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Post by scifiguy53425 on Mar 2, 2020 8:21:28 GMT
What is your prediction for what will happen in relation to the Mass Effect franchise in the coming decade? What do you realistically think will become of this property in the next 10 years? Is the future of this series hopeful? Or is it DOOMED!?
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 2, 2020 16:32:58 GMT
I think there is a good chance EA will try one more game. It may star Shepard again. I think a new game is going to try and be closer to Mass Effect 2 than any other game in the franchise. EA will be attempting to play it safe to revitalize the IP so they can make more money with it in the future. If this new game does get made and it fails then I expect Mass Effect is gone for good.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 2, 2020 17:53:53 GMT
I'd say let it die with whatever self respect the Mass Effect franchise has left.
But that's just my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 18:07:28 GMT
Bioware is continuing to double down on revamping Anthem... a game that failed far worse than Andromeda ever did. As time goes on, it seems to me Bioware is in a do or die situation with Anthem; that is, if they don't somehow turn Anthem into a success within whatever timeframe EA has given them to turn it around, they won't even get a chance to produce DA4; let alone another new Mass Effect in either galaxy.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 2, 2020 20:27:34 GMT
Bioware is continuing to double down on revamping Anthem... a game that failed far worse than Andromeda ever did. As time goes on, it seems to me Bioware is in a do or die situation with Anthem; that is, if they don't somehow turn Anthem into a success within whatever timeframe EA has given them to turn it around, they won't even get a chance to produce DA4; let alone another new Mass Effect in either galaxy. They are currently working on DA4 already though. In fact, I'd say DA4 has more relevance to the future of Bioware than Anthem does at this point. Anthem was a new IP that deviated from the formula and just did not connect to the audience like EA/Bioware had hoped. DA4 will not have the built in excuse "yeah, well it tried something different!". If DA4 performs poorly, then I can see EA shuttering Bioware.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 20:44:34 GMT
Bioware is continuing to double down on revamping Anthem... a game that failed far worse than Andromeda ever did. As time goes on, it seems to me Bioware is in a do or die situation with Anthem; that is, if they don't somehow turn Anthem into a success within whatever timeframe EA has given them to turn it around, they won't even get a chance to produce DA4; let alone another new Mass Effect in either galaxy. They are currently working on DA4 already though. In fact, I'd say DA4 has more relevance to the future of Bioware than Anthem does at this point. Anthem was a new IP that deviated from the formula and just did not connect to the audience like EA/Bioware had hoped. DA4 will not have the built in excuse "yeah, well it tried something different!". If DA4 performs poorly, then I can see EA shuttering Bioware. Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be largely an online, MP game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 2, 2020 20:51:27 GMT
They are currently working on DA4 already though. In fact, I'd say DA4 has more relevance to the future of Bioware than Anthem does at this point. Anthem was a new IP that deviated from the formula and just did not connect to the audience like EA/Bioware had hoped. DA4 will not have the built in excuse "yeah, well it tried something different!". If DA4 performs poorly, then I can see EA shuttering Bioware. Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be large an online, MP game. Didnt BioWare already say DA and ME games wouldn’t be like Anthem but instead still be how they were before?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 20:57:32 GMT
Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be large an online, MP game. Didnt BioWare already say DA and ME games wouldn’t be like Anthem but instead still be how they were before? I think they said something vague about "going back to their routes," but I don;t think there has been anything definitive said about it. If there has, then perhaps someone will provide an actual quote because I don't recall anything myself.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 2, 2020 21:00:47 GMT
They are currently working on DA4 already though. In fact, I'd say DA4 has more relevance to the future of Bioware than Anthem does at this point. Anthem was a new IP that deviated from the formula and just did not connect to the audience like EA/Bioware had hoped. DA4 will not have the built in excuse "yeah, well it tried something different!". If DA4 performs poorly, then I can see EA shuttering Bioware. Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be largely an online, MP game. Anthem is being redone because EA has seen multiple online games come out to horrible receptions and be turned around over the years. Destiny 1 and 2, The Division 1 and 2, Breakpoint, and No Man's Sky are all games that struggled at first but were slowly made (or being made) into games that are generally considered pretty damn good now. Seeing that, if corrected, Anthem can be a cash cow, why wouldn't EA attempt to fix it? The incentive is the cash flow it can create, not the possible failure and closure of Bioware. And they've said multiple times that DA4 will not be like Anthem or online. They've said they'll have live service elements and the definition they provided basically was DLC.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 2, 2020 21:06:59 GMT
Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be largely an online, MP game. Anthem is being redone because EA has seen multiple online games come out to horrible receptions and be turned around over the years. Destiny 1 and 2, The Division 1 and 2, Breakpoint, and No Man's Sky are all games that struggled at first but were slowly made (or being made) into games that are generally considered pretty damn good now. Seeing that, if corrected, Anthem can be a cash cow, why wouldn't EA attempt to fix it? The incentive is the cash flow it can create, not the possible failure and closure of Bioware. And they've said multiple times that DA4 will not be like Anthem or online. They've said they'll have live service elements and the definition they provided basically was DLC. Just look at Battlefront 2. It got huge backlash when it came out but thanks to them sticking with it and adding so much stuff it’s now a very much beloved game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 21:20:08 GMT
Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be largely an online, MP game. Anthem is being redone because EA has seen multiple online games come out to horrible receptions and be turned around over the years. Destiny 1 and 2, The Division 1 and 2, Breakpoint, and No Man's Sky are all games that struggled at first but were slowly made (or being made) into games that are generally considered pretty damn good now. Seeing that, if corrected, Anthem can be a cash cow, why wouldn't EA attempt to fix it? The incentive is the cash flow it can create, not the possible failure and closure of Bioware. And they've said multiple times that DA4 will not be like Anthem or online. They've said they'll have live service elements and the definition they provided basically was DLC. It's still my prediction; and I'm sticking with it. The thing with predictions is they'll eventually either be proven right or proven wrong. Until something is proven, it really doesn't matter. You're certainly entitled to predict differently... so, go ahead and make yours.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 2, 2020 21:31:03 GMT
They are currently working on DA4 already though. In fact, I'd say DA4 has more relevance to the future of Bioware than Anthem does at this point. Anthem was a new IP that deviated from the formula and just did not connect to the audience like EA/Bioware had hoped. DA4 will not have the built in excuse "yeah, well it tried something different!". If DA4 performs poorly, then I can see EA shuttering Bioware. Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be largely an online, MP game. There are other ways reputation can be solidified. It'd be fine with me if Anthem were left to rot while DA4 is built into something that could compete with Witcher, Witcher, Witcher! in terms of sales and stature. It could certainly happen. And then they further polish up MEA a bit, and give it some really excellent DLC to tide us over to MEA2. Were they able to do that, BioWare could absolutely regain their reputation as a premiere SP RPG studio. If Anthem continues to flail in the process, it would just mean that BioWare might not be the best source for looter-shooters. Bethesda did their reputation no favor with their fumbling release of Fallout 76, but I don't know that it damaged their popularity for SP RPGs.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 2, 2020 21:41:09 GMT
Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be largely an online, MP game. There are other ways reputation can be solidified. It'd be fine with me if Anthem were left to rot while DA4 is built into something that could compete with Witcher, Witcher, Witcher! in terms of sales and stature. It could certainly happen. And then they further polish up MEA a bit, and give it some really excellent DLC to tide us over to MEA2. Were they able to do that, BioWare could absolutely regain their reputation as a premiere SP RPG studio. If Anthem continues to flail in the process, it would just mean that BioWare might not be the best source for looter-shooters. Bethesda did their reputation no favor with their fumbling release of Fallout 76, but I don't know that it damaged their popularity for SP RPGs. And if Wasterlanders is any good, Bethesda might face less criticism on the internet for some time. We also have to remember that the internet and its most vocal and even shared opinions don't necessarily reflect the opinion of gamers overall either. From the hate of Fallout 4 on the internet all the way to every poll/discussion showcasing certain Bioware characters as far more popular than they actually are... the internet is just not a great place to form an analytical opinion from in terms of gaming. Christ, CoD is universally despised online and yet it still sells more than most other games.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 2, 2020 21:52:05 GMT
They are currently working on DA4 already though. In fact, I'd say DA4 has more relevance to the future of Bioware than Anthem does at this point. Anthem was a new IP that deviated from the formula and just did not connect to the audience like EA/Bioware had hoped. DA4 will not have the built in excuse "yeah, well it tried something different!". If DA4 performs poorly, then I can see EA shuttering Bioware. Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be largely an online, MP game. If by "largely" that means something that essentially requires a connection to even function, then I'd have to pour a forty out for dear old DA, because it would just be another beloved franchise that would be dead to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 22:01:07 GMT
Just because EA has granted a budget for Bioware to start work on DA4, doesn't mean they'll give them enough of a budget or enough time to finish it. It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to be so adamant about revamping Anthem unless they are feeling some pressure over it. I think EA is providing that pressure. They don't want to risk a DA4 release fiasco because Bioware's reputation is hurting right now. They want Bioware to recoup that reputation first and the only way Bioware can do that right now is to release a successful Anthem 2.0. Then, maybe people will be "kinder" with DA4's release... which may also be largely an online, MP game. If by "largely" that means something that essentially requires a connection to even function, then I'd have to pour a forty out for dear old DA, because it would just be another beloved franchise that would be dead to me. I honestly thought this thread was asking for people to describe their own predictions. All of a sudden, it seems to have become a thread arguing over just mine. I"m not directing this specifically to anyone, but I would encourage people to participate in the thread and just say what your predictions are. I don't have a crystal ball, so my predictions are guess... just like anyone else's. I'm perfectly happy to wait to see what actually happens. Arguing now over whether I'm right or wrong is kind of pointless, don't you think?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 23:11:02 GMT
I see a hopeful future. People have been predicting the death of Bioware for some time now, and they're still here making games. Most of their hate comes from after they teamed up with EA as a publisher. They believe the quality of the games has changed since after the merger.
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Post by GimmeMassEffect on Mar 2, 2020 23:29:36 GMT
My prediction: - Possible trilogy remaster within a year.
This however begs the question, would they pack all 3 Shepard games into 1 Remastered game or due to time limitations and amount of work that would need to be done, they will just remaster the 3rd one, leaving ME1 and ME2 behind.
- In about ~1,5 year we get to hear more tangible gossip about next ME and hints from devs. After that in about a year we get a teaser about next ME. Release date probably around Q1-2 2024. IF the next ME game is successful enough, we get next ME games, simple as that.
Cannot say what games since we don't even know if they stick with Andromeda sequel or do something new again.
Personally I would go with Andromeda sequel, because IMO with good writing this time they could turn this into a very compelling story which could even lead up to answering bigger questions about the universe, not just the Reapers or the current galaxy.
Best way to "fix" Mass Effect future is to make Andromeda 2, then at the epilogue we get connection with The Milky Way and actual contact between galaxies (space magic plot device would be needed here I'm afraid).
This way the devs have an open gate to make future games set either in Andromeda or Milky Way or even both galaxies. And of course lot of people would ask "but what about ME3 endings and devs saying years ago they won't pick canon ending?" I say devs should just f*ck that statement and pick the damn canon ending already, so they don't c*ckblock themselfs from making sequels.
I would suggest Destroy ending as canon since that way we have no more wierd space schrimps or some synthesis abominations to worry about.
We would just have descendants of people from Shepard era who rebuild Milky Way after the Reaper War and lived on until they got communication with Andromeda established centuries later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 0:38:26 GMT
I see a hopeful future. People have been predicting the death of Bioware for some time now, and they're still here making games. To be clear, I'm not predicting Bioware's demise. I'm saying they are under pressure to make Anthem perform.. I think they can turn Anthem around and they'll follow that with a fine game in DA4. After they recoup their reputation and make new fans, I also think they can proceed with ME:A2 and make it into a really great series.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 0:42:50 GMT
My prediction: - Possible trilogy remaster within a year.
This however begs the question, would they pack all 3 Shepard games into 1 Remastered game or due to time limitations and amount of work that would need to be done, they will just remaster the 3rd one, leaving ME1 and ME2 behind. It will be sort of like the ALOT or ALOV mod. High definition textures and movies while keeping the vanilla look and feel to the game. Story is unchanged. They did talk about making a seamless game where you don't have to play each one while importing into the next game. The trilogy might be three games combined together into one big seamless game. Other than that, that's about all that will happen.
To be clear, I'm not predicting Bioware's demise. I'm saying they are under pressure to make Anthem perform.. I think they can turn Anthem around and they'll follow that with a fine game in DA4. After they recoup their reputation and make new fans, I also think they can proceed with ME:A2 and make it into a really great series. They did talk about there being the possibility of future MEA games. Since the ending of the first leaves with a "to be continued" feel to it. When articles claimed that Mass Effect was put on ice, some people thought that MEA and any possible sequels would be canned. I don't think that's the case either. They're just going back to the drawing board on what to do next. As putting something on ice usually means delaying something, not literally putting a heavy object on thin ice and letting it fall through it and sink.
Some people didn't like DA2 (which I never played, but I heard it is worse than the first game), and thought it would be the death of Bioware, but they did manage to come back and make a third game with a fourth installment in the works. I've read their ultimate plan is for five games.
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I would love to see A True ME:A Prequel set in the Milk Way and having a New Player Character(of any stripe) witness Alec Ryder and ME:A NPCs being badass.
for example, witnessing Alec Ryder take out an dangerous Merc squad(new or canon) by himself. or Drack headbutting several Mercs that were members of the same Merc Faction.
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Post by scifiguy53425 on Mar 3, 2020 7:47:47 GMT
I think there is a good chance EA will try one more game. It may star Shepard again. I think a new game is going to try and be closer to Mass Effect 2 than any other game in the franchise. EA will be attempting to play it safe to revitalize the IP so they can make more money with it in the future. If this new game does get made and it fails then I expect Mass Effect is gone for good. The idea of them trying to replicate elements of ME2 or other previous successes, that's an interesting prediction. This may be more likely than a remaster in my opinion. What elements do you think they may try to re-do?
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Post by scifiguy53425 on Mar 3, 2020 9:18:19 GMT
My prediction: - Possible trilogy remaster within a year.
This however begs the question, would they pack all 3 Shepard games into 1 Remastered game or due to time limitations and amount of work that would need to be done, they will just remaster the 3rd one, leaving ME1 and ME2 behind.
- In about ~1,5 year we get to hear more tangible gossip about next ME and hints from devs. After that in about a year we get a teaser about next ME. Release date probably around Q1-2 2024. IF the next ME game is successful enough, we get next ME games, simple as that.
Cannot say what games since we don't even know if they stick with Andromeda sequel or do something new again.
Personally I would go with Andromeda sequel, because IMO with good writing this time they could turn this into a very compelling story which could even lead up to answering bigger questions about the universe, not just the Reapers or the current galaxy.
Best way to "fix" Mass Effect future is to make Andromeda 2, then at the epilogue we get connection with The Milky Way and actual contact between galaxies (space magic plot device would be needed here I'm afraid).
This way the devs have an open gate to make future games set either in Andromeda or Milky Way or even both galaxies. And of course lot of people would ask "but what about ME3 endings and devs saying years ago they won't pick canon ending?" I say devs should just f*ck that statement and pick the damn canon ending already, so they don't c*ckblock themselfs from making sequels.
I would suggest Destroy ending as canon since that way we have no more wierd space schrimps or some synthesis abominations to worry about.
We would just have descendants of people from Shepard era who rebuild Milky Way after the Reaper War and lived on until they got communication with Andromeda established centuries later.
That trilogy remaster would be great for me, but it is difficult to stay hopeful about it happening as I feel like they would have done it already. Do you think your suggestion of an ME3 remaster is more likely than an ME1 remaster, an ME2 remaster or the trilogy as a whole? Perhaps an ME1 remaster with a trilogy remaster to follow later down the road? Could both be done by 2030? Got no problem with space magic myself, but I don't know how likely it is that the galaxies will connect directly. Minor connections like reapers or the Protheans being connected to Andromeda I see as more likely.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 3, 2020 16:42:36 GMT
I think there is a good chance EA will try one more game. It may star Shepard again. I think a new game is going to try and be closer to Mass Effect 2 than any other game in the franchise. EA will be attempting to play it safe to revitalize the IP so they can make more money with it in the future. If this new game does get made and it fails then I expect Mass Effect is gone for good. The idea of them trying to replicate elements of ME2 or other previous successes, that's an interesting prediction. This may be more likely than a remaster in my opinion. What elements do you think they may try to re-do? Well, my reasoning is that ME2 could be described as the height of the franchise. It was immensely popular, well loved, and in its wake the anticipation for a sequel was at a fever pitch. While a few weird people like me have criticized its plot, by and large everybody else felt it was flawless. There was no DLC controversy, there was no ending controversy, there were no major glitches. Everything planned for ME2 went off without a hitch. So, it is natural that with the franchise on such shaky ground now that the best way to try and resurrect it is to go back to ME2 and try to replicate what that game did to get the same effect. As for what they'd emulate... I think the first thing would be ME2's somewhat more-open ended structure with a focus on recruiting many different squadmates, with the plot intervening only periodically. Another vague and mysterious enemy, and another perilous mission to stop them. You might be working for another shadowy person too. If they're really smart, they'll release a bunch of free DLC like ME2 got with it's various pre-order armor pieces, weapons, and of-course Zaeed. This time they'll make sure not to leave substantial DLC materials locked on the disc. ME3's bigger DLC's did relatively well, so I'd expect more like that if the game is a success. I think the Citadel DLC might be a theme they'd push in the game. Something people did like about ME3 was how the squad interacted. Of-course, I would expect this new squad, assuming it has no fan-favorites returning (which it might), will have similar but different characters. Granted, the more I speculate the more off-target I am likely to be. So in the end I just expect they'll look at ME2 and try to figure out what it was about that game that made it so successful and uncontroversial.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 3, 2020 17:13:40 GMT
If by "largely" that means something that essentially requires a connection to even function, then I'd have to pour a forty out for dear old DA, because it would just be another beloved franchise that would be dead to me. I honestly thought this thread was asking for people to describe their own predictions. All of a sudden, it seems to have become a thread arguing over just mine. I"m not directing this specifically to anyone, but I would encourage people to participate in the thread and just say what your predictions are. I don't have a crystal ball, so my predictions are guess... just like anyone else's. I'm perfectly happy to wait to see what actually happens. Arguing now over whether I'm right or wrong is kind of pointless, don't you think? I'm not really arguing here, just voicing my lack of optimism. The AAA gaming scene is just really fraught with bad decisions, and I have a lot of fear over what becomes of Dragon Age in particular.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 3, 2020 17:31:07 GMT
I'm not really arguing here, just voicing my lack of optimism. The AAA gaming scene is just really fraught with bad decisions, and I have a lot of fear over what becomes of Dragon Age in particular. Is it fraught with bad decisions or bad customers? I think a lot of our problems are that games have become a much bigger, more mainstream industry. They appeal to more and more people than they did in the past, and the bigger the audience the easier to exploit. The common denominator gets lower. What you couldn't pitch to games in the 90's or early 2000's you can now, which happens to include a lot of exploitative methods and game designs. Conversely, what you could more easily pitch to gamers in the decades past you can't now because gamers because early gamers were likely of a few select personality types with more niche interests.
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