaps MEA to some degree) did to the pre-prod work on DA4 underway at the time.
My preference is MEA2 with Ryder and crew. I don't know that I'd be interested in any other possibilities, but would take a look and decide based on whatever information is available. I'd prefer no further ties to TMW, as the potential there was fully exploited and subsequently wrecked by the trilogy. I somewhat agree with you on more stable management, but honestly I can't make heads or tails of what's going on inside there at the moment.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 3, 2020 15:12:52 GMT
"Fill out this questionnaire about fun."
I give a wet, damp nothing about the "property". It can kiss my rear. I'm looking for decent scifi story RPGs, but I don't necessarily need blue chicks and biennal revivifications of hero characters so they can rid some place of galactic genocide murderhobos.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 15:49:27 GMT
You're simply not going to get 3 new games by 2030. That's completely unrealistic given Bioware's recent average dev time of 6+ years per game. Therefore, I would like a completion to the Andromeda story before I die. After the Andromeda story is complete (which would probably reveal several connections to Shepard's OT story), then we could see a grand game in both galaxies that ties the whole thing together and bring the franchise to a final glorious and definitive conclusion by 2040 - Though, I'll almost certainly be long dead and many of you will probably be too old to care by then. If not 3 new game by 2030, would you like to see one new game and either novels or comics for additional story? Or a new game and a lengthy DLC? What connections to previous games would you like to see in future installments? I would love 3 new games... but it's just not a reasonable expectation given dev times of over 6 years per game (which is pretty much Bioware's average).
I think Bioware designed the Andromeda story to eventually connect with the Milky Way one... possibly that the Jaardan and Leviathan are the same species, the Jaardan having escaped the Reapers much like the AI did. I don't have a particular "want" as far as what connections I would like to see. I have a strong aversion to the Destroy ending of ME3 becoming canon; but barring that I'm pretty flexible and hoping to eventually see what Bioware envisioned themselves for Andromeda's complete story when they created ME:A in the first place.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 3, 2020 15:57:12 GMT
I just want BioWare to go into a bunker and not make games according to what the internet says they need to have or include and just make a game like its the first of a franchise. That is where BioWare normally stumbles for me is that they seem to be dedicated to trying to make everyone happy by doing a lot of things that others claim will improve the game. Making their games swing like pendulums with always being extremes.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 3, 2020 16:24:03 GMT
I just want BioWare to go into a bunker and not make games according to what the internet says they need to have or include and just make a game like its the first of a franchise. That is where BioWare normally stumbles for me is that they seem to be dedicated to trying to make everyone happy by doing a lot of things that others claim will improve the game. Making their games swing like pendulums with always being extremes. I feel this accounts for the lack of an "evolutionary" feel of the franchise. Gunplay in the MET was greatly improved, but map and mob design felt less natural at the same time. This was particularly egregious in Mass Effect 2, where battle arenas felt so intensely artificial that it sometimes took me out of the game. Things were just too obvious and constrained.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 3, 2020 17:32:55 GMT
I want new games with good gameplay and a great story.
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Post by urkibalurki on Mar 3, 2020 17:43:09 GMT
Not really, no. What we'd like and what we expect are not always the same thing. OT: What I'd like is for BioWare to be... BioWare again. In my mind, the ideal looks sort of like this: - They focus on what they do best, what many of us have always appreciated them for: story, lore, world-building, and character (in no particular order)
- They continue the party-based focus, providing well-developed followers with their own character arcs.
- While "live service" components or MP may be included, the goal is to provide complete, repeatable SP experiences.
- They use whatever engine best suits the game they want to deliver instead of being committed to a mandate to use Frostbite.
- They solve their management issues in a way that provides the creative folks clear, consistent, achievable goals and deadlines.
- I also think they have enough bandwidth to deliver games more often - they certainly have in the past - if they could solve their leadership and management issues. It'd be nice if their efforts in other arenas didn't impact IPs in progress, such as what Anthem (and perhaps MEA to some degree) did to the pre-prod work on DA4 underway at the time.
My preference is MEA2 with Ryder and crew. I don't know that I'd be interested in any other possibilities, but would take a look and decide based on whatever information is available. I'd prefer no further ties to TMW, as the potential there was fully exploited and subsequently wrecked by the trilogy. Isn't this wishful thinking? Oh, well, I'm good at wishful thinking as well, and for the most part I agree with you; but: - No, they shouldn't include multiplayer at all. ME games are supposed to be single player only. MP in ME3 was too mandatory (but I always refused to play it; I mangled my savegames to get the resources I needed) and in MEA fully useless.
- They could use another engine if they weren't under EA; until they become independent (and they never will ) they'll stick with Frostbyte.
They really should make MEA2. They left too many cliff hangers in MEA; they have to give them closure.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 3, 2020 23:14:04 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by events but I would be really happy to see another game with shepard and them make at least two more games with ryder by 2030. I think seeing ryder fight the kett would be a good storyline so in my opinion they should continue that. As much as I would like a new series of ME games with shepard I think it would be impossible to do more then one more game with him in it since the choices would be too numerous. You're simply not going to get 3 new games by 2030. That's completely unrealistic given Bioware's recent average dev time of 6+ years per game. Therefore, I would like a completion to the Andromeda story before I die. After the Andromeda story is complete (which would probably reveal several connections to Shepard's OT story), then we could see a grand game in both galaxies that ties the whole thing together and bring the franchise to a final glorious and definitive conclusion by 2040 - Though, I'll almost certainly be long dead and many of you will probably be too old to care by then. Do you just go through my posts to respond with a putdown telling me I am completely unrealistic and stupid or something similar to that. You have done it several times and it is annoying. The OP asked what do you WANT to see. I didn't say I expected it. But since you want to call me out the entire mass effect trilogy took less then a decade (ME1 was in 2007,ME2 was released in2010,ME3 was released in 2012. So even if you factor in development time they made the trilogy in less then a decade. During that time Bioware also made DAO and DA2 and the crazy amount of dlc that went with them. Oh but if you want to get technical then if you factor in that bioware released mass effect in 2007 and released Mass effect andromeda in 2017 then they made four mass effect games in a decade. Yeah ME1 was started before 2007 but even if you count the whole development time for ME1 you still get ME1,ME2,ME3,DAO,DA2,DAI,and the ridiculous amount of dlc for all of them (Except ME1 which only had a little) in less then a decade.
So in a decade bioware released ME1,DAO,ME2,DA2,ME3,DAI,and MEA. So if bioware made seven games in a decade your telling me that WANTING not demanding or expecting three games is so unrealistic.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 3, 2020 23:20:16 GMT
Not quite sure what you mean by events but I would be really happy to see another game with shepard and them make at least two more games with ryder by 2030. I think seeing ryder fight the kett would be a good storyline so in my opinion they should continue that. As much as I would like a new series of ME games with shepard I think it would be impossible to do more then one more game with him in it since the choices would be too numerous. I also want to play as Shepard in a new game before the decade is done. One would be enough for me as long as it was dramatically satisfying, maybe more focused on Shepard himself than any galactic threats. How would you want Shepard to return? Honestly I just want to have one more game with shepard and some of his crew. I see the levitheans being a problem since the galaxy is in ruins. Also I might be wrong (been a long time since I played that dlc) but didn't the levitheans get around the galaxy before the mass relays were built. If they can then they have a serious advantage over everyone else if you chose destroy (which is the only way shepard could be in the next game) since the relays are damaged.
Just one more game since after that it would be impossible to factor in even half of our choices.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 23:45:28 GMT
You're simply not going to get 3 new games by 2030. That's completely unrealistic given Bioware's recent average dev time of 6+ years per game. Therefore, I would like a completion to the Andromeda story before I die. After the Andromeda story is complete (which would probably reveal several connections to Shepard's OT story), then we could see a grand game in both galaxies that ties the whole thing together and bring the franchise to a final glorious and definitive conclusion by 2040 - Though, I'll almost certainly be long dead and many of you will probably be too old to care by then. Do you just go through my posts to respond with a putdown telling me I am completely unrealistic and stupid or something similar to that. You have done it several times and it is annoying. The OP asked what do you WANT to see. I didn't say I expected it. But since you want to call me out the entire mass effect trilogy took less then a decade (ME1 was in 2007,ME2 was released in2010,ME3 was released in 2012. So even if you factor in development time they made the trilogy in less then a decade. During that time Bioware also made DAO and DA2 and the crazy amount of dlc that went with them. Oh but if you want to get technical then if you factor in that bioware released mass effect in 2007 and released Mass effect andromeda in 2017 then they made four mass effect games in a decade. Yeah ME1 was started before 2007 but even if you count the whole development time for ME1 you still get ME1,ME2,ME3,DAO,DA2,DAI,and the ridiculous amount of dlc for all of them (Except ME1 which only had a little) in less then a decade.
So in a decade bioware released ME1,DAO,ME2,DA2,ME3,DAI,and MEA. So if bioware made seven games in a decade your telling me that WANTING not demanding or expecting three games is so unrealistic.
DAI came out in 2014 and DA4 is now set back to 2022 (8 years). With ME:A coming out in 2017 and Anthem coming out in 2019... so you tell me again... Is 3 more ME games by 2030 even remotely realistic? Are you set on having them totally shut down production on Dragon Age? I don't see how my comment is a "putdown." You can want it. I'd love it too... but it still is not realistic. If they kept up with the MET schedule, the first of your requested new ME games would have released in 2019 and the next would be already scheduled to release in 2022 (instead of just DA4 being scheduled for release in that year) and then the 3rd of your requested games could be released in 2027. Instead, we're in 2020 and no concrete sign of a new ME game ready for release and the first of your 3 requested games probably won't release until after DA4 at the very least. So, say we place that one at 2024, the next in the same time as ME2 in 2026, and the third on schedule with ME3's "rushed" timing... at 2032 at the earliest.
We're not going to get what we want on that... and I'm not wanting to wait for them to diddle around with another Shepard garme before I see a completion to Andromeda. I want them to complete Andromeda first... then, if they want, produce another Shepard game... in 2040 (which is a more realistic timetable given their current pace of releasing games). If they put finishing Andromeda after a Shepard game, I'll be dead long before it releases.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 4, 2020 15:08:46 GMT
Do you just go through my posts to respond with a putdown telling me I am completely unrealistic and stupid or something similar to that. You have done it several times and it is annoying. The OP asked what do you WANT to see. I didn't say I expected it. But since you want to call me out the entire mass effect trilogy took less then a decade (ME1 was in 2007,ME2 was released in2010,ME3 was released in 2012. So even if you factor in development time they made the trilogy in less then a decade. During that time Bioware also made DAO and DA2 and the crazy amount of dlc that went with them. Oh but if you want to get technical then if you factor in that bioware released mass effect in 2007 and released Mass effect andromeda in 2017 then they made four mass effect games in a decade. Yeah ME1 was started before 2007 but even if you count the whole development time for ME1 you still get ME1,ME2,ME3,DAO,DA2,DAI,and the ridiculous amount of dlc for all of them (Except ME1 which only had a little) in less then a decade.
So in a decade bioware released ME1,DAO,ME2,DA2,ME3,DAI,and MEA. So if bioware made seven games in a decade your telling me that WANTING not demanding or expecting three games is so unrealistic.
DAI came out in 2014 and DA4 is now set back to 2022 (8 years). With ME:A coming out in 2017 and Anthem coming out in 2019... so you tell me again... Is 3 more ME games by 2030 even remotely realistic? Are you set on having them totally shut down production on Dragon Age? I don't see how my comment is a "putdown." You can want it. I'd love it too... but it still is not realistic. If they kept up with the MET schedule, the first of your requested new ME games would have released in 2019 and the next would be already scheduled to release in 2022 (instead of just DA4 being scheduled for release in that year) and then the 3rd of your requested games could be released in 2027. Instead, we're in 2020 and no concrete sign of a new ME game ready for release and the first of your 3 requested games probably won't release until after DA4 at the very least. So, say we place that one at 2024, the next in the same time as ME2 in 2026, and the third on schedule with ME3's "rushed" timing... at 2032 at the earliest.
We're not going to get what we want on that... and I'm not wanting to wait for them to diddle around with another Shepard garme before I see a completion to Andromeda. I want them to complete Andromeda first... then, if they want, produce another Shepard game... in 2040 (which is a more realistic timetable given their current pace of releasing games). If they put finishing Andromeda after a Shepard game, I'll be dead long before it releases.
And really, even if they could pump them out this frequently, do we truly want that to happen? Maybe this is my namby-pamby sensibilities kicking in, but straining the dev team to just produce all of this stuff in a short period of time just cannot be good for either quality of life or quality of the product.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 15:22:48 GMT
DAI came out in 2014 and DA4 is now set back to 2022 (8 years). With ME:A coming out in 2017 and Anthem coming out in 2019... so you tell me again... Is 3 more ME games by 2030 even remotely realistic? Are you set on having them totally shut down production on Dragon Age? I don't see how my comment is a "putdown." You can want it. I'd love it too... but it still is not realistic. If they kept up with the MET schedule, the first of your requested new ME games would have released in 2019 and the next would be already scheduled to release in 2022 (instead of just DA4 being scheduled for release in that year) and then the 3rd of your requested games could be released in 2027. Instead, we're in 2020 and no concrete sign of a new ME game ready for release and the first of your 3 requested games probably won't release until after DA4 at the very least. So, say we place that one at 2024, the next in the same time as ME2 in 2026, and the third on schedule with ME3's "rushed" timing... at 2032 at the earliest.
We're not going to get what we want on that... and I'm not wanting to wait for them to diddle around with another Shepard garme before I see a completion to Andromeda. I want them to complete Andromeda first... then, if they want, produce another Shepard game... in 2040 (which is a more realistic timetable given their current pace of releasing games). If they put finishing Andromeda after a Shepard game, I'll be dead long before it releases.
And really, even if they could pump them out this frequently, do we truly want that to happen? Maybe this is my namby-pamby sensibilities kicking in, but straining the dev team to just produce all of this stuff in a short period of time just cannot be good for either quality of life or quality of the product. I couldn't agree more. I'd love to see new games produced every year, but I think the experiences of the past 10 years show that it isn't a good thing when it comes to Bioware's genre of games... and the games themselves have gotten a lot bigger and more complex overall. Of courage, Bioware has to stop effectively wasting years of dev time by not recognizing roadblocks (like procedural generation) early on and then having to essentially recreate their games from the ground up within the last 18 months of development. They have to put more forethought into the plans for their games so that they can proceed essentially as planned with fewer hitches causing years of work to get discarded.
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